The reason, it seems, that your cursor keeps jumping around when you look at a manifest is ----- they did that on purpose - to prevent anyone from copying the manifest or any part of the manifest.....IMHO. Hold your mouse steady and move around the manifest slowly to review info you are looking for. According to other recent emails, we've been told that it will take up to 6 months to restore our 'saved' files. Other emails believe that these saved files are gone forever. That's about what I've learned. Jack ---------- Original Message ---------- From: carol wagner via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> To: "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BKLYN] Ellis Island Website Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:44:52 -0700 Has anyone seen an improvement in the new website? I still do not have my previous Saved File transferred. and I get a message that I have exceeded my limit. Yet when I look, there is nothing saved. I started to do new searches. Are we going to have to pay to use this site? And I cannot seem to look at a manifest, it keeps jumping around. I have been in touch with them, but it seems useless. Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Odd Trick Fights Diabetes &#34;Unique&#34; Proven Method To Control Blood Sugar In 3 Weeks. Watch Video. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5447246d2c5ac246d12d4st02vuc

Has anyone seen an improvement in the new website? I still do not have my previous Saved File transferred. and I get a message that I have exceeded my limit. Yet when I look, there is nothing saved. I started to do new searches. Are we going to have to pay to use this site? And I cannot seem to look at a manifest, it keeps jumping around. I have been in touch with them, but it seems useless. Thanks

I was expecting this. Clarification...the borders of France and German "as we know them today," AND as Ancestry incorrectly labels them in the 19th century. I was not speaking of monarchies, princips, duchies, etc etc etc Anyone is welcome to contribute general information, tips, etc to these lists, Fred, that may help readers with their specific research. As I've said a million times, it's much easier to edit someone else's writing than to compose it. Mea culpa Barb -----Original Message----- From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump@gmail.com> To: mizscarlettny <mizscarlettny@aol.com> Cc: NY-IRISH <NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com>; NYNEWYOR <NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com>; NYBrooklyn <NYBrooklyn@rootsweb.com>; NYNASSAU <NYNASSAU@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 20, 2014 12:52 pm Subject: Re: [BKLYN] GERMAN immigrants Minor quivel here, France has been a country and kingdom since the Ancien Regime formed a centralized monarchial government in the 15th century. While there were succession problems and lots of internal resistance to a centralized form of taxation the French kings still ruled one country and were able to continually grab more land from the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation precisely because it was scattered about in individual principalities. The push was always to get to the Rhine and join all that land with the French Kingdom. Louis XIV invaded and annexed Lorraine and Alcase to become French with a Germanic population and caused troubles almost to the current day. On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:04 AM, mizscarlettny via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > Recently, there was online chat re: German immigrants intermarrying with Irish immigrants in NYC. Several sources I've read said this was a natural combination as both groups of Catholics were religiously devote. > > A couple of people emailed me about German immigrants. I'm more savvy about my German Catholic immigrants, than my non Catholic roots. So, I sure hope some of you will chime in here. > > Here are some basics about German immigrants. > > 1- There are still more German-Americans in the USA than any other group. > > 2- Germany & France were not countries during the peak of immigration to the USA. > > 3- Germans often immigrated due to wars or to avoid military service. [See: Napoleonic Wars, German to Russia] > > 4- The Lower East Side aka LES was the largest concentration of German speaking immigrants to NYC. It was known as "Kleindeutschland." This includes "alphabet city," e.g. Ave A, B, etc , and around Tompkins Square Park. [Google search] > > 5- On June 15, 1904, the General Slocum, a side-wheeling excursion boat, caught fire and sank, taking the lives of over 1,000 residents. It was the worst tragedy in NYC history until Muslim terrorists attacked the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001. The weekday, dayliner trip was sponsored by the German Evangelical Lutheran > Church of St. Mark of 325 West 6th Street, NY, NY 10003. Today it is a synagogue. This event changed the new world for Catholic and non Catholic German immigrants. TIP> view names of victims, as well as names of those who identified victims. > > NYT hist. news: http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0615.html > IMAGES of Slocum: http://www.general-slocum.com/webimages/ > VICTIMS: http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.disasters.usa.genlslocum/22/mb.ashx > > 6- After the disaster, this German enclave dissipated. Many folks moved north around 91st St and 1st Avenue; called "Yorkville." Others moved near Lutheran Cemetery in Middle Village, Queens, where many victims were interred. > > 7- Knowing the religion of your German ancestors is helpful with NYC church records. If you now your ancestors' Germanic homeland, that may be a clue. For example, Bavaria was a region that was predominantly Catholic. > Germans from certain areas clustered together in specific NYC Wards. [Google & Wikipedia search the wards by number.] > > 8- When searching NYC churches, search by ethnicity and religion. The records of closed churches always repose at another active parish. Note: St. Alphonus, once on West Broadway and Thompson, on this list> > http://bklyn-genealogy-info.stevemorse.org/Worship/Manh.Catholic.zip.html > is a good resource for German Catholic records. > > I like this list because it's organized by ZIP code. Do you have today's ZIP code for your old addresses? hmmmm > That's what I thought. HEADS UP: Run every address in your family repertoire through Google search. Today, > some folks are also including the GPS locations of family places, too. > > 9- Germans usually had a trade/occupation, unlike the Irish who often appear in census records for decades as "lab." = laborer. BTW at one time there were 8,000 German cigar makers. > > 10- The absolutely best book I've found that that compares early Irish Catholics to German Catholics in NYC is> > "The Immigrant Church: New York's Irish and German Catholics, 1815-1865" by Jay P. Dolan > > I hope this opens a few eyes and I hope others will address non-Catholic Germans in NYC, especially > those from Prussia. > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Fred Rump, 730 5th St. NW Naples, FL 34120 fredrump@gmail.com 239-775-7838 http://www.rumpfamily1.phanfare.com http://fredrump.blogspot.com http://www.facebook.com/fred.rump

