Eleanor in Bellingham WA, The Town of Faltbush did not become part of the City of Brooklyn until 1894, and the City of Brooklyn did not become part of New York City until 1898. Now, for the geographic hisotry of Kings County/Brooklyn, or "In the beginning, there was Breuckelen ... " Despite common wisdom, Nieuw Amsterdam was not the first municipality in what is now New York State. In fact, Nieuw Amsterdam was not even the second. In 1646, the Village of Breuckelen was authorized by the Dutch West India Company and became the first municipality in what is now New York State. In 1652, the Village of Fort Orange, predecessor to the City of Albany, received similar municipal privileges. It was only in 1653 that the City of Nieuw Amsterdam was granted its charter. "At first the Dutch rulers of New Netherland did not draw a sharp line between their overall colonial or provincial government and that of their major settlement, which was called Nieuw Amsterdam. It was not until 1646 that the Dutch West India Company granted what appears to have been certain municipal privileges to the "Village of Breuckelen"--lineal ancestor of the present-day Brooklyn--located across the East River from Nieuw Amsterdam. Fort Orange, which later became the City of Albany, obtained similar municipal privileges in 1652. When in 1653 the "Merchants and Elders of the Community of Nieuw Amsterdam" won the right to establish what was called "a city government", the municipality which became New York City was born." ..................Local Government Handbook, page 3, 4th Ed., 1987 ......................State of New York Department of State In 1683, almost 20 years after the English kicked out the Dutch (1664), the General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental structure in all of the province of New York into 12 counties (Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, Dutchess, Kings, New York, Orange, Queens, Richmond, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester), each of which was sub-divided into towns. Brooklyn was one of the original six towns of Kings County, an original county when the county/town system was established in 1683. (Other local area original counties were New York, Richmond, Queens, Westchester and Suffolk. The Bronx was part of Westchester County until 1873, when the western Bronx was annexed by New York City/County, and 1895, when the eastern Bronx was annexed as well. The eastern three-quarters of Queens County seceded and became Nassau County in 1899, making Nassau the youngest county in New York State, although the Bronx "paper" county was established in 1914 when the Bronx "seceded" from New York County.) The next 2 pages include some additional information about important dates for all the cities, towns and villages that were part of the history of what we now refer to as "Brooklyn". I hope that this information is helpful to you. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY P.S. The Town of Brooklyn did not have that large a population in 1790, the year of the first federal census. The Town of Oyster Bay, then in Queens County, had a larger population than did Brooklyn that year. Ends page 1 Begins page 2 History of Breuckelen, Kings County & Brooklyn Village of Breuckelen (1646) preceded City of Nieuw Amsterdam (1653) by some 7 years. Brooklyn/Kings County has 2 names because it took some 200 years for Brooklyn to annex the other parts of Kings County. When the City of Brooklyn annexed the City of Williamsburgh and the Town of Bushwick, this area was then known as the eastern district of the City of Brooklyn and Williamsburgh lost its final "h". The streets in Brooklyn do not line up because each of the 2 cities and 6 towns in Kings County were independent municipalities and purposely decided to create street grids with different naming systems that did not line up with the adjoining city or town. The Town of Gravesend was the only town where the streets run long north-to-south, all other cities and towns ran their streets long west-to-east. Gravesend was the only English town, all the others were Dutch. South Brooklyn is north of southern Brooklyn because until 1894 the Red Hook area (South Brooklyn) was the southernmost part of the City of Brooklyn. Bay Ridge was originally called "Yellow Hook" until a yellow fever epidemic struck and the name was changed. Suggested reading: "The Brooklyn Almanac" by Margaret Latimer is a history of Kings County/City of Brooklyn/Borough of Brooklyn. Some problems with geography, but a good resource. Ms. Latimer also wrote "Two Cities" that describes month-by-month life in New York City (Manhattan and the western Bronx) and in the City of Brooklyn (the northern-third of Kings County) in 1883, the year the Brooklyn bridge was built. Ends page 2 Begins page 3 Key Dates in the History of Kings County (Brooklyn) 1646 Village of Breuckelen granted charter by the Dutch West India Company. 1683 Kings County and 6 towns created: Brooklyn, Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend and New Utrecht. 1816 Village of Brooklyn incorporated within Town of Brooklyn. 1827 Village of Williamsburgh incorporated within Town of Bushwick. 1834 Town of Brooklyn (including Village of Brooklyn) becomes City of Brooklyn. Kings County now includes 1 city (Brooklyn) and 5 towns (Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend and New Utrecht). 1840 Town of Williamsburgh (includes the Village of Williamsburgh) secedes from Town of Bushwick. Kings County now includes 1 city (Brooklyn) and 6 towns (Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend, New Utrecht and Williamsburgh). 1851 Town of Williamsburgh becomes City of Williamsburgh. Kings County now includes 2 cities (Brooklyn and Williamsburgh) and 5 towns (Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend and New Utrecht). 1852 Town of New Lots secedes from Town of Flatbush. Kings County consists of 2 cities (Brooklyn and Williamsburgh) and 6 towns (Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend, New Lots and New Utrecht). 1854 City of Williamsburgh and Town of Bushwick consolidated into City of Brooklyn. Kings County now 1 city (Brooklyn) and 5 towns (Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend, New Lots and New Utrecht). 1886 Town of New Lots annexed into City of Brooklyn. Kings County now 1 city (Brooklyn) and 4 towns (Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend and New Utrecht). 1894 Towns of Flatbush, Gravesend and New Utrecht annexed into City of Brooklyn. Kings County now 1 city (Brooklyn) and 1 town (Flatlands). 1896 Town of Flatlands annexed into City of Brooklyn. Kings County and City of Brooklyn become coterminous. 1898 City of Brooklyn annexed into New York City, and becomes the Borough of Brooklyn (remains coterminous with the New York State County of Kings). Ends page 3

