A big thank you to Jim and everyone for their suggestions.  Not only is my great grandmother Jeanetta Lazrus buried in Lutheran All Faiths Cemetery but she's also buried with her grandson Rudolph Kern.  He was a stillborn and died the same year as Jeanetta - 1887.  The woman in the cemetery office was very nice and very helpful. I didn't know anything about this child.  Her daughter Charlotte married Rudolph R. Kern and they had a son Rudolph Jr. born in 1888.  I thought Rudolph Jr. was their first child.  I think it's a little creepy to give a new baby the same name as a previous still born baby.  But I guess it was the custom.   Barbara

If you have no idea if she died before or after 1920, then the first thing I would do is find her family in the 1920 census and see if she is listed with them. Maybe we can help you do that, but it would help to have her father's name. On 10/18/11, Patricia Newton <patom65@att.net> wrote: > On the subject of cemetery's: > > I am looking for my aunt, Blanche Agnes O'Brien, DOB, October 11, 1916, > born @409 Nuber Avenue, Mt. Vernon, New York. I have her birth certificate, > but can't find place of death. > > In November, 1922, her mother, Blanche Leitch O'Brien and her brother, > William Fuller O'Brien were living @215 East 51st Street, New York City. Her > father died June 22, 1922 and the story was she was hit by a truck and died > prior to her father's death. > ....... Maybe she died before 1920? > > Any help in this matter will be appreciated. > Thanks, > Patricia O'Brien Newton > Amelia Island, Florida

The document refers to "Lutheran Cem.", Barbara - I would "bet the farm" on it! I've examined thousands of death records over the years, and I am certain that this report is referring to a burial at Lutheran All-Faiths Cemetery in Middle Village, Queens County. Jim Barbara Kiersh wrote: > Hi Gail, > > Well, I tried your suggestions this morning in the Fulton history site. I did boolean, fuzzy to various per cents. No luck there. Perhaps I haven't hit on the right formula with the right words. But, thanks for the suggestion. > > Barbara > > From: Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net> > To: Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com>; "denchief@earthlink.net" <denchief@earthlink.net> > Cc: "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com>; "NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com" <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:56 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? > > Hi Theresa, > > Wow, great suggestions for searching. I'm going to give this my best shot. > > Barbara > > From: Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> > To: "denchief@earthlink.net" <denchief@earthlink.net> > Cc: Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net>; "NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com" <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com>; "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? > > GREAT ideas on ways to search. I am pretty good on searching but some > you suggested I never thought of! > Gail > > Sent from my AT&T iPhone. > ~ Gail ~ > > On Oct 17, 2011, at 15:00, "denchief@earthlink.net" > <denchief@earthlink.net> wrote: > > >> >> It could be Hittman Cemetery, >> >>> Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else. There's no clue as to >>> where the cemetery may be. Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so >>> she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn? Maybe it's Hithman or >>> Fithman. Still makes no sense. I've searched the web and no such >>> place. Any ideas? >>> >>> >> My idea is to go to http://Fulton history.org and do a Boolean search for >> several different things - their faq page gives excellent instructions and >> one or two little points may be specific to the site, so it is worth >> reading. What would I search? >> >> 1. The address she died at. I found at least one obit this way, and lots >> of other interesting info about my families as well. >> >> 2. Pick a Manhattan newspaper, put in the date of death, or year of death, >> and search on "Cemetery" or any other synonyms for the times. An ad may >> reveal possible suspects. >> >> 3. If no result, repeat #2 with other Manhattan papers. They have few for >> that time period. >> >> 4. Do a Boolean search on all variations of her name and see if you get >> anything. ALSO search for the names of likely survivors - various >> children, etc. Again, you can limit these to one paper and time frame at a >> time, or just search the site in general. >> >> 5. If I am remembering correctly, and I could be wrong, Grandma might be >> in a Jewish Cemetery? There is probably some group that keeps track of >> what these were at different time periods, although I would not know