Hi Barbara, You are correct in that all are not digitized and available online. I spoke with kings county Surrogates last year and if you do the look up at their Johnson Street location it is free and you'd pay for copies unless you take a picture with a mobile device. If they do it it is $75, at least at that time. An 1898 will was a goldmine for me as it talked about his son he left in England, the name of his first wife and where the son lived, which I hadn't known previously. If you have a brick wall with these folks, it might be worth it but if it is just to have it in your files, then $75 is a big sum, IMO. > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) > From: Barbara Kiersh <[email protected]> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] not all wills digitized > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ? Joyce and list, > For many of us, our search ends at the General Index.? The years I wanted was 1947 and 1951, Kings County.? These years are only on index cards.? I found the cards I wanted and that's where my search ends.? My grandfather, Sam Kessler's card reads 8762-51, Oct 28, 1951 (which is the date of his death) and then his address at time of death.? No doubt this is him, but I'm not able to go any further.? His second wife's index card is even more sparse, and if I didn't know the date of her death I wouldn't know it was her.? Her card reads Ray Kessler, 4596-47, May 10, 1947.? Obviously the numbers 51 and 47 indicated the years of death.? I don't know what the first numbers refer to, perhaps file number.? But I would still have to order these wills from Kings County Probate Court and pay for them.? Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they would cost.? I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > - > > them.? Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they would cost.? I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > ------------------------------ > >

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  Joyce and list, For many of us, our search ends at the General Index.  The years I wanted was 1947 and 1951, Kings County.  These years are only on index cards.  I found the cards I wanted and that's where my search ends.  My grandfather, Sam Kessler's card reads 8762-51, Oct 28, 1951 (which is the date of his death) and then his address at time of death.  No doubt this is him, but I'm not able to go any further.  His second wife's index card is even more sparse, and if I didn't know the date of her death I wouldn't know it was her.  Her card reads Ray Kessler, 4596-47, May 10, 1947.  Obviously the numbers 51 and 47 indicated the years of death.  I don't know what the first numbers refer to, perhaps file number.  But I would still have to order these wills from Kings County Probate Court and pay for them.  Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they would cost.  I'm assuming expensive.  Right now I'm unwilling to pay. Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the digitized image I would very much appreciate it. Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL

I tried to explain how to do this on another list and it was far too confusing for anyone to follow SO I have made a WORD document that has links and pictures so that you are able to find wills for our ancestors quite easily on familysearch.org If you want a copy of the document please email me OFF LIST @ the wrdsrus address -put in subject "need instructions of familysearch Wills" and I will email you the WORD document that explains step by step and shows you pictures. Please be sure to send your request to the WRDSRUS address as I do not check my gmail email very often Have a great day everyone. Joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

I have made a WORD doc with step by step instructions and pictures. If you want it please email me OFF LIST preferably @ the wrdsrus address -put in subject "need instructions of familysearch Wills" and I will email you the WORD document that explains step by step and shows you pictures. Metro I will email you a copy from my WRDSRUS address. Please let me know if it comes out OK for you. Have a great day everyone. Joyce On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Joyce Presnall <[email protected]> wrote: > This is a LOT easier to explain via pictures, so if enough people are > interested in this method, I will make a word document that shows in > pictures how to do this. The drawback to communicating via lists is that > you cannot enclose snippings of how to do this. > > If anyone wants step by step pictures on how to do this, reply to me > offlist at the wrdsrus address and I will put together a WORD doc that > clearly shows what I am talking about. > > I do hope the wrdsrus email addy shows up here...I am not great at using > gmail and it will be easier for me to respond via my aol address. > > Metro if you want this is step by step with pictures, let me know...I'll > be glad to draft a WORD document that will take you step by step...it is a > LOT easier than it sounds and is very hard to describe in words. > > If I send you pictures step by step, and then you follow along by > searching whatever name YOU are looking for you will "get it" right away. > It just sounds complicated, but it is not. > > Joyce > > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

