A genealogy friend asked me to post this regarding Jacob DEXHEIMER. If he is in your tree, this message may help you on your family history search. Per Barb AKA MizscarlettNY - "On a map of Trinity Episcopal Church Cemetery, that I viewed in person, I saw a plot owned by Jacob DEXHEIMER. It mas not marked E for empty. However, this name is not listed in Find A Grave or the church's archives. This tells me that neither source is complete....The only Jacob DEXHEIMER in Manhattan, died on 1 September 1903 at the age of 51. "I researched this name for someone long ago and suggest that you phone Trinity Episcopal Church in downtown Manhattan." I hope this info is helpful for someone. Gail ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~

Please cancel that search for Alma Becraft.  thankyou pat

Can sks look up an obit that is listed on Ancestry.com for me please. Alma Jean BecraftD. 25 Nov. 2005Newspaper was Monroeville, PA thankyou pat

For those interested LDS is wrongly labeling records When one opens a birth record that reads New York, New York City Births, 1846-1909 In my case the births was in Brooklyn I do not know the extent of this but they clearly are not using the county as is done n IGG Perhaps everything is labeled New York Mew York City

I have also noticed mislabeled records. I do quite a bit of Quaker research and find that I must scroll back to the beginning of the digitized document to see what the record is really of. The identification given by Ancestry is most often not correct. On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen via < [email protected]> wrote: > I just looked one up in the database you are referring to and if you look > at your result and look at the event column, it will list the correct > county, at least in my case it did. It indicated it was in Queens, NY. > Perhaps the one you are speaking about was mis transcribed? > Gail > > ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~ > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Robert Pieterse via < > [email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > For those interested LDS is wrongly labeling records > > > > When one opens a birth record that reads > > > > New York, New York City Births, 1846-1909 > > > > In my case the births was in Brooklyn > > > > I do not know the extent of this but they clearly are not > > using the county as is done n IGG > > > > Perhaps everything is labeled New York Mew York City > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just looked one up in the database you are referring to and if you look at your result and look at the event column, it will list the correct county, at least in my case it did. It indicated it was in Queens, NY. Perhaps the one you are speaking about was mis transcribed? Gail ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~ On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Robert Pieterse via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > For those interested LDS is wrongly labeling records > > When one opens a birth record that reads > > New York, New York City Births, 1846-1909 > > In my case the births was in Brooklyn > > I do not know the extent of this but they clearly are not > using the county as is done n IGG > > Perhaps everything is labeled New York Mew York City > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From: metronycancestry via <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 11:58 AM Fantastic find, but none of NY Co. or the wealthiest county in the USA: Westchester. ========================================================================= So none of these were useful Ardsley Sun Dobbs Ferry NY Register 87% Hastings NY On the Hudson Echo Hastings NY On the Hudson News Mount Vernon NY Daily Argus Yonkers NY Statesman Argus Chronicle (Mount Vernon) Eastchester  Drew Cold Spring, Putnam Co., NY O|||||||O Modeling the New York Central in N Scale and Trainz Backyard Birding & Gardening in the New York Hudson Valley Genealogy HERLIHY, GOULDING, GREENE, LALIME & LENT, LYNT, van LENT Homepage: http://drucifer.net/index.html

Fantastic find, but none of NY Co. or the wealthiest county in the USA: Westchester. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Pieterse via <[email protected]> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Aug 22, 2015 11:04 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] NY Historical Newspapers Data base for Historical NY newspapers Fulton Post cards has comany http://nyshistoricnewspapers.org/

Data base for Historical NY newspapers Fulton Post cards has comany http://nyshistoricnewspapers.org/

I obtained copies of marriage license applications and marriage certificates for couples married in New York City (Brooklyn) during the 1920s from the City Clerk's Office. I did this by mail some years ago, probably at least ten. I forget the dates during which this procedure is necessary, but the 2 marriage records in question are not listed in Italian Genealogy. I see from the City Clerks website that they provide marriage info from 1930 to 1951. Does not cover my 1920s records. When did that change? Sheila

Bureaucrat and politicians are of the same mold -----Original Message----- From: metronycancestry <[email protected]> To: rdpiet <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2015 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Searching Marriages in NYC Yes and no, Bob. Marriage Licenses those years ARE at the Archives. & NYC DOH has refused to comply and send newer Births and Deaths to the Archives, even though they should be there. This has gone on since Commissioner FARLEY. Newest NYC Mayor Bill de BLASIO has a bad rep for excluding the press access to meetings and records. The latest is that de BLASIO'S attorneys are screening EVERY Freedom of Information request filed. He's a control freak and so watch out what else he controls. Oh...his wife Chirlane McCRAY refused jury duty claiming she's "too busy." So much for " racially balanced" juries. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Pieterse <[email protected]> One can get a marriage cert from NY but licenses earlier postings on this topic state they are searchable only in person, and other details. NY archives have to move into the 21dt century That hindesr the majority of people from obtaining a license.

