Sorry, this flew out before I was finished. Suggestions l) Send for DC directly from from Bergen, NY. 2) Contact library there for that OBIT. 3) Search PA & NJ state deaths for Owen 4th October 1911. -----Original Message----- From: metronycancestry <[email protected]> The NYS Death Index search was your next, best, logical step, but everyone onlist kept suggesting around it. My contact searched the NYS Death Index for years 1910-1915. They reported that the only Owen Morgan listed died on 19 Feb 1912 Bergen, Genesee County #6976 -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Morgan via <[email protected]> I am trying to find my great-grandfather Owen Morgan parents. I have been trying for 25 years now with little luck. Owen was from Ireland and settled in Manhattan around 1892. This year I finally got a clue to Owen's death, due to the transcribing upstate death records: an Owen Morgan of New York, recently employed as trackman on the Erie Railroad, was hit and killed by a freight train on 4th October 1911, and buried at the village of Pond Eddy. So three months ago I wrote the NYS for a copy of his death certificate, and still waiting? The website says it can take up to eight months! I would go the National Archives in New York City and look him up in the State index for deaths, however as of last Saturday the National Archive reading rooms across the county are now closed on all Saturdays of the month. I wrote to the Town of Lumberland which includes the village of Pond Eddy, however they have no records of his burial in the town. I have written to his Catholic parish back in Manhattan to see if they have a record of his death. And I will write to the Catholic church that oversees the Catholic chapel and its cemetery in Pond Eddy, NY. (Last time I did that I received a bill from New Cavalry for the past 100 years up kept of wife paupers grave.) So I am again at a lose on what to do next? Worse: the Erie Railroad and incident happen on the south side of the Delaware river in Pennsylvania. And death record says that a justice of the peace was sent for from Pennsylvania, to act as corner. Ancestry.com does have the Pennsylvania death index, however Owen is not to be found in 1911. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regard, Bernard. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The NYS Death Index search was your next, best, logical step, but everyone onlist kept suggesting around it. My contact searched the NYS Death Index for years 1910-1915. They reported that the only Owen Morgan listed died on 19 Feb 1912 Bergen, Genesee County #6976 -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Morgan via <[email protected]> I am trying to find my great-grandfather Owen Morgan parents. I have been trying for 25 years now with little luck. Owen was from Ireland and settled in Manhattan around 1892. This year I finally got a clue to Owen's death, due to the transcribing upstate death records: an Owen Morgan of New York, recently employed as trackman on the Erie Railroad, was hit and killed by a freight train on 4th October 1911, and buried at the village of Pond Eddy. So three months ago I wrote the NYS for a copy of his death certificate, and still waiting? The website says it can take up to eight months! I would go the National Archives in New York City and look him up in the State index for deaths, however as of last Saturday the National Archive reading rooms across the county are now closed on all Saturdays of the month. I wrote to the Town of Lumberland which includes the village of Pond Eddy, however they have no records of his burial in the town. I have written to his Catholic parish back in Manhattan to see if they have a record of his death. And I will write to the Catholic church that oversees the Catholic chapel and its cemetery in Pond Eddy, NY. (Last time I did that I received a bill from New Cavalry for the past 100 years up kept of wife paupers grave.) So I am again at a lose on what to do next? Worse: the Erie Railroad and incident happen on the south side of the Delaware river in Pennsylvania. And death record says that a justice of the peace was sent for from Pennsylvania, to act as corner. Ancestry.com does have the Pennsylvania death index, however Owen is not to be found in 1911. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regard, Bernard. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for the responses I received both on and off list. Bill > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:01:29 -0500 > From: Bill Mayrose <[email protected]> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] NYC Marriage Certificates > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am interested in viewing a number of NYC marriage certificates from > the 1930s. Is there a location where I can view them before deciding if > I want to purchase? Thanks. > > Bill Mayrose

