I wanted to pass on what I've learned while waiting for the death certificates I ordered just under 10 weeks ago. The first time I contacted the archives 2 weeks ago to find out where my certificates were they said they were printing orders from March and the first 2 weeks of April so I should have them shortly. I waited until today and asked again. I did get a prompt reply but now they say orders for death certificates for Manhattan (1928-1948), Brooklyn and other boroughs are processed in 6-10 weeks. The reply I got today said they're digitizing 10.5 million historical vital records (birth, marriage, death) so I guess I can understand that they're otherwise occupied. If you're looking for a marriage record you're in luck! They're all done and you should get a response very quickly! The response said birth record requests are processed in 4-6 weeks. If you're looking for a death certificate it's a very long wait. :( I'm trying really hard to be patient. Kathy

u-oh! It slipped by me, correct url for Kings co is http://www.sampubco.com/wills/ny/nykings01.htm On 5/14/2015 10:14 AM, W David Samuelsen via wrote: > Kings County, NY - will testators Vol 58-61 (1874-1876) had been uploaded. > > Other bits of lists uploaded since April 1 > Baltimore City Maryland (not Baltimore County) > Atlantic co, New Jersey > Windsor co - Windsor District Vermont > Rensselaer co New York > Ulster co New York > Westchester co New York > Wyoming co New York > > The site is in process of being converted into mobile-ready so it is > use-able on all format (desktop, tablets and smartphones) > > Fully free browsable lists. Mobile Users, for best result, turn sideways > or horizontal or long-way > > http://www.sampubco.com/wills/ny/nyrensselaer01.htm > > W. David Samuelsen > SAMPUBCO

Kings County, NY - will testators Vol 58-61 (1874-1876) had been uploaded. Other bits of lists uploaded since April 1 Baltimore City Maryland (not Baltimore County) Atlantic co, New Jersey Windsor co - Windsor District Vermont Rensselaer co New York Ulster co New York Westchester co New York Wyoming co New York The site is in process of being converted into mobile-ready so it is use-able on all format (desktop, tablets and smartphones) Fully free browsable lists. Mobile Users, for best result, turn sideways or horizontal or long-way http://www.sampubco.com/wills/ny/nyrensselaer01.htm W. David Samuelsen SAMPUBCO

