Hi Tony, I recall that you posted something about these men before. I'm interested in the surname FITZGERALD and recently obtained an Obit by mail for Matthew FITZGERALD who died in Queens County in 1972. Do you have or need DCs for them? I'm planning a trip into the archives. Holy Cross Cemetery is in Brooklyn NYC and will release interment lists with prices based upon the number interred in each grave. However, due to these circumstances, these men may be buried with their families OR with a whole order of priests. A phone call to the cemetery will confirm each burial and should clarify the specifics about each grave. Please contact me offlist if you need further assistance. Barb -----Original Message----- From: tonymccarthy via tonymccarthy@eircom.net I have obituaries for the following Irish priests- Monsignor Maurice M. Fitzgerald (d. 1945) Monsignor Michael A. Fitzgerald (d. 1936) Rev. Patrick M. Fitzgerald (d. 1912) all brothers, and, the following nephews- Rev. Michael F. Fitzgerald (d. 1939), Rev. Francis. A. Fitzgerald, all buried in the family plot in Holy Cross Cemetery, Brooklyn Another brother Fr. Joseph V. Fitzgerald is buried in Los Angeles Are there any records from Holy Cross cemetery? Tony Mc Carthy

PJ, Thank you so much for this one. :) It is greatly appreciated. Shannah TWISS overthepond648@gmail.com Canada On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:00 AM, <nybrooklyn-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: need help with death certificates (PJ Salis) > 2. Hannah McLoughlin (PJ Salis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:05:35 -0500 > From: PJ Salis <pjstxus@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BKLYN] need help with death certificates > Cc: List Brooklyn <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAN7AnJx3Ea6uBHRNTmpkO2fqqeGKd7hOkD664D8vkmKCQgj66A@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Kathy, > > I looked at 1874 passenger arrivals on Ancestry, found no Hannah McLoughlin > (non-exact) but several Anns. See this link -- Ann was a nickname or > synonym for Hannah. > > < > > http://content.bandzoogle.com/users/dennisahogan/files/GivenNameAlternatives.pdf > > > > PJ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:14:45 -0500 > From: PJ Salis <pjstxus@gmail.com> > Subject: [BKLYN] Hannah McLoughlin > To: List Brooklyn <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAN7AnJzcrvBj1K+kfRW4e91H++gATvK4JG2QR5Em3rUvEZNx_g@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Kathy, > > Well .... I forgot to mention that you might find a clue to her US contacts > on a passenger list, which usually shows the name and address of the person > the passenger will join in the US. "Whether going to join a relative, and > if so, what relative, their name and address." > > PJ > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYBROOKLYN list administrator, send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NYBROOKLYN mailing list, send an email to > NYBROOKLYN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYBROOKLYN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 90 > ****************************************** >

Kathy, Well .... I forgot to mention that you might find a clue to her US contacts on a passenger list, which usually shows the name and address of the person the passenger will join in the US. "Whether going to join a relative, and if so, what relative, their name and address." PJ

Kathy, I looked at 1874 passenger arrivals on Ancestry, found no Hannah McLoughlin (non-exact) but several Anns. See this link -- Ann was a nickname or synonym for Hannah. < http://content.bandzoogle.com/users/dennisahogan/files/GivenNameAlternatives.pdf > PJ

I finally received some death certificates from the archives that were a long time coming and now find we need help reading two of them. I can’t understand the name of the streets they each lived on, can’t read the secondary cause of death for one (two died a month apart of phthisis (TB) but one had a secondary cause of ?asthamia??) and don’t understand an area of one that’s written over. If anyone is good at handwriting I’d love to have you take a look! This all brings up questions. Hannah McLoughlin was born est. 1861 in Ireland, apparently came to the US in 1874 (age approx. 13 at that time), married John McDermott and had at least one child named Mary McDermott born in the summer of 1887. When Hannah died at age 27 as a widow in August of 1888 Mary went to live at St. Joseph’s asylum. I don’t know when John died and have not found any other info about either Hannah or John. I have not found Mary in the birth index for NY but her death certificate says she was born in NY. I can’t guarantee that they arrived in NY or that Hannah and John were married in NY. The family does have a connection to Philadelphia. Would anyone have any suggestions? Kathy

