NOTE: The Wall section is searchable and returns results. http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/search-who Certainly it does not give as many details as we'd like, [such as the hometown of the panel purchaser] but it gives clues, sometimes to the exact Irish homeland. After you put a surname into it and you see clues, below the clues click on "LOAD MORE," until you've seen every hit. Barb

Thank you Marie, for sharing this information. When I composed my post, I drew upon my journalism background and intentionally documented specifics and locations...in case, someone in the future, were to deny that the terrorist attack of the Unites States of America occurred on 11 September 2001. With the death of newspapers, and the expansion of news communications to hyper-text format, when we who lived it are gone, perhaps someone will read what we've posted and interpret them as eye witness accounts. Who ever expected that someday to be 13 years after the event? Barb ================= From: Marie V Melchiori : And a poll taken of George Washington University college students only 6 out of 30 interviewed knew what 9/11 was. http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/09/11/shocking-630-students-aware-911-anniversary-nearly-all-name-celeb-nude-photo-leak Another poll taken at George Mason University knew more of current pop stars then Benghazi http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/20/video-college-students-know-pharrell-not-about-benghazi And they will vote. Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL *Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C.* --------------------------------------------------------------- CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer mizscarlettny @aol.com: Subject: [BKLYN] 9/11/2001 LIST OF THOSE KILLED In 2011, the Associate Press compiled this list of Innocent Victims who lost their lives from the terrorist attacks on the soil of the United States of America, on the 11th day of September 2001 at The World Trade Center in New York City, United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and the Pentagon in Washinton D. C. The list of victims is continually updated. The NYC Medical Examiner struggles to identify thousands of victims' body parts. "To think that the sun rose in the east--that men and women were flexible, real, alive--that every thing was alive, To think that you and I did not see, feel,think, nor bear our part, To think that we are now here and bear our part." "To Think of Time" by Walt Whitman ((1819-1892) "The death toll does not include the 19 hijackers aboard the four jetliners that crashed at the attack sites. The World Trade Center death toll includes three victims who died of respiratory disease months to years after 9/11 and whose deaths were reclassified as homicides by the New York City medical examiner's office because of the victims' exposure to World Trade Center dust at the time of the twin towers' collapse. "The AP created its own database of the Sept. 11 victims immediately after the 2001 attacks, based on government records, family members and other public information. It is using the memorial foundation's records now because the foundation's records contain the most up-to-date personal information about the victims. The foundation is constantly updating its database." With all respect to those who lost their lives, and the families and friends who loved them, I'm afraid the list of victims is too long to post. As 32 year old American hero Todd Beamer said, "Let's Roll." >>>>>>>>>> http://www.azfamily.com/news/remembering-history/resources/List-of-those- killed-on-911-129584008.html And, to The Colonel, Pacific arena WW II, USA Reserves, who sacrificed so wars would not hit American shores. Barb =========================

And a poll taken of George Washington University college students only 6 out of 30 interviewed knew what 9/11 was. http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/09/11/shocking-630-students-aware-911-anniversary-nearly-all-name-celeb-nude-photo-leak Another poll taken at George Mason University knew more of current pop stars then Benghazi http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/20/video-college-students-know-pharrell-not-about-benghazi And they will vote. Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL *Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C.* --------------------------------------------------------------- CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists ® , used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM, jwilcox via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Thank you, Barb, for posting this- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mizscarlettny via [mailto:nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com] > To: > NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com,NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com,NYNASSAU@rootsweb.com > ,nywestch@r > ootsweb.com,nybrooklyn-l@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:42:38 -0400 > Subject: [BKLYN] 9/11/2001 LIST OF THOSE KILLED > In 2011, the Associate Press compiled this list of Innocent Victims who > lost > their lives from the terrorist attacks on the soil of > the United States of America, on the 11th day of September 2001 at The > World > Trade Center in New York City, > United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and the > Pentagon > in Washinton D. C. > The list of victims is continually updated. The NYC Medical Examiner > struggles to identify thousands of victims' body parts. > To think that the sun rose in the > east--that men > and women were > flexible, real, alive--that every thing was > alive, > To think that you and I did not see, feel, > think, nor bear our part, > To think that we are now here and bear our > part. > > "To > Think of Time" by Walt Whitman ((1819-1892) > "The death toll does not include the 19 hijackers aboard the four > jetliners > that crashed at the attack sites. The World Trade Center death toll > includes > three victims who died of respiratory disease months to years after > 9/11 and > whose deaths were reclassified as homicides by the New York City medical > examiner's office because of the victims' exposure to World Trade Center > dust at the time of the twin towers' collapse. > "The AP created its own database of the Sept. 11 victims immediately > after > the 2001 attacks, based on government records, family members and other > public information. It is using the memorial foundation's records now > because the foundation's records contain the most up-to-date personal > information about the victims. The foundation is constantly updating its > database." > With all respect to those who lost their lives, and the families and > friends > who loved them, I'm afraid the list of victims is too long to post. > As 32 year old American hero Todd Beamer said, "Let's Roll." >>>>>>>>>> > [1] > http://www.azfamily.com/news/remembering-history/resources/List-of-those- > killed-on-911-129584008.html > And, to The Colonel, Pacific arena WW II, USA Reserves, who sacrificed > so > wars would not hit American shores. > Barb > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [2]NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > References > > 1. > http://www.azfamily.com/news/remembering-history/resources/List-of-those-killed-on-911-129584008.html > 2. file://localhost/tmp/tmpRZTJUk.