To add to this discussion. I applied for and received a headstone for my great grandfather, David Kiepler, (Co. C, 131 NY Infantry) 2 years ago. He is buried in the Germain Metternich GAR Post #122 in Lutheran-All Faiths Cemetery in Queens. I had always assumed he had a stone because he was buried in a GAR Post cemetery.....wrong. He didn't and the VA supplied it and the cemetery erected it at no cost. We are hoping to have a ceremony in Nov by the Oliver Tilden Camp #26, <http://www.olivertildencamp26suvcw.org/index.html> Sons of Union Veterans CW. You will have to supply proof of his service and the VA now requires proof of relationship. Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 10:59 AM, mizscarlettny via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com > wrote: > > Hello Virginia, Pauline, and interested others, > > I am copying Jeff Richman at Green-Wood Cemetery to include him in this > chat. > http://www.va.gov/vaforms/va/pdf/VA40-1330.pdf > > Originally, I had the interment list for my family that included my gg > grandfather > who was a Civil War veteran of three years. About 6-8 years ago Jeff > emailed to > inform me that Green-Wood received funding to identify all Civil War > veterans and > erect free headstones for all vets. I completed a form through Jeff and > did not have > to travel to make these arrangements. The headstone was delivered directly > to Green-Wood. > > The headstones are plain white with black lettering. Some at Green-Wood > have engraved style lettering, other's have lettering that appears painted > on flat...no depth to them. > > Green-Wood's headstones are the same style as those at Ft. Sheridan > Cemetery > in Illinois. More recent deaths indicate the names and dates of soldier on > one side and > soldier's wife on the reverse side. My CW grandfather's headstone only > includes his name and dates. > > Jeff, do you have anything to add? > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: VLB via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> > > > Thank you so much for this, Pauline. I knew the government did this many > years > ago but had no idea they still did. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I > have two questions for you. First, the form mentions a special Civil War > headstone but shows no photo. Do you know where I could see a photo? > Second, how > do you take delivery of the headstone if you don't live nearby? I don't > live in > NY anymore. Did you call the cemetery to make arrangements? Were there > extra > installation > > charges?----------------------------------------------------------------------Thank > you again, Virginia > -------------------------- > Pauline Salmon:sweb.com> > > Dear Virginia: > > Obviously you know where he is > buried. Did you know that any Civil War or even earlier war veterans in > the > United States and were honorably discharged are entitled to free > headstones, > put up by the Government free of charge. > > > http://www.va.gov/vaforms/va/pdf/VA40-1330.pdf > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Virginia, Pauline, and interested others, I am copying Jeff Richman at Green-Wood Cemetery to include him in this chat. http://www.va.gov/vaforms/va/pdf/VA40-1330.pdf Originally, I had the interment list for my family that included my gg grandfather who was a Civil War veteran of three years. About 6-8 years ago Jeff emailed to inform me that Green-Wood received funding to identify all Civil War veterans and erect free headstones for all vets. I completed a form through Jeff and did not have to travel to make these arrangements. The headstone was delivered directly to Green-Wood. The headstones are plain white with black lettering. Some at Green-Wood have engraved style lettering, other's have lettering that appears painted on flat...no depth to them. Green-Wood's headstones are the same style as those at Ft. Sheridan Cemetery in Illinois. More recent deaths indicate the names and dates of soldier on one side and soldier's wife on the reverse side. My CW grandfather's headstone only includes his name and dates. Jeff, do you have anything to add? Barb -----Original Message----- From: VLB via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Thank you so much for this, Pauline. I knew the government did this many years ago but had no idea they still did. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I have two questions for you. First, the form mentions a special Civil War headstone but shows no photo. Do you know where I could see a photo? Second, how do you take delivery of the headstone if you don't live nearby? I don't live in NY anymore. Did you call the cemetery to make arrangements? Were there extra installation charges?----------------------------------------------------------------------Thank you again, Virginia -------------------------- Pauline Salmon:sweb.com> Dear Virginia: Obviously you know where he is buried. Did you know that any Civil War or even earlier war veterans in the United States and were honorably discharged are entitled to free headstones, put up by the Government free of charge. http://www.va.gov/vaforms/va/pdf/VA40-1330.pdf

Dear Virginia: Obviously you know where he is buried. Did you know that any Civil War or even earlier war veterans in the United States and were honorably discharged are entitled to free headstones, put up by the Government free of charge. http://www.va.gov/vaforms/va/pdf/VA40-1330.pdf I have used the service to provide a headstone for a Great Grandfather Gustavus Brillanceau who was in the Confederate Army and was at Appomattox when General Less signed the document of surrender. He is buried in a Catholic Cemetery in a section where Nuns were buried. He was the father of my Grandmother who lived in the Orphanage in Charleston, South Carolina. The sisters of the Orphanage provided the gravesite. The Veterans Administration provided the headstone and a kindly caretaker sent me a photograph of the headstone. Another one was provided to more recent veterans, one in the U. S. Navy, and the headstone is in Hampton, VA. You can obtain the headstone for any of the war veterans in any cemetery. Pauline Salmon San Diego

