Hi all, I know about the history of the "Court of Common Pleas." What I would like to know is, where was it located? The street name or names if the address is unknown. Thanks, Bobbi

Thanks, I finally found my grandfather in the 1880 US census in Brooklyn NY and in the 1892 New York census in Queens NY. Jerry On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:42 AM, knowltonew@earthlink.net wrote: > > Remember that the 1880 census was transcribed by the Mormons at least as > far back as the 1990s and is still available free on their website > > familysearch.or > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You have probably done this, but have you looked at the earlier censuses and the city directories? I see Margaret listed in the 1840 and 1830 census, in 8th ward in at least one of them. In 1820 there are very few Varicks, but one is named Rulef or perhaps Ralph. Maybe the name on the death cert is a mistake, someone confusing this long ago dead man with the more famous mayor. The city directories should list him and his occupation. When he disappears and Margaret appears (as widow) that will give you an approximate death year. I have noticed that back then Margaret was a more Scots form and Margorie or Marjorie a more English form--a generalization, of course. Track JJ Varick in the city directories too. There may be one year when he and Margaret live in same place or close. >To begin: I am 99% sure this Varick family has no connection to the family of Richard Varick, mayor of NYC. I would like to prove that Margaret Varick in NYC Census is the mother of John James Varick. On his death certificate his parents are listed at Richard Varick and Marjorie Foster. I have been researching this family since the late 1960s. John James Varick's mother indentured him to William Hesketh, Blacksmith, November 20, 1838 (original document). 1850 census, 8th Ward John James Varick age 28, blacksmith, is listed with wife Elizabeth and 4 children. 1850 census, 9th Ward Margaret Varick, 66, is head of the household and is listed as 'idiotic' In her household is Phineas Varick, 37, 'idiotic', Elizabeth Varick 35, Joseph Varick 38 and Samuel BENNET 38 By 1860, John James Varick had relocated to Jersey City, NJ. I cannot find him in the 1860 census but did find where he purchases a cemetery lot in Speer Cemetery, Jersey City, NJ August 2, 1858 (original document). 1860 census 9th Ward, Div 4,New York City BENNETT, Samuel 53 BENNETT, Elizabeth 48 'blind' VARICK Phineas 45 VARICK, Joseph 44 I have not been able to find any further information concerning Margaret, Phineas nor Joseph VARICK Elizabeth VARICK BENNETT died December 21, 1876 in NYC. I sent for her death certificate hoping to find her parents' names. Unfortunately that was a year in which NYC death certificates did not require the names of the parents - only their places of birth. Further it said she was buried in "New York Bay". It took a while for me to discover she is buried in New York Bay Cemetery, Jersey City, NJ. For those of you who have waded through this very lengthy query, I thank you. And if you have any suggestions what I should do next, I would appreciate hearing from you. Floreda

Remember that the 1880 census was transcribed by the Mormons at least as far back as the 1990s and is still available free on their website familysearch.or

Hi Floreda There's also the possibility that the "idiotic" family member died between 1860 and 1870. Some genetic conditions such as Huntington's disease or Prader-Willi syndrome cause severe mental retardation and individuals with the condition typically die young. If he had, in fact, been committed, it would be difficult to determine when and where, as there were many sanatoriums and asylums that closed and/or never kept formal records about what happened to their patients. (For example, I know of several private institutions in New England that were shut down by government in the early 1900s for abusive and unethical medical practices. Needless to say, no records remained.) On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 4:03 AM, <tallygators@earthlink.net> wrote: > To keep this in perspective: the classifications given on the census was > the > identification given by the census taker, not a medical person. The HOH > was > in all probability some stage of dementia because of the age. From her > absence in the 1860 census it would appear she had died (or been committed) > .The younger idiotic person is a big question mark. I cannot find Phineas > Varick (the younger 'idiotic' person in the 1850 census)in the 1870 census. > Could he have been committed? Big question is: what institution? > Floreda

Hi Bob, You can order copies by mail from NYC Department of Health's Office of Vital Records without having to use an online service. I believe they charge $15 per certificate and $8.50 for mailing costs. Below is the link where you can download the right form to use. On it, you will see the requirements for proper identification listed at the bottom. You might want to include a family group sheet that indicates how you are related to the deceased, along with a statement that you are requesting copies for genealogy purposes or to research family health history (I've found that the latter works quite well when ordering records for relatives other than direct ancestors.) http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/vr/death1.pdf Hope this helps. ~Marlene On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Bob Liddell <spa_bob@yahoo.com> wrote: > I wish to obtain two death certificates from New York City. I need some > guidance in what the process is for doing so. One death certificate would be > for my maternal grandfather. He died in 1957 in Manhattan; the other death > certificate is for a great-aunt who died in 1960 in The Bronx. Can I even > obtain these based on om relationship; what should I use for a reason (i.e. > will I be refused if I use the reason as "genealogy"?); What would be the > cost (there is an on-line service, Archives, which charges a $15 processing > fee on top of a $32 cost for the certificates); and, finally, how do I > obtain the forms?ThanksBob Liddell >

