Do you have interment lists for any graves the family used? One such list lists my great-great-grandfather's leg. The date the limbs were buried could then give you a time frame in which to search newspapers if keyword searches alone aren't helping. What time period are you looking for NYC death certificates for? If you have a date and certificate number, it's not hard to order hard copies from the Municipal Archives, although I don't know if they ship internationally. Kathleen On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Toni Evans via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello to all you nice people who have sent in snippets of info and > thoughts. > The Draft Reg WW11 I did wonder if it was compulsory as why would a man > with no legs register, I also have tried some newspapers with no luck and a > reli has just said that they thought it had been a train accident but I > guess it depends on the search phrase used what turns up. > I would dearly love to get a couple of death certs but on reading the info > on the net re NYC records it looks well nigh impossible unless anybody can > tell me different and of course another hurdle is I live at the bottom of > the world so would have to be through the net. Plus I am trying to get my > head around the recording system for deaths even the records thrown up on > Family Search.org have added to the confusion. > > Any thought or ideas would be welcome. > Toni > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Think all men had to register for the draft, even after the WW's. My Husband did. (register) I have gotten death certificates from NY City. One has to pay for them in advance though and some have incomplete information, but I found it worth doing and may yet do it again. It also helps to have a death date, and burial information which one can get from the cemetery. It also helps to know if there is an alternate system and I do not. Good luck. On 3/31/2015 3:59 PM, Toni Evans via wrote: > Hello to all you nice people who have sent in snippets of info and thoughts. > The Draft Reg WW11 I did wonder if it was compulsory as why would a man with no legs register, I also have tried some newspapers with no luck and a reli has just said that they thought it had been a train accident but I guess it depends on the search phrase used what turns up. > I would dearly love to get a couple of death certs but on reading the info on the net re NYC records it looks well nigh impossible unless anybody can tell me different and of course another hurdle is I live at the bottom of the world so would have to be through the net. Plus I am trying to get my head around the recording system for deaths even the records thrown up on Family Search.org have added to the confusion. > > Any thought or ideas would be welcome. > Toni > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Most likely his legs were badly injured and couldn't be repaired; maybe they got badly infected. I'm not clear on the details though. Was he injured while serving in the military in WWI, or did he register for the draft and the record shows his legs had been amputated? Death certificate might not mention it if it had nothing to do with the cause of death. If it was a civilian injury, any injury that dramatic might conceivably have been covered in local media when it happened. If it happened in the military, his military records might have more detail, and there might also be an explanation in any newspaper mention of his death. If he served or registered for WWI, you might also try asking aunts, uncles and 1st and 2nd cousins. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Toni Evans via Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:30 PM To: VLB ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Need help urgently Hello, I thank you from the bottom of my heart, on reading your mail I went straight to FHL and I too have broken a MAJOR brick wall which up to now had been a family story, in fact it sucked my breath first and then nearly cried now you will wonder why ....... the story went that this ancestor went to NY from England and that he had lost both legs, how on earth was I to find this, it is not even on his death cert from the hospital. now what do you think I found it on US WW1 Registration Cards ..... two legs amputated !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now of course I want to know how any ideas ???? I understood it was WW1 I think so how would it show on Registration Cards. One solved another load of questions, Toni --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I recently discovered that my great grandmother, Louisa Murray (b. 1871 in England) had a first husband, by which she had a child named Mary. (Mary is enumerated as Mary Lebright in the 1900 census for Manhattan with Louisa and my great grandfather, William Lebright. Husband #1's existence cleared up the mystery of the previously unheard of daughter.) I know Louisa Murray immigrated to NYC between 1881 and 1891. I can only find two documents referencing her first husband: Mary's 1892 birth on familysearch.org, where her father is listed as Marian BAYER Louisa & Marian in the 1892 state census, where he is listed as Maxin BOYER I haven't had any luck turning up a death certificate for him. The 1892 census says is birthplace is NJ but I can't find him in the NY or NJ census other than 1892. (My grandmother was a devout churchgoer, so the thought of a divorce seems impossible.) After 1900, I can't find Mary. I've tried finding a marriage for her as both Mary Bayer/Boyer and as Mary Lebright/Lebrecht. Can't find a death record, either. I've tried Findmypast, Italiangen and Familysearch.com. I haven't had any luck in the past on Ancestry, but haven't been able to visit my local FHL or library to check recently. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Lisa