This is a LOT easier to explain via pictures, so if enough people are interested in this method, I will make a word document that shows in pictures how to do this. The drawback to communicating via lists is that you cannot enclose snippings of how to do this. If anyone wants step by step pictures on how to do this, reply to me offlist at the wrdsrus address and I will put together a WORD doc that clearly shows what I am talking about. I do hope the wrdsrus email addy shows up here...I am not great at using gmail and it will be easier for me to respond via my aol address. Metro if you want this is step by step with pictures, let me know...I'll be glad to draft a WORD document that will take you step by step...it is a LOT easier than it sounds and is very hard to describe in words. If I send you pictures step by step, and then you follow along by searching whatever name YOU are looking for you will "get it" right away. It just sounds complicated, but it is not. Joyce On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:23 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > huh? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> > To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2015 10:09 pm > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] How to find wills on familysearch.org > > I just discovered something you might know or you might not. I am trying > to > break down a MAJOR wall with my Haight family and found a way > onfamilysearch.org that may help ME so it may help YOU too....I am > finding > more and more that familysearch often has answers not found > elsewhere--the > key is to finding them. THAT is the tricky part. > > To find NY > State Wills go to this link on > familysearch > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1920234/waypoints > > > > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

huh? -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2015 10:09 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] How to find wills on familysearch.org I just discovered something you might know or you might not. I am trying to break down a MAJOR wall with my Haight family and found a way on familysearch.org that may help ME so it may help YOU too....I am finding more and more that familysearch often has answers not found elsewhere--the key is to finding them. THAT is the tricky part. To find NY State Wills go to this link on familysearch https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1920234/waypoints You will come to a list of counties--- Choose your county and then you will come to an alphabetical list for various links for probate records or Wills and Administration index <https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2F9VSM-4WP%3A213301001%2C215509101%3Fcc%3D1920234&1&leaf=true> On the lists I looked at the files you are looking for seem to be at the end of the list (don't ask my WHY they put the index last LOL) Look for the alpha listing for the last name you are looking for. They are in alphabetical order. Each county is set up a bit differently but what you are looking for is the Volume# and Entry # number where the will is located. Once you find the vol # and page # you can easily find the will you are looking for. This takes a bit of "poking around" as each will varies in length, and the #'s the give you is NOT the page # but it is the file #. This is where the "researcher" in you comes out. Skip around a bit to locate the page where your file # is located. THERE you will find the entire will for the person you are looking for. Here is an example for one person I did as "visual" always helps ME to figure things out. The person I am doing is Aaron Haight in Westchester County. First I go here and choose the county https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-28663-34995-0?cc=1920234&wc=9V36-YWG:213305501,234535401#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fcollection%2F1920234%2Fwaypoints Then I went here and chose Westchester - "Wills and letters index 1813-1983 Gurska, Agnes-Hanlon, James" - - THEN comes the searching for where the name HAIGHT starts, and I copied all the Haights to my WORD file so I could look them up one at a time.-- <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-28663-34995-0?cc=1920234&wc=9V36-YWG:213305501,234535401#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2F9V36-YWG%3A213305501%2C234535401%3Fcc%3D1920234&1&leaf=true> - - Once I have them all organized so I can go through one by one-- I look at the Vol # and page # for the person I am looking for-- - - the way the files are set up are a bit different for each county though. Westchester happens to also include the probate court heating in upper R corner. - - Then you go back to the 1st search page and find the link for the right Vol # and year...and then "hunt" for the file #. Since wills are different lengths, you have to skip around until you get to the right area. For good old Aaron it is here... https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2F9VSR-VZ3%3A213305501%3Fcc%3D1920234 No need to pay someone for "pig in a poke" and ordering will info on people in a county when you really don't know who you are looking for. You CAN find this info yourself! It takes some time and patience, but you CAN find wills on the people you are looking for all by yourself! Why would you want to pay someone to get info that is free? It just takes a little time to find out about the person you are looking for... I hope this helps those who don't know where to turn to find WILL info-- After I got a pretty snotty response from someone selling this info, when I asked about how his pricing worked, I decided to find the info myself. No reason to pay $, no reason to put up with attitude +++ it just takes a little time to find