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, Barb, for posting this- ----- Original Message ----- From: mizscarlettny via [mailto:nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com] To: NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com,NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com,NYNASSAU@rootsweb.com,nywestch@r ootsweb.com,nybrooklyn-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:42:38 -0400 Subject: [BKLYN] 9/11/2001 LIST OF THOSE KILLED In 2011, the Associate Press compiled this list of Innocent Victims who lost their lives from the terrorist attacks on the soil of the United States of America, on the 11th day of September 2001 at The World Trade Center in New York City, United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and the Pentagon in Washinton D. C. The list of victims is continually updated. The NYC Medical Examiner struggles to identify thousands of victims' body parts. To think that the sun rose in the east--that men and women were flexible, real, alive--that every thing was alive, To think that you and I did not see, feel, think, nor bear our part, To think that we are now here and bear our part. "To Think of Time" by Walt Whitman ((1819-1892) "The death toll does not include the 19 hijackers aboard the four jetliners that crashed at the attack sites. The World Trade Center death toll includes three victims who died of respiratory disease months to years after 9/11 and whose deaths were reclassified as homicides by the New York City medical examiner's office because of the victims' exposure to World Trade Center dust at the time of the twin towers' collapse. "The AP created its own database of the Sept. 11 victims immediately after the 2001 attacks, based on government records, family members and other public information. It is using the memorial foundation's records now because the foundation's records contain the most up-to-date personal information about the victims. The foundation is constantly updating its database." With all respect to those who lost their lives, and the families and friends who loved them, I'm afraid the list of victims is too long to post. As 32 year old American hero Todd Beamer said, "Let's Roll." >>>>>>>>>> [1]http://www.azfamily.com/news/remembering-history/resources/List-of-those- killed-on-911-129584008.html And, to The Colonel, Pacific arena WW II, USA Reserves, who sacrificed so wars would not hit American shores. Barb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2]NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.azfamily.com/news/remembering-history/resources/List-of-those-killed-on-911-129584008.html 2. file://localhost/tmp/tmpRZTJUk.html

Thank you for the information Barb. Let's remember all the lost souls and those they left behind... Lauri Russell, APG Memeber BU OL 13 - Genealogical Reseracher Certificate, Boston University Online Forensic Genealogy Foundations 2014- CAFG, Dallas Texas Lauri.russell@gmail.com If you need research in Northeast FL, email me. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:42 PM, mizscarlettny via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com > wrote: > > > In 2011, the Associate Press compiled this list of Innocent Victims who > lost their lives from the terrorist attacks on the soil of > > the United States of America, on the 11th day of September 2001 at The > World Trade Center in New York City, > > United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and the Pentagon > in Washinton D. C. > > The list of victims is continually updated. The NYC Medical Examiner > struggles to identify thousands of victims' body parts. > > > To think that the sun rose in the east--that > men and women were > flexible, real, alive--that every thing was > alive, > To think that you and I did not see, feel, > think, nor bear our part, > To think that we are now here and bear our > part. > > "To > Think of Time" by Walt Whitman ((1819-1892) > > "The death toll does not include the 19 hijackers aboard the four > jetliners that crashed at the attack sites. The World Trade Center death > toll includes three victims who died of respiratory disease months to years > after 9/11 and whose deaths were reclassified as homicides by the New York > City medical examiner's office because of the victims' exposure to World > Trade Center dust at the time of the twin towers' collapse. > > "The AP created its own database of the Sept. 11 victims immediately after > the 2001 attacks, based on government records, family members and other > public information. It is using the memorial foundation's records now > because the foundation's records contain the most up-to-date personal > information about the victims. The foundation is constantly updating its > database." > > With all respect to those who lost their lives, and the families and > friends who loved them, I'm afraid the list of victims is too long to post. > > As 32 year old American hero Todd Beamer said, "Let's Roll." >>>>>>>>>> > > > http://www.azfamily.com/news/remembering-history/resources/List-of-those-killed-on-911-129584008.html > > And, to The Colonel, Pacific arena WW II, USA Reserves, who sacrificed so > wars would not hit American shores. > > Barb > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In 2011, the Associate Press compiled this list of Innocent Victims who lost their lives from the terrorist attacks on the soil of the United States of America, on the 11th day of September 2001 at The World Trade Center in New York City, United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and the Pentagon in Washinton D. C. The list of victims is continually updated. The NYC Medical Examiner struggles to identify thousands of victims' body parts. To think that the sun rose in the