Sorry, I know how clunky family search catalog place name use is, and I have just tried that to no avail. I used Joyce's link that took me to a list of NY counties, chose New York County (for Manhattan), and got a list of probate reels. Near the end was an index made later for volumes up to the 20th century, I used that to get the vol. number. Then I clicked on that volume number. Of course I do nto have Joyce's link handy and am rushing at 7 AM to leave the house. Her link will be saved of course on this mailing list. Elizabeth On 4/9/2015 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > this is the only link LDS has to will and probate for NTY > > > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1&countryId=22&recordType=Legal

this is the only link LDS has to will and probate for NTY https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1&countryId=22&recordType=Legal -----Original Message----- From: metronycancestry via <[email protected]> To: knowltonew <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Apr 8, 2015 8:20 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] NYC-ROOTS How to find wills on familysearch.org Please post the link to Wills of the era of your Peter. [email protected] I repeated my search for PeterDeWitt (d 1810 Harlem) in New York County recently to see how easy it was todo on line and discovered there was an index that covered all the volumes fromlate 18th century up into the 20th. Only three Peters, only one in 1810,vol. 48, and then the number that turned out to be the original page numberof an older volume (Liber) because these volumes had all been transcribed, byhand, at a later date (so no original signatures). But that original pagenumber was written into the left column of the transcribed volumes wheneverthe transcriber turned the page of the old volume. So it took only a coupleof minutes of clicking around in the familysearch.org scans to find PeterDeWitt's will again with both his sons' names. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please post the link to Wills of the era of your Peter. [email protected] I repeated my search for PeterDeWitt (d 1810 Harlem) in New York County recently to see how easy it was todo on line and discovered there was an index that covered all the volumes fromlate 18th century up into the 20th. Only three Peters, only one in 1810,vol. 48, and then the number that turned out to be the original page numberof an older volume (Liber) because these volumes had all been transcribed, byhand, at a later date (so no original signatures). But that original pagenumber was written into the left column of the transcribed volumes wheneverthe transcriber turned the page of the old volume. So it took only a coupleof minutes of clicking around in the familysearch.org scans to find PeterDeWitt's will again with both his sons' names.

Thanks for the info but I can not find the email address you mentioned. Could you please list it again. Barbara Lettiere [email protected] On Tue, 07 Apr 2015 01:00:29 -0600 [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: How to find wills on familysearch.org > ([email protected]) > 2. Re: How to find wills on familysearch.org (Dolly Hauf) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:03:44 GMT >From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] How to find wills on familysearch.org > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > ?F gf ?c1 > Sent from my LG Optimus L70?, a Cricket 4G smartphone > > > ------ Original message------From: Joyce Presnall via Date: Sat, Apr >4, 2015 1:39 PMTo: [email protected];Joyce Presnall;Subject:Re: >[NYC-ROOTS] How to find wills on familysearch.orgI have made a WORD >doc with step by step instructions and pictures. If youwant it >please email me OFF LIST preferably @ the wrdsrus address -put >insubject "need instructions of familysearch Wills" and I will email >you theWORD document that explains step by step and shows you >pictures. Metro Iwill email you a copy from my WRDSRUS address. > Please let me know if itcomes out OK for you.Have a great day >everyone.JoyceOn Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Joyce Presnall wrote:> > This is a LOT easier to explain via pictures, so if enough people >are> interested in this method, I will make a word document that >shows in> pictures how to do this. The drawback to communicating via >lists is that> you cannot enclose snippings of how to do this.>> If >anyone wants step by step pictures on how to do this, rep! > ly to me> offlist at the wrdsrus address and I will put together a >WORD doc that> clearly shows what I am talking about.>> I do hope the >wrdsrus email addy shows up here...I am not great at using> gmail and >it will be easier for me to respond via my aol address.>> Metro if >you want this is step by step with pictures, let me know...I'll> be >glad to draft a WORD document that will take you step by step...it is >a> LOT easier than it sounds and is very hard to describe in words.>> >If I send you pictures step by step, and then you follow along by> >searching whatever name YOU are looking for you will "get it" right >away.> It just sounds complicated, but it is not.