the info yourself. Once you understand the "hoops" it is easy to find wills...probates, estate info...it is all there for the taking--FREE I hope this helps those of you who don't care to pay $ for free info... Have a great day, Joyce - - - I used my snipping tool on windows 7 to make a copy of every single file I found in the right area and time period for my Haights. (Mac has a similar tool) I will post instructions for this at end of email for you windows 7 users. If you are on windows 7 and don't know about the snipping tool, it is the greatest invention since ice cream:-) Once you have found the last names you are searching for (you may find many if you are searching for a needle in a haystack as I am) copy them over to a WORD file or something similar, as doing the "needle in a haystack" search requires that you stay organized. If you have 30 or so names to sort through to look at wills you will want to stay organized and mark off the files as you check them. NOW to find the wills. In the upper R side of the cards you will find for probate there is a probate court hearing number. THESE are pages and pages of court hearing info, so you may want to consider looking at them later, for any miniscule info you might pick up. What YOU want is the will # and that is located right underneath the person's name Go to the windows symbol in L lower corner of your screen and use the search function as if you were searching your computer for a document BUT type in SNIPPING TOOL . This will put it in your program menu so you can either copy or save as to your computer files ANY document you find ANYWHERE as long as it fits in the snipping screen. If it doesn't, make it smaller and drag out the corners to make it bigger. -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

do you know where he died? On 4/2/2015 5:35 PM, Jill Carnesi via wrote: > My ggrandfather (Francesco "Frank' Meli) lived on 51st Street in NYC. > He died between 1901 and 1913. The family was Catholic. What cemetery > would he have most likely been buried? I have not been able to find a > death certificate for him. Any helpful hints for finding him would be > great. > > _Have an AWESOME Day!_ > > _JILL CARNESI _SEARCHING FOR: CARNESI, CARNESE, FERRARA, MELI, > MADDI > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

when was he born and what are the parents names ?? By posting just a name and a date range it is hard to assist you. The parents may provide a clue as well as a wife if her was married. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Pieterse <[email protected]> To: jcarnesi <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2015 5:50 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Need Cemetery near 51st Street what is the last census you have for him ?? Were is his wife buried ?? and what was her name ?? My ggrandfather (Francesco "Frank' Meli) lived on 51st Street in NYC. He died between 1901 and 1913. The family was Catholic. What cemetery would he have most likely been buried? I have not been able to find a death certificate for him. Any helpful hints for finding him would be great. -----Original Message----- From: Jill Carnesi via <[email protected]> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2015 5:44 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Need Cemetery near 51st Street My ggrandfather (Francesco "Frank' Meli) lived on 51st Street in NYC. He died between 1901 and 1913. The family was Catholic. What cemetery would he have most likely been buried? I have not been able to find a death certificate for him. Any helpful hints for finding him would be great. _Have an AWESOME Day!_ _JILL CARNESI _SEARCHING FOR: CARNESI, CARNESE, FERRARA, MELI, MADDI ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just discovered something you might know or you might not. I am trying to break down a MAJOR wall with my Haight family and found a way on familysearch.org that may help ME so it may help YOU too....I am finding more and more that familysearch often has answers not found elsewhere--the key is to finding them. THAT is the tricky part. To find NY State Wills go to this link on familysearch https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1920234/waypoints You will come to a list of counties--- Choose your county and then you will come to an alphabetical list for various links for probate records or Wills and Administration index <https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2F9VSM-4WP%3A213301001%2C215509101%3Fcc%3D1920234&1&leaf=true> On the lists I looked at the files you are looking for seem to be at the end of the list (don't ask my WHY they put the index last LOL) Look for the alpha listing for the last name you are looking for. They are in alphabetical order. Each county is set up a bit differently but what you are looking for is the Volume# and Entry # number where the will is located. Once you find the vol # and page # you can easily find the will you are looking for. This takes a bit of "poking around" as each will varies in length, and the #'s the give you is NOT the page # but it is the file #. This is where the "researcher" in you comes out. Skip around a bit to locate the page where your file # is located. THERE you will find the entire will for the person you are looking for. Here is an example for one person I did as "visual" always helps ME to figure things out. The person I am doing is Aaron Haight in Westchester County. First I go here and choose the county https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-28663-34995-0?cc=1920234&wc=9V36-YWG:213305501,234535401#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fcollection%2F1920234%2Fwaypoints Then I went here and chose Westchester - "Wills and letters index 1813-1983 Gurska, Agnes-Hanlon, James" - - THEN comes the searching for where the name HAIGHT starts, and I copied all the Haights to my WORD file so I could look them up one at a time.