Joyce, you should join the IGP - Clare Genealogy on Facebook. If you can't find it by searching, let me know. Do you know Declan Barron in Clare? Liz On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> wrote: > I'd like to amend my first request for references for County Clare too if > anyone knows of a good and hopefully reasonable researcher since I have > already searched the available Irish resources that I know of and I am > looking for needles in haystacks :-( > > Story of my life with some lines in my family LOL > > Thx > > J > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Joyce Presnall <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Someone posted a contact Facebook page for a genealogist in Dublin not > too > > long ago and I thought I saved that information but I cannot find it. > > > > I hope it was posted on the NY Irish list but in case it was posted on > > another list I am also sending this to some other possible lists. > > > > I have FINALLY found a birth cert that leads me to Dublin (and also one > to > > Quin, County Clare) so I am ready to LEAP across the pond. > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Joyce > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, > Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, > Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, > Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, > Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, > Norton, Gerard, and many more... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'd like to amend my first request for references for County Clare too if anyone knows of a good and hopefully reasonable researcher since I have already searched the available Irish resources that I know of and I am looking for needles in haystacks :-( Story of my life with some lines in my family LOL Thx J On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Joyce Presnall <[email protected]> wrote: > > Someone posted a contact Facebook page for a genealogist in Dublin not too > long ago and I thought I saved that information but I cannot find it. > > I hope it was posted on the NY Irish list but in case it was posted on > another list I am also sending this to some other possible lists. > > I have FINALLY found a birth cert that leads me to Dublin (and also one to > Quin, County Clare) so I am ready to LEAP across the pond. > > > > Thank you > > Joyce > > > > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

Someone posted a contact Facebook page for a genealogist in Dublin not too long ago and I thought I saved that information but I cannot find it. I hope it was posted on the NY Irish list but in case it was posted on another list I am also sending this to some other possible lists. I have FINALLY found a birth cert that leads me to Dublin (and also one to Quin, County Clare) so I am ready to LEAP across the pond. I don't feel it necessary to get a certified researcher as long as the person doing the research is good. If anyone has any specific contact info for genealogy researchers in either of the areas, please let me know. I know it is against list rules to put an email address on the list, so PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST. I really want to "get this party started". Thank you Joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

Lisa, I just use the name as it was given, though it means looking in two or more places in the Index, but in a way that’s useful too because when you’re looking for someone the older generations are automatically indexed separately from the newer ones. However, with the problem of them using a separate spelling for census and birth notices, I think I’d stick to the birth spelling, not the census spelling, because that is so often messed up anyhow. Mary in Greece

I am having trouble getting "family search and would like the site info. I am hoping to be able to look at census oof 1860--1870-1880. Hoping to find ancestors of my husband who came over to USA from either Germany or England. I'm looking for family of GEORGE S. LEWIS. THERE SHOULD B A SON GEORGE IN THE CENSUS about 9 yesrs old in 1870-1880 on those census. any help appreciated, Thank you.

There are several George LEWISes that would fit. Do you know what the mother/wife's name was? Mary, Anna or Jane? Would George have been born in England or the US? HouseholdRoleGenderAgeBirthplaceGeorge Lewis <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZX4-HCG>SelfM47EnglandJane Lewis <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZX4-HCP>WifeF44EnglandGeorge Lewis SonM15EnglandHenry Lewis <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZX4-HCY> SonM12EnglandAmey Lewis <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZX4-HCB> DaughterF3New York, United StatesVincent Lewis <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZX4-HC5>SonM19EnglandHorace Lewis <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZX4-HCT>SonM14England Lisa On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Pat Lewis via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am having trouble getting "family search and would like the site info. I > am hoping to be able to look at census oof 1860--1870-1880. Hoping to find > ancestors of my husband who came over to USA from either Germany or > England. I'm looking for family of GEORGE S. LEWIS. THERE SHOULD B A SON > GEORGE IN THE CENSUS about 9 yesrs old in 1870-1880 on those census. any > help appreciated, Thank you. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have the same situation with several family names.  Sommers/Summer/Sommer; Fallick/Falik/Fallik; Chalew/Chaluf/Chalif and more.  I pick the name most commonly used everyday and the one the family uses. Barbara KiershJacksonville, FL On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:58 PM, Lisa Thompson via <[email protected]> wrote: When you have family that alternated between the "old country" and "American" versions of their last name, how do you decide which to use as the primary last name? Yes, my FTM lets me use an AKA name, but I still have to pick one as a default, of sorts. My LEBRECHTs eventually became LEBRIGHTs. But in the instance where a family consistently used LEBRECHT on census records and consistently used LEBRIGHT on birth records (including the father's surname), which one would you use as the primary? Thanks, Lisa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When you have family that alternated between the "old country" and "American" versions of their last name, how do you decide which to use as the primary last name? Yes, my FTM lets me use an AKA name, but I still have to pick one as a default, of sorts. My LEBRECHTs eventually became LEBRIGHTs. But in the instance where a family consistently used LEBRECHT on census records and consistently used LEBRIGHT on birth records (including the father's surname), which one would you use as the primary? Thanks, Lisa