Dear Friends, I received this today since my gg-grandfather was a Civil War Veteran who received a free military headstone a couple of years ago. Perhaps these events are of interest to some of you? Barb ========================== Dear Descendants, Green-Wood Cemetery's commemoration of the 150th anniversary of the end of the Civil War is rapidly approaching. This past Saturday, approximately 200 volunteers were out on the grounds, placing an American flag at 5,000 designated graves--one for each of the individuals we have identified as having played a role--military or civilian--in the Civil War. Then, on Saturday morning, May 23, another 200 volunteers will place luminaries at each of these 5,000 graves. Our Grand Procession event will begin at 6:00 p.m. that evening--May 23, the Saturday evening of Memorial Day Weekend--with music, re-enactors, and Civil War games. You, as a descendant, will be admitted free to that event. The Grand Procession will step off at 8:30, with a re-enactors, a brass band, Green-Wood's Chorus, and musicians along the way. The 6th New York Independent Battery will fire salutes. An art presentation, "This is My House of Green Grass: The Raw Retrieval of the Civil War, " will be on display in the Catacombs. And our exhibition: "To Bid You All Good Bye: Civil War Stories," will be open to the public for the first time that day, from noon to midnight. After the procession concludes, you will be able to walk the grounds until midnight to see the luminaries for the 5,000--and to visit the graves of your ancestors. Then, on Monday, Memorial Day, we will meet at Green-Wood's Arches (main gates) at 11:00 a.m. and march out to the Civil War Soldiers' Lot, where you will have a chance to read the name of your ancestor who served, and to honor him or her. If you plan to join us for the Grand Procession on Saturday night (May 23) and/or the Memorial Day parade on Monday, May 25, please e-mail me. Thanks! -Jeff Richman Green-Wood Cemetery Historian grnwdtours@aol.com

The answer is, undoubtedly, there were two marriage ceremonies, the first civil, followed by a religious ceremony. Sometimes couples 'elope', and then have another, religious, ceremony for the sake of the family. Have had many of these myself. M

I have a few ancestors where I have located two NYC marriage licenses issued for them. In one instance, a marriage license was issued on 2/13/1896 and a second license was issued on 3/1/1896. The couple was married by an alderman in February and a rector in March. Wondering what the reason would be for two licenses and, presumably, two marriage ceremonies. Thanks in advance for your responses. Bill

Today is the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Cunard-owned, Liverpool-built Lusitania off the coast of Ireland caused by a German torpedo. In just 19 minutes some estimated 1,198 passengers and crew perished. Approximately 760 survived. A remembrance ceremony and Catholic Mass is being held in Cobh, Ireland today. LIST OF VICTIMS: http://www.rmslusitania.info/people/lusitania-victims/ LIST of SURVIVORS: http://www.rmslusitania.info/people/lusitania-survivors/ REMEMBRANCE TODAY: http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/Why-do-we-care-about-the-Titanic-more-than-the-Lusitania.html

New in the IGP Archives for the for April. If a county is missing it is because no one shared anything for that County. If you went to Ireland and took headstone photos please contact me off list at chrisnina@gmail.com ~Christina CAVAN, Genealogy Archives - Vital Records Assorted Deaths - 1869 http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/cavan/vitals.htm DOWN, Genealogy Archives - Genealogy Archives - Church Records Banbridge Presbyterian Marriages (Without Proclamation) 1784-1794 Banbridge Presbyterian Marriages 1756-1794 http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/down/church.htm DUBLIN, Genealogy Archives - Vital Records Assorted Deaths for North Dublin - 1869 http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/deaths.htm FERMANAGH, Genealogy Archives - Church Records Newtownbutler Methodist Births, 1873-1942 Newtownbutler Methodist Marriages, 1869-1935 Upper Erne Methodist Circuit Marriages, 1887-1935 http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/church.htm KILKENNY, Genealogy Archives - Headstones Kilmacow Cemetery (partial) Slieverue Cemetery (part) St. James Cem. Headstones, Glenmore (part) http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/kilkenny/photos/tombstones/markers.htm LEITRIM, Genealogy Archives - Headstones Mullies (R.C.) Cem. Headstones (part) http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/leitrim/photos/tombstones/markers.htm LONGFORD, Genealogy Archives - Church Records Deaths in Parishes of Templemichael & Ballymacormick *1815* (Updated) Deaths in Parishes of Templemichael & Ballymacormick 1816-June 1817 http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/longford/burials.htm SLIGO, Keelogues Cem., Ballintrillick (part) http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/sligo/photos/tombstones/markers.htm TIPPERARY, Genealogy Archives - Newspapers Vindicator 18th Sept. 1847 (Tenant Farmers Meeting) http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/news.htm WATERFORD, Genealogy Archives - Census Substitutes 1826 Freeholders Tramore Area A list of Tramore leases in the County of Waterford -1831 Freeholders who voted for Marshal Sir William Beresford -1812 Lord Doneraile’s Rentals in Tramore 1848-49 Persons under licence at present in Tramore Town 1831 Return of Tenants on Hill Quarter of Tramore 1830’s St. Mary, Ballygunner Tenants Polled for & against Lord G A Beresford on Lord Doneraile's Estate -1830 http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/waterford/censubs.htm WEXFORD, Genealogy Archives - Memorial Cards NAGLE - O'TOOLE (Additional) http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wexford/memorials.htm WICKLOW, Genealogy Archives - Headstones Headstones from Kilbride Old Cemetery http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/photos/tombstones/markers.htm Chris http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ https://twitter.com/IrishGenProject