Minor quivel here, France has been a country and kingdom since the Ancien Regime formed a centralized monarchial government in the 15th century. While there were succession problems and lots of internal resistance to a centralized form of taxation the French kings still ruled one country and were able to continually grab more land from the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation precisely because it was scattered about in individual principalities. The push was always to get to the Rhine and join all that land with the French Kingdom. Louis XIV invaded and annexed Lorraine and Alcase to become French with a Germanic population and caused troubles almost to the current day. On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:04 AM, mizscarlettny via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > Recently, there was online chat re: German immigrants intermarrying with Irish immigrants in NYC. Several sources I've read said this was a natural combination as both groups of Catholics were religiously devote. > > A couple of people emailed me about German immigrants. I'm more savvy about my German Catholic immigrants, than my non Catholic roots. So, I sure hope some of you will chime in here. > > Here are some basics about German immigrants. > > 1- There are still more German-Americans in the USA than any other group. > > 2- Germany & France were not countries during the peak of immigration to the USA. > > 3- Germans often immigrated due to wars or to avoid military service. [See: Napoleonic Wars, German to Russia] > > 4- The Lower East Side aka LES was the largest concentration of German speaking immigrants to NYC. It was known as "Kleindeutschland." This includes "alphabet city," e.g. Ave A, B, etc , and around Tompkins Square Park. [Google search] > > 5- On June 15, 1904, the General Slocum, a side-wheeling excursion boat, caught fire and sank, taking the lives of over 1,000 residents. It was the worst tragedy in NYC history until Muslim terrorists attacked the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001. The weekday, dayliner trip was sponsored by the German Evangelical Lutheran > Church of St. Mark of 325 West 6th Street, NY, NY 10003. Today it is a synagogue. This event changed the new world for Catholic and non Catholic German immigrants. TIP> view names of victims, as well as names of those who identified victims. > > NYT hist. news: http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0615.html > IMAGES of Slocum: http://www.general-slocum.com/webimages/ > VICTIMS: http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.disasters.usa.genlslocum/22/mb.ashx > > 6- After the disaster, this German enclave dissipated. Many folks moved north around 91st St and 1st Avenue; called "Yorkville." Others moved near Lutheran Cemetery in Middle Village, Queens, where many victims were interred. > > 7- Knowing the religion of your German ancestors is helpful with NYC church records. If you now your ancestors' Germanic homeland, that may be a clue. For example, Bavaria was a region that was predominantly Catholic. > Germans from certain areas clustered together in specific NYC Wards. [Google & Wikipedia search the wards by number.] > > 8- When searching NYC churches, search by ethnicity and religion. The records of closed churches always repose at another active parish. Note: St. Alphonus, once on West Broadway and Thompson, on this list> > http://bklyn-genealogy-info.stevemorse.org/Worship/Manh.Catholic.zip.html > is a good resource for German Catholic records. > > I like this list because it's organized by ZIP code. Do you have today's ZIP code for your old addresses? hmmmm > That's what I thought. HEADS UP: Run every address in your family repertoire through Google search. Today, > some folks are also including the GPS locations of family places, too. > > 9- Germans usually had a trade/occupation, unlike the Irish who often appear in census records for decades as "lab." = laborer. BTW at one time there were 8,000 German cigar makers. > > 10- The absolutely best book I've found that that compares early Irish Catholics to German Catholics in NYC is> > "The Immigrant Church: New York's Irish and German Catholics, 1815-1865" by Jay P. Dolan > > I hope this opens a few eyes and I hope others will address non-Catholic Germans in NYC, especially > those from Prussia. > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Fred Rump, 730 5th St. NW Naples, FL 34120 fredrump@gmail.com 239-775-7838 http://www.rumpfamily1.phanfare.com http://fredrump.blogspot.com http://www.facebook.com/fred.rump