Yes and no, Bob. Marriage Licenses those years ARE at the Archives. & NYC DOH has refused to comply and send newer Births and Deaths to the Archives, even though they should be there. This has gone on since Commissioner FARLEY. Newest NYC Mayor Bill de BLASIO has a bad rep for excluding the press access to meetings and records. The latest is that de BLASIO'S attorneys are screening EVERY Freedom of Information request filed. He's a control freak and so watch out what else he controls. Oh...his wife Chirlane McCRAY refused jury duty claiming she's "too busy." So much for " racially balanced" juries. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Pieterse <[email protected]> One can get a marriage cert from NY but licenses earlier postings on this topic state they are searchable only in person, and other details. NY archives have to move into the 21dt century That hindesr the majority of people from obtaining a license.

One can get a marriage cert from NY but licenses earlier postings on this topic state they are searchable only in person, and other details. NY archives have to move into the 21dt century That hindesr the majority of people from obtaining a license. -----Original Message----- From: metronycancestry via <[email protected]> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2015 1:06 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Searching Marriages in NYC I invented the term "pre-marriage licensing period, 1908 -1951" so that readers understand that these Licenses occurred BEFORE the marriage took place. Marriage CERTIFICATES occurred AFTER the marriage took place. Microfiche of Marriage LICENSES 1908 - 1951 are in a separate cabinet in the NYC Archives, and across the room from the standard BMD *certificates." They are filed by county the bride resided in, then year. My earlier postings on this topic state they are searchable only in person, and other details. I will be viewing Manhattan Licenses 1920 next. From: Debbie <[email protected]> So, I have obtained a lot of marriage CERTIFICATES (most from the LDS). But, I don't know anything about how to obtain the marriage LICENSE. Can you walk us through the process of locating those? Also, by the "pre-marriage licensing period, 1908 - 1951" I'm not totally clear what you mean by that. Can you explain? Thanks in advance! Debbie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I invented the term "pre-marriage licensing period, 1908 -1951" so that readers understand that these Licenses occurred BEFORE the marriage took place. Marriage CERTIFICATES occurred AFTER the marriage took place. Microfiche of Marriage LICENSES 1908 - 1951 are in a separate cabinet in the NYC Archives, and across the room from the standard BMD *certificates." They are filed by county the bride resided in, then year. My earlier postings on this topic state they are searchable only in person, and other details. I will be viewing Manhattan Licenses 1920 next. From: Debbie <[email protected]> So, I have obtained a lot of marriage CERTIFICATES (most from the LDS). But, I don't know anything about how to obtain the marriage LICENSE. Can you walk us through the process of locating those? Also, by the "pre-marriage licensing period, 1908 - 1951" I'm not totally clear what you mean by that. Can you explain? Thanks in advance! Debbie

Here's an interesting article about the history of Harlem, or Haarlem as the Dutch called it. http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2015/08/20/tracing_350_years_of_harlems_evershifting_boundaries.php

So, I have obtained a lot of marriage CERTIFICATES (most from the LDS). But, I don't know anything about how to obtain the marriage LICENSE. Can you walk us through the process of locating those? Also, by the "pre-marriage licensing period, 1908 - 1951" I'm not totally clear what you mean by that. Can you explain? Thanks in advance! Debbie

You still needed blood work and a license when I got married in the NY suburbs in the late 1960s.  The first two pages of my grandparents' 1913 license are dated 3 days before the wedding. They both signed it, as did the 'deputy city clerk'. The 3rd page is dated the actual day of the wedding and is signed by the priest and both witnesses.  All signatures are in the individual's handwriting.  The 3rd pg says "to clergymen and magistrates' that they must return the doc to the city clerk by the 10th day of the month following the marriage or they will be guilty of a misdemeanor and fined between $25 and $50 for each offense. I also have their church marriage cert.  All facts agree and we knew the facts anyway.  All four of my grandparents lived until I reached adulthood, I am blessed to be able to say.  Three were at my own wedding. But still no marriage cert as we are familiar with from Italian Gen and FHL and ordering from NYC, tho now I get them thru FHL microfilm.Virginia   From: metronycancestry via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:24 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Searching Marriages in NYC During the pre-marriage licensing period, 1908 - 1951, we seek the Certificate first, because it has a definite date. Once the Certificate is found, then we seek the License. The License was applied for at the county level in New York. Potential brides and grooms had to appear in person at the county where the bride lived, no matter where the actual marriage ceremony was to take place. No photo ID was required then. In NYC couples often slipped away from work at lunch time to apply.  Note the mode of dress in Norman Rockwell's painting "Marriage License." http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Marriage-License-June-11-1955-Posters_i7553226_.htm At one time blood testing wad required to apply for the License, probably due to disease that wartime soldier might carry. A marriage LICENSE was valid for a given period of time. They are filed by county first, then by the date of application. Researchers know to look backwards from the date of marriage ceremony in the county where the bride resided. Can you imagine the number of Marriage Licenses applied for in one month in Manhattan? This is why searching for marriage licenses is  more time consuming than the usual certificate. Marriage Licenses  are important because the bride and groom provided the facts, not a third party. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

