In looking for these folks I've been using familysearch and also ancestry for any records I can possibly find using exact names as well as variations. I also browse for the name when possible in case I can't cover a variation with wildcards (due to too many hits). I'd like to get a bit further before I spend the cash on requesting searches in NY. I have not had great success with asking for searches. I know dates of birth can be incorrect and in some cases the people simply didn't know their exact date of birth. I've also seen instances where an official was given a written date of birth on a piece of paper but managed to transcribe it incorrectly onto a document. My family might not have knowingly given incorrect information but I've found a frustrating number of fluctuating facts about them. That means I have to follow any and all leads, many of which take me in the wrong direction. All of the info I have about these four family members comes from searching ancestry and fa! mily search, from verifiable info from Holy Cross, from William and Daniel's baptism records from Ireland and from the only census hit I've found -- the 1892 census where William is listed with his sister who is known to me. IF these are the people I think they are the adults were all born in Ireland. Only Mary was born in the US but she doesn't show up in a birth record. Unfortunately, given the time period of immigration the info on ship records is really pretty thin making it harder to determine if I've found the correct person. I find I often have to rely on knowing the people surrounding the person I'm researching so I can then search for them in likely groups. Since Mary, Daniel and Hannah aren't in a census I can't connect them to anyone but William and only because they share his grave. I had been hoping to find other databases that I should search but have missed. Another family member and I have nearly worn out those two databases searching and gathering information. Mary might have been in St. Joseph's but I won't know for sure until I see an address on her death certificate. It's actually been almost 7 weeks since I sent the request for the death certificates and it will be 4 weeks on Wednesday since they cashed my check on April 1. I think I said 2 weeks ago previously but that just prove I've been trying to put it aside in my mind. I've been researching this family on and off for 15 years so please understand my impatience. It wasn't until I was extremely lucky enough to meet someone on another email list who went above and beyond the call and help to connect me with my family in Ireland that I made any real progress. I even needed his help to get documents from the church. My envelopes to the church were apparently disappearing on their way. I don't understand why I have several men on the same side of my family who claim to be citizens in a census but for whom I can't find paperwork. From what I've been told there was a time when citizenship wasn't pursued as it is now (due to people being too busy working) and many people never did submit paperwork so maybe they just considered themselves to be citizens and left it at that? I took another look at the census info where one family member seemed to have the wrong name. Looking at the dates I'd guess it was because the woman named Lucy was there to help care for the family while the mother was dealing with the loss of a child 2 months prior. I didn't know a census taker would collect information about a family from a neighbor! That's quite a surprise! Hope I haven't bored anyone but I've worked long and hard on my research and didn't want anyone to think I'd given up after a few hours. I don't live in New York so going to the actual records isn't all that easy. The next best thing I can do is my local FHC which I will do as soon as I can. Kathy

Hi Kathy, Your questions to the list were very general, but you sound like you could use more help from readers. Instead of writing paragraphs of information, why don't you show us, for example, the facts from the 1892 census. Year>County>ED> full names, ages, etc Then, others may find something for you. Take care, Barb -----Original Message----- From: ktzndgs via nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com It's actuallybeen almost 7 weeks since I sent the request for the death certificates and itwill be 4 weeks on Wednesday since they cashed my check on April 1. I think Isaid 2 weeks ago previously but that just prove I've been trying to put it asidein my mind. I've been researching this family on and off for 15 years so pleaseunderstand my impatience.