east--that men and women were flexible, real, alive--that every thing was alive, To think that you and I did not see, feel, think, nor bear our part, To think that we are now here and bear our part. "To Think of Time" by Walt Whitman ((1819-1892) "The death toll does not include the 19 hijackers aboard the four jetliners that crashed at the attack sites. The World Trade Center death toll includes three victims who died of respiratory disease months to years after 9/11 and whose deaths were reclassified as homicides by the New York City medical examiner's office because of the victims' exposure to World Trade Center dust at the time of the twin towers' collapse. "The AP created its own database of the Sept. 11 victims immediately after the 2001 attacks, based on government records, family members and other public information. It is using the memorial foundation's records now because the foundation's records contain the most up-to-date personal information about the victims. The foundation is constantly updating its database." With all respect to those who lost their lives, and the families and friends who loved them, I'm afraid the list of victims is too long to post. As 32 year old American hero Todd Beamer said, "Let's Roll." >>>>>>>>>> http://www.azfamily.com/news/remembering-history/resources/List-of-those-killed-on-911-129584008.html And, to The Colonel, Pacific arena WW II, USA Reserves, who sacrificed so wars would not hit American shores. Barb

and this page has some other options as well. There are tons of things to choose from regarding what category your suggestion falls under. I must say this is nicer than the other ways I have been told of in the past to make suggestions. This one actually worked for me LOL BUT there is no way to submit unless you take a one question survey rating how much you like the website. It is a simple "rate ancestry" on a scale of 1-10 so don't let the survey part throw you off. Here is the link for suggestions: http://www.ancestry.com/cs/suggestions So, if you have things you want to see changed, this seems to be a good way to ask for it. Of course whether we see results may be something totally different LOL but it sure seems better than their attempts in the past of being able to submit suggestions. -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

I have tried several times with people I know are there, but cannot seem to get it to generate results. I need others to test drive this so I know it is just not me...makes sure the record for someone is there to start with on a regular search and then use the narrow search function to try to find them. I am working with Sr VP over there to try and tell her bugs I am finding...but I don't know if this is me or if the narrow search thing just does not work. Please let me know whether it works for you or not. Thx. Joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

I quote a post from the NYC Roots site of today. Charles nails it. We are being used as test monkeys. Throw it up against the wall and see what sticks. The whole thing is sickening. _________________________________________________________________________ "One thing that has made it even easier for bad decision-makers to dump poorly developed software releases on the public like this is the preferred software development methodology now called Agile. While it can be decent if the project is managed well and it works great for web-based apps centrally hosted (SaaS), this also enables lazy, poor planner management to fly by the seat of their pants, figuring it out as they go along before dumping a half-baked, poorly researched software update. But, not to worry (says the incompetent management), we'll just come back after the fact with a series of many smaller releases (patches) to fix the mess (that they've created), fix what should have been right the first time before it ever went out the door to the public. In the old Waterfall development days, you had to do really good up-front planning, including nailing down the business requirements and doing expert analysis to develop a good software engineering design because once you launched into the software release development project, to go back and to rework mid-stream was very costly. This forced stakeholders and managers, basically held their feet to the fire, to get this right the first time around, forced them to make decisions and plan. It took a little longer to get the release out but if the project was managed right, including the QA work to make sure all the major bugs were found and fixed before general release, as well as some pilot or beta testing to get live end-user feedback to make the design was solid, functionality was good, etc. Using this feedback loop, any other needed changes were made as needed so when the release was launched, it was usually quite good. No development process is perfect but it all comes down to how well these things are researched, planned and then executed. This Ellis Island update is a prime example of people making decisions in a vacuum to drive an agenda (probably money-driven) and now using us, the end users, as their "test monkeys" to sort out all they should have gotten right the first time around. Get ready for what will likely be many months of a long series or smaller releases to "fix" things but it may never be as good as it was before. Just another classic example of the poor leadership making major decisions and weak, incompetent management running not only big companies that affect many peoples lives but the same thing in government too at all levels...where has the good, wise leadership gone? Who knows... -Charles Marshall"

