I didn't find a marriage cert--that's the problem. I have the marriage license but I think it was among family papers of my grandparents. Their marriage was 1913 so post-consolidation. Strange to me that there is a license but no cert.  I searched IGG, Ancestry and FHL for a cert. Thanks, Virginia   From: metronycancestry via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 6:11 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere What search engine did you use to find that Marriage Certificate? If you used Italian Gen, there are two separate search engines for Brooklyn Marriages. One is the standard search thru the NYC Municipal Archives. The other is for Old Brooklyn & Queens records. Marriages LICENSES = PRE-union records; searchable in-person at the Archives.         1908-1951: Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Richmond                                      1914-1951: Bronx (prior to 1914, search Manhattan)        Marriages CERTIFICATES = POST-union; searchable in-person at the Archives. If you want to make an addition or correction to the IGG/GGG transcriptions, make a clean list of key words>county, year, date, cert #, then name. Send these things to  John Martino at IGG>[email protected], and Liz Love at GGG>[email protected] From: VLB via <          [email protected]>                                I have my grandparents' NYC marriage license (Brooklyn) with full info, including the cert number.  But when I couldn't find it on Ancestry to save to their pages, I went looking.  I can't find the marriage on Italian Gen or FHL. Yet it is here in my hands.  I also have the church cert. I have searched every way I can think of--first names only, wild cards etc.  Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this in the index so it can be saved to Ancestry and also found by other descendants? Thanks.Virginia                                               ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Virginia, It's probably a City Clerk's marriage license, which only exist from 1908 - 1929. They are not on-line anywhere, but are on microfilm at 31 Chambers St., Room 103. During those years a couple may have had a City Clerk's marriage license, a Health Dep't. marriage record, or sometimes both. It is the Health Dep't. marriage records that are indexed on-line. Regards, Sherri I have my grandparents' NYC marriage license (Brooklyn) with full info, including the cert number.? But when I couldn't find it on Ancestry to save to their pages, I went looking.? I can't find the marriage on Italian Gen or FHL.? Yet it is here in my hands.? I also have the church cert. I have searched every way I can think of--first names only, wild cards etc.? Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this in the index so it can be saved to Ancestry and also found by other descendants? Thanks.Virginia

NYC MARRIAGE LICENSES were required 1908 - 1951, even with sacramental marriages. Each bride and groom had to have both. -----Original Message----- From: sherribob via [email protected] It's probably a City Clerk's marriage license...from 1908 - 1929 During those years a couple may have had a City Clerk'smarriage license, a Health Dep't. marriage record, or sometimes both.

What search engine did you use to find that Marriage Certificate? If you used Italian Gen, there are two separate search engines for Brooklyn Marriages. One is the standard search thru the NYC Municipal Archives. The other is for Old Brooklyn & Queens records. Marriages LICENSES = PRE-union records; searchable in-person at the Archives. 1908-1951: Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Richmond 1914-1951: Bronx (prior to 1914, search Manhattan) Marriages CERTIFICATES = POST-union; searchable in-person at the Archives. If you want to make an addition or correction to the IGG/GGG transcriptions, make a clean list of key words>county, year, date, cert #, then name. Send these things to John Martino at IGG>[email protected], and Liz Love at GGG>[email protected] From: VLB via < [email protected]> I have my grandparents' NYC marriage license (Brooklyn) with full info, including the cert number. But when I couldn't find it on Ancestry to save to their pages, I went looking. I can't find the marriage on Italian Gen or FHL. Yet it is here in my hands. I also have the church cert. I have searched every way I can think of--first names only, wild cards etc. Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this in the index so it can be saved to Ancestry and also found by other descendants? Thanks.Virginia

That is very interesting.  Two questions--1--Do you know the period of time in question when both certs and licenses were issued?2--Would the license number be the same as the cert number? This document is three full pages. The license was applied for three days before the marriage.  But the marriage doc is there too, signed by the priest and both witnesses and dated the day of the marriage.   From: Jim Garrity <[email protected]> To: VLB <[email protected]>; [email protected]; NYC Rootsweb <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere Virginia, for a specific period of time, the City made available marriage CERTIFICATES as well as marriage LICENSES. The German/Italian groups only indexed the CERTIFICATES,  but never got access to the licenses. Jim

