I'm afraid I must disagree with your assumption about the number of people with wills.  Here's why: You can't compare the population at a stated point--1900 in this case--with the population over the period from 1866 to 1923.  The latter will of course be far larger, even accounting for duplication from year to year.  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The population at any point, including 1900, included many children.  This was an era of large families--scan the census.  These children did not have wills.  The number of children in the population would diminish the number of potential wills by a third, conservatively.------------------ Lastly, the 1,610,840 images in the Kings County Estate Files do not correlate with 1,610,840 individuals.  Each of the individuals has a minimum of four images.  Many individuals have 10, 20 or more images.  That too cuts down the number of potential wills considerably. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I stand by my statement that statistics indicate that most people did not have wills in that era. -------------------------------------- Virginia -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   From: Robert Pieterse <[email protected]>   In  1900  the  population  of  Brooklyn  was   | | 1,166,582  | New York, Kings County Estate Files, 1866-1923  contain  Browse through 1,610,840 images  To  me  that  does  not  support   your  comment I would think most people did not have wills.    -----Original Message----- From: VLB via <[email protected]> I would think most people did not have wills.  They just did not have much to leave and most of them just handed it over to family, it seems, without involving the courts. If you look at the number of wills on familysearch.org compared to the population of NYC, including Brooklyn, the latter vastly outnumbers the former.

I hope this helps many folks out as familysearch,org is a fantastic resource that I have only recently begun to tap into. Finding WHERE the info is located can be difficult but I learned a trick on a video I watched about a year ago. GOOGLE for almost any topic you can imagine, if you google the term with the words familysearch.org AT THE END OF YOUR SEARCH TERM you will get many hits. Usually what you are looking for is in the first few hits. YOU MUST ALREADY BE SIGNED INTO THE FAMILYSEARCH SITE BEFORE THE LINKS YOU GET WILL WORK DO NOT USE QUOTES IN YOUR GOOGLE SEARCH If you are looking for info about Queens County as an example google the terms Queens County, New York, familysearch.org If you are looking for death records anywhere in New York State google Death records New York State familysearch.org (doing that brought me to ALL vitals--birth marriage and death) https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/New_York_Vital_Records Use it to google town names that you need more info on and need local resources. ALWAYS google the town, county and state you are looking for in the same way, making sure terms familysearch,org are at the end of your search terms OR you will get an error message. You are going to be amazed at the info you will find. Here are a few handy ones chart with probate links all over the state https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/New_York_Probate_Records Link for CHART of ALL Federal and NY State Census' tells you exactly where NY State Census' were done--not ALL counties have NY State Census--Westchester is one that was skipped for many years (or destroyed) https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/New_York_Census Here is a page with tips on browsing Fulton Postcards https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Old_Fulton_NY_Post_Cards HERE is a link for a list of ALL of their Collections BUT looking that through can be a bit tedious so always try to "zero in" on what you are searching for first. https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list Many of the county and state links also have addresses for people to write to for information such as clerks offices, courts etc. There is tons of info on that site, and I hope this trick will help you find what you are looking for. I am going out of town soon, so if you see someone looking for the WORD doc and I have sent it to you, please be kind enough to send it to them. Please feel free AS ALWAYS to share anything I post to other lists In fact I encourage you to PLEASE share this info with other lists. The more we all know about where to find info the more successful we will be. We should ALL be helping one another with how to find information, especially when that info is free. There are many things you need in genealogy that DO cost $...you cannot get around some of those, so DO take advantage of free info. Have a great day Joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

