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For Naturization records in NYC try NARA. Don't have the URL but found complete records on a family members there. They have a form where you order the complete record for a fee. No actual records online. Since you have data on name dates and records numbers it may be very easy to get the file. Good luck. theclown16

Kim, Thank you! The October 1855 index card for Herman Otten is the correct one for my Herman G Otten. Any chance to find the complete naturalization documents online? Greetings Walter > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of kim danielsen > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:18 PM > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] OTTEN > > There are several naturalization index cards for Otten on Footnote.com, > including the following where Herman is a witness for a John Wintjen: > > W532 > Wintjen John > court: Common pleas court, NY County > date of naturaliz:   Dec 8 1863 > Bundle #286 page # [-].  Copy of record # 35.1 > address of naturalized person: 6 Roosevelt St., NYC > Former nationality: English > Witness:  Herman Otten 14 Franklyn St. NYC > > There are 2 index cards for 2 Herman Otten's, one dated 1855, one dated > 1882.  There's also an Otto F. Otten naturalized 1854, very close to > the 1855 date of one of the Hermans... > > I checked familysearch.org and the birth records of a couple of > Herman's kids are listed.  I thought there might be copies of > naturalization docs online but haven't found any so far. > > ...Kim Danielsen > > > --- On Wed, 5/18/11, Dashmom@aol.com <Dashmom@aol.com> wrote: > > > From: Dashmom@aol.com <Dashmom@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] FW: FW: marriage certificate > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 1:23 PM > > > Walter ~ > > I found one indexed as "Harman" Otten in the 1880 census,age  50, with > a > wife Annie age 47, and children Annie,age 21; Mary, age 18;  Emma, age > 12 and > George H.age 9.  He and his wife and their parents were  all listed as > having been born in Hanover. He was listed as a retail grocer. > > Source Citation:  Year: 1880; Census Place: New York City, New  York, > New > York; Roll: 880;  Family History Film: 1254880; Page: 158D; > Enumeration > District: 282 > > Do you think this may be the one? > > Dianne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dianne, yes, that is his family! I do have several more census data, but none provides any hint towards Herman Otten's birth place (just Kingdom / province of Hanover). Greetings from Berlin Walter > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dashmom@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 10:23 PM > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] FW: FW: marriage certificate > > Walter ~ > > I found one indexed as "Harman" Otten in the 1880 census,age 50, with > a > wife Annie age 47, and children Annie,age 21; Mary, age 18; Emma, age > 12 and > George H.age 9. He and his wife and their parents were all listed as > having been born in Hanover. He was listed as a retail grocer. > > Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: New York City, New York, > New > York; Roll: 880; Family History Film: 1254880; Page: 158D; > Enumeration > District: 282 > > Do you think this may be the one? > > Dianne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Here is a transcribed copy of the 1904 Marriage Certificate Groom Sam Cubert Certificate # Bride Ida Walzer 13159/13259 Groom's Address Lenn Cubert 69 Forest Bride's Address Eidy Walzer 200 Eldrigh St Age 23 Age 21 Color Weit Color Weit Single,Widowed or Divorced Single,Widowed or Divorced Occupation For Movelties Maiden Name if a Widow Birthplace Estreil Kadriniti Austria Birthplace Estreih Milinit Austria Father's Name Leib Cubert Father's Name Josef Waltzer Mother's Madien Name Beilie Lreager Mother's Madien Name Sosie Goldsmith Number of Groom's Marriage 200 Eldrigh St Number of Bride's Marriage 200 Eldrigh St Date of Wedding June 25,1904 Place of Wedding Witness Isidor Damant Witness Iain Wichsclblak Issued by NYC Offical Tolel Diamant Address of Offical 300 Broome Street Here is a transcribed copy of the 1905 Marriage Certificate Groom Sam Schussler Certificate # Bride Perl Kummel 24424 Groom's Address 223 East 7th Street Bride's Address 223 East 7th Street Age 26 Age 22 Color White Color White Single,Widowed or Divorced Single Single,Widowed or Divorced Single Occupation Operator Maiden Name is Widow Kummel Birthplace Austria Birthplace Austria Father's Name Taleil Schussler Father's Name Usher Kummel Mother's Madien Name Sprinze Herzfeld Mother's Madien Name Yetta Kummell Number of Groom's Marriage 1st Number of Bride's Marriage 1st Date of Wedding November 11,1905 Place of Wedding 86 Attorney Street New York, NY Witness Leib Kleiss Witness Alter Ferber Issued by NYC Dept of Helath Offical Rev Issac Ide Address of Offical Independent Order Shabath Isreal David and Carole Annenberg New York City USA www.davidandcarole.info From: Rdpiet@aol.com [mailto:Rdpiet@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:52 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: cdfamily@davidandcarole.info Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] marriage certificate What does it say ?? Where is the list ?? What is the mothers mauden name ?? A 1904 list the place they came from in addition to the maiden names of the mother. A 1905 lists the country and only 1 maiden name of 1 of the mothers