-- <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-28663-34995-0?cc=1920234&wc=9V36-YWG:213305501,234535401#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2F9V36-YWG%3A213305501%2C234535401%3Fcc%3D1920234&1&leaf=true> - - Once I have them all organized so I can go through one by one-- I look at the Vol # and page # for the person I am looking for-- - - the way the files are set up are a bit different for each county though. Westchester happens to also include the probate court heating in upper R corner. - - Then you go back to the 1st search page and find the link for the right Vol # and year...and then "hunt" for the file #. Since wills are different lengths, you have to skip around until you get to the right area. For good old Aaron it is here... https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2F9VSR-VZ3%3A213305501%3Fcc%3D1920234 No need to pay someone for "pig in a poke" and ordering will info on people in a county when you really don't know who you are looking for. You CAN find this info yourself! It takes some time and patience, but you CAN find wills on the people you are looking for all by yourself! Why would you want to pay someone to get info that is free? It just takes a little time to find out about the person you are looking for... I hope this helps those who don't know where to turn to find WILL info-- After I got a pretty snotty response from someone selling this info, when I asked about how his pricing worked, I decided to find the info myself. No reason to pay $, no reason to put up with attitude +++ it just takes a little time to find the info yourself. Once you understand the "hoops" it is easy to find wills...probates, estate info...it is all there for the taking--FREE I hope this helps those of you who don't care to pay $ for free info... Have a great day, Joyce - - - I used my snipping tool on windows 7 to make a copy of every single file I found in the right area and time period for my Haights. (Mac has a similar tool) I will post instructions for this at end of email for you windows 7 users. If you are on windows 7 and don't know about the snipping tool, it is the greatest invention since ice cream:-) Once you have found the last names you are searching for (you may find many if you are searching for a needle in a haystack as I am) copy them over to a WORD file or something similar, as doing the "needle in a haystack" search requires that you stay organized. If you have 30 or so names to sort through to look at wills you will want to stay organized and mark off the files as you check them. NOW to find the wills. In the upper R side of the cards you will find for probate there is a probate court hearing number. THESE are pages and pages of court hearing info, so you may want to consider looking at them later, for any miniscule info you might pick up. What YOU want is the will # and that is located right underneath the person's name Go to the windows symbol in L lower corner of your screen and use the search function as if you were searching your computer for a document BUT type in SNIPPING TOOL . This will put it in your program menu so you can either copy or save as to your computer files ANY document you find ANYWHERE as long as it fits in the snipping screen. If it doesn't, make it smaller and drag out the corners to make it bigger. -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

Could be Calvary in Queens. Google Catholic cemeteries NY and see what turns up. On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Jill Carnesi via <[email protected]> wrote: > > My ggrandfather (Francesco "Frank' Meli) lived on 51st Street in NYC. > He died between 1901 and 1913. The family was Catholic. What cemetery > would he have most likely been buried? I have not been able to find a > death certificate for him. Any helpful hints for finding him would be > great. > > _Have an AWESOME Day!_ > > _JILL CARNESI _SEARCHING FOR: CARNESI, CARNESE, FERRARA, MELI, > MADDI > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A Catholic resident that died in Manhattan would have been buried in the archdiocesan cemetery, Calvary Cemetery in Queens, New York. Unfortunately, they cannot help you locate a grave without a date of death. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Jill Carnesi via <[email protected]> >Sent: Apr 2, 2015 5:35 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Need Cemetery near 51st Street > > >My ggrandfather (Francesco "Frank' Meli) lived on 51st Street in NYC. >He died between 1901 and 1913. The family was Catholic. What cemetery >would he have most likely been buried? I have not been able to find a >death certificate for him. Any helpful hints for finding him would be >great. > > _Have an AWESOME Day!_ > > _JILL CARNESI _SEARCHING FOR:  CARNESI, CARNESE, FERRARA, MELI, >MADDI > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