_http://home2.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/vr/vr.shtml_ (http://home2.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/vr/vr.shtml) ********************************************************************* wish to obtain two death certificates from New York City. I need some guidance in what the process is for doing so. One death certificate would be for my maternal grandfather. He died in 1957 in Manhattan; the other death certificate is for a great-aunt who died in 1960 in The Bronx. Can I even obtain these based on om relationship; what should I use for a reason (i.e. will I be refused if I use the reason as "genealogy"?); What would be the cost (there is an on-line service, Archives, which charges a $15 processing fee on top of a $32 cost for the certificates); and, finally, how do I obtain the forms?ThanksBob Liddell

I wish to obtain two death certificates from New York City. I need some guidance in what the process is for doing so. One death certificate would be for my maternal grandfather. He died in 1957 in Manhattan; the other death certificate is for a great-aunt who died in 1960 in The Bronx. Can I even obtain these based on om relationship; what should I use for a reason (i.e. will I be refused if I use the reason as "genealogy"?); What would be the cost (there is an on-line service, Archives, which charges a $15 processing fee on top of a $32 cost for the certificates); and, finally, how do I obtain the forms?ThanksBob Liddell

To keep this in perspective: the classifications given on the census was the identification given by the census taker, not a medical person. The HOH was in all probability some stage of dementia because of the age. From her absence in the 1860 census it would appear she had died (or been committed) .The younger idiotic person is a big question mark. I cannot find Phineas Varick (the younger 'idiotic' person in the 1850 census)in the 1870 census. Could he have been committed? Big question is: what institution? Floreda -----Original Message----- From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bobbi Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 12:07 AM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Varick Hi Julie, It was part of a classification system in use in the late 19th & early 20th centuries. See Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot Disability In 19th and early 20th century medicine and psychology, an "idiot" was a person with a very severe mental retardation. In the early 1900s, Dr. Henry H. Goddard proposed a classification system for mental retardation based on the Binet-Simon concept of mental age. Individuals with the lowest mental age level (less than three years) were identified as idiots; imbeciles had a mental age of three to 7 years, and morons had a mental age of seven to ten years.[7] IQ, or intelligence quotient, is determined by dividing a person's mental age, as determined by standardized tests, by their actual age. The term "idiot" was used to refer to people having an IQ below 30.[8][9] In current medical classification, these people are now said to have profound mental retardation.[6] Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruggenthies, Julie" To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: 16 July, 2011 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Varick >I am new to all this and wonder why it would say "idiotic"??? > Julie b > > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:49 AM > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Varick > > > Margaret Varick, 66, is head of the household and is listed as 'idiotic' ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am new to all this and wonder why it would say "idiotic"??? Julie b -----Original Message----- From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tallygators@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:49 AM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Varick Margaret Varick, 66, is head of the household and is listed as 'idiotic'

Hi Julie, It was part of a classification system in use in the late 19th & early 20th centuries. See Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot Disability In 19th and early 20th century medicine and psychology, an "idiot" was a person with a very severe mental retardation. In the early 1900s, Dr. Henry H. Goddard proposed a classification system for mental retardation based on the Binet-Simon concept of mental age. Individuals with the lowest mental age level (less than three years) were identified as idiots; imbeciles had a mental age of three to 7 years, and morons had a mental age of seven to ten years.[7] IQ, or intelligence quotient, is determined by dividing a person's mental age, as determined by standardized tests, by their actual age. The term "idiot" was used to refer to people having an IQ below 30.[8][9] In current medical classification, these people are now said to have profound mental retardation.[6] Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruggenthies, Julie" To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: 16 July, 2011 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Varick >I am new to all this and wonder why it would say "idiotic"??? > Julie b > > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:49 AM > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Varick > > > Margaret Varick, 66, is head of the household and is listed as 'idiotic'

Usually that meant mentally impaired somehow. As HOH and 66 years old could mean dementia. Loreen Wells On 11-07-16 05:48 PM, Bruggenthies, Julie wrote: > I am new to all this and wonder why it would say "idiotic"??? > Julie b > > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tallygators@earthlink.net > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:49 AM > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Varick > > > Margaret Varick, 66, is head of the household and is listed as 'idiotic' > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The place we have been talking about is NARA. For all the recent questions about the NARA Archives in NYC, you will find the answers here: http://www.archives.gov/northeast/nyc/ http://www.archives.gov/northeast/nyc/move-notice.html