Why don't you transcribe and the Birth Certificate so that we might help you. Have you searched historical newspapers? It could help if you have a street address for the family, and use that to search also. -----Original Message----- From: Julie Bruggenthies via <[email protected]> I haven't contacted the Children's Aid society because my grandpa came from the Foundling Hospital - the Catholic kids. We have his records from the nuns. I would now like more information on the parents listed on the birth certificate. Julie Bruggenthies Menomonie, WI

True, there was no fire of New York Foundling records. It is/was common for nuns to slightly alter children's birth names in the name of "privacy." Please clarify, WHERE did you finally get the Birth Certificate? -----Original Message----- From: Julie Bruggenthies via <[email protected]> My grandpa came on the orphan train from NYC. We spent 50 yrs trying to find his birth cert. We were told that all the records at the Foundling hospital were destroyed in a fire. We later found out that wasn't true and I was able to get the microfiche records from his file though they weren't very legible. I finally contacted the lying-in Hospital in NYC and asked to look for his birth on the date we thought his birthday was. Turns out we thought his real name was Francis Braun - that is what the nuns led everyone to believe. His mother's name was Frances Braun. She named him John Braun and BINGO I got the birth cert. Took 50 years. He was "Indentured" in MN. I have been told you couldn't adopt back then. We thought he came when he was 13 since that is what the indentured papers said. BUT he is on the census at 5 years of age so we assume he was small when he came. From my research there were Catholic kids and protestant kids that came from the Children's home so! ciety. The catholic kids supposed already had a family where they were going to. The Protestant kids were loaded up and displayed at each train stop and people could pick a child. There is an Descendants of Orphan train gathering here every year still in MN. Julie Bruggenthies Menomonie, WI

I remember this case from long ago. No immigrant group merely sent children away; it had to be for the child's welfare. About fifty different NYC "charities" participated in the Orphan Train movement. New York Foundling was the key participant and is cooperative w/ providing records. The Catholic Home Bureau is another key player. Contact both of them. Since the "adoptive" farm family was not native English speakers, they may have confused the surname. Read this about Tom Riley> http://orphantraindepot.org/speakers-bureau/new-york/ I heard Tom speak about Orphan Trains last year, and read both of his books>>>> New York | National Orphan Train Complex orphantraindepot.org/speakers-bureau/new-york/ - Similarto New York | National Orphan Train Complex Tom Riley. Author of the book The Orphan Train Riders Vol. I & II, Tom speaks ... of Industry, which is currently located at the Rockland County Historical Society. tom's orphan train riders blog tomsorphantrainridersblog.blogspot.com/ - Similarto tom's orphan train riders blog Dec 2, 2007 ... The First New York State Orphan Train Museum. Today, May ... On May 25th , 2010 I will assume the Presidency of the Rockland County Geneaology Society. There is a lot of ... Posted by Tom Riley at 12:56 PM No comments: ... -------- This is about my great-grandmother, who was sent as a little girl from New York to Illinois to live with a German immigrant farm family by the names of Valentin and Maria Magadalena ROOS (sometimes, ROSS, ROSE, etc.) in Millstadt, St. Clair County, Illinois. We don't know my great-grandmother's original birth name, but we assume that it could be Caroline LORAN, based on the 1880 census, which also showed "adopted", "state of New York". All other subsequent records show her name as Carmelitta "Carrie" ROOS, born in New York City on June 1, 1876. The name Carmelitta Mary ROOS was apparently given to her by the ROOS family, and later shortened to Carmelite or Carme. Valentin and Magdalena ROOS were already in their 60's at the time of the 1880 census, and they had two grown daughtes still living at home with them, and so we assumed that Caroline could have been an illegitimate daughter of one of these two, but research has not been able to prove this, and all records show New York City as the place of Caroline's birth in 1876, while the ROOS family had lived continuously in St. Clair County from the time of their arrival in this country until the 1880 census, and subsequently. The 1880 census of St. Clair County, Illinois, also shows several other children from "New York" who were "adopted" by local farm families. No local adoption records have been found so far for Carmelite/Caroline LORAN or for ROOS. We have checked Orphan Train records and