Another great book regarding American immigrants to NYC in general is "How the Other Half Lives" by era photojournalist by Jacob Riis. It is loaded with photographs. This book dedicates a whole chapter to German cigar makers. At one time there were 8,000 in NYC. LINK to Immigration Info> http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=Overview_of_Immigration_Research Yet another book about growing up immigrant in and poor in NYC is Luc Sante's "Low Life." If you don't own more than three genealogical and photographic books, you're not serious. Barb

Dear Friends, Recently, there was online chat re: German immigrants intermarrying with Irish immigrants in NYC. Several sources I've read said this was a natural combination as both groups of Catholics were religiously devote. A couple of people emailed me about German immigrants. I'm more savvy about my German Catholic immigrants, than my non Catholic roots. So, I sure hope some of you will chime in here. Here are some basics about German immigrants. 1- There are still more German-Americans in the USA than any other group. 2- Germany & France were not countries during the peak of immigration to the USA. 3- Germans often immigrated due to wars or to avoid military service. [See: Napoleonic Wars, German to Russia] 4- The Lower East Side aka LES was the largest concentration of German speaking immigrants to NYC. It was known as "Kleindeutschland." This includes "alphabet city," e.g. Ave A, B, etc , and around Tompkins Square Park. [Google search] 5- On June 15, 1904, the General Slocum, a side-wheeling excursion boat, caught fire and sank, taking the lives of over 1,000 residents. It was the worst tragedy in NYC history until Muslim terrorists attacked the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001. The weekday, dayliner trip was sponsored by the German Evangelical Lutheran Church of St. Mark of 325 West 6th Street, NY, NY 10003. Today it is a synagogue. This event changed the new world for Catholic and non Catholic German immigrants. TIP> view names of victims, as well as names of those who identified victims. NYT hist. news: http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0615.html IMAGES of Slocum: http://www.general-slocum.com/webimages/ VICTIMS: http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.disasters.usa.genlslocum/22/mb.ashx 6- After the disaster, this German enclave dissipated. Many folks moved north around 91st St and 1st Avenue; called "Yorkville." Others moved near Lutheran Cemetery in Middle Village, Queens, where many victims were interred. 7- Knowing the religion of your German ancestors is helpful with NYC church records. If you now your ancestors' Germanic homeland, that may be a clue. For example, Bavaria was a region that was predominantly Catholic. Germans from certain areas clustered together in specific NYC Wards. [Google & Wikipedia search the wards by number.] 8- When searching NYC churches, search by ethnicity and religion. The records of closed churches always repose at another active parish. Note: St. Alphonus, once on West Broadway and Thompson, on this list> http://bklyn-genealogy-info.stevemorse.org/Worship/Manh.Catholic.zip.html is a good resource for German Catholic records. I like this list because it's organized by ZIP code. Do you have today's ZIP code for your old addresses? hmmmm That's what I thought. HEADS UP: Run every address in your family repertoire through Google search. Today, some folks are also including the GPS locations of family places, too. 9- Germans usually had a trade/occupation, unlike the Irish who often appear in census records for decades as "lab." = laborer. BTW at one time there were 8,000 German cigar makers. 10- The absolutely best book I've found that that compares early Irish Catholics to German Catholics in NYC is> "The Immigrant Church: New York's Irish and German Catholics, 1815-1865" by Jay P. Dolan I hope this opens a few eyes and I hope others will address non-Catholic Germans in NYC, especially those from Prussia. Barb