Bill, It sounds to me as if one was a civil ceremony followed by a religious one. It might have been because of the couple having two religions, or perhaps the mother of the bride (or somebody) wanted to have a big wedding in spite of the couple having taken things into their own hands. Perhaps they had eloped. My stepdaughter who lived in England at the time had a civil marriage up there and then they came down to Greece, their home country, and had a splashy wedding in accordance with the wishes of the mothers-in-law. Mary in Greece You wrote: In one instance, a marriage license was issued on 2/13/1896 and a second license was issued on 3/1/1896. The couple was married by an alderman in February and a rector in March. Wondering what the reason would be for two licenses and, presumably, two marriage ceremonies.

A death certificate from 1962 is more than 50 years old, thus it is in compliance with the required time. You might note this on the application w/ bold magic marker. -----Original Message----- From: Toni Evans via <[email protected]> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, May 9, 2015 4:52 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Certificates Can anyone tell me if it is atall possible to get a death cert NYC 1962 without being a direct relative ?? I cannot do it via the Internet as they do not take Credit Cards. I have the info from Family Search and it states NY State Health Dept Genealogical Research Death Index 1957 -1963 Many thanks, Toni ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think that you mean two marriage "certificates." NYC and Brooklyn did not require pre-marriage licenses in 1896. It appears that your ancestors had two official unitings: l) The Alderman one is a civil ceremony, perhaps only in the presence of two witnesses. 2) The rector perfr4omed a religious ceremony. This practice was common with wartime marriages. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mayrose via <[email protected]> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, May 8, 2015 8:56 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Two Marriage Licenses I have a few ancestors where I have located two NYC marriage licenses issued for them. In one instance, a marriage license was issued on 2/13/1896 and a second license was issued on 3/1/1896. The couple was married by an alderman in February and a rector in March. Wondering what the reason would be for two licenses and, presumably, two marriage ceremonies. Thanks in advance for your responses. Bill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good luck, I doubt it. And since 9/11 it is tougher. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Toni Evans via <[email protected]> wrote: >Can anyone tell me if it is atall possible to get a death cert NYC 1962 without being a direct relative ??  I cannot do it via the Internet as they do not take Credit Cards. > >I have the info from Family Search and it states NY State Health Dept Genealogical Research Death Index 1957 -1963 >Many thanks,  Toni > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have some of those also. One was a civil ceremony and the other a religious. Sometimes the certificates have different info on them. -Christine > On May 9, 2015, at 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Two Marriage Licenses (Bill Mayrose) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 20:54:57 -0400 > From: Bill Mayrose <[email protected]> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Two Marriage Licenses > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have a few ancestors where I have located two NYC marriage licenses issued for them. In one instance, a marriage license was issued on 2/13/1896 and a second license was issued on 3/1/1896. The couple was married by an alderman in February and a rector in March. Wondering what the reason would be for two licenses and, presumably, two marriage ceremonies. Thanks in advance for your responses. > > Bill > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYC-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the NYC-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYC-ROOTS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 95 > *****************************************