have researched through the Orpahn Train Society, but with no luck. The ROOS family did not tell Caroline/Carmelite much about her origins (maybe they didn't really know themselves). One time they told her that her biological parents were killed in a "car" accident (assuming that this meant streetcar or railroad car). Another time, they told her that her real surname was GORDON, and another time they told her JORDAN. One time they told her that her ancestry was Irish, and another time they told her that her ancestry was Spanish. She married at the young age of 19 to Louis MAURATH and had 3 children. She died in 1928 in St. Louis, MO at the young age of 52. You can see her wedding picture at ... http://zither.us/zitherist.louis.maurath This is one of those dead-end brick walls, as I've been researching for Caroline/Carmelite's origins since I was young, for over 30 years, and even hired researchers a couple of times, but with no luck. So, I just thought I'd throw this out there again, and maybe someone is researching for their ancestors young sister name Caroline LORAN who was sent away from the family, for whatever reason. Or maybe some new leads have appeared? So, if anyone out there has any other ideas or suggestions or can help in any way, I'm open to hearing from you, and would really appreciate it. Thank you so much. John Maurath St. Louis, MO [email protected]

There's a bit of a debate about white gloves, but one school of thought (the one I subscribe to) is that while gloves are necessary when handling photographs, documents on paper are at a greater risk from gloved hands (because you lose dexterity when wearing gloves and are more likely to tear them) than from clean, dry, bare hands. Kathleen On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Lisa Thompson via <[email protected]> wrote: > I was so jealous looking at all of those old records! Thanks for sharing. > > A friend asked and I admit I was stumped - why wasn't anyone wearing gloves > while handling those old documents? Aren't they worried about preserving > them? > > Lisa > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Frances Brunner via < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Just thought the group would find this interesting: a short article and > > video of the NYC Department of Records and Information Service, from > > Gothamist.com. > > > > > http://gothamist.com/2015/11/17/nyc_oldest_records_vault.php?utm_source=Gothamist+Daily&utm_campaign=11dd018064-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_73240544d8-11dd018064-240161 > > > > Researching:Ireland/New York City: Carey, Gray, Glynn/Glinn, Bannon > > Lithuania/New York City: Buivydas, Mockevicius, > > GelumbauskasScotland/Ireland/Rhode Island/Connecticut/New York City: > > Drysdale, Duffy, Chapman-0-Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il > > croit.~Francois de La Rochefoucault > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I was so jealous looking at all of those old records! Thanks for sharing. A friend asked and I admit I was stumped - why wasn't anyone wearing gloves while handling those old documents? Aren't they worried about preserving them? Lisa On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Frances Brunner via < [email protected]> wrote: > Just thought the group would find this interesting: a short article and > video of the NYC Department of Records and Information Service, from > Gothamist.com. > > http://gothamist.com/2015/11/17/nyc_oldest_records_vault.php?utm_source=Gothamist+Daily&utm_campaign=11dd018064-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_73240544d8-11dd018064-240161 > > Researching:Ireland/New York City: Carey, Gray, Glynn/Glinn, Bannon > Lithuania/New York City: Buivydas, Mockevicius, > GelumbauskasScotland/Ireland/Rhode Island/Connecticut/New York City: > Drysdale, Duffy, Chapman-0-Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il > croit.~Francois de La Rochefoucault > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sent from my iPad > On Nov 17, 2015, at 11:08 PM, Frances Brunner via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just thought the group would find this interesting: a short article and video of the NYC Department of Records and Information Service, from Gothamist.com. > http://gothamist.com/2015/11/17/nyc_oldest_records_vault.php?utm_source=Gothamist+Daily&utm_campaign=11dd018064-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_73240544d8-11dd018064-240161 > > Researching:Ireland/New York City: Carey, Gray, Glynn/Glinn, Bannon Lithuania/New York City: Buivydas, Mockevicius, GelumbauskasScotland/Ireland/Rhode Island/Connecticut/New York City: Drysdale, Duffy, Chapman-0-Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit.~Francois de La Rochefoucault > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just thought the group would find this interesting: a short article and video of the NYC Department of Records and Information Service, from Gothamist.com. http://gothamist.com/2015/11/17/nyc_oldest_records_vault.php?utm_source=Gothamist+Daily&utm_campaign=11dd018064-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_73240544d8-11dd018064-240161 Researching:Ireland/New York City: Carey, Gray, Glynn/Glinn, Bannon Lithuania/New York City: Buivydas, Mockevicius, GelumbauskasScotland/Ireland/Rhode Island/Connecticut/New York City: Drysdale, Duffy, Chapman-0-Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit.~Francois de La Rochefoucault

