One last thing I would like to mention, if you don't find the year you are looking for, check back in a couple of months.  FamilySearch is adding to its' collections everyday. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 02:57 PM, Bobbi DeOliveira via wrote: > > As I said FamilySearch has NY Probate records online.  They are > browseable, not searchable.

Thanks, Bobbi, These are of course the same records available from LDS that we used to rent on film and read at a local Family History Center (still available). And although all the records on line are not yet searchable, many if not most of the books have indexes at the back or front of the volumes. So you can pull up the record, check the index, and go to whatever page you want without having to click all the way through the volume. We found a great deal on our Wilkins family in the 1810 time frame by doing this. The main thing with genealogy is to keep poking and looking, then reviewing what you found and thinking about it. Things are MUCH easier than in 1986 when I began and there was no Internet. I combined renting films with traveling to the areas and still find new information that way as well as the new techniques of Internet surfing and DNA analysis. Elizabeth On 7/19/2015 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > As I said FamilySearch has NY Probate records online. ?They are > browseable, not searchable.

As I said FamilySearch has NY Probate records online.  They are browseable, not searchable. You will have to scroll down as there are many types of probate records.  I have made a list of the subjects for you.  It is the first and last listing of each subject.  I am also sending you the link to the page. New York, Probate Records, 1629-1971 New York Volume Title and Year Accounts 1810-1862 A Accounts 1810-1862 U-Z Administration bonds 1753-1774 vol B-D Administration bonds 1865-1866 vol 114-115 Bonds 1849-1870 Decrees 1828-1835 Decrees 1828-1865 bundle 204 and 189 Decrees index 1830-1863 Decrees index 1830-1897 Decrees index 1830-1907 A-N Decrees index 1830-1907 O-ZDecrees index 1863-1882 Dower records 1831-1856 General index 1830-1929 Guardian bonds 1833-1865 Inventories 1709-1752 and 1776-1786 Inventories 1865 Letters and petitions of administration 1798-1829 Letters and petitions of administration 1850-1862 Letters of administration 1743-1755 vol A Letters of administration 1831-1832 vol 29 Letters of administration index 1856-1871 A-Z Letters of collection 1858-1865 Letters of testamentary 1783-1806 Letters of testamentary 1865-1866 vol 22 Miscellaneous probate records 1800-1830 Miscellaneous probate records 1860-1869 Orders 1803-1839 bundle 1 Orders 1865 Orders 1865 vol 37 Orders index 1830-1882 Petitions 1803-1888 Petitions and accounts 1803-1888 A-B Petitions and accounts 1803-1888 W and P Petitions for letters of administration 1830-1831 vol 28-29 Petitions for letters of administration 1869-1876 H-L Proceedings 1800-1833 vol 1-3 Proceedings 1861 Bobbi On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Sue Johnpeter via wrote: > Ancestry has the "Barber Collection" listing New York County, Letters > of > Administration Index, 1743-1875. How do I find the original (or > transcription)? > > If the listing reads 16-215-0 (for Lucretia Littell), where might I > find a > transcription? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sue