During the pre-marriage licensing period, 1908 - 1951, we seek the Certificate first, because it has a definite date. Once the Certificate is found, then we seek the License. The License was applied for at the county level in New York. Potential brides and grooms had to appear in person at the county where the bride lived, no matter where the actual marriage ceremony was to take place. No photo ID was required then. In NYC couples often slipped away from work at lunch time to apply. Note the mode of dress in Norman Rockwell's painting "Marriage License." http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Marriage-License-June-11-1955-Posters_i7553226_.htm At one time blood testing wad required to apply for the License, probably due to disease that wartime soldier might carry. A marriage LICENSE was valid for a given period of time. They are filed by county first, then by the date of application. Researchers know to look backwards from the date of marriage ceremony in the county where the bride resided. Can you imagine the number of Marriage Licenses applied for in one month in Manhattan? This is why searching for marriage licenses is more time consuming than the usual certificate. Marriage Licenses are important because the bride and groom provided the facts, not a third party.

Most likely, believed, and forgot....................equals The reason remains unknown -----Original Message----- From: Diane Jacobs via <[email protected]> To: 'VLB' <[email protected]>; nyc-roots <[email protected]>; 'metronycancestry' <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2015 7:58 am Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere Virginia, I once did a search for someone in NYC archives for 1914 and could only find the marriage license and application which you now know is only available through a search as the Municipal Archives. Most likely, they were married in a church and the person performing it believed that only the church registration was important or they forgot to register it with NYC after the marriage was performed. Diane Jacobs -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of VLB via Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 7:48 PM To: metronycancestry; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere I didn't find a marriage cert--that's the problem. I have the marriage license but I think it was among family papers of my grandparents. Their marriage was 1913 so post-consolidation. Strange to me that there is a license but no cert. I searched IGG, Ancestry and FHL for a cert. Thanks, Virginia From: metronycancestry via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 6:11 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere What search engine did you use to find that Marriage Certificate? If you used Italian Gen, there are two separate search engines for Brooklyn Marriages. One is the standard search thru the NYC Municipal Archives. The other is for Old Brooklyn & Queens records. Marriages LICENSES = PRE-union records; searchable in-person at the Archives. 1908-1951: Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Richmond 1914-1951: Bronx (prior to 1914, search Manhattan) Marriages CERTIFICATES = POST-union; searchable in-person at the Archives. If you want to make an addition or correction to the IGG/GGG transcriptions, make a clean list of key words>county, year, date, cert #, then name. Send these things to John Martino at IGG>[email protected], and Liz Love at GGG>[email protected] From: VLB via < [email protected]> I have my grandparents' NYC marriage license (Brooklyn) with full info, including the cert number. But when I couldn't find it on Ancestry to save to their pages, I went looking. I can't find the marriage on Italian Gen or FHL. Yet it is here in my hands. I also have the church cert. I have searched every way I can think of--first names only, wild cards etc. Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this in the index so it can be saved to Ancestry and also found by other descendants? Thanks.Virginia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Virginia, I once did a search for someone in NYC archives for 1914 and could only find the marriage license and application which you now know is only available through a search as the Municipal Archives. Most likely, they were married in a church and the person performing it believed that only the church registration was important or they forgot to register it with NYC after the marriage was performed. Diane Jacobs -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of VLB via Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 7:48 PM To: metronycancestry; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere I didn't find a marriage cert--that's the problem. I have the marriage license but I think it was among family papers of my grandparents. Their marriage was 1913 so post-consolidation. Strange to me that there is a license but no cert.  I searched IGG, Ancestry and FHL for a cert. Thanks, Virginia   From: metronycancestry via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 6:11 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Have cert but not indexed anywhere What search engine did you use to find that Marriage Certificate? If you used Italian Gen, there are two separate search engines for Brooklyn Marriages. One is the standard search thru the NYC Municipal Archives. The other is for Old Brooklyn & Queens records. Marriages LICENSES = PRE-union records; searchable in-person at the Archives.         1908-1951: Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Richmond                                      1914-1951: Bronx (prior to 1914, search Manhattan)        Marriages CERTIFICATES = POST-union; searchable in-person at the Archives. If you want to make an addition or correction to the IGG/GGG transcriptions, make a clean list of key words>county, year, date, cert #, then name. Send these things to  John Martino at IGG>[email protected], and Liz Love at GGG>[email protected] From: VLB via <          [email protected]>                                I have my grandparents' NYC marriage license (Brooklyn) with full info, including the cert number.  But when I couldn't find it on Ancestry to save to their pages, I went looking.  I can't find the marriage on Italian Gen or FHL. Yet it is here in my hands.  I also have the church cert. I have searched every way I can think of--first names only, wild cards etc.  Does anyone have any ideas on how to get this in the index so it can be saved to Ancestry and also found by other descendants? Thanks.Virginia                                               ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message