I had posted a query about the VCA to the list some time ago and have just found a more amplified explanation on the New York History Blog/New York City's Evacuation Day Planned (http://newyorkhistoryblog.org). *"In the years immediately following 1783 there were apparently spontaneous demonstrations and parades around Bowling Green on Evacuation Day, which were largely led initially by Revolutionary War veterans. It was on Evacuation Day in 1790 that the New York Veteran Corps of Artillery (“VCA”) was formed as a company of soldiers designed to defend the City."*

Bernard, An article about the accident in 1911 in the Port Jervis Tri-States Union states the undertaker was C.L. Terwilliger & Son & internment was at Pond Eddy. Article said that he hadn't worked for the Erie railroad very long & little was known about him. Charles L. Terwilliger's business later became Terwilliger - Woolsey & was in Port Jervis. Perhaps the business still exists? Might they have historical records? It looks like Pond Eddy might only have three cemeteries: http://www.newyork-genealogy.com/Pond-Eddy-Genealogy.cfm Perhaps contact each one to see if Owen MORGAN is there, if there is a headstone, if the cem office has any other info? Regards, Sherri I am trying to find my great-grandfather Owen Morgan parents. I have been trying for 25 years now with little luck. Owen was from Ireland and settled in Manhattan around 1892. This year I finally got a clue to Owen's death, due to the transcribing upstate death records: an Owen Morgan of New York, recently employed as trackman on the Erie Railroad, was hit and killed by a freight train on 4th October 1911, and buried at the village of Pond Eddy. So three months ago I wrote the NYS for a copy of his death certificate, and still waiting? The website says it can take up to eight months! I would go the National Archives in New York City and look him up in the State index for deaths, however as of last Saturday the National Archive reading rooms across the county are now closed on all Saturdays of the month. I wrote to the Town of Lumberland which includes the village of Pond Eddy, however they have no records of his burial in the town. I have written to his Catholic parish back in Manhattan to see if they have a record of his death. And I will write to the Catholic church that oversees the Catholic chapel and its cemetery in Pond Eddy, NY. (Last time I did that I received a bill from New Cavalry for the past 100 years up kept of wife paupers grave.) So I am again at a lose on what to do next? Worse: the Erie Railroad and incident happen on the south side of the Delaware river in Pennsylvania. And death record says that a justice of the peace was sent for from Pennsylvania, to act as corner. Ancestry.com does have the Pennsylvania death index, however Owen is not to be found in 1911.

I would map out the town where he died and adjoining towns in both states.  Then I would find and get the contact info for three sources--the local public library, the local historical society (it may be on the county level), the person in each town who is the unofficial expert on local history.  There is always such a person.  Ask the librarian and the historical society who it might be. Then I would telephone each of those sources, being courteous and friendly, and tell them in brief what you describe below.  It will take patience and follow-up emails but establishing that personal contact is really worthwhile.  It makes the world go round. In non-genealogical historical research, I have done this many times and it usually is most helpful. This is a story with local interest and there should be newspaper articles and other info available. Good luck--Virginia   From: Bernard Morgan via <[email protected]>   I am trying to find my great-grandfather Owen Morgan parents. I have been trying for 25 years now with little luck. Owen was from Ireland and settled in Manhattan around 1892. This year I finally got a clue to Owen's death, due to the transcribing upstate death records: an Owen Morgan of New York, recently employed as trackman on the Erie Railroad, was hit and killed by a freight train on 4th October 1911, and buried at the village of Pond Eddy. Regard, Bernard.                            