what >> that group is, although in a pinch you might call Riverside Memorial >> Chapels. (I think that's the name, but I am not sure - they advertize as >> having been around a long time and they may have lists of what places were >> around. >> >> 6. I had one death certificate where the names for the deceased person's >> mother and father were the last name of the friend who was possibly the one >> who brought her to the hospital. I have another one where the deceased's >> mother' s name was actually the deceased's name, or something like that. >> So, is it possible that the cem. was actually the doctor or whoever's name? >> Is there anything else that might give you a clue? (Probably not, you're >> very good at this and would probably have noticed, but you asked, so...) >> >> Wish you great success! >> >> Theresa >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

On the subject of cemetery's:   I am looking for my aunt, Blanche Agnes O'Brien, DOB, October 11, 1916, born @409 Nuber Avenue, Mt. Vernon, New York.  I have her birth certificate, but can't find place of death.   In November, 1922, her mother, Blanche Leitch O'Brien and her brother, William Fuller O'Brien were living @215 East 51st Street, New York City. Her father died June 22, 1922 and the story was she was hit by a truck and died prior to her father's death.   She had a grandmother, Ella Leitch who lived in Keansburg.  There are a lot of Leitch's buried in Greenwood Cemetery, but Blanche Agnes O'Brien  is not.   I have called several Catholic cemeteries and she is not buried there.  I have sent for death certificate in Westchester County, but they didn't find one.  I sent away to Albany for a death certificate for the years 1920-1922 and they didn't find one.  Maybe she died before 1920?   Any help in this matter will be appreciated. Thanks, Patricia O'Brien Newton Amelia Island, Florida --- On Mon, 10/17/11, Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] what cemetery could this be? To: "Barbara Kiersh" <barkie@bellsouth.net>, nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, October 17, 2011, 10:44 PM Barbara, many people that lived in Manhattan were buried at Lutheran Cemetery - and one did not even have to be Lutheran to have been buried there. Call them up on the telephone and ask them if she was buried there - there are helpful folks at the Lutheran Cemetery's offices. Jim Barbara Kiersh wrote: > Hi Lisa, >  > That's an interesting fact I didn't know.  The coroner's report is Manhattan.  Don't know where they might have buried her then. >  > Barbara > > From: Lisa Thompson <lisajtmo@yahoo.com> > To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] what cemetery could this be? > > Manhattan cemetaries no longer allowed burials after the mid 1800s (I've read different dates - anywhere from 1851 to 1865), so she isn't buried there. > >  > Lisa > * * * * > Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com > Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net> > To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com; nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 4:14 PM > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] what cemetery could this be? > > I just got a coroners report for, I'm positive, my great grandmother.  > It's a report from 1887.  All information on the report, jibes with her > year of birth (which I only know approximately), place of birth and how > long she has lived in America.  The question is the cemetery.  The > handwriting is a bit florid but still quite readable.  Except for the > cemetery.  I've never heard of this one.  It could be Hittman Cemetery, > Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else.  There's no clue as to > where the cemetery may be.  Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so > she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn?  Maybe it's Hithman or > Fithman.  Still makes no sense.  I've searched the web and no such > place.  Any ideas? > > Barbara Kiersh > Jacksonville, FL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >    ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jim,   Thank you.  I'm going to contact Lutheran All-Faiths. I'll let you all know what I'm told.   Barbara From: Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> To: Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net>; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? The document refers to "Lutheran Cem.", Barbara - I would "bet the farm" on it! I've examined thousands of death records over the years, and I am certain that this report is referring to a burial at Lutheran All-Faiths Cemetery in Middle Village, Queens County. Jim Barbara Kiersh wrote: Hi Gail,   Well, I tried your suggestions this morning in the Fulton history site.  