what is the last census you have for him ?? Were is his wife buried ?? and what was her name ?? My ggrandfather (Francesco "Frank' Meli) lived on 51st Street in NYC. He died between 1901 and 1913. The family was Catholic. What cemetery would he have most likely been buried? I have not been able to find a death certificate for him. Any helpful hints for finding him would be great. -----Original Message----- From: Jill Carnesi via <[email protected]> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2015 5:44 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Need Cemetery near 51st Street My ggrandfather (Francesco "Frank' Meli) lived on 51st Street in NYC. He died between 1901 and 1913. The family was Catholic. What cemetery would he have most likely been buried? I have not been able to find a death certificate for him. Any helpful hints for finding him would be great. _Have an AWESOME Day!_ _JILL CARNESI _SEARCHING FOR: CARNESI, CARNESE, FERRARA, MELI, MADDI ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My ggrandfather (Francesco "Frank' Meli) lived on 51st Street in NYC. He died between 1901 and 1913. The family was Catholic. What cemetery would he have most likely been buried? I have not been able to find a death certificate for him. Any helpful hints for finding him would be great. _Have an AWESOME Day!_ _JILL CARNESI _SEARCHING FOR:  CARNESI, CARNESE, FERRARA, MELI, MADDI

You could send an email as phone might be expensive. The cemetery might have a research Charge. Good luck. On 4/1/2015 3:17 PM, Lisa Thompson via wrote: > The deceased child isn't Mary. None of that information on the 1910 census > is correct. Mary isn't even included in the # of children - it only > includes the sons that Louisa had with William. (There was a son that died > - I have the death record.) She was definitely married to Maxin/Marion > before William. And, yes, Sapolise is Louisa - just a very poorly recorded > or transcribed record. I just wish she had consistently been recorded as > Boyer or Bayer. > > I have had one family plot researched and Louisa isn't in it. (I have to > check my records, but William isn't either as I recall.) There are numerous > Lebrecht plots at Lutheran All Faiths - I just have to locate the other > plots. Does anyone know if the cemetary still does plot searches? I had one > done years ago and found lots of information with just 1 death record. I > didin't see that as an option on their website when I looked recently. > > Lisa > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Per the 1910 census, Louise Lebright is the mother of 6 children, 5 >> living, which appears to indicate that Mary died between 1900 and 1910 >> since she is listed on the 1900 census, but not the 1910, although she >> could have married as she would have been about 18 then, but then Louise >> appears to have lost one child, probably Mary. Louise is also listed as >> this being her first marriage. Mary was born in late 1892 and Louisa >> married in 1893, hmmm ....... >> >> Might Sapolise be a misunderstanding for Louisa? You should look at the >> document copy yourself, not just the index >> >> Census immigration year of arrival seems to be a consistent 1891 over >> several censuses. >> >> You might check family cemetery plots to see if Mary is listed. >> >> Margaret >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lisa Thompson via <[email protected]> >> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 11:28 am >> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Maxin BOYER or Marian BAYER? >> >> I should add a few things - >> >> Louisa married William Lebrecht in 1893, so if >> Marian/Maxin died, it would >> be after the 1892 census but before May >> 1893. >> >> Louisa used her (first) married name on the birth certificates of her >> first >> two children with William. Still no clarification on the Boyer/Bayer >> issue, >> as she was Louise BAYER LEBRECHT on George's 1902 birth and Sapolise >> BOYER >> on Howard's 1899 birth. (Not sure where Sapolise came from - whether it's >> a >> bad transcription error or what.) >> >> Lisa >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:30 >> PM, Lisa Thompson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I recently discovered that >> my great grandmother, Louisa Murray (b. 1871 in >>> England) had a first husband, >> by which she had a child named Mary. (Mary >>> is enumerated as Mary Lebright in >> the 1900 census for Manhattan with Louisa >>> and my great grandfather, William >> Lebright. Husband #1's existence cleared >>> up the mystery of the previously >> unheard of daughter.) >>> I know Louisa Murray immigrated to NYC between 1881 >> and 1891. I can only >>> find two documents referencing her first husband: >>> >> Mary's 1892 birth on familysearch.org, where her father is listed as >>> Marian >> BAYER >>> Louisa & Marian in the 1892 state census, where he is listed as Maxin >> BOYER >>> I haven't had any luck turning up a death certificate for him. The >> 1892 >>> census says is birthplace is NJ but I can't find him in the NY or NJ >> census >>> other than 1892. (My grandmother was a devout churchgoer, so the >> thought of >>> a divorce seems impossible.) >>> >>> After 1900, I can't find Mary. >> I've tried finding a marriage for her as >>> both Mary Bayer/Boyer and as Mary >> Lebright/Lebrecht. Can't find a death >>> record, either. >>> >>> I've tried >> Findmypast, Italiangen and Familysearch.com. I haven't had any >>> luck in the >> past on Ancestry, but haven't been able to visit my local FHL >>> or library to >> check recently. >>> Any suggestions appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> >> Lisa >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the >> list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