Hello, If he was working for the railroad, have you tried to see if he was a member of the railroad union? There might have been a death benefit paid to his widow. Also, if the accident occurred on the Pennsylvania side of the river, you could try the Pike county library to see if any of the local newspapers published a story at the time. hope this helps. pete greene   From: Bernard Morgan via <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 4:06 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] NYS records?? I am trying to find my great-grandfather Owen Morgan parents. I have been trying for 25 years now with little luck. Owen was from Ireland and settled in Manhattan around 1892. This year I finally got a clue to Owen's death, due to the transcribing upstate death records: an Owen Morgan of New York, recently employed as trackman on the Erie Railroad, was hit and killed by a freight train on 4th October 1911, and buried at the village of Pond Eddy. So three months ago I wrote the NYS for a copy of his death certificate, and still waiting? The website says it can take up to eight months! I would go the National Archives in New York City and look him up in the State index for deaths, however as of last Saturday the National Archive reading rooms across the county are now closed on all Saturdays of the month. I wrote to the Town of Lumberland which includes the village of Pond Eddy, however they have no records of his burial in the town. I have written to his Catholic parish back in Manhattan to see if they have a record of his death. And I will write to the Catholic church that oversees the Catholic chapel and its cemetery in Pond Eddy, NY. (Last time I did that I received a bill from New Cavalry for the past 100 years up kept of wife paupers grave.) So I am again at a lose on what to do next? Worse: the Erie Railroad and incident happen on the south side of the Delaware river in Pennsylvania. And death record says that a justice of the peace was sent for from Pennsylvania, to act as corner. Ancestry.com does have the Pennsylvania death index, however Owen is not to be found in 1911. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regard, Bernard.                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to find my great-grandfather Owen Morgan parents. I have been trying for 25 years now with little luck. Owen was from Ireland and settled in Manhattan around 1892. This year I finally got a clue to Owen's death, due to the transcribing upstate death records: an Owen Morgan of New York, recently employed as trackman on the Erie Railroad, was hit and killed by a freight train on 4th October 1911, and buried at the village of Pond Eddy. So three months ago I wrote the NYS for a copy of his death certificate, and still waiting? The website says it can take up to eight months! I would go the National Archives in New York City and look him up in the State index for deaths, however as of last Saturday the National Archive reading rooms across the county are now closed on all Saturdays of the month. I wrote to the Town of Lumberland which includes the village of Pond Eddy, however they have no records of his burial in the town. I have written to his Catholic parish back in Manhattan to see if they have a record of his death. And I will write to the Catholic church that oversees the Catholic chapel and its cemetery in Pond Eddy, NY. (Last time I did that I received a bill from New Cavalry for the past 100 years up kept of wife paupers grave.) So I am again at a lose on what to do next? Worse: the Erie Railroad and incident happen on the south side of the Delaware river in Pennsylvania. And death record says that a justice of the peace was sent for from Pennsylvania, to act as corner. Ancestry.com does have the Pennsylvania death index, however Owen is not to be found in 1911. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regard, Bernard.

I haven't contacted the Children's Aid society because my grandpa came from the Foundling Hospital - the Catholic kids. We have his records from the nuns. I would now like more information on the parents listed on the birth certificate. Julie Bruggenthies Menomonie, WI -----Original Message----- From: Janis Mundy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:06 AM To: Julie Bruggenthies; [email protected] Subject: RE: [NYC-ROOTS] Little orphan girl goes from New York to Illinois Julie, have you contacted the Children's Aid Society - http://www.childrensaidsociety.org/ The archivist, Victor Remer, that I dealt with years ago was so helpful in helping me locate records on my husband's grandfather and his 5 siblings. They had a record for each child which included dates of departure from NYC to Kansas. In a few instances, they had pictures, letters, etc. Victor Remer has since passed away and I have been told that the New York Historical Library has the records now. Janis Mundy Reno, NV -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julie Bruggenthies via Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:52 AM To: maurath1; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Little orphan girl goes from New York to Illinois My grandpa came on the orphan train from NYC. We spent 50 yrs trying to find his birth cert. We were told that all the records at the Foundling hospital were destroyed in a fire. We later found out that wasn't true and I was able to get the microfiche records from his file though they weren't very legible. I finally contacted the lying-in Hospital in NYC and asked to look for his birth on the date we thought his birthday was. Turns out we thought his real name was Francis