I did boolean, fuzzy to various per cents.  No luck there.  Perhaps I haven't hit on the right formula with the right words.  But, thanks for the suggestion.   Barbara From: Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net> To: Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com>; "denchief@earthlink.net" <denchief@earthlink.net> Cc: "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com>; "NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com" <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? Hi Theresa,   Wow, great suggestions for searching.  I'm going to give this my best shot.   Barbara From: Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> To: "denchief@earthlink.net" <denchief@earthlink.net> Cc: Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net>; "NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com" <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com>; "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? GREAT ideas on ways to search. I am pretty good on searching but some you suggested I never thought of! Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ On Oct 17, 2011, at 15:00, "denchief@earthlink.net" <denchief@earthlink.net> wrote: >  It could be Hittman Cemetery, >>Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else.  There's no clue as to where the cemetery may be.  Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn?  Maybe it's Hithman or Fithman.  Still makes no sense.  I've searched the web and no such place.  Any ideas? >>My idea is to go to http://Fulton history.org and do a Boolean search for several different things - their faq page gives excellent instructions and one or two little points may be specific to the site, so it is worth reading.  What would I search? 1. The address she died at.  I found at least one obit this way, and lots of other interesting info about my families as well. 2. Pick a Manhattan newspaper, put in the date of death, or year of death, and search on "Cemetery" or any other synonyms for the times.  An ad may reveal possible suspects. 3. If no result, repeat #2 with other Manhattan papers.  They have  few for that time period. 4. Do a Boolean search on all variations of her name and see if you get anything.  ALSO search for the names of likely survivors - various children, etc.  Again, you can limit these to one paper and time frame at a time, or just search the site in general. 5.  If I am remembering correctly, and I could be wrong, Grandma might be in a Jewish Cemetery?  There is probably some group that keeps track of what these were at different time periods, although I would not know what that group is, although in a pinch you might call Riverside Memorial Chapels.  (I think that's the name, but I am not sure - they advertize as having been around a long time and they may have lists of what places were around. 6. I had one death certificate where the names for the deceased person's mother and father were the last name of the friend who was possibly the one who brought her to the hospital.  I have another one where the deceased's mother' s name was actually the deceased's name, or something like that. So, is it possible that the cem. was actually the doctor or whoever's name? Is there anything else that might give you a clue? (Probably not, you're very good at this and would probably have noticed, but you asked, so...) Wish you great success! Theresa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The reason that there are different dates for the earthen burial ban on Manhattan is that the legislation was passed in three steps. The first line below which there could be no burials was Canal and Grand Streets. That was in the late 1820s, I think, and encompassed all the old churchyards. About five years later the line was moved to 14th Street, which included all the cemeteries in the Houston-1st Street area. In 1851 it became 86th Street, at which point many of the old churches had their burials removed from their churchyards to the new Brooklyn-Queens cemeteries. The congregations were moving uptown, as well. I think that 86th Street is still the northern line, so Trinity Manhattanville, for instance, is okay. The reason for the legislation was the fear of contamination from too-shallow burials in the ground. The only exception to the law was sealed, underground family vaults, such as those at Trinity Wall Street, Old St. Patrick's, St. Mark's in the Bowery, Shereith Israel, and the Marble Cemeteries. Anne Brown, New York Marble Cemetery > Barbara > > From: Lisa Thompson <lisajtmo@yahoo.com> > To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] what cemetery could this be? > > Manhattan cemetaries no longer allowed burials after the mid 1800s (I've read different dates - anywhere from 1851 to 1865), so she isn't buried there.