The deceased child isn't Mary. None of that information on the 1910 census is correct. Mary isn't even included in the # of children - it only includes the sons that Louisa had with William. (There was a son that died - I have the death record.) She was definitely married to Maxin/Marion before William. And, yes, Sapolise is Louisa - just a very poorly recorded or transcribed record. I just wish she had consistently been recorded as Boyer or Bayer. I have had one family plot researched and Louisa isn't in it. (I have to check my records, but William isn't either as I recall.) There are numerous Lebrecht plots at Lutheran All Faiths - I just have to locate the other plots. Does anyone know if the cemetary still does plot searches? I had one done years ago and found lots of information with just 1 death record. I didin't see that as an option on their website when I looked recently. Lisa On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Per the 1910 census, Louise Lebright is the mother of 6 children, 5 > living, which appears to indicate that Mary died between 1900 and 1910 > since she is listed on the 1900 census, but not the 1910, although she > could have married as she would have been about 18 then, but then Louise > appears to have lost one child, probably Mary. Louise is also listed as > this being her first marriage. Mary was born in late 1892 and Louisa > married in 1893, hmmm ....... > > Might Sapolise be a misunderstanding for Louisa? You should look at the > document copy yourself, not just the index > > Census immigration year of arrival seems to be a consistent 1891 over > several censuses. > > You might check family cemetery plots to see if Mary is listed. > > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisa Thompson via <[email protected]> > To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 11:28 am > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Maxin BOYER or Marian BAYER? > > I should add a few things - > > Louisa married William Lebrecht in 1893, so if > Marian/Maxin died, it would > be after the 1892 census but before May > 1893. > > Louisa used her (first) married name on the birth certificates of her > first > two children with William. Still no clarification on the Boyer/Bayer > issue, > as she was Louise BAYER LEBRECHT on George's 1902 birth and Sapolise > BOYER > on Howard's 1899 birth. (Not sure where Sapolise came from - whether it's > a > bad transcription error or what.) > > Lisa > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:30 > PM, Lisa Thompson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I recently discovered that > my great grandmother, Louisa Murray (b. 1871 in > > England) had a first husband, > by which she had a child named Mary. (Mary > > is enumerated as Mary Lebright in > the 1900 census for Manhattan with Louisa > > and my great grandfather, William > Lebright. Husband #1's existence cleared > > up the mystery of the previously > unheard of daughter.) > > > > I know Louisa Murray immigrated to NYC between 1881 > and 1891. I can only > > find two documents referencing her first husband: > > > Mary's 1892 birth on familysearch.org, where her father is listed as > > Marian > BAYER > > Louisa & Marian in the 1892 state census, where he is listed as Maxin > BOYER > > > > I haven't had any luck turning up a death certificate for him. The > 1892 > > census says is birthplace is NJ but I can't find him in the NY or NJ > census > > other than 1892. (My grandmother was a devout churchgoer, so the > thought of > > a divorce seems impossible.) > > > > After 1900, I can't find Mary. > I've tried finding a marriage for her as > > both Mary Bayer/Boyer and as Mary > Lebright/Lebrecht. Can't find a death > > record, either. > > > > I've tried > Findmypast, Italiangen and Familysearch.com. I haven't had any > > luck in the > past on Ancestry, but haven't been able to visit my local FHL > > or library to > check recently. > > > > Any suggestions appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the > list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Per the 1910 census, Louise Lebright is the mother of 6 children, 5 living, which appears to indicate that Mary died between 1900 and 1910 since she is listed on the 1900 census, but not the 1910, although she could have married as she would have been about 18 then, but then Louise appears to have lost one child, probably Mary. Louise is also listed as this being her first marriage. Mary was born in late 1892 and Louisa married in 1893, hmmm ....... Might Sapolise be a misunderstanding for Louisa? You should look at the document copy yourself, not just the index Census immigration year of arrival seems to be a consistent 1891 over several censuses. You might check family cemetery plots to see if Mary is listed. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Thompson via <[email protected]> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 11:28 am Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Maxin BOYER or Marian BAYER? I should add a few things - Louisa married William Lebrecht in 1893, so if Marian/Maxin died, it would be after the 1892 census but before May 1893. Louisa used her (first) married name on the birth certificates of her first two children with William. Still no clarification on the Boyer/Bayer issue, as she was Louise BAYER LEBRECHT on George's 1902 birth and Sapolise BOYER on Howard's 1899 birth. (Not sure where Sapolise came from - whether it's a bad transcription error or what.) Lisa On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Lisa Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently discovered that my great grandmother, Louisa Murray (b. 1871 in > England) had a first husband, by which