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Hi Kathy, Your questions to the list were very general, but you sound like you could use more help from readers. Instead of writing paragraphs of information, why don't you show us, for example, the facts from the 1892 census. Year>County>ED> full names, ages, etc Then, others may find something for you. Take care, Barb -----Original Message----- From: ktzndgs via nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com It's actuallybeen almost 7 weeks since I sent the request for the death certificates and itwill be 4 weeks on Wednesday since they cashed my check on April 1. I think Isaid 2 weeks ago previously but that just prove I've been trying to put it asidein my mind. I've been researching this family on and off for 15 years so pleaseunderstand my impatience.

In looking for these folks I've been using familysearch and also ancestry for any records I can possibly find using exact names as well as variations. I also browse for the name when possible in case I can't cover a variation with wildcards (due to too many hits). I'd like to get a bit further before I spend the cash on requesting searches in NY. I have not had great success with asking for searches. I know dates of birth can be incorrect and in some cases the people simply didn't know their exact date of birth. I've also seen instances where an official was given a written date of birth on a piece of paper but managed to transcribe it incorrectly onto a document. My family might not have knowingly given incorrect information but I've found a frustrating number of fluctuating facts about them. That means I have to follow any and all leads, many of which take me in the wrong direction. All of the info I have about these four family members comes from searching ancestry and fa! mily search, from verifiable info from Holy Cross, from William and Daniel's baptism records from Ireland and from the only census hit I've found -- the 1892 census where William is listed with his sister who is known to me. IF these are the people I think they are the adults were all born in Ireland. Only Mary was born in the US but she doesn't show up in a birth record. Unfortunately, given the time period of immigration the info on ship records is really pretty thin making it harder to determine if I've found the correct person. I find I often have to rely on knowing the people surrounding the person I'm researching so I can then search for them in likely groups. Since Mary, Daniel and Hannah aren't in a census I can't connect them to anyone but William and only because they share his grave. I had been hoping to find other databases that I should search but have missed. Another family member and I have nearly worn out those two databases searching and gathering information. Mary might have been in St. Joseph's but I won't know for sure until I see an address on her death certificate. It's actually been almost 7 weeks since I sent the request for the death certificates and it will be 4 weeks on Wednesday since they cashed my check on April 1. I think I said 2 weeks ago previously but that just prove I've been trying to put it aside in my mind. I've been researching this family on and off for 15 years so please understand my impatience. It wasn't until I was extremely lucky enough to meet someone on another email list who went above and beyond the call and help to connect me with my family in Ireland that I made any real progress. I even needed his help to get documents from the church. My envelopes to the church were apparently disappearing on their way. I don't understand why I have several men on the same side of my family who claim to be citizens in a census but for whom I can't find paperwork. From what I've been told there was a time when citizenship wasn't pursued as it is now (due to people being too busy working) and many people never did submit paperwork so maybe they just considered themselves to be citizens and left it at that? I took another look at the census info where one family member seemed to have the wrong name. Looking at the dates I'd guess it was because the woman named Lucy was there to help care for the family while the mother was dealing with the loss of a child 2 months prior. I didn't know a census taker would collect information about a family from a neighbor! That's quite a surprise! Hope I haven't bored anyone but I've worked long and hard on my research and didn't want anyone to think I'd given up after a few hours. I don't live in New York so going to the actual records isn't all that easy. The next best thing I can do is my local FHC which I will do as soon as I can. Kathy