Hi Gail,   Well, I tried your suggestions this morning in the Fulton history site.  I did boolean, fuzzy to various per cents.  No luck there.  Perhaps I haven't hit on the right formula with the right words.  But, thanks for the suggestion.   Barbara From: Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net> To: Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com>; "denchief@earthlink.net" <denchief@earthlink.net> Cc: "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com>; "NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com" <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? Hi Theresa,   Wow, great suggestions for searching.  I'm going to give this my best shot.   Barbara From: Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> To: "denchief@earthlink.net" <denchief@earthlink.net> Cc: Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net>; "NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com" <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com>; "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? GREAT ideas on ways to search. I am pretty good on searching but some you suggested I never thought of! Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ On Oct 17, 2011, at 15:00, "denchief@earthlink.net" <denchief@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > >  It could be Hittman Cemetery, >> Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else.  There's no clue as to >> where the cemetery may be.  Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so >> she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn?  Maybe it's Hithman or >> Fithman.  Still makes no sense.  I've searched the web and no such >> place.  Any ideas? >> > > > My idea is to go to http://Fulton history.org and do a Boolean search for > several different things - their faq page gives excellent instructions and > one or two little points may be specific to the site, so it is worth > reading.  What would I search? > > 1. The address she died at.  I found at least one obit this way, and lots > of other interesting info about my families as well. > > 2. Pick a Manhattan newspaper, put in the date of death, or year of death, > and search on "Cemetery" or any other synonyms for the times.  An ad may > reveal possible suspects. > > 3. If no result, repeat #2 with other Manhattan papers.  They have  few for > that time period. > > 4. Do a Boolean search on all variations of her name and see if you get > anything.  ALSO search for the names of likely survivors - various > children, etc.  Again, you can limit these to one paper and time frame at a > time, or just search the site in general. > > 5.  If I am remembering correctly, and I could be wrong, Grandma might be > in a Jewish Cemetery?  There is probably some group that keeps track of > what these were at different time periods, although I would not know what > that group is, although in a pinch you might call Riverside Memorial > Chapels.  (I think that's the name, but I am not sure - they advertize as > having been around a long time and they may have lists of what places were > around. > > 6. I had one death certificate where the names for the deceased person's > mother and father were the last name of the friend who was possibly the one > who brought her to the hospital.  I have another one where the deceased's > mother' s name was actually the deceased's name, or something like that. > So, is it possible that the cem. was actually the doctor or whoever's name? > Is there anything else that might give you a clue? (Probably not, you're > very good at this and would probably have noticed, but you asked, so...) > > Wish you great success! > > Theresa > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don't discount the Lutherans. My husband's great grandmother and her children were German Jews who came to NYC when they were sponsored by a Lutheran church. They are buried in a Lutheran cemetery. You never know... Kelli in Ohio -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:49 PM To: Lisa Thompson <lisajtmo@yahoo.com>; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? Hi Lisa,   Definitely not Lutheran.  They were Jewish.   Barbara From: Lisa Thompson <lisajtmo@yahoo.com> To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? Definitely could be Lutheran Cemetary (Queens)! Many of my Manhattan relatives are buried there, including ones who died in the late 1800's. Lisa * * * * Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ From: Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> To: Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net> Cc: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com; NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? Could it possibly be LUTHERAN? Jim Barbara wrote: > I just got a coroners report for, I'm positive, my great grandmother.  > It's a report from 1887.  All information on the report, jibes with her > year of birth (which I only know approximately), place of birth and how > long she has lived in America.  The question is the cemetery.  The > handwriting is a bit florid but still quite readable.  Except for the > cemetery.  I've never heard of this one.  It could be Hittman Cemetery, > Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else.  There's no clue as to > where the cemetery may be.  Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so > she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn?  Maybe it's Hithman or > Fithman.  Still makes no sense.  I've searched the web and no such > place.  Any ideas? > > Barbara Kiersh > Jacksonville, FL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >  -------- [The entire original message is not included]

Does anyone know what the policy was back in the late 1940s regarding a still birth? Would a certificate be issued? Thanks. Nora