Hi Madeline, I used fultonhistory.com and found this entry in the New York NY Herald: New York NY Herald, Wednesday, May 21, 1913 SURROGATE’ COURT, CHAMBERS, …..Wills for probate……..Barbara Kneib. I then checked family.org for "New York Probate Records 1629-1913, scrolled down to Wills Index 1910-1923, Vol A-Z and found: Kneib Barbara, DATE WILL PROBATED:May 21, 1913; Volume 978, Page 182. Scrolling down again on "New York Probate Records 1629-1913, I found more volumes with some probated wills in them but I could not find it. I would suggest that maybe some kind person, while down at 31 Chambers Street, Surrogate Court, in Manhattan could copy it for you, or you could send for it. Both fultonhistory.com and familysearch.org are free. I looked under Kneib, Knieb, Kneibe and Kniebe. There was nothing for Herman. There were no obituaries in The New York Times. Good luck, Mary Ann

Another way to find a free Obit/Death Notice online is to execute a Google search. This may not lead you to a full Obituary, but it may link you to the specific newspaper article, especially in the New York Times. This method may also lead you to scanned out-of-print books that include your ancestor's name, such as old directories, voter registrations, and court transcripts. In the case of Madeline's ancestor, I'd enter it into Google like this, no quotation marks> Herman Kneib in NY, NY RESULTS> 1) 1862 Trow's Directory> https://books.google.com/books?id=kJEtAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA471&lpg=PA471&dq=Herman+Kneib+in+NY,+NY&source=bl&ots=QSLYCyUnSR&sig=zFlINBHeovRleEaZKsJQaFoQb5g&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SQiQVfgtypuDBMT-ovAG&ved=0CE0Q6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=Herman%20Kneib%20in%20NY%2C%20NY&f=false 2) General Slocum Disaster ...lists a KNEIB Barb -----Original Message----- From: madbovery@aol.com via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> If any kind soul on the list does have subscription access,either personally or thru their library, and would be nice enough to see ifthey could find a death notice and/or obituary in the metro NYC area for any KNEIB, Herman died 18 November, 1892/Manhattan KNEIB, Barara wife died 02 May, 1913/Manhattan I would be most appreciative. Thankyou, Madeline