Hello to all you nice people who have sent in snippets of info and thoughts. The Draft Reg WW11 I did wonder if it was compulsory as why would a man with no legs register, I also have tried some newspapers with no luck and a reli has just said that they thought it had been a train accident but I guess it depends on the search phrase used what turns up. I would dearly love to get a couple of death certs but on reading the info on the net re NYC records it looks well nigh impossible unless anybody can tell me different and of course another hurdle is I live at the bottom of the world so would have to be through the net. Plus I am trying to get my head around the recording system for deaths even the records thrown up on Family Search.org have added to the confusion. Any thought or ideas would be welcome. Toni

Hello, He might have joined as a step to citizenship. My grandfather's youngest brother went to war and as a result he secured US citizenship. Others might have joined in an effort to get out of jail or to secure a paying job or perhaps to seek adventure. Hope this helps. peter greene On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:51 AM, Jackie Brown via <[email protected]> wrote: You are correct. My grandfather volunteered and I could find no record. However, from what I was able to determine he was in the National Guard or some other similar organization then into regular Army.  I also contacted the WWI Museum and they confirmed this.  My original contact with them was to inquire about the medals that were my grandfather's. Although his records were destroyed in the fire in St. Louis they did have minimal information to send me. You might try that Sent from my iPad > On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via <[email protected]> wrote: > > The only person I haven't been able to find in the WWI draft registration > is one I know served. I believe he enlisted voluntarily - does anyone know > if I'm right in thinking that he would have thus avoided registering for > the draft? > > Kathleen > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Barbara DeOliveira via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> There are a couple I haven't been able to find.  I guess they were >> "Draft Dodgers." >> >> >> Bobbi > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Is there an indication of what kind of job he held? Many occupations were and are very dangerous. For example if he was a worker on the tunnels for the subway in New York he might have lost his legs in a construction accident. Hope this helps. On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 12:31 PM, Sheila MacAvoy Block via <[email protected]> wrote: Toni, et al I requested a grave list from Calvary cemetery. When I received the list it contained as the first entry, "arm, John Gaffney." The limb was buried the same day as the grave was purchased by Gaffney's wife. A search of the Brooklyn Eagle around the pertinent date revealed that an unidentified workman in Brooklyn at a furrier manufacturing shop had lost his arm in some machinery. My man lived in Brooklyn and was a machinist. I assume this was my Gaffney, although his name was not mentioned in the article. You might look for newspaper accounts of the accident that cost your ancestor his legs.. Sheila ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"or some other similar organization" = New York State Militia -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Brown via [email protected] You are correct. My grandfather volunteered and I could find no record. However, from what I was able to determine he was in the National Guard or some other similar organization then into regular Army. I also contacted the WWI Museum and they confirmed this. My original contact with them was to inquire about the medals that were my grandfather's. Although his records were destroyed in the fire in St. Louis they did have minimal information to send me. You might try that > On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via <[email protected]> wrote: > > The only person I haven't been able to find in the WWI draft registration > is one I know served. I believe he enlisted voluntarily - does anyone know > if I'm right in thinking that he would have thus avoided registering for > the draft? > > Kathleen

You are correct. My grandfather volunteered and I could find no record. However, from what I was able to determine he was in the National Guard or some other similar organization then into regular Army. I also contacted the WWI Museum and they confirmed this. My original contact with them was to inquire about the medals that were my grandfather's. Although his records were destroyed in the fire in St. Louis they did have minimal information to send me. You might try that Sent from my iPad > On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via <[email protected]> wrote: > > The only person I haven't been able to find in the WWI draft registration > is one I know served. I believe he enlisted voluntarily - does anyone know > if I'm right in thinking that he would have thus avoided registering for > the draft? > > Kathleen > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Barbara DeOliveira via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> There are a couple I haven't been able to find. I guess they were >> "Draft Dodgers." >> >> >> Bobbi > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via <[email protected]> wrote: > > The only person I haven't been able to find in the WWI draft registration > is one I know served. I believe he enlisted voluntarily - does anyone know > if I'm right in thinking that he would have thus avoided registering for > the draft? > > Kathleen > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Barbara DeOliveira via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> There are a couple I haven't been able to find. I guess they were >> "Draft Dodgers." >> >> >> Bobbi > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The only person I haven't been able to find in the WWI draft registration is one I know served. I believe he enlisted voluntarily - does anyone know if I'm right in thinking that he would have thus avoided registering for the draft? Kathleen On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Barbara DeOliveira via < [email protected]> wrote: > > > There are a couple I haven't been able to find. I guess they were > "Draft Dodgers." > > > Bobbi > >