Mt. Zion? Mt. Hebron? Send me a copy of the citation - I'll figure it out. Barbara Kiersh wrote: > Hi Lisa, > > Definitely not Lutheran. They were Jewish. > > Barbara > > From: Lisa Thompson <lisajtmo@yahoo.com> > To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? > > > Definitely could be Lutheran Cemetary (Queens)! Many of my Manhattan relatives are buried there, including ones who died in the late 1800's. > > Lisa > * * * * > Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com > Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ > > > > > From: Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> > To: Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net> > Cc: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com; NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? > > Could it possibly be LUTHERAN? > > Jim > > Barbara wrote: > >> I just got a coroners report for, I'm positive, my great grandmother. >> It's a report from 1887. All information on the report, jibes with her >> year of birth (which I only know approximately), place of birth and how >> long she has lived in America. The question is the cemetery. The >> handwriting is a bit florid but still quite readable. Except for the >> cemetery. I've never heard of this one. It could be Hittman Cemetery, >> Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else. There's no clue as to >> where the cemetery may be. Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so >> she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn? Maybe it's Hithman or >> Fithman. Still makes no sense. I've searched the web and no such >> place. Any ideas? >> >> Barbara Kiersh >> Jacksonville, FL >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Barbara, many people that lived in Manhattan were buried at Lutheran Cemetery - and one did not even have to be Lutheran to have been buried there. Call them up on the telephone and ask them if she was buried there - there are helpful folks at the Lutheran Cemetery's offices. Jim Barbara Kiersh wrote: > Hi Lisa, > > That's an interesting fact I didn't know. The coroner's report is Manhattan. Don't know where they might have buried her then. > > Barbara > > From: Lisa Thompson <lisajtmo@yahoo.com> > To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] what cemetery could this be? > > Manhattan cemetaries no longer allowed burials after the mid 1800s (I've read different dates - anywhere from 1851 to 1865), so she isn't buried there. > > > Lisa > * * * * > Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com > Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net> > To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com; nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 4:14 PM > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] what cemetery could this be? > > I just got a coroners report for, I'm positive, my great grandmother. > It's a report from 1887. All information on the report, jibes with her > year of birth (which I only know approximately), place of birth and how > long she has lived in America. The question is the cemetery. The > handwriting is a bit florid but still quite readable. Except for the > cemetery. I've never heard of this one. It could be Hittman Cemetery, > Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else. There's no clue as to > where the cemetery may be. Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so > she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn? Maybe it's Hithman or > Fithman. Still makes no sense. I've searched the web and no such > place. Any ideas? > > Barbara Kiersh > Jacksonville, FL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Could it possibly be LUTHERAN? Jim Barbara wrote: > I just got a coroners report for, I'm positive, my great grandmother. > It's a report from 1887. All information on the report, jibes with her > year of birth (which I only know approximately), place of birth and how > long she has lived in America. The question is the cemetery. The > handwriting is a bit florid but still quite readable. Except for the > cemetery. I've never heard of this one. It could be Hittman Cemetery, > Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else. There's no clue as to > where the cemetery may be. Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so > she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn? Maybe it's Hithman or > Fithman. Still makes no sense. I've searched the web and no such > place. Any ideas? > > Barbara Kiersh > Jacksonville, FL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Theresa,   Wow, great suggestions for searching.  I'm going to give this my best shot.   Barbara From: Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> To: "denchief@earthlink.net" <denchief@earthlink.net> Cc: Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net>; "NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com" <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com>; "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? GREAT ideas on ways to search. I am pretty good on searching but some you suggested I never thought of! Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ On Oct 17, 2011, at 15:00, "denchief@earthlink.net" <denchief@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > >  It could be Hittman Cemetery, >> Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else.  There's no clue as to >> where the cemetery may be.  Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so >> she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn?  Maybe it's Hithman or >> Fithman.  Still makes no sense.  I've searched the web and no such >> place.  Any ideas? >> > > > My idea is to go to http://Fulton history.org and do a Boolean search for > several different things - their faq page gives excellent instructions and > one or two little points may be specific to the site, so it is worth > reading.  What would I search? > > 1. The address she died at.  