Charles Van Covern was my great grandfather. He died on his 70th birthday on Jan 29,1917. I have a copy of his obituary, but I do not know what newspaper it came from because it is cropped very closely. In the obituary it mentions that he was a member of the Arion Society. I know this is a German singing society, but I would love to connect him to it.  I thank you in advance for your help. Ghyll ( JILL ) 

Hi Kathy, This doesn't sound like a brick wall as you haven't turned over every possible stone yet. You requested the certificates around a holiday, so it may take longer, but you should have them soon. They should answer a few questions. On Familysearch I've seen wrong names of fathers before. In the case I was searching, the father noted was the father's brother. I think the two brothers belonged to the same Catholic parish, which is where the Baptisms were originally recorded. You should cross reference what you find on FS with Ancestry.com. You might just figure that every document is a clue, not sealed in stone. As you research deeper on each ancestor the predominant facts will surface. Every researcher has difficulties with birthdates. It isn't that your family members lied. For example, with the census, even a neighbor might have provided the information to a census taker. If a child was small for his age, "someone" may have guessed that the child was younger. What county was St. Joseph's Home located in? Every record in NYC depends upon the county first. People ask questions on the Brooklyn list about all counties. If you go into the archives for Rootsweb to the "Orphanges" list you will find more answers to your questions. Some "homes" no longer exist but have nuns residing there that can access records. Where did you send for the Death Certificates? That's probably the same place you'd request Births and Marriages. Good luck with your research. Barb -----Original Message----- From: ktzndgs via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> To: nybrooklyn <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 25, 2015 6:47 pm Subject: [BKLYN] my brick wall Awhile back I wrote about a flat plaque in the ground at Holy Cross Cemetery that simply said "Wm. McDermott, "66-W T James". It turned out it actually said 66-W ST James, a grave location. (I still have no idea why it's located in the St. Mary's section.) In that grave are buried William b. 1857, Daniel b. 1859, Hannah b. 1861, and 16 y/o Mary McDermott b. 1888. Mary was born in 1888 and died in 1904. I've requested death certificates for all of the people in that grave. Does anyone know how long after the check is cashed I might get the records from NY? The check was cashed about two weeks ago but so far I haven't gotten any papers. We believed Mary might have been the daughter of Daniel and Hannah BUT we've found info on familysearch that makes us question everything. familysearch.org has a death record for Mary McDermott born 1888, father John McDermott, mother Hannah McLoughlin. Parent ages are not given. Mary died on the right day and is buried in Holy Cross. That confused everything because the father's name wasn't right. Today we found another death record. This one is for "McDermott", male child of Daniel McDermott and Hannah McLoughlin, born Dec 1883. But Daniel is listed as 34 y/o and so born in 1849 instead of 1859 and Hannah is shown as born in 1853 instead of 1861. One of the problems I've had with my family has been birthdates. They changed their ages all of the time! I've even found one of them in a census using a strange name! Her name was Bridget but there she was with her husband and her children as Lucy! We can't find any of these folks anywhere else. Only William McDermott of the correct age is found in the NYS 1892 census with his sister and her husband (both verified family members) in Brooklyn. The above William didn't die until 1898. Mary 1888-1904 should be *somewhere* but I can't find her with a family member. The only Mary we found is in St. Josephs Home for Orphans in the NYS 1892 census. Is it possible to find more information about the children in St. Joseph's? When did they enter the orphanage? Parent's names? Does anyone have any advice pertaining to the various people above? I can't find Mary in any birth records. Is there a way to find out about the male McDermott born in 1883? Where would he have been buried? Is there another way to look for these folks? The sister William is with at the time of the 1892 census probably came to this country in about 1880 from Moville, Ireland. I recall someone saying that you have to ask for more than just a death certificate. Is there more available for that time period? How do I ask for other paperwork? Any help or ideas greatly appreciated! Kathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Awhile back I wrote about a flat plaque in the ground at Holy Cross Cemetery that simply said "Wm. McDermott, "66-W T James". It turned out it actually said 66-W ST James, a grave location. (I still have no idea why it's located in the St. Mary's section.) In that grave are buried William b. 1857, Daniel b. 1859, Hannah b. 1861, and 16 y/o Mary McDermott b. 1888. Mary was born in 1888 and died in 1904. I've requested death certificates for all of the people in that grave. Does anyone know how long after the check is cashed I might get the records from NY? The check was cashed about two weeks ago but so far I haven't gotten any papers. We believed Mary might have been the daughter of Daniel and Hannah BUT we've found info on familysearch that makes us question everything. familysearch.org has a death record for Mary McDermott born 1888, father John McDermott, mother Hannah McLoughlin. Parent ages are not given. Mary died on the right day and is buried in Holy Cross. That confused everything because the father's name wasn't right. Today we found another death record. This one is for "McDermott", male child of Daniel McDermott and Hannah McLoughlin, born Dec 1883. But Daniel is listed as 34 y/o and so born in 1849 instead of 1859 and Hannah is shown as born in 1853 instead of 1861. One of the problems I've had with my family has been birthdates. They changed their ages all of the time! I've even found one of them in a census using a strange name! Her name was Bridget but there she was with her husband and her children as Lucy! We can't find any of these folks anywhere else. Only William McDermott of the correct age is found in the NYS 1892 census with his sister and her husband (both verified family members) in Brooklyn. The above William didn't die until 1898. Mary 1888-1904 should be *somewhere* but I can't find her with a family member. The only Mary we found is in St. Josephs Home for Orphans in the NYS 1892 census. Is it possible to find more information about the children in St. Joseph's? When did they enter the orphanage? Parent's names? Does anyone have any advice pertaining to the various people above? I can't find Mary in any birth records. Is there a way to find out about the male McDermott born in 1883? Where would he have been buried? Is there another way to look for these folks? The sister William is with at the time of the 1892 census probably came to this country in about 1880 from Moville, Ireland. I recall someone saying that you have to ask for more than just a death certificate. Is there more available for that time period? How do I ask for other paperwork? Any help or ideas greatly appreciated! Kathy