Can anyone tell me if it is atall possible to get a death cert NYC 1962 without being a direct relative ??  I cannot do it via the Internet as they do not take Credit Cards. I have the info from Family Search and it states NY State Health Dept Genealogical Research Death Index 1957 -1963 Many thanks,  Toni

I have a few ancestors where I have located two NYC marriage licenses issued for them. In one instance, a marriage license was issued on 2/13/1896 and a second license was issued on 3/1/1896. The couple was married by an alderman in February and a rector in March. Wondering what the reason would be for two licenses and, presumably, two marriage ceremonies. Thanks in advance for your responses. Bill

New York State deaths at http://www.newhorizonsgenealogicalservices.com/spanish-american-war-soldier-deaths-ny.htm -----Original Message----- From: Barbara DeOliveira via <[email protected]> To: NYC-Roots-L <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, May 4, 2015 8:42 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Spanish-American War Casualties Is anyone aware of an online listing for NYC casualties from the Spanish-American War? Thanks, Bobbi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone aware of an online listing for NYC casualties from the Spanish-American War? Thanks, Bobbi

I ditto Joyce's advice of getting the full interment list. I found people with different last names (in my family plot) and was able to figure out marriages and spring off in several different directions. It was worth the $$$. Green-wood has especially good records Barbara in Cincinnati > On Apr 20, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Frances Brunner via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Joyce, > That's fantastic! Thanks for sharing!You have relatives buried in the Trinity cemetery in uptown Manhattan? That's extraordinary! You really hit the jackpot with all that information. > I have already made a phone call to Calvary cemetery in Woodside, and they told me what to do. I am going to make a trip to see my mom soon, and I will make copies of all those mass cards, cemetery deeds, etc., that she inherited from her aunt, who was a true hoarder. Talk about a silver lining to the cloud! > Once I have as much information in hand as I can muster, I will send them a list of what I know, and I am expecting a pretty good haul of information. Our aunt was the one who knew everything about everyone, and probably never missed a wake! I can't wait to see what they find. > > FrancesDate: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 12:23:57 -0700 > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Try finding cemetery records see attached example > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Frances if you know where folks are buried, try to get complete records of the plots from the cemetery. > > It was the custom back then to buy big plots and put many of the family members, wive's, hubbies, kids etc in those same plots. > > By discovering where my 2 x GGF was buried, I got a record of everyone in the plot and discovered about 12 people who really tied things up for me...I found a LOT of info by finding the records of that one plot. SO if you cannot get birth records, look for cemetery records and that might help. > > I'll show you the example of what i found just by knowing where one person was buried. See page 2 here for ALL the people in my family I found JUST by knowing where Robert Fleury was buried---it is a poor copy but I cannot locate the better copy I have. > > Joyce > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Frances Brunner via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Virginia, > > You are very welcome! > > I wanted to add this bit:So far, the first child I have been able to locate who was born in America was born in 1858/59-estimated due to the fact that he is listed on the 1860 Census. > > I cannot find a Municipal birth record listed for him, although for sure, he was baptized before he was a month old, according to a family tradition that is still adhered to. I am sure that this tradition arose from the high rate of infant mortality. > > The earliest Municipal birth record I can find is from 1862, that guy's brother. In addition, I have been able to find records for some of his siblings, but not all. Interesting to note is that I have found a birth record for a child who seems to have only lived for a day. Why that child, and not the others? This is the generation/era I refer to when I say that the record keeping gets sketchy. Either they were not required to file with the City, or the rules were not that strict. In addition, the fact that the parents were illiterate does not help the matter much. > > Perhaps someone in this forum knows the year when Municipal reporting became a requirement, but I would also assume it took awhile for everyone to adopt the practice, after the rule went into effect/became law. I have come to realize that, due to poverty and custom, a woman was not guaranteed a skilled attendant, such as a midwife, when she gave birth. Furthermore, if the parents were illiterate, and they had the help of some self-taught midwife from the neighborhood, that woman may well have been illiterate, too. How could the City enforce a law which required the reporting of a birth? The Lower East Side of Manhattan was the most densely populated area on the face of the Earth