Toni, et al I requested a grave list from Calvary cemetery. When I received the list it contained as the first entry, "arm, John Gaffney." The limb was buried the same day as the grave was purchased by Gaffney's wife. A search of the Brooklyn Eagle around the pertinent date revealed that an unidentified workman in Brooklyn at a furrier manufacturing shop had lost his arm in some machinery. My man lived in Brooklyn and was a machinist. I assume this was my Gaffney, although his name was not mentioned in the article. You might look for newspaper accounts of the accident that cost your ancestor his legs.. Sheila

DRAFT -----Original Message----- From: Toni Evans via <[email protected]> To: NYC-ROOTS <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Mar 27, 2015 2:20 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] WW1 Registration Cards Hi all, Can anyone give me a background to the WW1 Registration Cards, reason purpose etc. Many thanks Toni ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Send for his military file from NARA-D.C. -----Original Message----- From: Toni Evans via <[email protected]> To: VLB <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Mar 27, 2015 12:31 am Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Need help urgently Hello, I thank you from the bottom of my heart, on reading your mail I went straight to FHL and I too have broken a MAJOR brick wall which up to now had been a family story, in fact it sucked my breath first and then nearly cried now you will wonder why ....... the story went that this ancestor went to NY from England and that he had lost both legs, how on earth was I to find this, it is not even on his death cert from the hospital. now what do you think I found it on US WW1 Registration Cards ..... two legs amputated !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now of course I want to know how any ideas ???? I understood it was WW1 I think so how would it show on Registration Cards. One solved another load of questions, Toni On Friday, 27 March 2015 2:44 PM, VLB via <[email protected]> wrote: Just wanted to say that after further searching, I found the film number and ordered it. Thanks to Jean for finding it as well. These new records are well worth looking at for your own 'missing persons'.Virginia From: VLB via <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:42 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Need help urgently Hello all, I have just broken a major brick wall. Familyhistory.org has just updated their NY bmd records and I found my gt gt grandparents' marriage after years of looking. But no cert number and no microfilm on IGG, GGG, or Steve Morse--too early. I don't know where to search for the record on FHL to order the right microfilm.--------- I have not had good luck with NYC doing searches without cert numbers. They always say 'not found'. I am desperate to get this record. Any ideas?--------------- The marriage is between HUGH BRUTON and ELISA FALKNER. It took place 22 JUNE 1863 in New York, New York. I really am desperate to get the original image of this marriage. It's been a long, long search.--------------- Thanks again.Virginia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My grandmother told me that her grandfather had a leg amputated circa 1900, due to diabetes. No record documents it -----Original Message----- From: Toni Evans via <[email protected]> To: NYC-ROOTS <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Mar 28, 2015 6:21 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Input needed Hi all, You may have read my recent story on an ancestor who lost both legs and finding the confirmation on a WW1 Draft registration. I have been searching for years to verify this family story but know would love to know how this happened ...... suggestions wanted as to what and where would you search next. He moved to the USA 1903 with legs Married ... marriage not foundIn the 1910 Census with wife and three children first one not his but all under one surname.1911 Another son born 1920 Census in Seton Hospital NY1921 died in Seton Hospital have the death reg Nothing showing anywhere else except Draft Reg about his legs only known through family lore. I have tried Newspaper searching without luck, I have been in touch with descendants with no luck and they appear disinterested. Any suggestions (maybe NYC records ?) Toni ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Both Family Search and Ancestry have these.Virginia-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   From: Kathleen Estes via <[email protected]> To: Joyce Presnall <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] How do i locate the NY state census ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Go to http://www.stevemorse.org and search by name or address or AD, ED. Have fun! Diane Jacobs -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kathleen Estes via Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 1:27 PM To: Joyce Presnall; [email protected] Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] How do i locate the NY state census ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning, list! How about matching our posts to a descriptive subject line? Would be so helpful. Thanks, Elizabeth

Where did he die? On 3/29/2015 8:38 PM, Jill Carnesi via wrote: > My ggrandfather (Francesco "Frank' Meli) lived on 51st Street in NYC. > He died between 1901 and 1913. The family was Catholic. What cemetery > would he have most likely been buried? I have not been able to find a > death certificate for him. Any helpful hints for finding him would be > great. > > _Have an AWESOME Day!_ > > _JILL CARNESI _SEARCHING FOR: CARNESI, CARNESE, FERRARA, MELI, > MADDI > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com