Glad to hear they're planning to make improvements per genealogists' comments. Seriously, they've wiped everything pre-2010? Pretty sure that's when I did most of my research on their site. Hours and hours and hours of it. So much for an account meaning something :P Arielle in NoVA On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Joyce Presnall via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I just got a call from Ellis Island and they assured me they are listening > to what we have to say and will make changes as fast as they can. If you > are on Facebook you can go to the Ellis Island page and post what issues > you see so they can get everything fixed. > > They WANT us to put the site through the paces and try to identify > problems we find and post them on Facebook. > > Please pass this on to all the lists you are on. > > They know the search function is not working well right now and are working > on that. They are also going to make the "list" function (rather than the > "postcard" view) easier to find. > > Unfortunately any people you saved before 2010 are gone...they don't have > room to store it all. > > They had thought that our email addies and sign in info had previously been > brought over, but found out they were not...but it will get transferred > over. > > Unfortunately I now have a crazy website assigned password and can find no > way to change it... > > So the good news is they are listening...the bad news is they are not going > to give up this new website and the changes that make it not very user > friendly. They were advised to combine 4 websites into one which is a big > part of why the site is so confusing now. > > They know the pages on documents are showing up in reverse order and > apparently there is nothing they can do to fix that either. > > I am just glad I found most my folks before these changes, but I do have > one person I am trying to find now and don't know if I ever will the way > things are going... > > This may just be one website I don't use at all anymore...but I did not use > it a lot before...But I have one person now I am trying to find and these > new changes are slowing me down a lot. :-( > > Have a good day and I hope everyone gets pro-active with posting > facebook--that seems to be the best way to contact them right now. > > Joyce >

I just got a call from Ellis Island and they assured me they are listening to what we have to say and will make changes as fast as they can. If you are on Facebook you can go to the Ellis Island page and post what issues you see so they can get everything fixed. They WANT us to put the site through the paces and try to identify problems we find and post them on Facebook. Please pass this on to all the lists you are on. They know the search function is not working well right now and are working on that. They are also going to make the "list" function (rather than the "postcard" view) easier to find. Unfortunately any people you saved before 2010 are gone...they don't have room to store it all. They had thought that our email addies and sign in info had previously been brought over, but found out they were not...but it will get transferred over. Unfortunately I now have a crazy website assigned password and can find no way to change it... So the good news is they are listening...the bad news is they are not going to give up this new website and the changes that make it not very user friendly. They were advised to combine 4 websites into one which is a big part of why the site is so confusing now. They know the pages on documents are showing up in reverse order and apparently there is nothing they can do to fix that either. I am just glad I found most my folks before these changes, but I do have one person I am trying to find now and don't know if I ever will the way things are going... This may just be one website I don't use at all anymore...but I did not use it a lot before...But I have one person now I am trying to find and these new changes are slowing me down a lot. :-( Have a good day and I hope everyone gets pro-active with posting facebook--that seems to be the best way to contact them right now. Joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

Same thing happened to me. I have been trying to log in for 3 days and it won't let me. It won't let me change my password either.How did you get logged in? I don't want to lose my saved files either so I want to log in as usual not with a new account. I have gone to their facebook page and shared my complaints. Also am mailing a letter of complaint to their Board of Directors. How do they take a wonderful web site and make it useless. Another complainant emailed me a copy of the letter she is sending. She said I could share it and/or change it to my own words. If you want it let me know and I will forward it to you. The more complaints they get, the more likely they will change it back to the great site that it was. Dolores In a message dated 9/8/2014 11:51:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com writes: I was on the Ellis Island site a few weeks ago and no problem. Now, I spent an hour trying to login. What happened to the Saved Files? Thank you ________________________________ From: "nybrooklyn-request@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn-request@rootsweb.com> To: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 3:00 AM Subject: NYBROOKLYN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 126 Today's Topics: 1. Re: DECLINE of ELLIS ISLAND WEBsite (Mary D. Taffet) 2. Re: DECLINE of ELLIS ISLAND WEBsite (Marie V Melchiori) 3. Re: DECLINE of ELLIS ISLAND WEBsite (Mary D. Taffet) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 21:03:47 -0400 From: "Mary D. Taffet" <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> Subject: Re: [BKLYN] DECLINE of ELLIS ISLAND WEBsite To: Marie V Melchiori <marievm407@gmail.com> Cc: NYBrooklyn@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <540D0073.1060001@twcny.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Marie, If you're looking at one single page of the passenger manifest, you should see on the right-hand side 4 small thumbnails, with an arrow pointing up and an arrow pointing down. And the small thumbnails will have Image numbers. You can simply click on any of the other 3 images shown there to see it. If you click on the up arrow, it will show you the previous 4 images on that right-hand side. If you click on the down arrow, it will show you the following 4 images. You could use that to page through the passenger manifest. Not as user-friendly for sure, but possible. -- Mary On 9/7/2014 7:32 PM, Marie V Melchiori wrote: > OK, how do you get to the detained alien list? It may or may not be > indexed and I didn't find a way to get more than the one page. Anyone > have a clue if and how to scroll through the whole psg manifes? > > Marie > > Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL/ > Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C./ > --------------------------------------------------------------- > CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > service > marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists?, used under > license by > Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Mary D. Taffet via > <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com <mailto:nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com>> wrote: > > Joyce & Barb, > > I think some of the functionality you are missing may still be there. I > was able to get a list of all passengers with