Braun - that is what the nuns led everyone to believe. His mother's name was Frances Braun. She named him John Braun and BINGO I got the birth cert. Took 50 years. He was "Indentured" in MN. I have been told you couldn't adopt back then. We thought he came when he was 13 since that is what the indentured papers said. BUT he is on the census at 5 years of age so we assume he was small when he came. From my research there were Catholic kids and protestant kids that came from the Children's home so! ciety. The catholic kids supposed already had a family where they were going to. The Protestant kids were loaded up and displayed at each train stop and people could pick a child. There is an Descendants of Orphan train gathering here every year still in MN. Julie Bruggenthies Menomonie, WI -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of maurath1 via Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Little orphan girl goes from New York to Illinois This is about my great-grandmother, who was sent as a little girl from New York to Illinois to live with a German immigrant farm family by the names of Valentin and Maria Magadalena ROOS (sometimes, ROSS, ROSE, etc.) in Millstadt, St. Clair County, Illinois. We don't know my great-grandmother's original birth name, but we assume that it could be Caroline LORAN, based on the 1880 census, which also showed "adopted", "state of New York". All other subsequent records show her name as Carmelitta "Carrie" ROOS, born in New York City on June 1, 1876. The name Carmelitta Mary ROOS was apparently given to her by the ROOS family, and later shortened to Carmelite or Carme. Valentin and Magdalena ROOS were already in their 60's at the time of the 1880 census, and they had two grown daughtes still living at home with them, and so we assumed that Caroline could have been an illegitimate daughter of one of these two, but research has not been able to prove this, and all records show New York City as the place of Caroline's birth in 1876, while the ROOS family had lived continuously in St. Clair County from the time of their arrival in this country until the 1880 census, and subsequently. The 1880 census of St. Clair County, Illinois, also shows several other children from "New York" who were "adopted" by local farm families. No local adoption records have been found so far for Carmelite/Caroline LORAN or for ROOS. We have checked Orphan Train records and have researched through the Orpahn Train Society, but with no luck. The ROOS family did not tell Caroline/Carmelite much about her origins (maybe they didn't really know themselves). One time they told her that her biological parents were killed in a "car" accident (assuming that this meant streetcar or railroad car). Another time, they told her that her real surname was GORDON, and another time they told her JORDAN. One time they told her that her ancestry was Irish, and another time they told her that her ancestry was Spanish. She married at the young age of 19 to Louis MAURATH and had 3 children. She died in 1928 in St. Louis, MO at the young age of 52. You can see her wedding picture at ... http://zither.us/zitherist.louis.maurath This is one of those dead-end brick walls, as I've been researching for Caroline/Carmelite's origins since I was young, for over 30 years, and even hired researchers a couple of times, but with no luck. So, I just thought I'd throw this out there again, and maybe someone is researching for their ancestors young sister name Caroline LORAN who was sent away from the family, for whatever reason. Or maybe some new leads have appeared? So, if anyone out there has any other ideas or suggestions or can help in any way, I'm open to hearing from you, and would really appreciate it. Thank you so much. John Maurath St. Louis, MO [email protected] s ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My grandpa came on the orphan train from NYC. We spent 50 yrs trying to find his birth cert. We were told that all the records at the Foundling hospital were destroyed in a fire. We later found out that wasn't true and I was able to get the microfiche records from his file though they weren't very legible. I finally contacted the lying-in Hospital in NYC and asked to look for his birth on the date we thought his birthday was. Turns out we thought his real name was Francis Braun - that is what the nuns led everyone to believe. His mother's name was Frances Braun. She named him John Braun and BINGO I got the birth cert. Took 50 years. He was "Indentured" in MN. I have been told you couldn't adopt back then. We thought he came when he was 13 since that is what the indentured papers said. BUT he is on the census at 5 years of age so we assume he was small when he came. From my research there were Catholic kids and protestant kids that came from the Children's home so! ciety. The catholic kids supposed already had a family where they were going to. The Protestant kids were loaded up and displayed at each train stop and people could pick a child. There is an Descendants of Orphan train gathering here every year still in MN. Julie Bruggenthies Menomonie, WI -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of maurath1 via Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Little orphan girl goes from New York to Illinois This is about my great-grandmother, who was sent as a little girl from New York to Illinois to live with a German immigrant farm family by the names of Valentin and Maria Magadalena ROOS (sometimes, ROSS, ROSE, etc.) in Millstadt, St. Clair County, Illinois. We don't know my great-grandmother's original birth name, but we assume that it could be