Hi Ellen, Everyone has free access to a name search of the 1880, 1900, and 1910 Census thanks to the Allen County Library and the Internet Archive. The Library acquired the Soundex name indices from the 1880-1930 Census reels from the US National Archive and are in the process of having them placed online at the Internet Archive. 1920 and 1930 are in progress, 1880 - 1910 are done. Unfortunately, both NY and NJ appear to be missing from the 1910 rolls. I've created finding guides to help you find the reel you want and then bring it up. My guides are at http://Guides.DonsList.net Click on 1880 in the census links and you'll see a list of states in the upper left frame. Scroll down to New York and click on Index. You'll see a list of index reels for New York state in the upper right frame. You'll need the soundex code for the name you want, in this case, Alexander. There are links right next to the census links on my guides page to pages explaining the system and also to a soundex calculator which will generate the codes you request. For Alexander, the code is A425 . Scroll down in the list of soundex reels to the reel for that code. It's reel 209x, the third one on the list. Click on that link and the page on the Internet Archive for that reel will open in a new tab or window. To the left are links which allow you to download the entire reel or browse it. I see one Isador Alexander in New York only and the other names in the family do not match those you've mentioned. But you might want to take a look, and perhaps check other states too. If you find a soundex card for the family you want, note that it includes the ED, sheet number, and line number for the full census listing. You can find the correct reel using my guides again. For the Isidor I found the here are the listings: ED 209, Sheet 28, Line 37. Click on "New York" "Census" in the list of states in the left frame and a list of reels with full census images will appear in the upper right frame. Scroll down to the one for the municipality and ED that you want and click on the link there. Again, a tab or window will appear with the correct page from the Internet Archive for that reel. Of course the process is a more complex than simply typing in the name and getting back a list. This is how it was originally done from hand generated indices, done during the depression under the WPA (Works Projects Administration). There are advantages to the this approach though. It's free, and it's much less vulnerable to errors in transcription and spelling than the computerized searches are. I'll be placing guides for the 1920 and 1930 soundex cards on the site as the digitization is completed, hopefully by the end of the summer. And you will see on that page guides for large series covering the Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War, shipping manifests, and others. The guides along with the actual materials placed online on the Internet Archive provide free and practical access to 30,000+ microfilm reels with 30,000,000+ total pages. It's a wonderful and growing resource. Don Don Krieger - Pittsburgh, PA http://www.DonsList.Net - Always fast. Always free. -----Original Message----- From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ln769eksa Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:48 PM To: NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] 1880 Census Information Help I would like to see how my husband's family appears on the 1880 census. Would some kind person with access check that for me? The parents names are Isidor and Jeannette Alexander, with four sons, Jacques, Gaston, Edward and Maurice. Is there any information aside from their names? Thank you in advance. Ellen Alexander ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To begin: I am 99% sure this Varick family has no connection to the family of Richard Varick, mayor of NYC. I would like to prove that Margaret Varick in NYC Census is the mother of John James Varick. On his death certificate his parents are listed at Richard Varick and Marjorie Foster. I have been researching this family since the late 1960s. John James Varick's mother indentured him to William Hesketh, Blacksmith, November 20, 1838 (original document). 1850 census, 8th Ward John James Varick age 28, blacksmith, is listed with wife Elizabeth and 4 children. 1850 census, 9th Ward Margaret Varick, 66, is head of the household and is listed as 'idiotic' In her household is Phineas Varick, 37, 'idiotic', Elizabeth Varick 35, Joseph Varick 38 and Samuel BENNET 38 By 1860, John James Varick had relocated to Jersey City, NJ. I cannot find him in the 1860 census but did find where he purchases a cemetery lot in Speer Cemetery, Jersey City, NJ August 2, 1858 (original document). 1860 census 9th Ward, Div 4,New York City BENNETT, Samuel 53 BENNETT, Elizabeth 48 'blind' VARICK Phineas 45 VARICK, Joseph 44 I have not been able to find any further information concerning Margaret, Phineas nor Joseph VARICK Elizabeth VARICK BENNETT died December 21, 1876 in NYC. I sent for her death certificate hoping to find her parents' names. Unfortunately that was a year in which NYC death certificates did not require the names of the parents - only their places of birth. Further it said she was buried in "New York Bay". It took a while for me to discover she is buried in New York Bay Cemetery, Jersey City, NJ. For those of you who have waded through this very lengthy query, I thank you. And if you have any suggestions what I should do next, I would appreciate hearing from you. Floreda

I would like to see how my husband's family appears on the 1880 census. Would some kind person with access check that for me? The parents names are Isidor and Jeannette Alexander, with four sons, Jacques, Gaston, Edward and Maurice. Is there any information aside from their names? Thank you in advance. Ellen Alexander