Joyce, Do you have a recommendation to find a a Queens probate record for the 1960's? Thanks Deb Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Nobody ever said you will find everyone. > > I am finding people who did not own anything, or owned virtually nothing I > hve not been able to find. > > BUT there are tons of records, probate records, estate records, > guardianship records, Wills, Letters of Administration etc > > The Kings Co shortcut seems to be for Letters of Administrat.ion > > You can only say you cannot find folks when you have looked through ALL of > the various categories--but there is no way you will find everyone. > > In earlier times it probably was not necessary to file legal documents on > EVERY single death that occurred. > > One thing I have noticed since then is that surrogate filings are also > listed on Fulton Postcards in newspapers. > > On familysearch.org some things are filed by year and alpha category by > last name. > > > > The links I posted are not a "miracle" site LOL BUT if something exists you > should be able to find it there...but it takes some looking. Check ALL the > categories for the people you are looking for--but if they did not own > homes, or had not accrued a decent amount of $ you probably won't find > them...BUT I have been surprised by finding some of those folks as well. > > For the ancestors I KNOW had no money, and rented their homes or > apartments, I am generally finding nothing on them. BUT occasionally I do > find something...so it is worth looking. When you DO find something, often > you can find other family members names--some of which you may not know, > some of which are written by their married names which tells you who the > females married > > This is genealogy...you are never going to find everything on everyone. > Especially if they moved around a lot, which was common when people rented > rather than owned their homes. > > Joyce > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Suzanne Brayer via <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> If they had no will and there was property, there would be probate records. >> >>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:17 PM, VLB via <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I would think most people did not have wills. They just did not have >> much >>> to leave and most of them just handed it over to family, it seems, >> without >>> involving the courts. If you look at the number of wills on >>> familysearch.org compared to the population of NYC, including Brooklyn, >>> the latter vastly outnumbers the former. >>> I searched two gt gt grandfathers who I know owned real estate but found >>> no wills. >>> My guess is that it was a simpler time as well where you could do things >>> like that, unlike today.Virginia >>> From: MICHAEL CARNER via <[email protected]> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well said Joyce! When I'm going to say next maybe taken offensively by some people but it is meant to be helpful and I hope it can be taken as it is meant. As I have waded through many of the follow-up questions and comments to Joyce's original posting about the family search index, I have found that many people have not read The original posting and perhaps suggest read follow ups. This has led to unnecessary questions for Joyce to which she must respond and refer her back to her original posting which can be time-consuming and frustrating. She may not feel this way but as someone who follows the posts I get frustrated. If people would take the time to read the original post and some of the follow-up questions it would perhaps alleviate repetitive and perhaps silly questions Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ > On Apr 14, 2015, at 09:42, Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Nobody ever said you will find everyone. > > I am finding people who did not own anything, or owned virtually nothing I > hve not been able to find. > > BUT there are tons of records, probate records, estate records, > guardianship records, Wills, Letters of Administration etc > > The Kings Co shortcut seems to be for Letters of Administrat.ion > > You can only say you cannot find folks when you have looked through ALL of > the various categories--but there is no way you will find everyone. > > In earlier times it probably was not necessary to file legal documents on > EVERY single death that occurred. > > One thing I have noticed since then is that surrogate filings are also > listed on Fulton Postcards in newspapers. > > On familysearch.org some things are filed by year and alpha category by > last name. > > > > The links I posted are not a "miracle" site LOL BUT if something exists you > should be able to find it there...but it takes some looking. Check ALL the > categories for the people you are looking for--but if they did not own > homes, or had not accrued a decent amount of $ you probably won't find > them...BUT I have been surprised by finding some of those folks as well. > > For the ancestors I KNOW had no money, and rented their homes or > apartments, I am generally finding nothing on them. BUT occasionally I do > find something...so it is worth looking. When you DO find something, often > you can find other family members names--some of which you may not know, > some of which are written by their married names which tells you who the > females married > > This is genealogy...you are never going to find everything on everyone. > Especially if they moved around a lot, which was common when people rented > rather than owned their homes. > > Joyce > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Suzanne Brayer via <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> If they had no will and there was property, there would be probate records. >> >>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:17 PM, VLB via <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I would think most people did not have wills. They just did not have >> much >>> to leave and most of them just handed it over to family, it seems, >> without >>> involving the courts. If you look at the number of wills on >>> familysearch.org compared to the population of NYC, including Brooklyn, >>> the latter vastly outnumbers the former. >>> I searched two gt gt grandfathers who I know owned real estate but found >>> no wills. >>> My guess is that it was a simpler time as well where you could do things >>> like that, unlike today.Virginia >>> From: MICHAEL CARNER via <[email protected]> >>> >>> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nobody ever said you will find everyone. I am finding people who did not own anything, or owned virtually nothing I hve not been able to find. BUT there are tons of records, probate records, estate records, guardianship records, Wills, Letters of Administration etc The Kings Co shortcut seems to be for Letters of Administrat.ion You can only say you cannot find folks when you have looked through ALL of the various categories--but there is no way you will find everyone. In earlier times it probably was not necessary to file legal documents on EVERY single death that occurred. One thing I have noticed since then is that surrogate filings are also listed on Fulton Postcards in newspapers. On familysearch.org some things are filed by year and alpha category by last name. The links I posted are not a "miracle" site LOL BUT if something exists you should be able to find it there...but it takes some looking. Check ALL the categories for the people you are looking for--but if they did not own homes, or had not accrued a decent amount of $ you probably won't find them...BUT I have been surprised by finding some of those folks as well. For the ancestors I KNOW had no money, and rented their homes or apartments, I am generally finding nothing on them. BUT occasionally I do find something...so it is worth looking. When you DO find something, often you can find other family members names--some of which you may not know, some of which are written by their married names which tells you who the females married This is genealogy...you are never going to find everything on everyone. Especially if they moved around a lot, which was common when people rented rather than owned their homes. Joyce On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Suzanne Brayer via <[email protected]> wrote: > If they had no will and there was property, there would be probate records. > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:17 PM, VLB via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I would think most people did not have wills. They just did not have > much > > to leave and most of them just handed it over to family, it seems, > without > > involving the courts. If you look at the number of wills on > > familysearch.org compared to the population of NYC, including Brooklyn, > > the latter vastly outnumbers the former. > > I searched two gt gt grandfathers who I know owned real estate but found > > no wills. > > My guess is that it was a simpler time as well where you could do things > > like that, unlike today.Virginia > > From: MICHAEL CARNER via <[email protected]> > > > > >