Hi Bob, I do have his death certificate. Unfortunately it doesn't give any details of his birth place. What am I looking for: where Herman G. Otten came from and who were his parents? Greetings Walter -----Original Message----- From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rdpiet@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:02 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] FW: FW: marriage certificate Your first posting asked if a marriage record would contain parents place of origin. Now you are positing about a Herman Otten born ca 18229. Looks like he passed in 1891 Otten Herman G 61 y May 8 1891 16437 (1891) Manhattan 1829 - 1830 1446991 You need to order his death certificate, unfortunately I have not found yet the immigration date of Herman G Otten born (calculated from cemetery data) in 1829 in Germany, nor do I have found his emigration data from Germany. Due to the area I expect him to come from (close to Bremen), I would presume, he emigrated thru Bremen port. First trace from him in the US is from 1855. What are you looking for ?? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What does it say ?? Where is the list ?? What is the mothers mauden name ?? A 1904 list the place they came from in addition to the maiden names of the mother. A 1905 lists the country and only 1 maiden name of 1 of the mothers

A 1904 list the place they came from in addition to the maiden names of the mother. A 1905 lists the country and only 1 maiden name of 1 of the mothers David and Carole Annenberg New York City USA www.davidandcarole.info -----Original Message----- From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Walter Wintjen Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:58 AM To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] marriage certificate Hi everybody, What level of detail may I expect in a marriage certificate from 1909 Manhattan? Would it show the bride's parents name and exact birth place (not just e.g. Germany)? Any other idea regarding to find her father's birth place? I do have his death certificate and it just states as a birth place "Germany". Greetings from Berlin Walter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robert, unfortunately I have not found yet the immigration date of Herman G Otten born (calculated from cemetery data) in 1829 in Germany, nor do I have found his emigration data from Germany. Due to the area I expect him to come from (close to Bremen), I would presume, he emigrated thru Bremen port. First trace from him in the US is from 1855. Greetings from Berlin Walter > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert B > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:48 PM > To: NYC Genealogy > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] FW: marriage certificate > > > Don't know if you've tried this but I was able to find my German > ancestors from the emmigration records in Germany. > If you know when they came to the US, have someone in Germany check > emmogration because the home town is often listed. > If I recall, there is a series of volumes of German immigrants to the > USA. There are a number of University libraries that have complete > sets. > It worked for me. > > > From: Walter.Wintjen@gmx.de > > To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:44:34 +0200 > > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] FW: marriage certificate > > > > Bob, Gail and Gabriele, > > thank you so much for your feedback re my questions! > > Walter > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots- > > > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Walter Wintjen > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:58 PM > > > To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] marriage certificate > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > What level of detail may I expect in a marriage certificate from > 1909 > > > Manhattan? > > > Would it show the bride's parents name and exact birth place (not > just > > > e.g. > > > Germany)? > > > > > > Any other idea regarding to find her father's birth place? I do > have > > > his > > > death certificate and it just states as a birth place "Germany". > > > Greetings from Berlin > > > Walter > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS- > > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Bob, Gail and Gabriele, thank you so much for your feedback re my questions! Walter > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Walter Wintjen > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:58 PM > To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] marriage certificate > > Hi everybody, > What level of detail may I expect in a marriage certificate from 1909 > Manhattan? > Would it show the bride's parents name and exact birth place (not just > e.g. > Germany)? > > Any other idea regarding to find her father's birth place? I do have > his > death certificate and it just states as a birth place "Germany". > Greetings from Berlin > Walter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

seems like all that has to be done is get one birth cert for his kids such as George which will give the mothers maiden name. Since both Herman and his wife are from Hanover getting Herman's wife maiden name would get him that much closer to finding point of origin for Herman and his wife........ I checked familysearch.org and the birth records of a couple of Herman's kids are listed. I thought there might be copies of naturalization docs online but haven't found any so far.

Walter ~ I found one indexed as "Harman" Otten in the 1880 census,age 50, with a wife Annie age 47, and children Annie,age 21; Mary, age 18; Emma, age 12 and George H.age 9. He and his wife and their parents were all listed as having been born in Hanover. He was listed as a retail grocer. Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: New York City, New York, New York; Roll: 880; Family History Film: 1254880; Page: 158D; Enumeration District: 282 Do you think this may be the one? Dianne

Or find the naturalization docs. One of my German ancestors was naturalized in 1855 and papers showed arrival date and general place of origin. From arrival date u can search passenger lists online...which may give more info on origin plus who he was traveling with. ...Kim Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Rdpiet@aol.com wrote: > seems like all that has to be done is get one birth cert for > his kids such as George which will give the mothers maiden > name. Since both Herman and his wife are from Hanover getting > Herman's wife maiden name would get him that much closer to finding > point of origin for Herman and his wife........ > > I checked familysearch.org and the birth records of a couple of Herman's > kids are listed. I thought there might be copies of naturalization docs > online but haven't found any so far. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gail, Driving from Bay Shore to the Queens Borough Public Library's main branch would be a better option, in my opinion, than taking the LIRR to Jamaica and either taking a bus or walking. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY </HTML>

