Joyce, Here’s some websites I’ve collected over the years. There may be something useful on some of them: 1. c. 1906-1908: The Edwardian Sartorialist http://mashable.com/2015/01/01/edwardian-fashion-photography/ 2. archived version of a website of Victorian styles with links to clothing images from 1840-early 1900s, including to the 1890s and to the Edwardian era: https://web.archive.org/web/20090604053833/http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/history.html 1890s: https://web.archive.org/web/20141010162639/http://trulyvictorian.com/history/1890.html Edwardian: https://web.archive.org/web/20141010171347/http://trulyvictorian.com/history/1900.html 3. SUNY-Oneota, course website for Fashion- History of Costume— links to different time periods http://employees.oneonta.edu/angellkg/ 1890s: http://employees.oneonta.edu/angellkg/1890.HTML 1900s: http://employees.oneonta.edu/angellkg/1900.HTML Hope this helps. Juliann P.S. “Forever in Blue Jeans” is my theme song. On May 31, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Joyce Presnall <[email protected]> wrote: I have a picture just labeled "Mrs Fleury" and I think I know who it may be but am not 100% sure. This lady MAY have been a business woman in that time period and that MAY be affecting the fact that I cannot find anything similar to her style of dress on site I find on google. If anyone is good at dating NYC women's dress late 1800's to early1900's (she died 1909) please let me know. I can show you a copy of this picture off list. I don't even know what is in fashion NOW, no less what was in fashion a century or more ago LOL MY idea of fashion is Blue Jeans and a T-shirt--or a nice blouse to go out...I'm in the Pacific Northwest--everybody here wears jeans for everything--even in some of the nicer restaurants--(as long as jeans are fairly new and not faded LOL) Thx for any help... Joyce

Holy Cross can give you the certificate Number! They also can tell you who might be in the grave/plot. Call them. On 5/31/2015 7:53 PM, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via wrote: > Her name was Mary King O'Hara, and she died in Brooklyn on 5 Nov 1949. > > I do have an obituary, but no access to it at the moment (have not yet > transferred my files from the old computer to the new). I don't believe it > mentioned siblings, although I believe she had at least 2 brothers in the > US, John and Martin. You're right that I should track them down further - I > have them on a few census records, but that's it. > > I think she's buried in Holy Cross, but that's just going off of memory - > again, files are still on the old computer. (Ok, I get it, I know what I > need to do next.) > > No marriage certificate yet - a few years ago I was trying to track down > baptismal records for her kids, and traced the family through a few > Brooklyn neighborhoods and tried to get in touch with the most relevant > Catholic churches for their locations, but only was able to ID one > baptismal record (no one else in the family was married or baptized at that > parish). One other parish told me they didn't find anything, and none of > the others responded - but I didn't follow up beyond the initial contact. > > Regardless of the other avenues I can and should pursue, it's still > frustrating to be denied a record I think I should have access to! > > Kathleen > > On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Robert Pieterse <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Do you have an obituary ?? She may have siblings >> >> Do you know were she is buried ?? >> >> Do you a have a marriage record ?? >> >> Dome of abv may be beneficial to explore >> >> Ehat is the name and date of death .................. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sun, May 31, 2015 4:52 pm >> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Death Certificate from the DOH >> >> I have a 2x great-grandmother who died in Brooklyn in 1949, so her >> death >> certificate is held by the Department of Health rather than the >> Municipal >> Archives. However, I believe that it's old enough to be considered >> a >> publicly accessible record. My request was just returned to me, having >> been >> denied because I hadn't listed her parents' names, or the >> certificate >> number. I don't know her parents' names - that's why I want >> the >> certificate! And the application instructions said nothing about an >> index >> where you could find the cert #, so I have no idea how I would even be >> able >> to provide that. I provided her name, date of death, and place of death >> - >> surely that's sufficient for them to look it up, no? >> >> Has anyone had >> success in ordering certs from the NYC DOH who can give me >> some tips on how to >> get my request fulfilled? >> >> Thanks! >> Kathleen >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