I was referring to family search, that time period is not available If NYC has them that would be good but they do not even have an index which shows what is available Doing research in NYC leaves a lot to be desired given that BMD indexes were done by volunteers. for incorporation into the IGG and GGG. Ob the flip side CA and other states have many more available records. Why is it that NY can not do this ?? -----Original Message----- From: Diane Jacobs <[email protected]> To: 'Robert Pieterse' <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]>; bobbidoll <[email protected]>; NYC-Roots-L <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jul 18, 2015 7:01 am Subject: RE: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List I don't think this is entirely true. I have found complete wills in NYC (Manh.) going back to the late 1600s. They can be found at the Surrogate's Court Building, 4th Floor Wills & Probate, 31 Chambers Street, same address as the Municipal Archives. Diane Jacobs -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Pieterse via Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 8:50 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List You will not get anything from a NYC will.....The date of death was 1827. It is an index and there is nothing else to my knowledge. Name: Lucretia Littell Event Type: Death Event Date: 15 Dec 1827 Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York, United States Gender: Female Age: 70 Marital Status: Unknown Birth Year (Estimated): 1757 Birthplace: New York GS Film Number: 447546 -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi DeOliveira via <[email protected]> To: NYC-Roots-L <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List FamilySearch.org has NYC wills online. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Sue Johnpeter via wrote: > Ancestry has the "Barber Collection" listing New York County, Letters > of > Administration Index, 1743-1875. How do I find the original (or > transcription)? > > If the listing reads 16-215-0 (for Lucretia Littell), where might I > find a > transcription? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't think this is entirely true. I have found complete wills in NYC (Manh.) going back to the late 1600s. They can be found at the Surrogate's Court Building, 4th Floor Wills & Probate, 31 Chambers Street, same address as the Municipal Archives. Diane Jacobs -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Pieterse via Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 8:50 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List You will not get anything from a NYC will.....The date of death was 1827. It is an index and there is nothing else to my knowledge. Name: Lucretia Littell Event Type: Death Event Date: 15 Dec 1827 Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York, United States Gender: Female Age: 70 Marital Status: Unknown Birth Year (Estimated): 1757 Birthplace: New York GS Film Number: 447546 -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi DeOliveira via <[email protected]> To: NYC-Roots-L <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List FamilySearch.org has NYC wills online. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Sue Johnpeter via wrote: > Ancestry has the "Barber Collection" listing New York County, Letters > of > Administration Index, 1743-1875. How do I find the original (or > transcription)? > > If the listing reads 16-215-0 (for Lucretia Littell), where might I > find a > transcription? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't think this is entirely true. I have found complete wills in NYC (Manh.) going back to the late 1600s. They can be found at the Surrogate's Court Building, 4th Floor Wills & Probate, 31 Chambers Street, same address as the Municipal Archives. Diane Jacobs -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Pieterse via Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 8:50 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List You will not get anything from a NYC will.....The date of death was 1827. It is an index and there is nothing else to my knowledge. Name: Lucretia Littell Event Type: Death Event Date: 15 Dec 1827 Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York, United States Gender: Female Age: 70 Marital Status: Unknown Birth Year (Estimated): 1757 Birthplace: New York GS Film Number: 447546 -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi DeOliveira via <[email protected]> To: NYC-Roots-L <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List FamilySearch.org has NYC wills online. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Sue Johnpeter via wrote: > Ancestry has the "Barber Collection" listing New York County, Letters > of > Administration Index, 1743-1875. How do I find the original (or > transcription)? > > If the listing reads 16-215-0 (for Lucretia Littell), where might I > find a > transcription? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lucretia 'S husband died in Oct 1821. Post your e mail address if you want his obit -----Original Message----- From: Robert Pieterse <[email protected]> To: rdpiet <[email protected]>; bobbidoll <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]>; NYC-Roots-L <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 9:06 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List All death notice SAYS is wife of the late Joseph after a long and pain full illness Date: Friday, December 21, 1827 Paper: Spectator (New York, New York) Volume: XXX Issue: 48 Page: -----Original Message----- From: Robert Pieterse <[email protected]> To: bobbidoll <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]>; NYC-Roots-L <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List You will not get anything from a NYC will.....The date of death was 1827. It is an index and there is nothing else to my knowledge. Name: Lucretia Littell Event Type: Death Event Date: 15 Dec 1827 Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York, United States Gender: Female Age: 70 Marital Status: Unknown Birth Year (Estimated): 1757 Birthplace: New York GS Film Number: 447546 -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi DeOliveira via < [email protected]> To: NYC-Roots-L < [email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List FamilySearch.org has NYC wills online. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Sue Johnpeter via wrote: > Ancestry has the "Barber Collection" listing New York County, Letters > of > Administration Index, 1743-1875. How do I find the original (or > transcription)? > > If the listing reads 16-215-0 (for Lucretia Littell), where might I > find a > transcription? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All death notice SAYS is wife of the late Joseph after a long and pain full illness Date: Friday, December 21, 1827 Paper: Spectator (New York, New York) Volume: XXX Issue: 48 Page: -----Original Message----- From: Robert Pieterse <[email protected]> To: bobbidoll <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]>; NYC-Roots-L <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List You will not get anything from a NYC will.....The date of death was 1827. It is an index and there is nothing else to my knowledge. Name: Lucretia Littell Event Type: Death Event Date: 15 Dec 1827 Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York, United States Gender: Female Age: 70 Marital Status: Unknown Birth Year (Estimated): 1757 Birthplace: New York GS Film Number: 447546 -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi DeOliveira via <[email protected]> To: NYC-Roots-L <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List FamilySearch.org has NYC wills online. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Sue Johnpeter via wrote: > Ancestry has the "Barber Collection" listing New York County, Letters > of > Administration Index, 1743-1875. How do I find the original (or > transcription)? > > If the listing reads 16-215-0 (for Lucretia Littell), where might I > find a > transcription? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to all who replied about follow up to the Barber list index. Your kindness is much appreciated. Elusive, these ancestors. Sue