Elizabeth here is the original post which folks found confusing...the WORD doc is MUCH easier to follow as it shows step by step pictures. I just discovered something you might know or you might not. I am trying to break down a MAJOR wall with my Haight family and found a way on familysearch.org that may help ME so it may help YOU too....I am finding more and more that familysearch often has answers not found elsewhere--the key is to finding them. THAT is the tricky part. To find NY State Wills go to this link on familysearch https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1920234/waypoints You will come to a list of counties--- Choose your county and then you will come to an alphabetical list for various links for probate records or Wills and Administration index <https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2F9VSM-4WP%3A213301001%2C215509101%3Fcc%3D1920234&1&leaf=true> On the lists I looked at the files you are looking for seem to be at the end of the list (don't ask my WHY they put the index last LOL) Look for the alpha listing for the last name you are looking for. They are in alphabetical order. Each county is set up a bit differently but what you are looking for is the Volume# and Entry # number where the will is located. Once you find the vol # and page # you can easily find the will you are looking for. This takes a bit of "poking around" as each will varies in length, and the #'s the give you is NOT the page # but it is the file #. This is where the "researcher" in you comes out. Skip around a bit to locate the page where your file # is located. THERE you will find the entire will for the person you are looking for. Here is an example for one person I did as "visual" always helps ME to figure things out. The person I am doing is Aaron Haight in Westchester County. First I go here and choose the county https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-28663-34995-0?cc=1920234&wc=9V36-YWG:213305501,234535401#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fcollection%2F1920234%2Fwaypoints Then I went here and chose Westchester - "Wills and letters index 1813-1983 Gurska, Agnes-Hanlon, James" - - THEN comes the searching for where the name HAIGHT starts, and I copied all the Haights to my WORD file so I could look them up one at a time.-- <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-28663-34995-0?cc=1920234&wc=9V36-YWG:213305501,234535401#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2F9V36-YWG%3A213305501%2C234535401%3Fcc%3D1920234&1&leaf=true> - - Once I have them all organized so I can go through one by one-- I look at the Vol # and page # for the person I am looking for-- - - the way the files are set up are a bit different for each county though. Westchester happens to also include the probate court heating in upper R corner. - - Then you go back to the 1st search page and find the link for the right Vol # and year...and then "hunt" for the file #. Since wills are different lengths, you have to skip around until you get to the right area. For good old Aaron it is here... https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2F9VSR-VZ3%3A213305501%3Fcc%3D1920234 No need to pay someone for "pig in a poke" and ordering will info on people in a county when you really don't know who you are looking for. You CAN find this info yourself! It takes some time and patience, but you CAN find wills on the people you are looking for all by yourself! Why would you want to pay someone to get info that is free? It just takes a little time to find out about the person you are looking for... I hope this helps those who don't know where to turn to find WILL info-- After I got a pretty snotty response from someone selling this info, when I asked about how his pricing worked, I decided to find the info myself. No reason to pay $, no reason to put up with attitude +++ it just takes a little time to find the info yourself. Once you understand the "hoops" it is easy to find wills...probates, estate info...it is all there for the taking--FREE I hope this helps those of you who don't care to pay $ for free info... Have a great day, Joyce - > It look like that link broke for some reason Elizabeth, I'll try it, see > if it works better this time. > > > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1920234/waypoints > > > I have found with these that each county is a bit different and some have > more info than others...also some you can easily find by year and first > letter of last name. I am also finding you are not likely to find "poor" > people here...I cannot find a LOT of my ancestors, but have found a few. > Those who owned farms seem to have Wills are there was so much to > inherit...and they accounted for EVERYTHING LOL --even the number of Hams > in the smokehouse :-) > > > Happy Hunting > > > Joyce > > > --