Bobbi, Some how I missed this e-mail...NARA is moving from Varrick St? I was planning on going in person. Liz > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:31:34 -0400 > From: bobbidoll@optonline.net > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] NJ naturalization records > > Hi Liz, > > See: > http://www.archives.gov/northeast/nyc/finding-aids/naturalization-records.html > > I don't know if you were planning on going in person. They are in the midst > of moving to a new location. Many of their records will be stored off site, > and only brought in when requested in advance of the time they are needed. > I do not know which ones will be there. So if you are going, be sure to > check to be sure they will be available. > > Bobbi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson" <cosette.58@hotmail.com> > To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; <nynewyor@rootsweb.com>; > <german-ny@rootsweb.com>; <nybronx@rootsweb.com>; <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com>; > <nynassau@rootsweb.com>; <nyqueens@rootsweb.com>; <nysuffol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 13 July, 2011 1:38 PM > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] NJ naturalization records > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, Can someone tell me whether NJ Naturalization records can be > > found at NARA in NYC? I found a new lead on my gr-grandfather and since I > > have not found him in NY naturalization records, he may have done this in > > NJ. If I can not get this in NARA in NYC, does anyone know where I can > > research this? I did check the Camden and Trenton records on the German > > Genealogy Group site. I am want to search Hudson County (Jersey City). > > Thanks, Liz > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone provide an address or telephone number for this place...what is it called thanks Janice D. Etheridge Conway In a message dated 7/15/2011 11:24:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bobbidoll@optonline.net writes: Yes, it will be on the 3rd & 4th floors of the old Custom Building. It will be on the South side of Bowling Green, the Whitehall Street station of the BMT, or South Ferry on the IRT. It will be very near where you board the ferry for The Statue of Liberty & Ellis Island. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Langton To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: 15 July, 2011 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] NJ naturalization records > > In a message dated 7/14/2011 12:37:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Bobbi writes: > > I don't know if you were planning on going in person. They are in the > midst > of moving to a new location. > > > Bobbi, > > Just curious. Do you know where the new location of the NE Archives is > to be? > > Jack Langton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I, too, believe the youngest "Joseph Lamprell" on the 1870 census is, in fact, Charles Joseph Frechette (b. 1849 in Canada), and Malvina (b. 1847) is his older sister. Jean and Charlotte also had two other children who weren't living with the Lamprells. Achille Frechette (b. 1840) married Selina Willett on 21 Apr 1873, and Wilfred Frechette (b. 1843) married Delia Higgins on 9 Sep 1869. However, I'm not sure that the Joseph Lamprell on the 1900 census is the same individual, because I believe your Joseph Lamprell immigrated to New York before 1870. (I found a passenger record for a "Joseph Lamprey" (b. 1840) who arrived on 3 Aug 1858 from England.) In addition, Joseph and Ellen Lamprell indicated that they had been married for 21 years (since 1879), which doesn't add up considering he was married to Charlotte in 1880. ~Marlene On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Kate <chrismomxyz@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Family Search, I find a Jos Lamprell with Charlotte, as well as two > children Malvinia and Joseph who are probably Frechettes, as Joseph is only > a few years older than they are on the 1870 census, so they are married by > then, and according to the 1900 census, Joseph immigrated to the US in 1870 > from England(I'm assuming though he could have gone to Canada from England). > Kate > > --- On Fri, 7/15/11, NormCaz@aol.com <NormCaz@aol.com> wrote: > From: NormCaz@aol.com <NormCaz@aol.com> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] 1880 Census > To: NYC-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 1:24 PM > The 1880 Census for NY, NY (Manhattan) lists this household: > Joseph E. LAMRRELL, age 43 & hus wife Charlotte LAMRRELL, age 63 > She was b. Charlotte MENONAY who m. Jean FRECHETTE, 1835 in Montreal. > Charlotte apparently married LAMRRELL in NY after Jean FRECHETTE's death. > Her son and grandson were also in the household. > Can anyone determine when Joseph & Catherine married? >1850. > Norman Cazavan >

Where was she in 1870 and who was she living with ?? Is the son from the first or second marriage ?? and how old was he in 1880 ?? The 1880 Census for NY, NY (Manhattan) lists this household: Joseph E. LAMRRELL, age 43 & hus wife Charlotte LAMRRELL, age 63 She was b. Charlotte MENONAY who m. Jean FRECHETTE, 1835 in Montreal. Charlotte apparently married LAMRRELL in NY after Jean FRECHETTE's death. Her son and grandson were also in the household. Can anyone determine when Joseph & Catherine married? >1850. Norman Cazavan