the last name "Taffet" for > instance. > > I went to "Passenger Search", entered a last name, and then clicked on > the right arrow to perform the search. The list came up, though I had > to click on the little icon indicating that I wanted to see a list view > instead of the larger horizontal icon view it starts with. > > I clicked first on the Passenger Record for one of the names in the > list. At that point I had to create a new account. It might be that if > I had used the correct email address with the "Forgot your Password" > link, it would have recognized me but then told me I needed to create a > new password. Anyways, once I created the new account, I was able to > view the passenger record, and from there I could view the manifest. > True the manifest enlarger is no longer there, but it is incorporated > into the page that shows you the manifest. Putting your mouse over the > manifest image will enlarge it right there in front of you, though you > do have to be careful to not scroll too fast with your mouse. You can > save the image to your profile, but I haven't investigated that function > yet. > > If you want to do some filtering of your results list, just click on the > little filter funnel, which brings up several different types of > filtering that you can do (Contains, Exact Matches, Close Matches, > Sounds Like, Alternate Spellings, and Last Name as First). I don't see > a way to do true wild card searching (like "T*f*t" for example), but I > haven't used the site directly in so long that I don't recall if that > type of functionality was ever there to begin with. > > Steve Morse's search tools (stevemorse.org <http://stevemorse.org>) > will still take you to the > page with the passenger you want on it. If you find his search tools > easier to use, you might want to make his search page your front end for > the Ellis Island site. > > -- Mary ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 23:28:09 -0400 From: Marie V Melchiori <marievm407@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [BKLYN] DECLINE of ELLIS ISLAND WEBsite To: "Mary D. Taffet" <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> Cc: NYBrooklyn@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAM9_nytWne6nc70y8BGSoHzrttFGXR+hb0u5ymf0CbEVKYnXeQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 OK, there are only 2 thumbnails and no arrows. http://libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiNjA1MjcxMTAwMzYx Ijs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7 It's a 1901 arrival and I have the copies from the NARA microfilm since 1976. I know the pages are there . Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL *Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C.* --------------------------------------------------------------- CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists ? , used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > Marie, > > If you're looking at one single page of the passenger manifest, you should > see on the right-hand side 4 small thumbnails, with an arrow pointing up > and an arrow pointing down. And the small thumbnails will have Image > numbers. You can simply click on any of the other 3 images shown there to > see it. If you click on the up arrow, it will show you the previous 4 > images on that right-hand side. If you click on the down arrow, it will > show you the following 4 images. You could use that to page through the > passenger manifest. Not as user-friendly for sure, but possible. > > -- Mary > > > > On 9/7/2014 7:32 PM, Marie V Melchiori wrote: > >> OK, how do you get to the detained alien list? It may or may not be >> indexed and I didn't find a way to get more than the one page. Anyone >> have a clue if and how to scroll through the whole psg manifes? >> >> Marie >> >> Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL/ >> Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C./ >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are >> service >> marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists?, used under >> license by >> Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. >> >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Mary D. Taffet via >> <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com <mailto:nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com>> wrote: >> >> Joyce & Barb, >> >> I think some of the functionality you are missing may still be >> there. I >> was able to get a list of all passengers with the last name "Taffet" >> for >> instance. >> >> I went to "Passenger Search", entered a last name, and then clicked on >> the right arrow to perform the search. The list came up, though I had >> to click on the little icon indicating that I wanted to see a list >> view >> instead of the larger horizontal icon view it starts with. >> >> I clicked first on the Passenger Record for one of the names in the >> list. At that point I had to create a new account. It might be that >> if >> I had used the correct email address with the "Forgot your Password" >> link, it would have recognized me but then told me I needed to create >> a >> new password. Anyways, once I created the new account, I was able to >> view the passenger record, and from there I could view the manifest. >> True the manifest enlarger is no longer there, but it is incorporated >> into the page that shows you the manifest. Putting your mouse over >> the >> manifest image will enlarge it right there in front of you, though you >> do have to be careful to not scroll too fast with your mouse. You can >> save the image to your profile, but I haven't investigated that >> function >> yet. >> >> If you want to do some filtering of your results list, just click on >> the >> little filter funnel, which brings up several different types of >> filtering that you can do (Contains, Exact Matches, Close Matches, >> Sounds Like, Alternate Spellings, and Last Name as First). I don't >> see >> a way to do true wild card searching (like "T*f*t" for example), but I >> haven't used the site directly in so long that I don't recall if that >> type of functionality was ever there to begin with. >> >> Steve Morse's search tools (stevemorse.org <http://stevemorse.org>) >> will still take you to the >> page with the passenger you want on it. If you find his search tools >> easier to use, you might want to make his search page your front end >> for >> the Ellis Island site. >> >> -- Mary >> > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 00:43:15 -0400 From: "Mary D. Taffet" <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> Subject: Re: [BKLYN] DECLINE of ELLIS ISLAND WEBsite To: Marie V Melchiori <marievm407@gmail.com> Cc: NYBrooklyn@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <540D33E3.2070804@twcny.