Thanks to Joyce for sending the link again. And now *perhaps she could send her good post of a week or so ago AGAIN on how to find** **people when familysearch.org has not done the indexing on line yet* because--WOW-- we were mysteriously finding these wills all along without them even being on line! She gave one way. Other options are to use the familysearch.org CATALOG, just as if you were going to order the film, and find the index listing (what I did for Manhattan). These are often digitized already. You just have two steps. Another is to go to the film that you can browse and look at the beginning and end of the reels. Usually there is an index there--or else how could the legal establishment find them? Then you go to the relevant page. But Joyce's detailed instructions should help even newbies. And remember that every post here is archived by the following month on line. Elizabeth On 4/13/2015 10:37 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Wilmarth (Linda) > 2. Re: Wilmarth (Robert Pieterse) > 3. Re: New York County Wills at familysearch.org arranged > differently (MICHAEL CARNER) > 4. Re: New York County Wills at familysearch.org arranged > differently (Robert Pieterse) > 5. Re: New York County Wills at familysearch.org arranged > differently (VLB) > 6. Re: New York County Wills at familysearch.org arranged > differently (VLB) > 7. Re: New York County Wills at familysearch.org arranged > differently (Robert Pieterse) >

I would think most people did not have wills.  They just did not have much to leave and most of them just handed it over to family, it seems, without involving the courts. If you look at the number of wills on familysearch.org compared to the population of NYC, including Brooklyn, the latter vastly outnumbers the former. I searched two gt gt grandfathers who I know owned real estate but found no wills. My guess is that it was a simpler time as well where you could do things like that, unlike today.Virginia   From: MICHAEL CARNER via <[email protected]>   Thanks for the link to this site, but I had no luck finding my great-grandfather on thesite. I'm wondering if in the era of the early 1900s, if people didn't bother with a will,especially if they were blue collar folks. My great grandfather ran a bar; I don't evenknow if he owned it or just worked there.  He died in 1904, leaving a wife and adultchildren; what was the likelihood that folks of his stature would write a will? Nancy Carner     

Thanks for the link to this site, but I had no luck finding my great-grandfather on thesite. I'm wondering if in the era of the early 1900s, if people didn't bother with a will,especially if they were blue collar folks. My great grandfather ran a bar; I don't evenknow if he owned it or just worked there.  He died in 1904, leaving a wife and adultchildren; what was the likelihood that folks of his stature would write a will? Nancy Carner On Sunday, April 5, 2015 6:00 PM, Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> wrote: Found a searchable link for these files, after I went through them one by one the other way LOL https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1466356 On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen < [email protected]> wrote: > Joyce and all, > This is not exactly true.  If you read the entire court document, > hopefully you will see, as I did with the 5 that I found, the details of > the will spelled out after the proving is done. > > > >> -- >> Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, >> Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, >> Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, >> Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, >> Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, >> Kirk, >> Norton, Gerard, and many more... >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In 1900 the population of Brooklyn was 1,166,582 New York, Kings County Estate Files, 1866-1923 contain Browse through 1,610,840 images To me that does not support your comment I would think most people did not have wills. -----Original Message----- From: VLB via <[email protected]> To: MICHAEL CARNER <[email protected]>; Joyce Presnall <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Apr 13, 2015 10:19 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] New York County Wills at familysearch.org arranged differently I would think most people did not have wills. They just did not have much to leave and most of them just handed it over to family, it seems, without involving the courts. If you look at the number of wills on familysearch.org compared to the population of NYC, including Brooklyn, the latter vastly outnumbers the former. I searched two gt gt grandfathers who I know owned real estate but found no wills. My guess is that it was a simpler time as well where you could do things like that, unlike today.Virginia From: MICHAEL CARNER via <[email protected]> Thanks for the link to this site, but I had no luck finding my great-grandfather on thesite. I'm wondering if in the era of the early 1900s, if people didn't bother with a will,especially if they were blue collar folks. My great grandfather ran a bar; I don't evenknow if he owned it or just worked there. He died in 1904, leaving a wife and adultchildren; what was the likelihood that folks of his stature would write a will? Nancy Carner ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

