Dear Friends, A while back some woman on this list told me about her Irish ancestor who died after a stabbing near the East River's active docks. She could not find verification in historical newspapers about the event. Yesterday another list member received a DC for his 25yo Irish ancestor who was was deliberately shot and killed by a pistol shot to his head, in a "saloon" owned by McKENNA in the meat packing district. This list member found many details about the execution style killing of his ancestor. This is all to say that these sorts of crimes should be verifiable in several ways: historical newspapers, Coroner's Reports and Autopsies. [Don't overlook the Historical New York Times; it does include everyday events of everyday people.] Would anyone like to share what records they tracked after discovering a crime where their Irish ancestor was a victim? Barb