Caroline LORAN, based on the 1880 census, which also showed "adopted", "state of New York". All other subsequent records show her name as Carmelitta "Carrie" ROOS, born in New York City on June 1, 1876. The name Carmelitta Mary ROOS was apparently given to her by the ROOS family, and later shortened to Carmelite or Carme. Valentin and Magdalena ROOS were already in their 60's at the time of the 1880 census, and they had two grown daughtes still living at home with them, and so we assumed that Caroline could have been an illegitimate daughter of one of these two, but research has not been able to prove this, and all records show New York City as the place of Caroline's birth in 1876, while the ROOS family had lived continuously in St. Clair County from the time of their arrival in this country until the 1880 census, and subsequently. The 1880 census of St. Clair County, Illinois, also shows several other children from "New York" who were "adopted" by local farm families. No local adoption records have been found so far for Carmelite/Caroline LORAN or for ROOS. We have checked Orphan Train records and have researched through the Orpahn Train Society, but with no luck. The ROOS family did not tell Caroline/Carmelite much about her origins (maybe they didn't really know themselves). One time they told her that her biological parents were killed in a "car" accident (assuming that this meant streetcar or railroad car). Another time, they told her that her real surname was GORDON, and another time they told her JORDAN. One time they told her that her ancestry was Irish, and another time they told her that her ancestry was Spanish. She married at the young age of 19 to Louis MAURATH and had 3 children. She died in 1928 in St. Louis, MO at the young age of 52. You can see her wedding picture at ... http://zither.us/zitherist.louis.maurath This is one of those dead-end brick walls, as I've been researching for Caroline/Carmelite's origins since I was young, for over 30 years, and even hired researchers a couple of times, but with no luck. So, I just thought I'd throw this out there again, and maybe someone is researching for their ancestors young sister name Caroline LORAN who was sent away from the family, for whatever reason. Or maybe some new leads have appeared? So, if anyone out there has any other ideas or suggestions or can help in any way, I'm open to hearing from you, and would really appreciate it. Thank you so much. John Maurath St. Louis, MO [email protected] s ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Julie, have you contacted the Children's Aid Society - http://www.childrensaidsociety.org/ The archivist, Victor Remer, that I dealt with years ago was so helpful in helping me locate records on my husband's grandfather and his 5 siblings. They had a record for each child which included dates of departure from NYC to Kansas. In a few instances, they had pictures, letters, etc. Victor Remer has since passed away and I have been told that the New York Historical Library has the records now. Janis Mundy Reno, NV -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julie Bruggenthies via Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:52 AM To: maurath1; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Little orphan girl goes from New York to Illinois My grandpa came on the orphan train from NYC. We spent 50 yrs trying to find his birth cert. We were told that all the records at the Foundling hospital were destroyed in a fire. We later found out that wasn't true and I was able to get the microfiche records from his file though they weren't very legible. I finally contacted the lying-in Hospital in NYC and asked to look for his birth on the date we thought his birthday was. Turns out we thought his real name was Francis Braun - that is what the nuns led everyone to believe. His mother's name was Frances Braun. She named him John Braun and BINGO I got the birth cert. Took 50 years. He was "Indentured" in MN. I have been told you couldn't adopt back then. We thought he came when he was 13 since that is what the indentured papers said. BUT he is on the census at 5 years of age so we assume he was small when he came. From my research there were Catholic kids and protestant kids that came from the Children's home so! ciety. The catholic kids supposed already had a family where they were going to. The Protestant kids were loaded up and displayed at each train stop and people could pick a child. There is an Descendants of Orphan train gathering here every year still in MN. Julie Bruggenthies Menomonie, WI -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of maurath1 via Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Little orphan girl goes from New York to Illinois This is about my great-grandmother, who was sent as a little girl from New York to Illinois to live with a German immigrant farm family by the names of Valentin and Maria Magadalena ROOS (sometimes, ROSS, ROSE, etc.) in Millstadt, St. Clair County, Illinois. We don't know my great-grandmother's original birth name, but we assume that it could be Caroline LORAN, based on the 1880 census, which also showed "adopted", "state of New York". All other subsequent records show her name as Carmelitta "Carrie" ROOS, born in New York City on June 1, 1876. The name Carmelitta Mary ROOS was apparently given to her by the ROOS family, and later shortened to Carmelite or Carme. Valentin and Magdalena ROOS were already in their 60's at the time of the 1880 census, and they had two grown daughtes still living at home with them, and so we assumed that Caroline could have been an illegitimate daughter of