YOU are [porting to a NYC list and the link in the message is for Kings county. Were did a live ?? An obituary, if available may tell you more.. Does the 1900 census denote if he worked in a bar or owned it ?? Many people can assisy you to find an obit if you do not have one nut that requires a name to be posted and a date. -----Original Message----- From: MICHAEL CARNER via <[email protected]> To: Joyce Presnall <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Apr 13, 2015 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] New York County Wills at familysearch.org arranged differently Thanks for the link to this site, but I had no luck finding my great-grandfather on thesite. I'm wondering if in the era of the early 1900s, if people didn't bother with a will,especially if they were blue collar folks. My great grandfather ran a bar; I don't evenknow if he owned it or just worked there. He died in 1904, leaving a wife and adultchildren; what was the likelihood that folks of his stature would write a will? Nancy Carner On Sunday, April 5, 2015 6:00 PM, Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> wrote: Found a searchable link for these files, after I went through them one by one the other way LOL https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1466356 On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen < [email protected]> wrote: > Joyce and all, > This is not exactly true. If you read the entire court document, > hopefully you will see, as I did with the 5 that I found, the details of > the will spelled out after the proving is done. > > > >> -- >> Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, >> Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, >> Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, >> Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, >> Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, >> Kirk, >> Norton, Gerard, and many more... >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If they had no will and there was property, there would be probate records. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:17 PM, VLB via <[email protected]> wrote: > I would think most people did not have wills. They just did not have much > to leave and most of them just handed it over to family, it seems, without > involving the courts. If you look at the number of wills on > familysearch.org compared to the population of NYC, including Brooklyn, > the latter vastly outnumbers the former. > I searched two gt gt grandfathers who I know owned real estate but found > no wills. > My guess is that it was a simpler time as well where you could do things > like that, unlike today.Virginia > From: MICHAEL CARNER via <[email protected]> > > Thanks for the link to this site, but I had no luck finding my > great-grandfather on thesite. I'm wondering if in the era of the early > 1900s, if people didn't bother with a will,especially if they were blue > collar folks. My great grandfather ran a bar; I don't evenknow if he owned > it or just worked there. He died in 1904, leaving a wife and > adultchildren; what was the likelihood that folks of his stature would > write a will? > > Nancy Carner > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What census records do you have ?? Do you know when they died ?? were they are Buried ???? number of children ?? Your posting is somewhat generalized...................... -----Original Message----- From: Linda via <[email protected]> To: nynewyor <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]>; NYBrooklyn <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Apr 13, 2015 2:06 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Wilmarth Hi all I am looking for the Granville Wilmarth family, he married Margert St George which is my GGG grandmothers sister. Any help would be great , would love to see pictures. Granville Wilmarth- Margert StGeorge son Frank Wilmarth- Gertrude Frank son Ralph ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I am looking for the Granville Wilmarth family, he married Margert St George which is my GGG grandmothers sister. Any help would be great , would love to see pictures. Granville Wilmarth- Margert StGeorge son Frank Wilmarth- Gertrude Frank son Ralph

Many thanks for this.  I tried a great-grandfather who I knew had a will and found him quickly via this link and your good directions.  No surprises but I'm looking forward to searching others. Thanks again for sharing this.Virginia   From: Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> To: Elizabeth Knowlton <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Joyce's familysearch link for New York state wills It look like that link broke for some reason Elizabeth, I'll  try it, see if it works better this time. https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1920234/waypoints I have found with these that each county is a bit different and some have more info than others...also some you can easily find by year and first letter of last name.  I am also finding you are not likely to find "poor" people here...I cannot find a LOT of my ancestors, but have found a few. Those who owned farms seem to have Wills are there was so much to inherit...and they accounted for EVERYTHING LOL --even the number of Hams in the smokehouse :-) Happy Hunting Joyce