at that time. I have found records of my family in which eight or nine people, not all of them related, shared one or two rooms-I know the buildings and neighborhoods where they lived. There were some charitable organizations which catered to the poor, but even in the case of visiting nurses, who m! ig! > > ht have recorded births for illiterate families (I wonder if anyone knows anything about this?) they must have been overwhelmed by the number of people they had to serve on a regular basis, not to mention how busy they must have been during various annual epidemics of such diseases as cholera, typhoid, measles, etc. > > In my case, I am referring to Irish Catholic relatives, who came from the Gaeltacht, but who spoke some English when they got here. If you are dealing with people who were not English speakers, or not literate in English (maybe spoke functional English, maybe literate in their own language, but not English), this problem of literacy of the parents and/or the birth attendant may have made the ruling somewhat unenforceable, and may have made the record somewhat inaccurate (spelling of names, street address, etc.). I have one naturalization record from the 1860s, in which the man, who came over before 1850, signed the certificate with an X. While literacy classes may have been on offer at the time, I doubt a man who was supporting a family had any free time to attend them. Same for the mother of a crop of children who had to function in squalor, with little money. > > People who were from a different, more affluent class, probably have more, and more accurate, records. So it depends on who you are looking for, and what their background was. > > Once I have the original long forms, and have had a chance to research some baptismal certificates, I believe I may be able to pinpoint some more siblings in the Municipal records. > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 16:51:45 +0000 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] NY Long Form Birth Certs > > > > Thank you for that very helpful info. I have my own birth cert from the hospital and it doesn't even have all that info. Very useful post. Thanks again.Virginia > > From: Frances Brunner via <[email protected]> > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 12:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] NY Long Form Birth Certs > > > > Hi,My name is Frances, and I'm new to this list. I didn't know how to send an introductory message, so here it is, I guess!My family have been born in NYC since the first immigrants came ca. 1835. Most were born in Manhattan, but some in Brooklyn and the Bronx.I have birth certificates back till my grandmother's generation, which would date about 1900. I haven't gotten any yet that go further back.However, I would say that, when I hear "long form", I consider this to be the certificate that was filled up by the hospital and sent into the Department of Health. I don't have one in front of me, but I know that the ones I do have contain the names and ages of the parents, their address (because a copy of the filed certificate would be sent to them), father's occupation, place where the birth occurred, and the name and signature of the attendant. The most recent example I have is my daughter's, from 1984.In the case of my grandmother, her mother had chosen the name Margaret, bu! t ! > > whoever filed up the certificate had written "Magdalena", There had been some kind of family dispute going on regarding the name. It took some time to discover this, because my great grandmother was illiterate. When they made the name correction, someone actually crossed out "Magdalena" on the original document, and wrote in "Margaret," and this is how the official amendment was recorded. So, in documents of this era, I imagine that if there were any amendments, you would see this on the long form, too. I hope to pay a visit to the Municipal Archives in the near future. I have identified some birth records that date back to the 1880s. I have a crop of relatives that were born in Manhattan in the 1860s, and can't find any birth records for them. I think I will be more likely to find baptismal records for those people. Their parish churches are still operating. But due to the fact that I have one generation in which some people have birth records and some don't, I can see ! t! > > hat registering of births was not strictly required or enforced until > > more modern times. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more... > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was wondering if anyone has ever searched the tax records?I have found some records from theU.S. IRS Tax Assessment Lists, 1862-1918.Is there a file somewhere that would give more details, such as address, and more idea of the nature of the business this person was involved in? Thanks,Frances Researching:Ireland/New York City: Carey, Gray, Glynn/Glinn, Bannon Lithuania/New York City: Buivydas, Mockevicius Scotland/Ireland/Rhode Island/Connecticut/New York City: Drysdale, Duffy, ChapmanMore to come!

Gary, I have the whole list that was online, thanks to Pat Connors. i used to have 3-4 sheets of all the RC parishes, but over the years got lost.all i asked was for the phone # pf Our Lady of Good Council on E 99th St, as there was no phone # listed for the church office. I had just called the telephone information site, twice and they gave me the wrong numbers.