Closing Exercises Immaculate Conception [Grammar] School School Hall, June 26, 1933 Eight P.M. Rev Edward J Higgins, Presiding Jean Becker Albert Bott William Brady Mary Brennan Pauline Brown Francis Conlan Marie Cunningham James Daley Eileen Devanney Kathleen Devaney James Egan Florence Folk Eileen Friedel Katherine Gallagher Hannah Gilleran Catherine Grego John Hellemeyer Francis Hubig John Kemp Gloria Lane Charles Lawless Thomas Maloney Catherine Mannion Eugene McCallan Catherine Mc Carthy Alice McClane Rose Marie McDonald Theresa Mergl Richard Morrisey Thomas Mullins Catherine Murphy Francis Nelson Virginia Neville Janet Parker Gertrude Pilkington Mary Pogonik John Rotchford Daniel Ryan Donald Snellback Margaret Tiernan Helen Tuohy James Turley Arthur Walsh Mary Warren Finnan Woods Robert Young

* At this time in parochial school education, students had to graduate each semester, to be passed onto the next grade. Semesters were called, first A, then B, sol one might say they were in grade 6 B. Commencement Exercises Immaculate Conception [Grammar] School Astoria, Long Island, New York Monday, June 27, 1932 Valedictorian.....John McClane Salutatorian.......Mary Kudrnac January Class: Martin Benack Charles Brazdovic Doris Byrnes Thomas Callinan Adelaide Corcoran Margaret Donahue Edward DeLeon Josephine Head Albert Mercier Mildred Morrisey Francis McQuaid Florence Reynolds John Ronan Helen Smith June Class: Margaret Barrett Robert Boody Rose Carey Eileen Curran Joseph Eagan Hilda Frederick William Gieckel Francis Krause Mary Kudrnac William Lamb Margaret Mulqueen John McClane Joseph McSweeney Francis Richters Margaret Ryan George Siegman Anna Sullivani

LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you for sharing this, What memories of the times when I lived there as my family moved from there, away, then back, away again, back once more, out for the last time and finally ended up in Miami Beach, FL. PS 139, Erasmus Hall HS, Flatbush Ave, Prospect Park and of course the beaches and Coney Island!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joan On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:05 AM, mizscarlettny via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > If you grew up in Brooklyn, you'll enjoy this! > http://www.screanews.us/NewYork/BrooklynOld.htm > > Barb > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If you grew up in Brooklyn, you'll enjoy this! http://www.screanews.us/NewYork/BrooklynOld.htm Barb

Please pass this on> On Wednesday, October 8th 4-6pm The Lower East Side Tenement Museum cordially invites teachers to a reception at Lower East Side Tenement Museum 103 Orchard Street, New York, NY 10002 212.982.8420 R.S.V.P. here> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/11Ynuj5KsdUQ2dox6demY8rAZyo2MQwovywPgo5gs1RM/viewform?formkey=dHlmblJ5RnpIVXIzMVJ0eW1UdEFhU2c6MQ

In 1987 U.S. President Ronald Regan proclaimed October 6th German American History Day which honors settlers to what became the USA since October 6, 1683. Those of us with German ancestors, whose descendants were born in the United States long before The Great War and World War II, may know about the prejudiced climate that our people faced due to these wars. Until I researched my family genealogy, my living paternal side always told us that we were Holland-Dutch. Excerpted from Regan's proclamation> "The United States has embraced a vast array of German traditions, institutions, and influences. Many of these have become so accepted as parts of our way of life that their ethnic origin has been obscured. For instance, Christmas trees and Broadway musicals are familiar features of American society. Our kindergartens, graduate schools, the social security system, and labor unions are all based on models derived from Germany. "German teachers, musicians, and enthusiastic amateurs have left an indelible imprint on classical music, hymns, choral singing, and marching bands in our country. In architecture and design, German contributions include the modern suspension bridge, Bauhaus, and Jugendstil. German-American scientists have helped make the United States the world's pioneer in research and technology. The American work ethic, a major factor in the rapid rise of the United States to preeminence in agriculture and industry, owes much to German-Americans' commitment to excellence." To date, Germans are the largest immigrant group in the United States of America. Barb

Finding Your Roots with Henry Louis Gates, Jr. "Our American Storytellers" Tuesday, October 7, 2014 8pm eastern Channel: PBS, 13 in metro NYC Focus: Ken Burns & Civil War ancestor Anderson Cooper's Southern roots Anna Deavere Smith & Underground Railroad