By the way--I also found a searchable link for Kings County BUT I would not totally rely on that...if your folks don't come up on this one, try the waypoints way as thre are a lot of documents all over the place on county links https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1466356 On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Joyce Presnall <[email protected]> wrote: > It look like that link broke for some reason Elizabeth, I'll try it, see > if it works better this time. > > > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1920234/waypoints > > > >

It look like that link broke for some reason Elizabeth, I'll try it, see if it works better this time. https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1920234/waypoints I have found with these that each county is a bit different and some have more info than others...also some you can easily find by year and first letter of last name. I am also finding you are not likely to find "poor" people here...I cannot find a LOT of my ancestors, but have found a few. Those who owned farms seem to have Wills are there was so much to inherit...and they accounted for EVERYTHING LOL --even the number of Hams in the smokehouse :-) Happy Hunting Joyce <https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1920234/waypoints> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 3:30 AM, Elizabeth Knowlton via < [email protected]> wrote: > Found Joyce's link: > > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index" \l > "uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1920234/waypoints > -- > Elizabeth > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

Found Joyce's link: https://familysearch.org/search/image/index" \l "uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1920234/waypoints -- Elizabeth

I thought the wills could be in a wiki, so I opened the wiki tab and blundered on from there.  It worked but they don't make it easy.  Here's my steps.  Hope I wrote them down correctly as I backspaced from step one. 1.  In the Search tab drop down to Wiki.2.  Search by place or topic - Enter Wills3. Choose United State Probate Records4. Probate by state - Choose NY6.  Scroll down to bottom of page for county.  (You'll see the years of film available.)  I chose Kings Probate records.  This says 19th century.  Pay not attention to this.)7. Then choose NY, Kings County estate files, 1866-1923.8. Screen says, To view digital images click here.9.  Enter name and there's the will. I'm going to try Queens next and hopefully it will work it's magic for me again.  The will I found was for my grandmother's brother who died in 1914.  This was interesting.  It appears that he and his wife had a 9 year old foster daughter that I knew nothing about.  She's mentioned as one of the heirs in the will.  In 1920, his widow is living with her brother and family.  This foster child isn't with her.  She may have died but there's no record of her in the German Genealogy index database.  His widow probably remarried after 1920 because sadly enough his double tombstone has just his dates.  She's buried somewhere else.  And probably with someone else. Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL On Thursday, April 9, 2015 10:11 AM, Robert Pieterse via <[email protected]> wrote: What  is  the  URL  for Joyce's link -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Knowlton via <[email protected]> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 7:10 am Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] NYC-ROOTS How to find wills on familysearch.org Sorry, I know how clunky family search catalog place name use is, and I have just tried that to no avail. I used Joyce's link that took me to a list of NY counties, chose New York County (for Manhattan), and got a list of probate reels.  Near the end was an index made later for volumes up to the 20th century,  I used that to get the vol. number.  Then I clicked on that volume number.     Of course I do nto have Joyce's link handy and am rushing at 7 AM to leave the house.  Her link will be saved of course on this mailing list. Elizabeth On 4/9/2015 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > this  is  the  only  link  LDS  has  to  will  and  probate  for NTY >  >  > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1&countryId=22&recordType=Legal ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What is the URL for Joyce's link -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Knowlton via <[email protected]> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 7:10 am Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] NYC-ROOTS How to find wills on familysearch.org Sorry, I know how clunky family search catalog place name use is, and I have just tried that to no avail. I used Joyce's link that took me to a list of NY counties, chose New York County (for Manhattan), and got a list of probate reels. Near the end was an index made later for volumes up to the 20th century, I used that to get the vol. number. Then I clicked on that volume number. Of course I do nto have Joyce's link handy and am rushing at 7 AM to leave the house. Her link will be saved of course on this mailing list. Elizabeth On 4/9/2015 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > this is the only link LDS has to will and probate for NTY > > > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1&countryId=22&recordType=Legal ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message