>> Joyce>>-- >Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, >Rubino,Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, >Erickson,Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, >Beard, Rogers,Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, >Stone, Sparke,Bayley, Bailey, Redfield,! > Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk,Norton, Gerard, >and > many more... -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the >list, please send an email to [email protected] with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 21:43:43 +0000 (UTC) >From: Dolly Hauf <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] How to find wills on familysearch.org > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I would like the list that you have put together. Very nice of you >to do that ! > [email protected] > > > On Monday, April 6, 2015 2:08 PM, "[email protected] via" ><[email protected]> wrote: > > > ? ? ?F gf ?c1 > Sent from my LG Optimus L70?, a Cricket 4G smartphone > > > ------ Original message------From: Joyce Presnall via Date: Sat, Apr >4, 2015 1:39 PMTo: [email protected];Joyce Presnall;Subject:Re: >[NYC-ROOTS] How to find wills on familysearch.orgI have made a WORD >doc with step by step instructions and pictures.? If youwant it >please email me OFF LIST preferably @ the wrdsrus address -put >insubject "need instructions of familysearch Wills" and I will email >you theWORD document that explains step by step and shows you >pictures.? Metro Iwill email you a copy from my WRDSRUS address.? >Please let me know if itcomes out OK for you.Have a great day >everyone.JoyceOn Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Joyce Presnall? >wrote:>? This is a LOT easier to explain via pictures, so if enough >people are> interested in this method, I will make a word document >that shows in> pictures how to do this.? The drawback to >communicating via lists is that> you cannot enclose snippings of how >to do this.>> If anyone wants step by step pictures on how to do >this, rep! > ly to me> offlist at the wrdsrus address and I will put together a >WORD doc that> clearly shows what I am talking about.>> I do hope the >wrdsrus email addy shows up here...I am not great at using> gmail and >it will be easier for me to respond via my aol address.>> Metro if >you want this is step by step with pictures, let me know...I'll> be >glad to draft a WORD document that will take you step by step...it is >a> LOT easier than it sounds and is very hard to describe in words.>> >If I send you pictures step by step, and then you follow along by> >searching whatever name YOU are looking for you will "get it" right >away.> It just sounds complicated, but it is not.>> Joyce>>-- >Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, >Rubino,Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, >Erickson,Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, >Beard, Rogers,Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, >Stone, Sparke,Bayley, Bailey, Redfield,! > Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk,Norton, Gerard, >and > many more... -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the >list, please send an email to [email protected] with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYC-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the NYC-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to >[email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYC-ROOTS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 70 > *****************************************

This has been an excellent exchange with great instructions on what to do. I know the wills on line (and also land records) are not of much use to people researching recent inhabitants of New York, but always at least look to see if there are records. It was my failing to do so for my supposed great grandparents (also supposedly poor) that kept me from knowing my grandmother was adopted for so long. More recent work on Wilkinses and DeWitts in the early 19th century has been very productive. I repeated my search for Peter DeWitt (d 1810 Harlem) in New York County recently to see how easy it was to do on line and discovered there was an index that covered all the volumes from late 18th century up into the 20th. Only three Peters, only one in 1810, vol. 48, and then the number that turned out to be the original page number of an older volume (Liber) because these volumes had all been transcribed, by hand, at a later date (so no original signatures). But that original page number was written into the left column of the transcribed volumes whenever the transcriber turned the page of the old volume. So it took only a couple of minutes of clicking around in the familysearch.org scans to find Peter DeWitt's will again with both his sons' names. And remember that the filmed records of LDS are still available by rental at a Family History Center even if they do not have them scanned yet. Also eventually one will be able to search these images the way we search typed ones. Since the work is all done by volunteers, the outcome is free. Elizabeth On 4/7/2015 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Re: How to find wills on familysearch.org

I would like the list that you have put together. Very nice of you to do that ! [email protected] On Monday, April 6, 2015 2:08 PM, "[email protected] via" <[email protected]> wrote:      F gf  c1 Sent from my LG Optimus L70™, a Cricket 4G smartphone ------ Original message------From: Joyce Presnall via Date: Sat, Apr 4, 2015 1:39 PMTo: [email protected];Joyce Presnall;Subject:Re: [NYC-ROOTS] How to find wills on familysearch.orgI have made a WORD doc with step by step instructions and pictures.  If youwant it please email me OFF LIST preferably @ the wrdsrus address -put insubject "need instructions of familysearch Wills" and I will email you theWORD document that explains step by step and shows you pictures.  Metro Iwill email you a copy from my WRDSRUS address.  Please let me know if itcomes out OK for you.Have a great day everyone.JoyceOn Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Joyce Presnall  wrote:>  This is a LOT easier to explain via pictures, so if enough people are> interested in this method, I will make a word document that shows in> pictures how to do this.  The drawback to communicating via lists is that> you cannot enclose snippings of how to do this.>> If anyone wants step by step pictures on how to do this, reply to me> offlist at the wrdsrus address and I will put together a WORD doc that> clearly shows what I am talking about.