An answer for you> Ancestry.com Inc., formerly The Generations Network, is a privately held Internet company named PERMIRA based in Provo, Utah, United States. The largest for-profit genealogy company in the world, it operates a network of genealogical and historical record websites focused on the United States and nine foreign countries, develops and markets genealogical software, and offers a wide array of genealogical related services.[2] As of December 2013, the company provided access to approximately 12.7 billion records and had 2.14 million paying subscribers. User-generated content included 191 million uploaded photos and more than 16 million uploaded stories.[3] OWNS 1000memories.com Ancestry.com Archives.com Family Tree Maker software Fold3.com Genealogy.com MyFamily.com Newspapers.com ProGenealogists Rootsweb.com

My son-in-law is in the Patriot Guards in the Asheville, NC area. Two years ago while visiting my family, my husband and I had the privilege of welcoming home our WWII vets from that area from their visit to Washington DC. A band played, we all stood with large flags and greeted these men and some women as they came into the terminal. Many of them cried and said they weren't greeted like this when they returned from the war. My husband a Vietnam Vet was wearing a baseball cap with Navy on it and as he saluted a Navy vet from WWII who happened to be wearing his hat from boot camp, this man saluted him right back and said thank you because you served too. We felt so honored and so blessed to be a part of this wonderful day. On 10/4/2014 2:11 PM, mizscarlettny via wrote: > > > Have you heard of "honor Flight" before ? > I heard of specific trips but had no idea that an organized > group sponsors them. > > "Honor Flights" is a patriotic program that honors our > World War II and terminally ill heroes by transporting them > to Washington D.C. memorials, free of charge. > > This is the homepage for Hudson Valley [NY] Honor Flights, > http://hvhonorflight.com/about-us/ > which is part of the National Honor Flight Network. > The network has 100+ non-profit “hubs” across the USA. > > Future plans here are to host Korean and Viet Nam veterans. > > The next Honor Flight for Westchester County is 18 October 2014. > > Barb > . > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4037/8324 - Release Date: 10/04/14

Have you heard of "honor Flight" before ? I heard of specific trips but had no idea that an organized group sponsors them. "Honor Flights" is a patriotic program that honors our World War II and terminally ill heroes by transporting them to Washington D.C. memorials, free of charge. This is the homepage for Hudson Valley [NY] Honor Flights, http://hvhonorflight.com/about-us/ which is part of the National Honor Flight Network. The network has 100+ non-profit “hubs” across the USA. Future plans here are to host Korean and Viet Nam veterans. The next Honor Flight for Westchester County is 18 October 2014. Barb .

Hi Steve, and all, If you're interested in family business records, they are self-searchable at the county clerk's office, but only trackable and filed by name of business. Each NYC county has its own clerk's office. When three of us researched at the NY Co Clerk's Office, two of us scored hits as the businesses names included our surnames. Barb =========== Hi:Great site for newspaper articles ... I had no info on my GGG-fathers business Adele Knitting. I found the original lease he signed on his business and also personal info Steve

A quick reminder to all, as I forgot all about this. When you order any books from Amazon, please go through the NY-Irish homepage here> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/. Scan midway down to the image of a book, then click on it. It will show an image of this book> The Irish Brigade in the Civil War by Joseph G. Bilby The 69th New York and other NY Regiments Whether you purchase this book, or others, the NY-Irish list will receive some financial support and you will help to keep it free. *This is a handy spot to order your holiday gifts, too. Many thanks to our List Admin, Pat Connors for all of her genie-passion, knowledge, sacrifice, and dedication to keeping this list a success. Barb

Sure is, Jack. Choose your time frame and state in USA from the drop downs. Although they claim that they're constantly uploading more years and issues, the scope of their New York historical newspapers feels minimal to me. I only got one hit for one name, and that was for a "common Irish name: Mary Fitzgerald! Go figure. Barb -----Original Message----- From: jacklangton via nynewyor@rootsweb.com Hi, Thanks for the reminder. The free part is nice, but I've always gotten bogged down in the search part. Are there ways to simplify the process? Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: buffycat@juno.com via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Hi: I just came across this site for newspaper articles that is free and fairly easy to use. If you are already familiar with it just delete. http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/

Dear Friends, This may be a good lead for many of us. I recently spoke with a dear friend who's an attorney licensed to practiced in New York, Arizona and Wyoming. I asked him if their was a required venues for WILLs. He said, "A will which is validly executed can be probated in any county or any state." Interesting? Barb