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Yes, Marie, that one does look different from the previous one I had viewed that showed four thumbnails and scrolling arrows for up and down with a continuous set of image numbers. What I had described was based on what I saw for Blume Taffet (<http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAyNDkzMD kwNjE4Ijs=/beta>). I don't know what to suggest for the one you've pointed to; sorry... -- Mary On 9/7/2014 11:28 PM, Marie V Melchiori wrote: > OK, there are only 2 thumbnails and no arrows. > http://libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiNjA1MjcxMTAwMzYxIjs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7 > It's a 1901 arrival and I have the copies from the NARA microfilm since > 1976. I know the pages are there . > > Marie > > Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL/ > Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C./ > --------------------------------------------------------------- > CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > service > marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists?, used under > license by > Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com > <mailto:mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com>> wrote: > > Marie, > > If you're looking at one single page of the passenger manifest, you > should see on the right-hand side 4 small thumbnails, with an arrow > pointing up and an arrow pointing down. And the small thumbnails > will have Image numbers. You can simply click on any of the other 3 > images shown there to see it. If you click on the up arrow, it will > show you the previous 4 images on that right-hand side. If you > click on the down arrow, it will show you the following 4 images. > You could use that to page through the passenger manifest. Not as > user-friendly for sure, but possible. > > -- Mary > > > > On 9/7/2014 7:32 PM, Marie V Melchiori wrote: > > OK, how do you get to the detained alien list? It may or may not be > indexed and I didn't find a way to get more than the one page. > Anyone > have a clue if and how to scroll through the whole psg manifes? > > Marie > > Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL/ > Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C./ > ------------------------------__------------------------------__--- > CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical > Lecturer are > service > marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists?, used under > license by > Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. > ------------------------------ To contact the NYBROOKLYN list administrator, send an email to NYBROOKLYN-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Begin forwarded message: > From: tobinger32@gmail.com > Subject: National Cemeteries for Veterans Complete > Date: September 8, 2014 at 3:28:52 PM EDT > To: mizscarlettny <mizscarlettny@aol.com> > > Barb, > > See the history sections for each. > > Jerry > On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:04 PM, mizscarlettny via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> >> Dear Friends, >> >> I found the site for the National Cemeteries Administration >> >> but cannot find the date that NY cemeteries opened for burials. >> >> Does anyone know about: > >> Calverton: > http://www.cem.va.gov/CEM/cems/nchp/calverton.asp > >> Long Island National: > http://www.cem.va.gov/CEM/cems/nchp/longisland.asp > >> Cypress Hills: > http://www.cem.va.gov/CEM/cems/nchp/cypresshills.asp > >> Albany Rural: > http://www.cem.va.gov/cems/lots/albany_rural.asp >> >> Appreciate any leads. >> >> Barb >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you very much, Terry. Barb -----Original Message----- From: Terry Bora <terrybora@wowway.com> To: 'mizscarlettny' <mizscarlettny@aol.com>; ny-irish <ny-irish@rootsweb.com>; NYNEWYOR <NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com>; NYBrooklyn <NYBrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 8, 2014 2:18 pm Subject: RE: [NY-IRISH] Ntional Cemeteries for Veterans ???? Barb, here's a bit of what I found: HISTORICAL INFORMATION Calverton National Cemetery is located in eastern Long Island between the towns of Manorville and Riverhead in Suffolk County. When the National Cemetery System constructed Calverton National Cemetery in 1978, the cemetery became the third national cemetery to be located on Long Island. The other national cemeteries situated on Long Island are Cypress Hills National Cemetery, in Brooklyn, N.Y., which was established in 1862 and Long Island National Cemetery, in Farmingdale, N.Y., established in 1936. Terry -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mizscarlettny via Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:05 PM To: NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com; NYBrooklyn@rootsweb.com; NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com Subject: [NY-IRISH] Ntional Cemeteries for Veterans ???? Dear Friends, I found the site for the National Cemeteries Administration but cannot find the date that NY cemeteries opened for burials. Does anyone know about Calverton, Long Island National, Cypress Hills Albany Rural Appreciate any leads. Barb

​I looked for my grandparents on Ancestry and they were found (just where they have always been) arriving on the CALIFORNIA in May 1901 [image 549; lines 11-13]​ ​ tabbing through the rest of the CA there are 108 images. The last 9 pages [images 648-657] are for the detained aliens. My grandparents and uncle are on the last image/page of detainees. Going back to the Ellis Island site they appear on the CA [image 285] Today there are 4 thumbnails and arrows. Going to the end of the CA [image 313] there is only 1 page for the detained aliens. EI site only has 28 images to the end of the CA then starts with the BARBAROSSA. The "old" EI site had the missing pages. On both sites there are images of the Capt signing the arrival. Somewhere EI dropped a whole bunch of pages. I did send them an email to ask what happened to the other pages. ​ Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL *Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C.* --------------------------------------------------------------- CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service ​marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists ® , used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations.