>> I do hope the wrdsrus email addy shows up here...I am not great at using> gmail and it will be easier for me to respond via my aol address.>> Metro if you want this is step by step with pictures, let me know...I'll> be glad to draft a WORD document that will take you step by step...it is a> LOT easier than it sounds and is very hard to describe in words.>> If I send you pictures step by step, and then you follow along by> searching whatever name YOU are looking for you will "get it" right away.> It just sounds complicated, but it is not.>> Joyce>>-- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino,Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson,Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers,Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke,Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk,Norton, Gerard, and many more... -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

 F gf  c1 Sent from my LG Optimus L70™, a Cricket 4G smartphone ------ Original message------From: Joyce Presnall via Date: Sat, Apr 4, 2015 1:39 PMTo: [email protected];Joyce Presnall;Subject:Re: [NYC-ROOTS] How to find wills on familysearch.orgI have made a WORD doc with step by step instructions and pictures. If youwant it please email me OFF LIST preferably @ the wrdsrus address -put insubject "need instructions of familysearch Wills" and I will email you theWORD document that explains step by step and shows you pictures. Metro Iwill email you a copy from my WRDSRUS address. Please let me know if itcomes out OK for you.Have a great day everyone.JoyceOn Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Joyce Presnall wrote:> This is a LOT easier to explain via pictures, so if enough people are> interested in this method, I will make a word document that shows in> pictures how to do this. The drawback to communicating via lists is that> you cannot enclose snippings of how to do this.>> If anyone wants step by step pictures on how to do this, reply to me> offlist at the wrdsrus address and I will put together a WORD doc that> clearly shows what I am talking about.>> I do hope the wrdsrus email addy shows up here...I am not great at using> gmail and it will be easier for me to respond via my aol address.>> Metro if you want this is step by step with pictures, let me know...I'll> be glad to draft a WORD document that will take you step by step...it is a> LOT easier than it sounds and is very hard to describe in words.>> If I send you pictures step by step, and then you follow along by> searching whatever name YOU are looking for you will "get it" right away.> It just sounds complicated, but it is not.>> Joyce>>-- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino,Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson,Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers,Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke,Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk,Norton, Gerard, and m any more... -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Isn't it $75. per will look up plus .50 per page? -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Kiersh via <[email protected]> To: Christine Clark <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2015 8:53 am Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Not all wills digitized Hi Christine, Well, a trip to Brooklyn is not possible. I'd like to have those wills, particularly Ray's, as I didn't know she had one. It could reveal some interesting information. But, I also can't pay $75.00 per will either, so I'll just have to leave it at that. Thanks for the information and I'll consider it if I ever get to Brooklyn. Barbara On Sunday, April 5, 2015 7:59 AM, Christine Clark via <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Barbara, You are correct in that all are not digitized and available online. I spoke with kings county Surrogates last year and if you do the look up at their Johnson Street location it is free and you'd pay for copies unless you take a picture with a mobile device. If they do it it is $75, at least at that time. An 1898 will was a goldmine for me as it talked about his son he left in England, the name of his first wife and where the son lived, which I hadn't known previously. If you have a brick wall with these folks, it might be worth it but if it is just to have it in your files, then $75 is a big sum, IMO. > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) > From: Barbara Kiersh <[email protected]> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] not all wills digitized > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ? Joyce and list, > For many of us, our search ends at the General Index.? The years I wanted was 1947 and 1951, Kings County.? These years are only on index cards.? I found the cards I wanted and that's where my search ends.? My grandfather, Sam Kessler's card reads 8762-51, Oct 28, 1951 (which is the date of his death) and then his address at time of death.? No doubt this is him, but I'm not able to go any further.? His second wife's index card is even more sparse, and if I didn't know the date of her death I wouldn't know it was her.? Her card reads Ray Kessler, 4596-47, May 10, 1947.? Obviously the numbers 51 and 47 indicated the years of death.? I don't know what the first numbers refer to, perhaps file number.? But I would still have to order these wills from Kings County Probate Court and pay for them.? Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they would cost.? I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > - > > them.? Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they would cost.? I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One can get a list of all LDS holdings by country, state state at https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list It least everything that is searchable and browesable -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> To: Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>; NY-IRISH <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2015 6:00 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] New York County Wills at familysearch.org arranged differently Found a searchable link for these files, after I went through them one by one the other way LOL https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1466356 On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen < [email protected]> wrote: > Joyce and all, > This is not exactly true. If you read the entire court document, > hopefully you will see, as I did with the 5 that I found, the details of > the will spelled out after the proving is done. > > > >> -- >> Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, >> Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, >> Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, >> Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, >> Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, >> Kirk, >> Norton, Gerard, and many more... >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was reading the thread about finding a will and I have one Im looking for.  Where would it be digitized if it was online?  I looked on familysearch.org but didn't find one.  I saw on the old fulton webpage that she had one.   Her name was Ingeborg Osterby and she died June 8, 1947 in Queens, NY.  Thanks. Kim [email protected]

Found a searchable link for these files, after I went through them one by one the other way LOL https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1466356 On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen < [email protected]> wrote: > Joyce and all, > This is not exactly true. If you read the entire court document, > hopefully you will see, as I did with the 5 that I found, the details of > the will spelled out after the proving is done. > > > >> -- >> Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, >> Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, >> Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, >> Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, >> Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, >> Kirk, >> Norton, Gerard, and many more... >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

Hi Christine, Well, a trip to Brooklyn is not possible.  I'd like to have those wills, particularly Ray's, as I didn't know she had one.  It could reveal some interesting information.  But, I also can't pay $75.00 per will either, so I'll just have to leave it at that.  Thanks for the information and I'll consider it if I ever get to Brooklyn. Barbara On Sunday, April 5, 2015 7:59 AM, Christine Clark via <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Barbara, You are correct in that all are not digitized and available online. I spoke with kings county Surrogates last year and if you do the look up at their Johnson Street location it is free and you'd pay for copies unless you take a picture with a mobile device. If they do it it is $75, at least at that time.  An 1898 will was a goldmine for me as it talked about his son he left in England, the name of his first wife and where the son lived, which I hadn't  known previously.  If you have a brick wall with these folks, it might be worth it but if it is just to have it in your files, then $75 is a big sum, IMO. > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) > From: Barbara Kiersh <[email protected]> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] not all wills digitized > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: >    <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ? Joyce and list, > For many of us, our search ends at the General Index.? The years I wanted was 1947 and 1951, Kings County.? These years are only on index cards.? I found the cards I wanted and that's where my search ends.? My grandfather, Sam Kessler's card reads 8762-51, Oct 28, 1951 (which is the date of his death) and then his address at time of death.? No doubt this is him, but I'm not able to go any further.? His second wife's index card is even more sparse, and if I didn't know the date of her death I wouldn't know it was her.? Her card reads Ray Kessler, 4596-47, May 10, 1947.? Obviously the numbers 51 and 47 indicated the years of death.? I don't know what the first numbers refer to, perhaps file number.? But I would still have to order these wills from Kings County Probate Court and pay for them.? Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they would cost.? I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > - > >  them.? Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they would cost.? I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would be interested in an index looking for wills from 1960-1980. Any leads on this Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 5, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Kim Hawkins Bonetti via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I was reading the thread about finding a will and I have one Im looking for. Where would it be digitized if it was online? I looked on familysearch.org but didn't find one. I saw on the old fulton webpage that she had one. Her name was Ingeborg Osterby and she died June 8, 1947 in Queens, NY. Thanks. > > Kim > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joyce and all, This is not exactly true. If you read the entire court document, hopefully you will see, as I did with the 5 that I found, the details of the will spelled out after the proving is done. In other words, the beginning of the documents prove that those making the claim and the contents of the will are true and then the wishes of the deceased are spelled out. Happy hunting, Gail Jorgensen ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~ On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> wrote: > While searching yesterday I noticed New York County is not set up like the > other counties I have looked at. > > For them, will seem to be arranged a few years at a time in alphabetical > order, so check the lists for wills in the time frame and last name you are > looking for. The index at the bottom that says will index, is not an index > for the wills at all. It is a list of testators. It probably won't help > you. > > Newer wills (from about the 40's to present) are not indexed BUT many have > index cards with a different type of numbering system. Those newer wills > probably need to be obtained on a local level. > > It probably has to do with NY State privacy laws OR familysearch just does > not have the newer stuff in their files yet. > > Many people die without a will, so checking the probate files might help > you also when you search. There are a lot of different types of files on > the page I sent out, so explore the others a bit too. > > The files are huge BUT you won't always find the person you are looking > for. > > Happy Hunting > > Have a great day > > Joyce > > -- > Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, > Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, > Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, > Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, > Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, > Norton, Gerard, and many more... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I found a link for Kings county probate/wills that is easy to search and I did successfully find a greatx2 grandmothers will. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-662-11299-4102-43?cc=1466356&wc=MPCW-R74:44954901,126828301,126885101#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2FMP7N-929%3A44954901%3Fcc%3D1466356 Gail Jorgensen ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~ On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> wrote: > I found yesterday while searching through KINGS that more recent wills are > not indexed, but for the newer ones there is a file # and you probably need > to go to local sources to get it. Many people did not have wills, but > there are also links for probate etc that you might want to look at for > those who died intestate. > > I am sure not every will that ever existed is in these files on > familysearch.org , but there are tons of them. With luck you will find the > one you need. > > I have had overwhelming responses asking for the WORD doc and in many cases > I sent them to many people at one time via BCC...so check your SPAM folders > if you have not heard back from me. If you did not get it for some reason, > email me again and I will resend. > > Have a great day > > Joyce > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 4:58 AM, Christine Clark via < > [email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Barbara, > > > > You are correct in that all are not digitized and available online. > > > > I spoke with kings county Surrogates last year and if you do the look up > > at their Johnson Street location it is free and you'd pay for copies > unless > > you take a picture with a mobile device. > > > > If they do it it is $75, at least at that time. > > > > An 1898 will was a goldmine for me as it talked about his son he left in > > England, the name of his first wife and where the son lived, which I > > hadn't known previously. > > > > If you have a brick wall with these folks, it might be worth it but if it > > is just to have it in your files, then $75 is a big sum, IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) > > > From: Barbara Kiersh <[email protected]> > > > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] not all wills digitized > > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > Message-ID: > > > <[email protected]> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > ? Joyce and list, > > > For many of us, our search ends at the General Index.? The years I > > wanted was 1947 and 1951, Kings County.? These years are only on index > > cards.? I found the cards I wanted and that's where my search ends.? My > > grandfather, Sam Kessler's card reads 8762-51, Oct 28, 1951 (which is the > > date of his death) and then his address at time of death.? No doubt this > is > > him, but I'm not able to go any further.? His second wife's index card is > > even more sparse, and if I didn't know the date of her death I wouldn't > > know it was her.? Her card reads Ray Kessler, 4596-47, May 10, 1947.? > > Obviously the numbers 51 and 47 indicated the years of death.? I don't > know > > what the first numbers refer to, perhaps file number.? But I would still > > have to order these wills from Kings County Probate Court and pay for > > them.? Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they > > would cost.? I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > > > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the > > digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > > > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > > > > > - > > > > > > them.? Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they > > would cost.? I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > > > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the > > digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > > > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, > Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, > Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, > Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, > Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, > Norton, Gerard, and many more... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In any of a number of places. I think the original post was about Familysearch. Documents are constantly being transcribed there, and the work is amazing, but it would be a miracle if they were all there. Individual counties across the country are beginning to digitize old records of varying ages, some recent, some very old, and you will find them on the county web sites; sometimes the specific department such as deeds or probate. Google can often find them. They're occasionally at Ancestry. Brief overviews of probate contents for some areas, like Pennsylvania Dutch areas of settlement in Pennsylvania, have been available for a long time; they were on CD and many are now at Ancestry. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Kim Hawkins Bonetti via Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 9:58 AM To: NYC Rootsweb ; NY Queens Rootsweb Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] finding a will I was reading the thread about finding a will and I have one Im looking for. Where would it be digitized if it was online? I looked on familysearch.org but didn't find one. I saw on the old fulton webpage that she had one. Her name was Ingeborg Osterby and she died June 8, 1947 in Queens, NY. Thanks. Kim [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

While searching yesterday I noticed New York County is not set up like the other counties I have looked at. For them, will seem to be arranged a few years at a time in alphabetical order, so check the lists for wills in the time frame and last name you are looking for. The index at the bottom that says will index, is not an index for the wills at all. It is a list of testators. It probably won't help you. Newer wills (from about the 40's to present) are not indexed BUT many have index cards with a different type of numbering system. Those newer wills probably need to be obtained on a local level. It probably has to do with NY State privacy laws OR familysearch just does not have the newer stuff in their files yet. Many people die without a will, so checking the probate files might help you also when you search. There are a lot of different types of files on the page I sent out, so explore the others a bit too. The files are huge BUT you won't always find the person you are looking for. Happy Hunting Have a great day Joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

I found yesterday while searching through KINGS that more recent wills are not indexed, but for the newer ones there is a file # and you probably need to go to local sources to get it. Many people did not have wills, but there are also links for probate etc that you might want to look at for those who died intestate. I am sure not every will that ever existed is in these files on familysearch.org , but there are tons of them. With luck you will find the one you need. I have had overwhelming responses asking for the WORD doc and in many cases I sent them to many people at one time via BCC...so check your SPAM folders if you have not heard back from me. If you did not get it for some reason, email me again and I will resend. Have a great day Joyce On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 4:58 AM, Christine Clark via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Barbara, > > You are correct in that all are not digitized and available online. > > I spoke with kings county Surrogates last year and if you do the look up > at their Johnson Street location it is free and you'd pay for copies unless > you take a picture with a mobile device. > > If they do it it is $75, at least at that time. > > An 1898 will was a goldmine for me as it talked about his son he left in > England, the name of his first wife and where the son lived, which I > hadn't known previously. > > If you have a brick wall with these folks, it might be worth it but if it > is just to have it in your files, then $75 is a big sum, IMO. > > > > > > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Barbara Kiersh <[email protected]> > > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] not all wills digitized > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > ? Joyce and list, > > For many of us, our search ends at the General Index.? The years I > wanted was 1947 and 1951, Kings County.? These years are only on index > cards.? I found the cards I wanted and that's where my search ends.? My > grandfather, Sam Kessler's card reads 8762-51, Oct 28, 1951 (which is the > date of his death) and then his address at time of death.? No doubt this is > him, but I'm not able to go any further.? His second wife's index card is > even more sparse, and if I didn't know the date of her death I wouldn't > know it was her.? Her card reads Ray Kessler, 4596-47, May 10, 1947.? > Obviously the numbers 51 and 47 indicated the years of death.? I don't know > what the first numbers refer to, perhaps file number.? But I would still > have to order these wills from Kings County Probate Court and pay for > them.? Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they > would cost.? I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the > digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > > > - > > > > them.? Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they > would cost.? I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the > digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