I found at least one obit this way, and lots > of other interesting info about my families as well. > > 2. Pick a Manhattan newspaper, put in the date of death, or year of death, > and search on "Cemetery" or any other synonyms for the times.  An ad may > reveal possible suspects. > > 3. If no result, repeat #2 with other Manhattan papers.  They have  few for > that time period. > > 4. Do a Boolean search on all variations of her name and see if you get > anything.  ALSO search for the names of likely survivors - various > children, etc.  Again, you can limit these to one paper and time frame at a > time, or just search the site in general. > > 5.  If I am remembering correctly, and I could be wrong, Grandma might be > in a Jewish Cemetery?  There is probably some group that keeps track of > what these were at different time periods, although I would not know what > that group is, although in a pinch you might call Riverside Memorial > Chapels.  (I think that's the name, but I am not sure - they advertize as > having been around a long time and they may have lists of what places were > around. > > 6. I had one death certificate where the names for the deceased person's > mother and father were the last name of the friend who was possibly the one > who brought her to the hospital.  I have another one where the deceased's > mother' s name was actually the deceased's name, or something like that. > So, is it possible that the cem. was actually the doctor or whoever's name? > Is there anything else that might give you a clue? (Probably not, you're > very good at this and would probably have noticed, but you asked, so...) > > Wish you great success! > > Theresa > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lisa,   Definitely not Lutheran.  They were Jewish.   Barbara From: Lisa Thompson <lisajtmo@yahoo.com> To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? Definitely could be Lutheran Cemetary (Queens)! Many of my Manhattan relatives are buried there, including ones who died in the late 1800's. Lisa * * * * Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ From: Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> To: Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net> Cc: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com; NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? Could it possibly be LUTHERAN? Jim Barbara wrote: > I just got a coroners report for, I'm positive, my great grandmother.  > It's a report from 1887.  All information on the report, jibes with her > year of birth (which I only know approximately), place of birth and how > long she has lived in America.  The question is the cemetery.  The > handwriting is a bit florid but still quite readable.  Except for the > cemetery.  I've never heard of this one.  It could be Hittman Cemetery, > Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else.  There's no clue as to > where the cemetery may be.  Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so > she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn?  Maybe it's Hithman or > Fithman.  Still makes no sense.  I've searched the web and no such > place.  Any ideas? > > Barbara Kiersh > Jacksonville, FL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lisa,   That's an interesting fact I didn't know.  The coroner's report is Manhattan.  Don't know where they might have buried her then.   Barbara From: Lisa Thompson <lisajtmo@yahoo.com> To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] what cemetery could this be? Manhattan cemetaries no longer allowed burials after the mid 1800s (I've read different dates - anywhere from 1851 to 1865), so she isn't buried there.   Lisa * * * * Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ ________________________________ From: Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net> To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com; nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 4:14 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] what cemetery could this be? I just got a coroners report for, I'm positive, my great grandmother.  It's a report from 1887.  All information on the report, jibes with her year of birth (which I only know approximately), place of birth and how long she has lived in America.  The question is the cemetery.  The handwriting is a bit florid but still quite readable.  Except for the cemetery.  I've never heard of this one.  It could be Hittman Cemetery, Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else.  There's no clue as to where the cemetery may be.  Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn?  Maybe it's Hithman or Fithman.  Still makes no sense.  I've searched the web and no such place.  Any ideas? Barbara Kiersh Jacksonville, FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Definitely could be Lutheran Cemetary (Queens)! Many of my Manhattan relatives are buried there, including ones who died in the late 1800's. Lisa * * * * Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ ________________________________ From: Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> To: Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net> Cc: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com; NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] [BKLYN] what cemetery could this be? Could it possibly be LUTHERAN? Jim Barbara wrote: > I just got a coroners report for, I'm positive, my great grandmother.  > It's a report from 1887.  All information on the report, jibes with her > year of birth (which I only know approximately), place of birth and how > long she has lived in America.  The question is the cemetery.  The > handwriting is a bit florid but still quite readable.  Except for the > cemetery.  I've never heard of this one.  It could be Hittman Cemetery, > Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else.  There's no clue as to > where the cemetery may be.  Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so > she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn?  