OK, I looked at my 1901 passenger manifest and now it has the thumbnails to scroll through the list. I didn't go all the way to the Detained Aliens because it was hard to read the pages. That's on my "to-do" list for later today. Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL *Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C.* --------------------------------------------------------------- CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists ® , used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Joyce Presnall via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Thank you for pointing out the list view option, that was the "missing > feature" that was most upsetting to me...but I have to say I still don't > like the new site. Joyce > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> > wrote: > > > Joyce & Barb, > > > > I think some of the functionality you are missing may still be there. I > > was able to get a list of all passengers with the last name "Taffet" for > > instance. > > > > I went to "Passenger Search", entered a last name, and then clicked on > the > > right arrow to perform the search. The list came up, though I had to > click > > on the little icon indicating that I wanted to see a list view instead of > > the larger horizontal icon view it starts with. > > > > I clicked first on the Passenger Record for one of the names in the list. > > At that point I had to create a new account. It might be that if I had > > used the correct email address with the "Forgot your Password" link, it > > would have recognized me but then told me I needed to create a new > > password. Anyways, once I created the new account, I was able to view > the > > passenger record, and from there I could view the manifest. True the > > manifest enlarger is no longer there, but it is incorporated into the > page > > that shows you the manifest. Putting your mouse over the manifest image > > will enlarge it right there in front of you, though you do have to be > > careful to not scroll too fast with your mouse. You can save the image > to > > your profile, but I haven't investigated that function yet. > > > > If you want to do some filtering of your results list, just click on the > > little filter funnel, which brings up several different types of > filtering > > that you can do (Contains, Exact Matches, Close Matches, Sounds Like, > > Alternate Spellings, and Last Name as First). I don't see a way to do > true > > wild card searching (like "T*f*t" for example), but I haven't used the > site > > directly in so long that I don't recall if that type of functionality was > > ever there to begin with. > > > > Steve Morse's search tools (stevemorse.org) will still take you to the > > page with the passenger you want on it. If you find his search tools > > easier to use, you might want to make his search page your front end for > > the Ellis Island site. > > > > -- Mary > > > > > > > > > > On 9/7/2014 5:31 PM, Joyce Presnall via wrote: > > > >> The biggest problem I see (although I see many) is that you can no > longer > >> get a list by last name and where they are from...often that is our > >> biggest > >> clue as to who other family members are. Additionally, you cannot use > >> your > >> "back browser" to view something you just looked at...it tells you the > >> image has expired and you need to start your search over. > >> > >> I read on Facebook that they are going to move over who is saved in your > >> file BUT from now on those saved files will only stay there 30 days...so > >> if > >> you don't do something with that file in 30 days, POOF it is gone and > you > >> have to start your search all over again...so they are trying to force > you > >> "buy the image this month or you will lose it" > >> > >> I don't see any option for wildcard searches.... > >> > >> But to ME not being able to see a list of 25-100 ppl at one time is the > >> biggest drawback...THAT is your biggest clue as to who family members > may > >> be... > >> > >> Ugh they have messed up so many things it is hard to know which ones are > >> the worst... > >> > >> They have 20 something year old kids designing something that 60-80+ > year > >> old people are trying to use. Their search options were fine > before--yes > >> some things needed improvement but those improvements were minor. > >> > >> If they wanted to throw a bunch of money at the wall, they should have > >> looked over records for transcription errors...sure the old site wasn't > >> ideal, and a few things could have been improved, but they threw the > baby > >> out with the bathwater and the things that WERE good about the site are > >> gone. > >> > >> There was a LOT more flexibility for searching the way the site used to > be > >> set up...It is quite clear they got NO input from the "user group"...The > >> COULD have done a mass email to all who are registered on the site and > ask > >> about what changes people wanted to see...instead they got a bunch of IT > >> guys who don't know anything about genealogy, and made the site pretty > >> instead of functional...They should have put functionality first and > they > >> didn't. > >> > >> The primary reason they did the change to the way we see manifests is > they > >> did not want people copying the info via snipping tools...but the > control > >> over moving those passenger lists around is so imprecise that it is > >> difficult to keep focused on the lines you are trying to follow to get > the > >> details on that person... > >> > >> Did they REALLY think this is going to make more people order copies > from > >> them for manifests? It is not. The plain truth is they are too > >> expensive. People are just going to write down what they might have > >> snipped a copy of before... > >> > >> They messed up so much stuff it is crazy...I have yet to talk to one > >> person > >> who likes the changes...they took a lot of our ability to research in a > >> sane, organized manner away...this is a ship run amuck for sure... > >> > >> Joyce > >> > > > > > -- > Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, > Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, > Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, > Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, > Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, > Norton, Gerard, and many more... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Friends, I found the site for the National Cemeteries Administration but cannot find the date that NY cemeteries opened for burials. Does anyone know about Calverton, Long Island National, Cypress Hills Albany Rural Appreciate any leads. Barb

Albany Rural is limited to Albany County. This cemetery itself is over 150 years old (opened 1844 for general public of City of Albany) - opened to soliders of Albany 1862, closed 1897, only 0.16 acre for the purpose. Bath National - open (opened Dec 25, 1879) Cypress Hills National is closed to any burials. Opened 1862 Calverton National - open (opened 1978, largest of all national cemeteries) Gerald B. H. Solomon Saratoga National - open (116th, 6th in New York, opened 9 July 1999) Long Island National - cremation only (opened 1936) Woodlawn National - opened 1861, oldest David Samuelsen On 9/8/2014 12:04 PM, mizscarlettny via wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I found the site for the National Cemeteries Administration > > but cannot find the date that NY cemeteries opened for burials. > > Does anyone know about > Calverton, > Long Island National, > Cypress Hills > Albany Rural > > Appreciate any leads. > > Barb > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Great point, Diane. Obviously they did not look at other models. I found some ships manifests on Olive Tree, but all the ads on it make it hard to follow. Great info there though. Barb -----Original Message----- From: Diane Jacobs geniediane@comcast.net If they had checked with http://www.stevemorse.org they would have seen what a wonderful searchable database is. Here you can search many ways which added to your chances of you Finding the manifest you were looking for and to find others that You did not know were your family. Diane Jacobs

I tested your site and it is different and you can go through the whole pass manifest but slowly. I had passed the info on to two other lists and another researcher also had a problem leaving a response. Anyone firgured out how to do it from the web site? Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL *Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C.* --------------------------------------------------------------- CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists ® , used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > Yes, Marie, that one does look different from the previous one I had > viewed that showed four thumbnails and scrolling arrows for up and down > with a continuous set of image numbers. What I had described was based on > what I saw for Blume Taffet (<http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/ > passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAyNDkzMDkwNjE4Ijs=/beta>). > > I don't know what to suggest for the one you've pointed to; sorry... > > -- Mary > > > On 9/7/2014 11:28 PM, Marie V Melchiori wrote: > >> OK, there are only 2 thumbnails and no arrows. >> http://libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/ >> czoxMjoiNjA1MjcxMTAwMzYxIjs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7 >> It's a 1901 arrival and I have the copies from the NARA microfilm since >> 1976. I know the pages are there . >> >> Marie >> >> Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL/ >> Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C./ >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are >> service >> marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under >> license by >> Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. >> >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com >> <mailto:mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com>> wrote: >> >> Marie, >> >> If you're looking at one single page of the passenger manifest, you >> should see on the right-hand side 4 small thumbnails, with an arrow >> pointing up and an arrow pointing down. And the small thumbnails >> will have Image numbers. You can simply click on any of the other 3 >> images shown there to see it. If you click on the up arrow, it will >> show you the previous 4 images on that right-hand side. If you >> click on the down arrow, it will show you the following 4 images. >> You could use that to page through the passenger manifest. Not as >> user-friendly for sure, but possible. >> >> -- Mary >> >> >> >> On 9/7/2014 7:32 PM, Marie V Melchiori wrote: >> >> OK, how do you get to the detained alien list? It may or may not >> be >> indexed and I didn't find a way to get more than the one page. >> Anyone >> have a clue if and how to scroll through the whole psg manifes? >> >> Marie >> >> Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL/ >> Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C./ >> ------------------------------__---------------------------- >> --__--- >> CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical >> Lecturer are >> service >> marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under >> license by >> Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. >> >>