Sometimes someone in the locality will go look it up for you, but it sounds like not here today. Maybe everyone is busy. ;) There used to be a random genealogical acts of kindness web site, and you could find someone in your area and request one. The owner had to give it up, but it might have been regenerated. Also, I think there's an excellent chance that a local genealogist would charge less than $75 a document to go get your documents for you. I've had them charge me really reasonable fees for that sort of thing. Usually they get a bunch of peoples' documents together so it is worth their time. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Kiersh via Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 7:49 AM To: Christine Clark ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Not all wills digitized Hi Christine, Well, a trip to Brooklyn is not possible. I'd like to have those wills, particularly Ray's, as I didn't know she had one. It could reveal some interesting information. But, I also can't pay $75.00 per will either, so I'll just have to leave it at that. Thanks for the information and I'll consider it if I ever get to Brooklyn. Barbara On Sunday, April 5, 2015 7:59 AM, Christine Clark via <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Barbara, You are correct in that all are not digitized and available online. I spoke with kings county Surrogates last year and if you do the look up at their Johnson Street location it is free and you'd pay for copies unless you take a picture with a mobile device. If they do it it is $75, at least at that time. An 1898 will was a goldmine for me as it talked about his son he left in England, the name of his first wife and where the son lived, which I hadn't known previously. If you have a brick wall with these folks, it might be worth it but if it is just to have it in your files, then $75 is a big sum, IMO. > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) > From: Barbara Kiersh <[email protected]> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] not all wills digitized > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ? Joyce and list, > For many of us, our search ends at the General Index.? The years I wanted > was 1947 and 1951, Kings County.? These years are only on index cards.? I > found the cards I wanted and that's where my search ends.? My grandfather, > Sam Kessler's card reads 8762-51, Oct 28, 1951 (which is the date of his > death) and then his address at time of death.? No doubt this is him, but > I'm not able to go any further.? His second wife's index card is even more > sparse, and if I didn't know the date of her death I wouldn't know it was > her.? Her card reads Ray Kessler, 4596-47, May 10, 1947.? Obviously the > numbers 51 and 47 indicated the years of death.? I don't know what the > first numbers refer to, perhaps file number.? But I would still have to > order these wills from Kings County Probate Court and pay for them.? Yes, > I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they would cost.? > I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the > digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > - > > them.? Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they > would cost.? I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the > digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

These old documents are steadily being digitized by the counties themselves. Several years ago I worked at one of the companies that contracts to do the digital conversion, doing indexing . Not every county nor every area is yet involved, though, and every locality chooses what they will digitize. Sometimes it's by department, such as deeds, or probate. I was able to find a whole bunch of documents about a three times great grandfather in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, on the county web site. I learned who were the daughters who lived - and the names of their husbands, and that my 2x great grandmother's mother was a second wife. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Christine Clark via Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 6:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Not all wills digitized Hi Barbara, You are correct in that all are not digitized and available online. I spoke with kings county Surrogates last year and if you do the look up at their Johnson Street location it is free and you'd pay for copies unless you take a picture with a mobile device. If they do it it is $75, at least at that time. An 1898 will was a goldmine for me as it talked about his son he left in England, the name of his first wife and where the son lived, which I hadn't known previously. If you have a brick wall with these folks, it might be worth it but if it is just to have it in your files, then $75 is a big sum, IMO. > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) > From: Barbara Kiersh <[email protected]> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] not all wills digitized > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ? Joyce and list, > For many of us, our search ends at the General Index.? The years I wanted > was 1947 and 1951, Kings County.? These years are only on index cards.? I > found the cards I wanted and that's where my search ends.? My grandfather, > Sam Kessler's card reads 8762-51, Oct 28, 1951 (which is the date of his > death) and then his address at time of death.? No doubt this is him, but > I'm not able to go any further.? His second wife's index card is even more > sparse, and if I didn't know the date of her death I wouldn't know it was > her.? Her card reads Ray Kessler, 4596-47, May 10, 1947.? Obviously the > numbers 51 and 47 indicated the years of death.? I don't know what the > first numbers refer to, perhaps file number.? But I would still have to > order these wills from Kings County Probate Court and pay for them.? Yes, > I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they would cost.? > I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the > digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > - > > them.? Yes, I would like them but I haven't investigated how much they > would cost.? I'm assuming expensive.? Right now I'm unwilling to pay. > Joyce or perhaps another lister, if there's a way you know to see the > digitized image I would very much appreciate it. > Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL > > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com