There are several naturalization index cards for Otten on Footnote.com, including the following where Herman is a witness for a John Wintjen: W532 Wintjen John court: Common pleas court, NY County date of naturaliz:   Dec 8 1863 Bundle #286 page # [-].  Copy of record # 35.1 address of naturalized person: 6 Roosevelt St., NYC Former nationality: English Witness:  Herman Otten 14 Franklyn St. NYC   There are 2 index cards for 2 Herman Otten's, one dated 1855, one dated 1882.  There's also an Otto F. Otten naturalized 1854, very close to the 1855 date of one of the Hermans...   I checked familysearch.org and the birth records of a couple of Herman's kids are listed.  I thought there might be copies of naturalization docs online but haven't found any so far.   ...Kim Danielsen   --- On Wed, 5/18/11, Dashmom@aol.com <Dashmom@aol.com> wrote: From: Dashmom@aol.com <Dashmom@aol.com> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] FW: FW: marriage certificate To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 1:23 PM Walter ~ I found one indexed as "Harman" Otten in the 1880 census,age  50, with a wife Annie age 47, and children Annie,age 21; Mary, age 18;  Emma, age 12 and George H.age 9.  He and his wife and their parents were  all listed as having been born in Hanover. He was listed as a retail grocer. Source Citation:  Year: 1880; Census Place: New York City, New  York, New York; Roll: 880;  Family History Film: 1254880; Page: 158D;  Enumeration District: 282  Do you think this may be the one? Dianne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Your first posting asked if a marriage record would contain parents place of origin. Now you are positing about a Herman Otten born ca 18229. Looks like he passed in 1891 Otten Herman G 61 y May 8 1891 16437 (1891) Manhattan 1829 - 1830 1446991 You need to order his death certificate, unfortunately I have not found yet the immigration date of Herman G Otten born (calculated from cemetery data) in 1829 in Germany, nor do I have found his emigration data from Germany. Due to the area I expect him to come from (close to Bremen), I would presume, he emigrated thru Bremen port. First trace from him in the US is from 1855. What are you looking for ??

Don't know if you've tried this but I was able to find my German ancestors from the emmigration records in Germany. If you know when they came to the US, have someone in Germany check emmogration because the home town is often listed. If I recall, there is a series of volumes of German immigrants to the USA. There are a number of University libraries that have complete sets. It worked for me. > From: Walter.Wintjen@gmx.de > To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:44:34 +0200 > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] FW: marriage certificate > > Bob, Gail and Gabriele, > thank you so much for your feedback re my questions! > Walter > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots- > > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Walter Wintjen > > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:58 PM > > To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] marriage certificate > > > > Hi everybody, > > What level of detail may I expect in a marriage certificate from 1909 > > Manhattan? > > Would it show the bride's parents name and exact birth place (not just > > e.g. > > Germany)? > > > > Any other idea regarding to find her father's birth place? I do have > > his > > death certificate and it just states as a birth place "Germany". > > Greetings from Berlin > > Walter > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Don for your thoughtful questions. Yes, I do want to know the circumstances because there were varying stories in the newspaper and my mother told me an entirely different story. The father of these children was killed in an auto accident almost exactly two years after the first child died. He fell off the back of a truck while working for the NYPD. There were many moves between the time of the children's deaths and the time of the father's death 2 years later but there were many moves prior to the deaths also. Veronica > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 20:34:54 -0400 > From: "Don Krieger" <akadonnew@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Bronx District Attorney Files > To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <11F74C95DB3545B498A0641544175688@e4610fe2cc97b1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Hi Veronica, > > This is one of those things where the first question you need to ask > yourself is do you really want to know? > > If so, I see 2 potential avenues of investigation. The first is obvious > legal one. What are the legal steps which might have been taken and which > if any would have been recorded. For instance, perhaps there might have > been a coroner's hearing which would have left a public record. You could > contact a criminal attorney with a New York license to ask a few questions. > Or if that proved too expensive, you could contact someone teaching in one > of the law schools in the state and put your questions to them. > > The 2nd avenue is to find out what happened to the remaining members of the > household afterward. This is likely something on which you already have a > start. But from this point of view I would look for signs of emotional > distress, for example lots of divorces, psychiatric hospitalization or > criminal activity. > > > Don > > Don Krieger - Pittsburgh, PA > http://www.DonsList.Net - Always fast. Always free. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Veronica Malmberg > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:08 PM > To: NYC-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Bronx District Attorney Files > > In 1921 three young siblings of my father died within a few days of each > other of acute gastroenteritis. The Medical Examiner report says the case > was referred to the District Attorney. The family lived in The Bronx. I > have the ME report, death certificates, and several newspaper reports. I am > wondering if there is any way to find out if the DA acted on the case and if > there is a file somewhere. All suggestions as to how I might proceed are > welcome. > Thanks, > Veronica > >

Can anyone who has been to the Queens Borough Public Library tell me the best, safest way to travel to the library to do research? The 2 options I am considering are car or train. I was not sure how close the station is to the library. Would I walk, take a subway or cab? I am staying at my Mom's in Bay Shore, LI, NY. Gail