You will not get anything from a NYC will.....The date of death was 1827. It is an index and there is nothing else to my knowledge. Name: Lucretia Littell Event Type: Death Event Date: 15 Dec 1827 Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York, United States Gender: Female Age: 70 Marital Status: Unknown Birth Year (Estimated): 1757 Birthplace: New York GS Film Number: 447546 -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi DeOliveira via <[email protected]> To: NYC-Roots-L <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Barber List FamilySearch.org has NYC wills online. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Sue Johnpeter via wrote: > Ancestry has the "Barber Collection" listing New York County, Letters > of > Administration Index, 1743-1875. How do I find the original (or > transcription)? > > If the listing reads 16-215-0 (for Lucretia Littell), where might I > find a > transcription? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FamilySearch.org has NYC wills online. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Sue Johnpeter via wrote: > Ancestry has the "Barber Collection" listing New York County, Letters > of > Administration Index, 1743-1875. How do I find the original (or > transcription)? > > If the listing reads 16-215-0 (for Lucretia Littell), where might I > find a > transcription? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sue

Ancestry has the "Barber Collection" listing New York County, Letters of Administration Index, 1743-1875. How do I find the original (or transcription)? If the listing reads 16-215-0 (for Lucretia Littell), where might I find a transcription? Thanks in advance. Sue

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Dear Friends, This email is prompted by someone on another list asking what "Incipit Mensis" means in Latin and the responder said -- "begins the month" [singlar month, a month] Of course you can always look-up these Latin terms that prevail in legal, Roman Catholic, European, and medical documents, but that can become a tedious and distracting task, especially when you merely want to understand the gist of it. You might try this: Look at each word, then consider what more formal language words come to mind. With the above example> incipit---inceptive, incipient...So. you think "beginning." mensis---menses= the plural form of "that" time of the month, as in menstruation [Notice the word's endings are like thesis (one formal college paper) vs. theses (multiple formal college papers) You can draw upon your everyday English language experience to decode Latin. When in doubt, stretch for more formal words, like: automobile instead of car, mortuary instead of funeral home, podiatrist instead of foot doctor, etc. Comprende muchachos? [Understand, my friends?] BB

Sharon, Try NYC Municipal Archives: http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/archives/collections_courtrecords.shtml I once found an uncle's record at Muni Archives (31 Chambers St.) from the 1910's regarding his being sent to Sing Sing prison. I don't recall the name of the record, but it was on microfilm. Regards, Sherri

Hi Sharon I believe that the Federal House of Detention was at 377 West 11th St in Manhattan. It was a hay & feed warehouse that was taken over by the Justice Department in 1929. In 1975 the building became a residential condo or coop complex. Regards, Sherri

Hi Sharon, Have you seen the Nov. 23, 1940 article in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle about his arrest regarding fake stamps? He was arrested together with Albert Rabinowitz. The article gives addresses for both & the name of the arraignment judge. Also noticed that an obit appears on the same page for the mother of actor Humphrey Bogart, giving interesting facts about her life as an artist. Regards, Sherri I am tracing my family tree and just discovered a great uncle, who was convicted and sentenced to the Federal House of Detention in 1941. Would his prison information and records be available to me? NAME: Emanuel Bondell AKA: Manny Davis/Rothnstein DOB: 01/05/1900 Thank you, Sharon Suckow [email protected]

Hi, Thank you for the information on the Tombs it was very interesting. I had another "Black Sheep" who ended up in the State Penitentiary in Washington state. I wrote to them and they sent me his records and his booking photo. I am a member of Ancestry but haven't had any luck so far. The newspaper article only said he was sentenced to the Federal House of Detention, no other name. I know the Brooklyn House of Detention had not been built The crime and trial both were in NYC and both of the men lived in NYC too. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 6:34 PM, metronycancestry via <[email protected] > wrote: > Hi Sharon, > > Please tell us the official name in 1941. > Is this Manhattan? > Other counties in NYC are named something similar. > > Please view this about "The Tombs." > Boss Tweed, formerly crooked Tammany Hall leader was imprisoned here> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tombs > > Ancestry also led me to a trial of my great grandfather in 1903 Manhattan > AKA NY County, that caused him to lose rights. > In 1912, NYS Gov Dix restored his rights and fined him $25. > without imprisonment. > This is to say that I'm seeking repositories of these records. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sharon Suckow via [email protected]; > > > > I am tracing my family tree and just discovered a great uncle, who > was convicted and sentenced to the Federal House of Detention in 1941. > Would his prison information and records be available to me? > > NAME: Emanuel > Bondell > AKA: Manny Davis/Rothnstein > DOB: 01/05/1900 > > Thank > you, > Sharon Suckow > [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

- From: Robert Pieterse via [email protected]; Have you looked at http://www.stevemorse.org/prison/prison.html ================================= Great find Bob, but this leads us to more recent convictions.