No, it was 1913.  And Brooklyn records are online back to the 1860s. But thanks for the thought.Virginia   From: Frances Brunner <[email protected]> To: VLB <[email protected]>; NYC Rootsweb <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:31 PM Subject: RE: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere #yiv4729875772 #yiv4729875772 --.yiv4729875772hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv4729875772 body.yiv4729875772hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv4729875772 If it was before 1898, Brooklyn was still a separate city and not yet part of New York City. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Virginia, The license affidavits and the licenses themselves were only available from the years of 1908 through 1929. No records from before or after those dates exist. No, the license number would certainly NOT be the same as the cert number. You've lucked out with that document! Jim -----Original Message----- From: VLB Sent: Aug 17, 2015 11:17 PM To: Jim Garrity , "[email protected]" , NYC Rootsweb Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere That is very interesting. Two questions-- 1--Do you know the period of time in question when both certs and licenses were issued? 2--Would the license number be the same as the cert number? This document is three full pages. The license was applied for three days before the marriage. But the marriage doc is there too, signed by the priest and both witnesses and dated the day of the marriage. _________________________________________________________________ From: Jim Garrity <[email protected]> To: VLB <[email protected]>; [email protected]; NYC Rootsweb <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere Virginia, for a specific period of time, the City made available marriage CERTIFICATES as well as marriage LICENSES. The German/Italian groups only indexed the CERTIFICATES, but never got access to the licenses. Jim

This is the NYC license which should be in the NYC index.  I do have the church cert but those are not available anywhere online. How do I get this NYC license into the NYC database?Virginia   From: Gerald Tobin <[email protected]> To: VLB <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere Virginia, I have my grandparents church marriage certificate from a Brooklyn Catholic church; but can’t find anything on Ancestry or any another source. It is from 1885. Jerry > On Aug 17, 2015, at 4:47 PM, VLB via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have my grandparents' NYC marriage license (Brooklyn) with full info, including the cert number.  But when I couldn't find it on Ancestry to save to their pages, I went looking.  I can't find the marriage on Italian Gen or FHL.  Yet it is here in my hands.  I also have the church cert. > I have searched every way I can think of--first names only, wild cards etc.  > Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this in the index so it can be saved to Ancestry and also found by other descendants? > Thanks.Virginia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I didn’t find my grandmother’s 1885 marriage certificate on there but I got one from a Catholic church in Kings county. Jerry > On Aug 17, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via <[email protected]> wrote: > That's true, but pre-1898 Brooklyn certificates are nonetheless held by the > NYC Municipal Archives and are indexed on the Italian Gen/GGG sites too. > > http://italiangen.org/records-search/brides.php > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Frances Brunner via <[email protected] >> wrote: > >> If it was before 1898, Brooklyn was still a separate city and not yet part >> of New York City. >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's true, but pre-1898 Brooklyn certificates are nonetheless held by the NYC Municipal Archives and are indexed on the Italian Gen/GGG sites too. http://italiangen.org/records-search/brides.php On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Frances Brunner via <[email protected] > wrote: > If it was before 1898, Brooklyn was still a separate city and not yet part > of New York City. > >

Virginia, for a specific period of time, the City made available marriage CERTIFICATES as well as marriage LICENSES. The German/Italian groups only indexed the CERTIFICATES, but never got access to the licenses. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: VLB via <[email protected]> >Sent: Aug 17, 2015 4:47 PM >To: NYC Rootsweb <[email protected]> >Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere > > I have my grandparents' NYC marriage license (Brooklyn) with full info, including the cert number.  But when I couldn't find it on Ancestry to save to their pages, I went looking.  I can't find the marriage on Italian Gen or FHL.  Yet it is here in my hands.  I also have the church cert. >I have searched every way I can think of--first names only, wild cards etc.  >Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this in the index so it can be saved to Ancestry and also found by other descendants? >Thanks.Virginia > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have my grandparents' NYC marriage license (Brooklyn) with full info, including the cert number.  But when I couldn't find it on Ancestry to save to their pages, I went looking.  I can't find the marriage on Italian Gen or FHL.  Yet it is here in my hands.  I also have the church cert. I have searched every way I can think of--first names only, wild cards etc.  Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this in the index so it can be saved to Ancestry and also found by other descendants? Thanks.Virginia