It has been a while, but the cert # is a big help. The cemetery can help you get this information and you can share it when filling out the request /form. There is a fee. Sometimes the death certificates don't have all the information they are supposed to have. Good luck. On 5/31/2015 4:50 PM, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via wrote: > I have a 2x great-grandmother who died in Brooklyn in 1949, so her death > certificate is held by the Department of Health rather than the Municipal > Archives. However, I believe that it's old enough to be considered a > publicly accessible record. My request was just returned to me, having been > denied because I hadn't listed her parents' names, or the certificate > number. I don't know her parents' names - that's why I want the > certificate! And the application instructions said nothing about an index > where you could find the cert #, so I have no idea how I would even be able > to provide that. I provided her name, date of death, and place of death - > surely that's sufficient for them to look it up, no? > > Has anyone had success in ordering certs from the NYC DOH who can give me > some tips on how to get my request fulfilled? > > Thanks! > Kathleen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

The New York Public Library Milstein Division on Fifth Avenue has bound Death Index books for all boroughs for the years up until 1982. These books were in Room 121 when I last used them. They definitely had the book for 1949 (one year's book, 1968, is missing). This will get you the certificate number - however, if the folks at the DOH want to play hardball, having the certificate number may not help. They make the rules, and even though we should be able to get death certs from 1949, they may not agree. Good luck, Jim Garrity -----Original Message----- >From: Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via <[email protected]> >Sent: May 31, 2015 4:50 PM >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Death Certificate from the DOH > >I have a 2x great-grandmother who died in Brooklyn in 1949, so her death >certificate is held by the Department of Health rather than the Municipal >Archives. However, I believe that it's old enough to be considered a >publicly accessible record. My request was just returned to me, having been >denied because I hadn't listed her parents' names, or the certificate >number. I don't know her parents' names - that's why I want the >certificate! And the application instructions said nothing about an index >where you could find the cert #, so I have no idea how I would even be able >to provide that. I provided her name, date of death, and place of death - >surely that's sufficient for them to look it up, no? > >Has anyone had success in ordering certs from the NYC DOH who can give me >some tips on how to get my request fulfilled? > >Thanks! >Kathleen > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On May 31, 2015, at 7:53 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Anyone know a lot about dress/hats in ? late 1800's? > (Joyce Presnall) > 2. Re: Anyone know a lot about dress/hats in ? late 1800's? > (Irene Salazar) > 3. Re: Anyone know a lot about dress/hats in ? late 1800's? (VLB) > 4. Re: Anyone know a lot about dress/hats in ? late 1800's? (VLB) > 5. Death Certificate from the DOH (Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor) > 6. Re: Death Certificate from the DOH (Robert Pieterse) > 7. Re: Death Certificate from the DOH > (Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 10:29:57 -0700 > From: Joyce Presnall <[email protected]> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Anyone know a lot about dress/hats in ? late > 1800's? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have a picture just labeled "Mrs Fleury" and I think I know who it may be > but am not 100% sure. This lady MAY have been a business woman in that > time period and that MAY be affecting the fact that I cannot find anything > similar to her style of dress on site I find on google. > > If anyone is good at dating NYC women's dress late 1800's to early1900's > (she died 1909) please let me know. I can show you a copy of this picture > off list. > > I don't even know what is in fashion NOW, no less what was in fashion a > century or more ago LOL > MY idea of fashion is Blue Jeans and a T-shirt--or a nice blouse to go > out...I'm in the Pacific Northwest--everybody here wears jeans for > everything--even in some of the nicer restaurants--(as long as jeans are > fairly new and not faded LOL) > > Thx for any help... > > Joyce > > -- > Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, > Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, > Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, > Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, > Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, > Norton, Gerard, and many more... > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 14:25:01 +0200 > From: Irene Salazar <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Anyone know a lot about dress/hats in ? late > 1800's? > To: Joyce Presnall <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I CAN MAYBE HELP. shirtwaists and lack of fuss were more business. Hats large. > > Irene > [email protected] note.middle ibitial. In email, r. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have a picture just labeled "Mrs Fleury" and I think I know who it may be >> but am not 100% sure. This lady MAY have been a business woman in that >> time period and that MAY be affecting the fact that I cannot find anything >> similar to her style of dress on site I find on google. >> >> If anyone is good at dating NYC women's dress late 1800's to early1900's >> (she died 1909) please let me know. I can show you a copy of this picture >> off list. >> >> I don't even know what is in fashion NOW, no less what was in fashion a >> century or more ago LOL >> MY idea of fashion is Blue Jeans and a T-shirt--or a nice blouse to go >> out...I'm in the Pacific Northwest--everybody here wears jeans for >> everything--even in some of the nicer restaurants--(as long as jeans are >> fairly new and not faded LOL) >> >> Thx for any help... >> >> Joyce >> >> -- >> Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, >> Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, >> Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, >> Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, >> Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, >> Norton, Gerard, and many more... >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 19:06:20 +0000 (UTC) > From: VLB <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Anyone know a lot about dress/hats in ? late > 1800's? > To: Joyce Presnall <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Two tips-------------------1--Leg o'mutton sleeves were THE style in the 1890s for girls and women of every age.? Think Gibson girl.? Even women?at work wore a version of that style.----------------------------------------------------2--There are books for historians and genealogists that show styles of various eras so photos can be identified.? Google should help locate some titles.--------------------------------------------------------Virginia > ? From: Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:29 PM > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Anyone know a lot about dress/hats in ? late 1800's? > > I have a picture just labeled "Mrs Fleury" and I think I know who it may be > but am not 100% sure.? This lady MAY have been a business woman in that > time period and that MAY be affecting the fact that I cannot find anything > similar to her style of dress on site I find on google. > > If anyone is good at dating NYC women's dress late 1800's to early1900's > (she died 1909) please let me know.? I can show you a copy of this picture > off list. > > I don't even know what is in fashion NOW, no less what was in fashion a > century or more ago LOL > MY idea of fashion is Blue Jeans and a T-shirt--or a nice blouse to go > out...I'm in the Pacific Northwest--everybody here wears jeans for > everything--even in some of the nicer restaurants--(as long as jeans are > fairly new and not faded LOL) > > Thx for any help... > > Joyce > > -- > Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, > Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, > Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, > Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, > Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, > Norton, Gerard, and many more... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 19:06:20 +0000 (UTC) > From: VLB <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Anyone know a lot about dress/hats in ? late > 1800's? > To: Joyce Presnall <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Two tips-------------------1--Leg o'mutton sleeves were THE style in the 1890s for girls and women of every age.? Think Gibson girl.? Even women?at work wore a version of that style.----------------------------------------------------2--There are books for historians and genealogists that show styles of various eras so photos can be identified.? Google should help locate some titles.--------------------------------------------------------Virginia > ? From: Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:29 PM > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Anyone know a lot about dress/hats in ? late 1800's? > > I have a picture just labeled "Mrs Fleury" and I think I know who it may be > but am not 100% sure.? This lady MAY have been a business woman in that > time period and that MAY be affecting the fact that I cannot find anything > similar to her style of dress on site I find on google. > > If anyone is good at dating NYC women's dress late 1800's to early1900's > (she died 1909) please let me know.? I can show you a copy of this picture > off list. > > I don't even know what is in fashion NOW, no less what was in fashion a > century or more ago LOL > MY idea of fashion is Blue Jeans and a T-shirt--or a nice blouse to go > out...I'm in the Pacific Northwest--everybody here wears jeans for > everything--even in some of the nicer restaurants--(as long as jeans are > fairly new and not faded LOL) > > Thx for any help... > > Joyce > > -- > Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, > Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, > Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, > Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, > Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, > Norton, Gerard, and many more... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 16:50:02 -0400 > From: "Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor" > <[email protected]> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Death Certificate from the DOH > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have a 2x great-grandmother who died in Brooklyn in 1949, so her death > certificate is held by the Department of Health rather than the Municipal > Archives. However, I believe that it's old enough to be considered a > publicly accessible record. My request was just returned to me, having been > denied because I hadn't listed her parents' names, or the certificate > number. I don't know her parents' names - that's why I want the > certificate! And the application instructions said nothing about an index > where you could find the cert #, so I have no idea how I would even be able > to provide that. I provided her name, date of death, and place of death - > surely that's sufficient for them to look it up, no? > > Has anyone had success in ordering certs from the NYC DOH who can give me > some tips on how to get my request fulfilled? > > Thanks! > Kathleen > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 17:03:53 -0400 > From: Robert Pieterse <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Death Certificate from the DOH > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > Do you have an obituary ?? She may have siblings > > Do you know were she is buried ?? > > Do you a have a marriage record ?? > > Dome of abv may be beneficial to explore > > Ehat is the name and date of death .................. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, May 31, 2015 4:52 pm > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Death Certificate from the DOH > > > I have a 2x great-grandmother who died in Brooklyn in 1949, so her > death > certificate is held by the Department of Health rather than the > Municipal > Archives. However, I believe that it's old enough to be considered > a > publicly accessible record. My request was just returned to me, having > been > denied because I hadn't listed her parents' names, or the > certificate > number. I don't know her parents' names - that's why I want > the > certificate! And the application instructions said nothing about an > index > where you could find the cert #, so I have no idea how I would even be > able > to provide that. I provided her name, date of death, and place of death > - > surely that's sufficient for them to look it up, no? > > Has anyone had > success in ordering certs from the NYC DOH who can give me > some tips on how to > get my request fulfilled? > > Thanks! > Kathleen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 19:53:18 -0400 > From: "Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Death Certificate from the DOH > To: Robert Pieterse <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Her name was Mary King O'Hara, and she died in Brooklyn on 5 Nov 1949. > > I do have an obituary, but no access to it at the moment (have not yet > transferred my files from the old computer to the new). I don't believe it > mentioned siblings, although I believe she had at least 2 brothers in the > US, John and Martin. You're right that I should track them down further - I > have them on a few census records, but that's it. > > I think she's buried in Holy Cross, but that's just going off of memory - > again, files are still on the old computer. (Ok, I get it, I know what I > need to do next.) > > No marriage certificate yet - a few years ago I was trying to track down > baptismal records for her kids, and traced the family through a few > Brooklyn neighborhoods and tried to get in touch with the most relevant > Catholic churches for their locations, but only was able to ID one > baptismal record (no one else in the family was married or baptized at that > parish). One other parish told me they didn't find anything, and none of > the others responded - but I didn't follow up beyond the initial contact. > > Regardless of the other avenues I can and should pursue, it's still > frustrating to be denied a record I think I should have access to! > > Kathleen > > On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Robert Pieterse <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Do you have an obituary ?? She may have siblings >> >> Do you know were she is buried ?? >> >> Do you a have a marriage record ?? >> >> Dome of abv may be beneficial to explore >> >> Ehat is the name and date of death .................. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sun, May 31, 2015 4:52 pm >> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Death Certificate from the DOH >> >> I have a 2x great-grandmother who died in Brooklyn in 1949, so her >> death >> certificate is held by the Department of Health rather than the >> Municipal >> Archives. However, I believe that it's old enough to be considered >> a >> publicly accessible record. My request was just returned to me, having >> been >> denied because I hadn't listed her parents' names, or the >> certificate >> number. I don't know her parents' names - that's why I want >> the >> certificate! And the application instructions said nothing about an >> index >> where you could find the cert #, so I have no idea how I would even be >> able >> to provide that. I provided her name, date of death, and place of death >> - >> surely that's sufficient for them to look it up, no? >> >> Has anyone had >> success in ordering certs from the NYC DOH who can give me >> some tips on how to >> get my request fulfilled? >> >> Thanks! >> Kathleen >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYC-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the NYC-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYC-ROOTS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 105 > ******************************************