One place to begin searching for free Obit/Death Notices is to go to Message Boards by surname. This is a much overlooked source. http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?m=2&p=surnames.kneib&dc=50 Barb -----Original Message----- From: madbovery@aol.com via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> To: nybrooklyn <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2015 8:16 am Subject: [BKLYN] Kneib Obituary help Request ... more Re. my request for obituary help earlier this month, I want to thank everyone who responded on or off the list. I am still in the midst of an ongoing serious medical crisis with my husband, so I have not had the opportunity to respond to you before. Unfortunately, none of the links (Pro-Quest & NYTimes Archives) sent me did not open for me because I do not subscribe to either and both required login.. If any kind soul on the list does have subscription access, either personally or thru their library, and would be nice enough to see if they could find a death notice and/or obituary in the metro NYC area for any KNEIB, particularly : KNEIB, Herman,+ 18 November, 1892/Manhattan and wife, KNEIB, Barara, + 02 May, 1913/Manhattan I would be most appreciative. Thank you, Madeline ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was able to check the NY Times for both dates I used the search for any newspaper for the year in general (newspapers.com) Other KEIB's show up for other years . I'll check on them later-any particular name? I know the frustration. I'm still unable to find anything for Catherine (your never going to find my maiden name not matter what} DONOHUE/DONOHUE On Jun 28, 2015, at 5:16 AM, madbovery@aol.com via wrote: > Re. my request for obituary help earlier this month, I want to thank everyone who responded on or off the list. I am still in the midst of an ongoing serious medical crisis with my husband, so I have not had the opportunity to respond to you before. > > Unfortunately, none of the links (Pro-Quest & NYTimes Archives) sent me did not open for me because I do not subscribe to either and both required login.. > > If any kind soul on the list does have subscription access, either personally or thru their library, and would be nice enough to see if they could find a death notice and/or obituary in the metro NYC area for any KNEIB, particularly : KNEIB, Herman,+ 18 November, 1892/Manhattan and wife, > KNEIB, Barara, + 02 May, 1913/Manhattan > > I would be most appreciative. Thank you, Madeline > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Re. my request for obituary help earlier this month, I want to thank everyone who responded on or off the list. I am still in the midst of an ongoing serious medical crisis with my husband, so I have not had the opportunity to respond to you before. Unfortunately, none of the links (Pro-Quest & NYTimes Archives) sent me did not open for me because I do not subscribe to either and both required login.. If any kind soul on the list does have subscription access, either personally or thru their library, and would be nice enough to see if they could find a death notice and/or obituary in the metro NYC area for any KNEIB, particularly : KNEIB, Herman,+ 18 November, 1892/Manhattan and wife, KNEIB, Barara, + 02 May, 1913/Manhattan I would be most appreciative. Thank you, Madeline

Dear Friends, I still don't have full clarity about the difference between these two death-related positions. Obviously a Medical Examiner is a doctor and a Coroner is an elected position (which may infer that it may have a political interest in the outcome of the inquest). An inquest is an inquiry as to the cause of death, in reaction to questionable deaths. These deaths are not due to natural illnesses/diseases or age. You are invited to "crowd source"* this topic further. * "Crowd sourcing"= obtaining ideas from contributions from a large group of people A) NOTES Definitions Medical examiner: An appointed medically qualified officer whose duty is to investigate deaths and bodily injuries that occur under unusual or suspicious circumstances, to perform post-mortems, and sometimes to initiate inquests. [MEDICAL OFFICIAL aka doctor] Coroner: [related to Anglo-French corouner, from coroune, meaning crown]: An officer of a county, district, state, or municipality; originally, in medieval England, an official who upheld the monarch's rights of private property. From the 16th and 17th centuries on, the chief duty of the coroner was to HOLD INQUESTS on the bodies of those believed to have died by violence or accident, or who suffered grievous bodily harm. In modern times, in the United States, the coroner is an elected official. https://www.nlm.nih.gov/visibleproofs/galleries/cases/examiner.html B) Other potential records> http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/archives/collections_coroner.shtml Barb

​I've retired from professional genealogy and am downsizing. I have several old Brooklyn and the Bronx books that I'll need to sell. If anyone is interested please contact me off list. ​ Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori

When we search historical newspapers, we've all been frustrated by the dearth of hits resulting from searching our common Irish names. One way around this, is to search by a street address. The best tip I can give you is to format the street address the same way that other addresses appear in that specific newspaper. Then enter "exact search." The words street, avenue, etc were not capitalized,in historical newspapers as proper proper nouns are today. So, a search would look something like this > "395 East 42nd street" Some newspapers did not spell out words like East and West, but used abbreviations WITH a period, OR without a period, like this> "395 E. 42nd street" and "395 E 42nd street" Further, some older newspapers dropped the "n" in the "-nd" following "42nd" so this same address may appear as> "395 E. 42d street" My suggestion is to try each of these address styles when searching historical newspapers, you are bound to get less hits than when tracking John Burke. Guaranteed! Barb