Maybe it's Hithman or > Fithman.  Still makes no sense.  I've searched the web and no such > place.  Any ideas? > > Barbara Kiersh > Jacksonville, FL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid=64348 there is a Dittman cemetery in Erie County, ny -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 3:14 PM To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com ; nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] what cemetery could this be? I just got a coroners report for, I'm positive, my great grandmother. It's a report from 1887. All information on the report, jibes with her year of birth (which I only know approximately), place of birth and how long she has lived in America. The question is the cemetery. The handwriting is a bit florid but still quite readable. Except for the cemetery. I've never heard of this one. It could be Hittman Cemetery, Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else. There's no clue as to where the cemetery may be. Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn? Maybe it's Hithman or Fithman. Still makes no sense. I've searched the web and no such place. Any ideas? Barbara Kiersh Jacksonville, FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just got a coroners report for, I'm positive, my great grandmother. It's a report from 1887. All information on the report, jibes with her year of birth (which I only know approximately), place of birth and how long she has lived in America. The question is the cemetery. The handwriting is a bit florid but still quite readable. Except for the cemetery. I've never heard of this one. It could be Hittman Cemetery, Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else. There's no clue as to where the cemetery may be. Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn? Maybe it's Hithman or Fithman. Still makes no sense. I've searched the web and no such place. Any ideas? Barbara Kiersh Jacksonville, FL

GREAT ideas on ways to search. I am pretty good on searching but some you suggested I never thought of! Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ On Oct 17, 2011, at 15:00, "denchief@earthlink.net" <denchief@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > It could be Hittman Cemetery, >> Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else. There's no clue as to >> where the cemetery may be. Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so >> she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn? Maybe it's Hithman or >> Fithman. Still makes no sense. I've searched the web and no such >> place. Any ideas? >> > > > My idea is to go to http://Fulton history.org and do a Boolean search for > several different things - their faq page gives excellent instructions and > one or two little points may be specific to the site, so it is worth > reading. What would I search? > > 1. The address she died at. I found at least one obit this way, and lots > of other interesting info about my families as well. > > 2. Pick a Manhattan newspaper, put in the date of death, or year of death, > and search on "Cemetery" or any other synonyms for the times. An ad may > reveal possible suspects. > > 3. If no result, repeat #2 with other Manhattan papers. They have few for > that time period. > > 4. Do a Boolean search on all variations of her name and see if you get > anything. ALSO search for the names of likely survivors - various > children, etc. Again, you can limit these to one paper and time frame at a > time, or just search the site in general. > > 5. If I am remembering correctly, and I could be wrong, Grandma might be > in a Jewish Cemetery? There is probably some group that keeps track of > what these were at different time periods, although I would not know what > that group is, although in a pinch you might call Riverside Memorial > Chapels. (I think that's the name, but I am not sure - they advertize as > having been around a long time and they may have lists of what places were > around. > > 6. I had one death certificate where the names for the deceased person's > mother and father were the last name of the friend who was possibly the one > who brought her to the hospital. I have another one where the deceased's > mother' s name was actually the deceased's name, or something like that. > So, is it possible that the cem. was actually the doctor or whoever's name? > Is there anything else that might give you a clue? (Probably not, you're > very good at this and would probably have noticed, but you asked, so...) > > Wish you great success! > > Theresa > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Manhattan cemetaries no longer allowed burials after the mid 1800s (I've read different dates - anywhere from 1851 to 1865), so she isn't buried there.   Lisa * * * * Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ ________________________________ From: Barbara <barkie@bellsouth.net> To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com; nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 4:14 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] what cemetery could this be? I just got a coroners report for, I'm positive, my great grandmother.  It's a report from 1887.  All information on the report, jibes with her year of birth (which I only know approximately), place of birth and how long she has lived in America.  The question is the cemetery.  The handwriting is a bit florid but still quite readable.  Except for the cemetery.  I've never heard of this one.  It could be Hittman Cemetery, Fittman Cemetery, can't think of anything else.  There's no clue as to where the cemetery may be.  Her place of death was 323 W. 53rd St., so she could be in Manhattan, Bronx, maybe Brooklyn?  Maybe it's Hithman or Fithman.  Still makes no sense.  I've searched the web and no such place.  Any ideas? Barbara Kiersh Jacksonville, FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message