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Hello List & MizS, An odd coincidence -- just yesterday I was culling my books and came across this one: "Brooklyn: People and Places, Past and Present" by Grace Glueck and Paul Gardner (1991, Hardcover). At Christmas 1991, I had given the book to my Brooklyn-reared father, son of Kingstown, Co. Dublin-born Julia Plunkett. What makes it such a treasure is that in later years Papa made many notations for places that held memories from his childhood, 1915 to 1930s. And on the front page he had written: "Thank you, PJ, I enjoy this more than anything you could have given me!" It's a wonderful book, large and with many pictures of people and places. I just checked -- Half.com has copies available, as does Amazon. PJ > > Many of us have collected books related to genealogical research. >

Many of us have collected books related to genealogical research. Besides e-bay, I've purchased many through their affiliate called Half.com. Opening an account with one gives you access with the other. These are just a few of the books they have for sale. If you need help navigating it place contact me offlist. Barb The Long Island Rail Road in Early Photographs by Ron Ziel (oversized paperback) Old Brooklyn Heights : New York's First Suburb by Clay Lancaster and Edmund V. Gillon (Paperback) Downtown : My Manhattan by Pete Hamill (Hardcover) Our Family Tree by Julie Hausner (Hardcover) Brooklyn and How It Got that Way by David W. McCullough (Hardcover)David W. McCullough When Brooklyn Was the World, 1920-1957 by Elliot Willensky Hardcover