If it was before 1898, Brooklyn was still a separate city and not yet part of New York City. Researching:Ireland/New York City: Carey, Gray, Glynn/Glinn, Bannon Lithuania/New York City: Buivydas, Mockevicius Scotland/Ireland/Rhode Island/Connecticut/New York City: Drysdale, Duffy, Chapman-0-Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit.~Francois de La Rochefoucault > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 20:47:23 +0000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere > From: [email protected] > > I have my grandparents' NYC marriage license (Brooklyn) with full info, including the cert number. But when I couldn't find it on Ancestry to save to their pages, I went looking. I can't find the marriage on Italian Gen or FHL. Yet it is here in my hands. I also have the church cert. > I have searched every way I can think of--first names only, wild cards etc. > Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this in the index so it can be saved to Ancestry and also found by other descendants? > Thanks.Virginia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Virginia, If what you have a copy of is a license, as opposed to an actual certificate, then that is why you can't find it. There are no online indexes to marriage licenses for NYC that I am aware of, though I'd be happy to be proven wrong on that point if there is an index somewhere that I don't know about. -- Mary On 8/17/2015 5:42 PM, VLB via wrote: > This is the NYC license which should be in the NYC index. I do have the church cert but those are not available anywhere online. > How do I get this NYC license into the NYC database?Virginia > From: Gerald Tobin <[email protected]> > To: VLB <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere > > Virginia, > > I have my grandparents church marriage certificate from a Brooklyn Catholic church; but can’t find anything on Ancestry or any another source. It is from 1885. > > Jerry > > >> On Aug 17, 2015, at 4:47 PM, VLB via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have my grandparents' NYC marriage license (Brooklyn) with full info, including the cert number. But when I couldn't find it on Ancestry to save to their pages, I went looking. I can't find the marriage on Italian Gen or FHL. Yet it is here in my hands. I also have the church cert. >> I have searched every way I can think of--first names only, wild cards etc. >> Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this in the index so it can be saved to Ancestry and also found by other descendants? >> Thanks.Virginia

Upload your tree to Ancestry, scan the cert, and add it to the tree. People who search for the people will be able to find the certs. I researched an English family the other day that this is what was done when for whatever reason church records that should have been there weren't. Dora -----Original Message----- From: VLB via Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:47 PM To: NYC Rootsweb Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere I have my grandparents' NYC marriage license (Brooklyn) with full info, including the cert number. But when I couldn't find it on Ancestry to save to their pages, I went looking. I can't find the marriage on Italian Gen or FHL. Yet it is here in my hands. I also have the church cert. I have searched every way I can think of--first names only, wild cards etc. Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this in the index so it can be saved to Ancestry and also found by other descendants? Thanks.Virginia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

You could go to both the German genealogical page and the Italian genealogical page and submit the information to both sites. I do believe that that is where ancestery gets all the indexes from. Someone will correct me if I am wrong. Even if ancestry just not get the information from those two places having them enter it into their database would be very helpful. It's very possible that the index creator missed the card that your family information was on. Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ > On Aug 17, 2015, at 14:42, VLB via <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is the NYC license which should be in the NYC index. I do have the church cert but those are not available anywhere online. > How do I get this NYC license into the NYC database?Virginia > From: Gerald Tobin <[email protected]> > To: VLB <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere > > Virginia, > > I have my grandparents church marriage certificate from a Brooklyn Catholic church; but can’t find anything on Ancestry or any another source. It is from 1885. > > Jerry > > >> On Aug 17, 2015, at 4:47 PM, VLB via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have my grandparents' NYC marriage license (Brooklyn) with full info, including the cert number. But when I couldn't find it on Ancestry to save to their pages, I went looking. I can't find the marriage on Italian Gen or FHL. Yet it is here in my hands. I also have the church cert. >> I have searched every way I can think of--first names only, wild cards etc. >> Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this in the index so it can be saved to Ancestry and also found by other descendants? >> Thanks.Virginia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The email I received did not have an unsubscribe, neither did the political emails. On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 07:04 PM, Joyce Presnall wrote: You most certainly CAN opt out...read the site carefully, unmark boxes you don't like and if you DO get an email all you need to do is unsubcribe--the link is in the email you get Joyce On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Bobbi DeOliveira via <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Just to let everyone know, IF you use your email address you will be signed up to receive more petitions and get political spam, with no way to opt out.  I presume if you leave it out, it will still go through. Bobbi

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