Dear Friends, A while back some woman on this list told me about her Irish ancestor who died after a stabbing near the East River's active docks. She could not find verification in historical newspapers about the event. Yesterday another list member received a DC for his 25yo Irish ancestor who was was deliberately shot and killed by a pistol shot to his head, in a "saloon" owned by McKENNA in the meat packing district. This list member found many details about the execution style killing of his ancestor. This is all to say that these sorts of crimes should be verifiable in several ways: historical newspapers, Coroner's Reports and Autopsies. [Don't overlook the Historical New York Times; it does include everyday events of everyday people.] Would anyone like to share what records they tracked after discovering a crime where their Irish ancestor was a victim? Barb

2nd part of 8 part Monday night series TONIGHT "The Making of The Mob: New York-- Equal Opportunity Gangster" 10pm EST AMC= 43 metro NYC

Dear Friends, Tonight begins the new 8 part series "Making of The Mob: New York" narrated by Emmy Award-winning actor Ray Liotta. 10pm eastern AMC = 43 in metro NYC At 7pm, Goodfellas will be aired and films will precede "The Mob" each Monday, such as American Gangster, Donnie Brasco, Scarface, Casino and Carlito’s Way. Barb

Hi Norma, There is a slight possibility that NYC Muni Archives has them as they have records that date back to the late 1700s. It is also possible that deaths of this era are recorded in books. You might contact NYG&BS. Barb -----Original Message----- From: Norma Johnson via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> To: nybrooklyn <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2015 12:54 pm Subject: [BKLYN] Death records Does anyone know if there death records for January 1822 for New York City? If they were filmed for Family History Library? Not having any luck location any information for that year. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Earliest death records I can find on film 1315321 Brooklyn death registers, 1847-1853, 1857-1861; births 1869 1315322 Item 1, Item 2: Brooklyn death registers, 1847-1853, 1857-1861; births 1869 also some of this birth info is hard to read. I have long time access to both. I can't do look up at this time, but soon working on something for all. I do need something in an obit for for Catherine Donhoue, not in Brooklyn Eagle - checked that many many times- found her husband and adult child but not her. I need Catherine's MAIDEN name. Catherine (?????) DONOHUE/DONAHUE/DONOHUE Wife of Thomas, Died 12 Aug 1883 Cert # 08940 age 65 dob about 1818 Buried in Holy Cross So far Tried to find, with the help of an awesome person at one of the churches in Bklyn, the birth of son James dob about 1842, or daughter Anne about 1844 nothing Have marriage records for both from St Patricks church no parents listed (that would be too easy) I looked in the marriage registry films for Anne's marriage to James Dalton 30 May 1871 nothing. By 1871 names of parents were usually included. I even the got the FHL film containing the marriage certs for that time period - I'm running out of ideas Anything? Anyone? Thanks Nancy Chatham For a limited time, I have the FHL 1543858 Cert. no. 850-1800 May-Oct 1871 If you have a cert number I can get the info off the cert or a jpeg photo it. > Hi Norma, > > There is a slight possibility that NYC Muni Archives has them > as they have records that date back to the late 1700s. > > It is also possible that deaths of this era are recorded in books. > > You might contact NYG&BS. > > Barb > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norma Johnson via <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> > To: nybrooklyn <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2015 12:54 pm > Subject: [BKLYN] Death records > > > Does anyone know if there death records for January 1822 for New York > City? > > If they were filmed for Family History Library? Not having any > luck > > location any information for that year. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send > an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi guys - I am looking for obituaries, and specifically burial places for the following couple. KNEIB, Herman H., died Manhattan 18 November, 1892 KNEIB, Barbara, died Manhattan 30 April, 1913. Don't need certificate #s, etc., already have from GGG/IGG, but looking for obituary to see if cemetery listed. Haven't used it for years, but I used to be able to get free access to old articles from NYT Archives. Now all I get is some 'transcripts' and request to subscribe. Wha hoppened? Any help out there?

Does anyone know if there death records for January 1822 for New York City? If they were filmed for Family History Library? Not having any luck location any information for that year.