I ordered my grandfather's certificate from: https://www.vitalchek.com/ I don't know if it made a difference, but I knew his parent's names. Bobbi On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 04:50 PM, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via wrote: > I have a 2x great-grandmother who died in Brooklyn in 1949, so her > death > certificate is held by the Department of Health rather than the > Municipal > Archives. However, I believe that it's old enough to be considered a > publicly accessible record. My request was just returned to me, having > been > denied because I hadn't listed her parents' names, or the certificate > number. I don't know her parents' names - that's why I want the > certificate! And the application instructions said nothing about an > index > where you could find the cert #, so I have no idea how I would even be > able > to provide that. I provided her name, date of death, and place of > death - > surely that's sufficient for them to look it up, no? > > Has anyone had success in ordering certs from the NYC DOH who can give > me > some tips on how to get my request fulfilled? > > Thanks! > Kathleen

Her name was Mary King O'Hara, and she died in Brooklyn on 5 Nov 1949. I do have an obituary, but no access to it at the moment (have not yet transferred my files from the old computer to the new). I don't believe it mentioned siblings, although I believe she had at least 2 brothers in the US, John and Martin. You're right that I should track them down further - I have them on a few census records, but that's it. I think she's buried in Holy Cross, but that's just going off of memory - again, files are still on the old computer. (Ok, I get it, I know what I need to do next.) No marriage certificate yet - a few years ago I was trying to track down baptismal records for her kids, and traced the family through a few Brooklyn neighborhoods and tried to get in touch with the most relevant Catholic churches for their locations, but only was able to ID one baptismal record (no one else in the family was married or baptized at that parish). One other parish told me they didn't find anything, and none of the others responded - but I didn't follow up beyond the initial contact. Regardless of the other avenues I can and should pursue, it's still frustrating to be denied a record I think I should have access to! Kathleen On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Robert Pieterse <[email protected]> wrote: > Do you have an obituary ?? She may have siblings > > Do you know were she is buried ?? > > Do you a have a marriage record ?? > > Dome of abv may be beneficial to explore > > Ehat is the name and date of death .................. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, May 31, 2015 4:52 pm > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Death Certificate from the DOH > > I have a 2x great-grandmother who died in Brooklyn in 1949, so her > death > certificate is held by the Department of Health rather than the > Municipal > Archives. However, I believe that it's old enough to be considered > a > publicly accessible record. My request was just returned to me, having > been > denied because I hadn't listed her parents' names, or the > certificate > number. I don't know her parents' names - that's why I want > the > certificate! And the application instructions said nothing about an > index > where you could find the cert #, so I have no idea how I would even be > able > to provide that. I provided her name, date of death, and place of death > - > surely that's sufficient for them to look it up, no? > > Has anyone had > success in ordering certs from the NYC DOH who can give me > some tips on how to > get my request fulfilled? > > Thanks! > Kathleen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Two tips-------------------1--Leg o'mutton sleeves were THE style in the 1890s for girls and women of every age.  Think Gibson girl.  Even women at work wore a version of that style.----------------------------------------------------2--There are books for historians and genealogists that show styles of various eras so photos can be identified.  Google should help locate some titles.--------------------------------------------------------Virginia   From: Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:29 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Anyone know a lot about dress/hats in ? late 1800's? I have a picture just labeled "Mrs Fleury" and I think I know who it may be but am not 100% sure.  This lady MAY have been a business woman in that time period and that MAY be affecting the fact that I cannot find anything similar to her style of dress on site I find on google. If anyone is good at dating NYC women's dress late 1800's to early1900's (she died 1909) please let me know.  I can show you a copy of this picture off list. I don't even know what is in fashion NOW, no less what was in fashion a century or more ago LOL MY idea of fashion is Blue Jeans and a T-shirt--or a nice blouse to go out...I'm in the Pacific Northwest--everybody here wears jeans for everything--even in some of the nicer restaurants--(as long as jeans are fairly new and not faded LOL) Thx for any help... Joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are right, if there was a cert, they should be able to provide it without a cert number. It is possible that she did not die in the borough in NYC that you indicated. Or the name recorded was different than you provided, or a different date. Did you request an extended search of other boroughs and/or other years, etc? Gail ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~ On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via < [email protected]> wrote: > I have a 2x great-grandmother who died in Brooklyn in 1949, so her death > certificate is held by the Department of Health rather than the Municipal > Archives. However, I believe that it's old enough to be considered a > publicly accessible record. My request was just returned to me, having been > denied because I hadn't listed her parents' names, or the certificate > number. I don't know her parents' names - that's why I want the > certificate! And the application instructions said nothing about an index > where you could find the cert #, so I have no idea how I would even be able > to provide that. I provided her name, date of death, and place of death - > surely that's sufficient for them to look it up, no? > > Has anyone had success in ordering certs from the NYC DOH who can give me > some tips on how to get my request fulfilled? > > Thanks! > Kathleen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Do you have an obituary ?? She may have siblings Do you know were she is buried ?? Do you a have a marriage record ?? Dome of abv may be beneficial to explore Ehat is the name and date of death .................. -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, May 31, 2015 4:52 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Death Certificate from the DOH I have a 2x great-grandmother who died in Brooklyn in 1949, so her death certificate is held by the Department of Health rather than the Municipal Archives. However, I believe that it's old enough to be considered a publicly accessible record. My request was just returned to me, having been denied because I hadn't listed her parents' names, or the certificate number. I don't know her parents' names - that's why I want the certificate! And the application instructions said nothing about an index where you could find the cert #, so I have no idea how I would even be able to provide that. I provided her name, date of death, and place of death - surely that's sufficient for them to look it up, no? Has anyone had success in ordering certs from the NYC DOH who can give me some tips on how to get my request fulfilled? Thanks! Kathleen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a 2x great-grandmother who died in Brooklyn in 1949, so her death certificate is held by the Department of Health rather than the Municipal Archives. However, I believe that it's old enough to be considered a publicly accessible record. My request was just returned to me, having been denied because I hadn't listed her parents' names, or the certificate number. I don't know her parents' names - that's why I want the certificate! And the application instructions said nothing about an index where you could find the cert #, so I have no idea how I would even be able to provide that. I provided her name, date of death, and place of death - surely that's sufficient for them to look it up, no? Has anyone had success in ordering certs from the NYC DOH who can give me some tips on how to get my request fulfilled? Thanks! Kathleen

I CAN MAYBE HELP. shirtwaists and lack of fuss were more business. Hats large. Irene [email protected] note.middle ibitial. In email, r. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Joyce Presnall via <[email protected]> wrote: >I have a picture just labeled "Mrs Fleury" and I think I know who it may be >but am not 100% sure. This lady MAY have been a business woman in that >time period and that MAY be affecting the fact that I cannot find anything >similar to her style of dress on site I find on google. > >If anyone is good at dating NYC women's dress late 1800's to early1900's >(she died 1909) please let me know. I can show you a copy of this picture >off list. > >I don't even know what is in fashion NOW, no less what was in fashion a >century or more ago LOL >MY idea of fashion is Blue Jeans and a T-shirt--or a nice blouse to go >out...I'm in the Pacific Northwest--everybody here wears jeans for >everything--even in some of the nicer restaurants--(as long as jeans are >fairly new and not faded LOL) > >Thx for any help... > >Joyce > >-- >Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, >Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, >Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, >Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, >Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, >Norton, Gerard, and many more... > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a picture just labeled "Mrs Fleury" and I think I know who it may be but am not 100% sure. This lady MAY have been a business woman in that time period and that MAY be affecting the fact that I cannot find anything similar to her style of dress on site I find on google. If anyone is good at dating NYC women's dress late 1800's to early1900's (she died 1909) please let me know. I can show you a copy of this picture off list. I don't even know what is in fashion NOW, no less what was in fashion a century or more ago LOL MY idea of fashion is Blue Jeans and a T-shirt--or a nice blouse to go out...I'm in the Pacific Northwest--everybody here wears jeans for everything--even in some of the nicer restaurants--(as long as jeans are fairly new and not faded LOL) Thx for any help... Joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