one of these two, but research has not been able to prove this, and all records show New York City as the place of Caroline's birth in 1876, while the ROOS family had lived continuously in St. Clair County from the time of their arrival in this country until the 1880 census, and subsequently. The 1880 census of St. Clair County, Illinois, also shows several other children from "New York" who were "adopted" by local farm families. No local adoption records have been found so far for Carmelite/Caroline LORAN or for ROOS. We have checked Orphan Train records and have researched through the Orpahn Train Society, but with no luck. The ROOS family did not tell Caroline/Carmelite much about her origins (maybe they didn't really know themselves). One time they told her that her biological parents were killed in a "car" accident (assuming that this meant streetcar or railroad car). Another time, they told her that her real surname was GORDON, and another time they told her JORDAN. One time they told her that her ancestry was Irish, and another time they told her that her ancestry was Spanish. She married at the young age of 19 to Louis MAURATH and had 3 children. She died in 1928 in St. Louis, MO at the young age of 52. You can see her wedding picture at ... http://zither.us/zitherist.louis.maurath This is one of those dead-end brick walls, as I've been researching for Caroline/Carmelite's origins since I was young, for over 30 years, and even hired researchers a couple of times, but with no luck. So, I just thought I'd throw this out there again, and maybe someone is researching for their ancestors young sister name Caroline LORAN who was sent away from the family, for whatever reason. Or maybe some new leads have appeared? So, if anyone out there has any other ideas or suggestions or can help in any way, I'm open to hearing from you, and would really appreciate it. Thank you so much. John Maurath St. Louis, MO [email protected] s ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is about my great-grandmother, who was sent as a little girl from New York to Illinois to live with a German immigrant farm family by the names of Valentin and Maria Magadalena ROOS (sometimes, ROSS, ROSE, etc.) in Millstadt, St. Clair County, Illinois. We don't know my great-grandmother's original birth name, but we assume that it could be Caroline LORAN, based on the 1880 census, which also showed "adopted", "state of New York". All other subsequent records show her name as Carmelitta "Carrie" ROOS, born in New York City on June 1, 1876. The name Carmelitta Mary ROOS was apparently given to her by the ROOS family, and later shortened to Carmelite or Carme. Valentin and Magdalena ROOS were already in their 60's at the time of the 1880 census, and they had two grown daughtes still living at home with them, and so we assumed that Caroline could have been an illegitimate daughter of one of these two, but research has not been able to prove this, and all records show New York City as the place of Caroline's birth in 1876, while the ROOS family had lived continuously in St. Clair County from the time of their arrival in this country until the 1880 census, and subsequently. The 1880 census of St. Clair County, Illinois, also shows several other children from "New York" who were "adopted" by local farm families. No local adoption records have been found so far for Carmelite/Caroline LORAN or for ROOS. We have checked Orphan Train records and have researched through the Orpahn Train Society, but with no luck. The ROOS family did not tell Caroline/Carmelite much about her origins (maybe they didn't really know themselves). One time they told her that her biological parents were killed in a "car" accident (assuming that this meant streetcar or railroad car). Another time, they told her that her real surname was GORDON, and another time they told her JORDAN. One time they told her that her ancestry was Irish, and another time they told her that her ancestry was Spanish. She married at the young age of 19 to Louis MAURATH and had 3 children. She died in 1928 in St. Louis, MO at the young age of 52. You can see her wedding picture at ... http://zither.us/zitherist.louis.maurath This is one of those dead-end brick walls, as I've been researching for Caroline/Carmelite's origins since I was young, for over 30 years, and even hired researchers a couple of times, but with no luck. So, I just thought I'd throw this out there again, and maybe someone is researching for their ancestors young sister name Caroline LORAN who was sent away from the family, for whatever reason. Or maybe some new leads have appeared? So, if anyone out there has any other ideas or suggestions or can help in any way, I'm open to hearing from you, and would really appreciate it. Thank you so much. John Maurath St. Louis, MO [email protected] s ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2

www.familysearch.org has them but you have to pay 7.50 per film and view at a family history library or affiliated library.  my local public library is an affiliate so it's very convenient.  enter your zip code on the familysearch site. remember marriage records available to the public only go up to 1937.Virginia   From: Bill Mayrose via <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 10:01 AM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] NYC Marriage Certificates I am interested in viewing a number of NYC marriage certificates from the 1930s.  Is there a location where I can view them before deciding if I want to purchase?  Thanks. Bill Mayrose                          ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message