she had a child named Mary. (Mary > is enumerated as Mary Lebright in the 1900 census for Manhattan with Louisa > and my great grandfather, William Lebright. Husband #1's existence cleared > up the mystery of the previously unheard of daughter.) > > I know Louisa Murray immigrated to NYC between 1881 and 1891. I can only > find two documents referencing her first husband: > Mary's 1892 birth on familysearch.org, where her father is listed as > Marian BAYER > Louisa & Marian in the 1892 state census, where he is listed as Maxin BOYER > > I haven't had any luck turning up a death certificate for him. The 1892 > census says is birthplace is NJ but I can't find him in the NY or NJ census > other than 1892. (My grandmother was a devout churchgoer, so the thought of > a divorce seems impossible.) > > After 1900, I can't find Mary. I've tried finding a marriage for her as > both Mary Bayer/Boyer and as Mary Lebright/Lebrecht. Can't find a death > record, either. > > I've tried Findmypast, Italiangen and Familysearch.com. I haven't had any > luck in the past on Ancestry, but haven't been able to visit my local FHL > or library to check recently. > > Any suggestions appreciated. > Thanks, > Lisa > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My grandfather was in his 50's for the WWII draft cards. He was sent to Washington State to work in the shipyards... Not sure doing what. His dormitory address was added yo the card. Not sure if he volunteered or was sent. My grandmother went to a Defense laundry in Boston during that time. My mom and her sister lived in the W 21st St apt w their kids since both husbands were in the Navy. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

The draft cards you are referring to are those from 1942 and are colloquially known as the "Old Man Draft." That draft generally covered men born between 1877 and 1897, who were too old to serve in battle. It was meant to capture employment information so the army could determine if any men had skills they needed for the war effort. See http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/United_States_World_War_II_Draft_Records for more information. Michelle > On Mar 31, 2015, at 11:53 PM, Dorothy Schmid via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Think all men had to register for the draft, even after the WW's. My > Husband did. (register) I have gotten death certificates from NY > City. One has to pay for them in advance though and some have > incomplete information, but I found it worth doing and may yet do it > again. It also helps to have a death date, and burial information which > one can get from the cemetery. It also helps to know if there is an > alternate system and I do not. Good luck. > > >> On 3/31/2015 3:59 PM, Toni Evans via wrote: >> Hello to all you nice people who have sent in snippets of info and thoughts. >> The Draft Reg WW11 I did wonder if it was compulsory as why would a man with no legs register, I also have tried some newspapers with no luck and a reli has just said that they thought it had been a train accident but I guess it depends on the search phrase used what turns up. >> I would dearly love to get a couple of death certs but on reading the info on the net re NYC records it looks well nigh impossible unless anybody can tell me different and of course another hurdle is I live at the bottom of the world so would have to be through the net. Plus I am trying to get my head around the recording system for deaths even the records thrown up on Family Search.org have added to the confusion. >> >> Any thought or ideas would be welcome. >> Toni >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I should add a few things - Louisa married William Lebrecht in 1893, so if Marian/Maxin died, it would be after the 1892 census but before May 1893. Louisa used her (first) married name on the birth certificates of her first two children with William. Still no clarification on the Boyer/Bayer issue, as she was Louise BAYER LEBRECHT on George's 1902 birth and Sapolise BOYER on Howard's 1899 birth. (Not sure where Sapolise came from - whether it's a bad transcription error or what.) Lisa On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Lisa Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently discovered that my great grandmother, Louisa Murray (b. 1871 in > England) had a first husband, by which she had a child named Mary. (Mary > is enumerated as Mary Lebright in the 1900 census for Manhattan with Louisa > and my great grandfather, William Lebright. Husband #1's existence cleared > up the mystery of the previously unheard of daughter.) > > I know Louisa Murray immigrated to NYC between 1881 and 1891. I can only > find two documents referencing her first husband: > Mary's 1892 birth on familysearch.org, where her father is listed as > Marian BAYER > Louisa & Marian in the 1892 state census, where he is listed as Maxin BOYER > > I haven't had any luck turning up a death certificate for him. The 1892 > census says is birthplace is NJ but I can't find him in the NY or NJ census > other than 1892. (My grandmother was a devout churchgoer, so the thought of > a divorce seems impossible.) > > After 1900, I can't find Mary. I've tried finding a marriage for her as > both Mary Bayer/Boyer and as Mary Lebright/Lebrecht. Can't find a death > record, either. > > I've tried Findmypast, Italiangen and Familysearch.com. I haven't had any > luck in the past on Ancestry, but haven't been able to visit my local FHL > or library to check recently. > > Any suggestions appreciated. > Thanks, > Lisa > > > >