Diane, It very clearly reads "prior to 1930" for marriage records: <http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/archives/genealogy.shtml> -- Mary On 5/30/2015 6:09 PM, Diane Jacobs wrote: > Mary, > I believe you can order marriage certificates up to 1937 from > the Municpal Archives. Check stevemorse.org for the date and cert. No. > and boro. > > Diane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Mary D. Taffet via > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 4:12 PM > To: NYC-ROOTS-L > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Did they change which marriage records are available at > the Municipal Archives? > > I could have sworn that I have in the past ordered copies of other > marriage records from the Municipal Archives that were for a marriage in > the 1930's, but when I just went to order a copy of a record from 1933 > for a marriage which took place in Manhattan, the website now says > Marriage Records before 1930. If I go to the NYC City Clerk's office > website, it says that marriage records older than 50 years from today's > date are considered historic records and therefore available to the > general public. > > I've never ordered a copy of a marriage record from the NYC City Clerk's > office before. Has anybody else? > > -- Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Mary, I believe you can order marriage certificates up to 1937 from the Municpal Archives. Check stevemorse.org for the date and cert. No. and boro. Diane -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary D. Taffet via Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 4:12 PM To: NYC-ROOTS-L Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Did they change which marriage records are available at the Municipal Archives? I could have sworn that I have in the past ordered copies of other marriage records from the Municipal Archives that were for a marriage in the 1930's, but when I just went to order a copy of a record from 1933 for a marriage which took place in Manhattan, the website now says Marriage Records before 1930. If I go to the NYC City Clerk's office website, it says that marriage records older than 50 years from today's date are considered historic records and therefore available to the general public. I've never ordered a copy of a marriage record from the NYC City Clerk's office before. Has anybody else? -- Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I could have sworn that I have in the past ordered copies of other marriage records from the Municipal Archives that were for a marriage in the 1930's, but when I just went to order a copy of a record from 1933 for a marriage which took place in Manhattan, the website now says Marriage Records before 1930. If I go to the NYC City Clerk's office website, it says that marriage records older than 50 years from today's date are considered historic records and therefore available to the general public. I've never ordered a copy of a marriage record from the NYC City Clerk's office before. Has anybody else? -- Mary

I WAS FINALLY ABLE TO GET THRU ON FAMILYSEARCH AND FOUND THE GEORGE LEWIS I WAS LOOKING FOR BUT NOT HIS PARENTS GEORGE AN S??? HIS MOTHER. I'M SURE IT'S IN ONE OF THE CENSUS MAYBE 1880, BUT I HAVENT FOUND THEM IN NY, ALAS KNOWN TO BE IN MANHATTAN. THANKS TO ALL WHO HELPED AND TRIED TO HELP.

Very true. I always make sure the spelling I had found is in the notes. Mary in Greece You wrote: There is one other aspect to this. When you collect records of your ancestors. you should transcribe the name exactly as it appears on each record. Technically, this is what a transcription is, and it this technique helps later generations find the record.

good reminder1 thanks. On 5/16/2015 1:27 PM, metronycancestry via wrote: > There is one other aspect to this. > When you collect records of your ancestors. > you should transcribe the name exactly as it appears on each record. > Technically, this is what a transcription is, and it > this technique helps later generations find the record. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Kyritsis via <[email protected]> > > > > Lisa, I just use the name as it was given, though it means looking in two or > more places in the Index, but in a way that’s useful too because when you’re > looking for someone the older generations are automatically indexed separately > from the newer ones. However, with the problem of them using a separate spelling > for census and birth notices, I think I’d stick to the birth spelling, not the > census spelling, because that is so often messed up anyhow. > > Mary in Greece > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

There is one other aspect to this. When you collect records of your ancestors. you should transcribe the name exactly as it appears on each record. Technically, this is what a transcription is, and it this technique helps later generations find the record. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Kyritsis via <[email protected]> Lisa, I just use the name as it was given, though it means looking in two or more places in the Index, but in a way that’s useful too because when you’re looking for someone the older generations are automatically indexed separately from the newer ones. However, with the problem of them using a separate spelling for census and birth notices, I think I’d stick to the birth spelling, not the census spelling, because that is so often messed up anyhow. Mary in Greece