With or without assistance, you are stil the best, Mike. Barb N of NYC MMattes200@aol.com writes: > Cathy, > > 178 Sands should be in ED 45 for 1900, ED 47 for 1910, ED 55 for 1920, and > ED 942/943 for 1930. > Hope this helps, > > Mike in TX ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Hello Listers, In the NYC Marriage Register film, I found an 1848 marriage for a Mary Ann Brundage from Brooklyn, to a John Jackson Kent that shows the place of marriage as 60 Lewis, and the minister as E. (middle initial appears to be F. or J.) Hatfield. Does anyone know which church this minister was affiliated with? I can't find him on the Worship page of the Brooklyn Info Pages. Any ideas as to where else I could try to identify him, thus the church? Thank you! Judy Herbert

Cathy, 178 Sands should be in ED 45 for 1900, ED 47 for 1910, ED 55 for 1920, and ED 942/943 for 1930. Hope this helps, Mike in TX ******************************************************************** In a message dated 6/22/2008 1:47:05 AM Central Daylight Time, cacshantih@sbcglobal.net writes: Hello everyone, Can anyone help me find the section of Brooklyn that 178 Sands St. was called? Also, could anyone direct me to the correct ED in 1900, 1910, 1920, & 1930 census for this address? Many thanks in advance for help! Cathy **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Never let it be said that I forget promises! Okay, Mike and Tom - get ready - here it comes....... {{{{{{{{{{CCCCCYBER HUGGGGG}}}}}}}}}}} Oops, sorry for the broken ribs.... ;D Cathy MMattes200@aol.com wrote: I haven't forgotten about the offer of a cyber-hug either. Mike -- Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO (St. Louis) http://spittingnickels.blogspot.com/ Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. - Robert A. Heinlein

Hello from the Great Northwest again! I have a mystery to be solved and need your wisdom and experience. I have both of my father's sibling's birth certificates. One born 1883 and the other 1889. However, my father was born April 29Th, 1886 when the change occurred in N.Y / and the Boroughs etc. that Walter just described in his email. I have been unable to find his birth certificate due to this . I had a search done for Brooklyn, N.Y and he was not found by The Municipal Archives. Should I be searching the Town Of Flatbush as that was where his sister before him was born? Her 1889 birth is registered as Town of Flatbush, King's County, N.Y. The family lived on Coney Island Avenue at that time Please give me some insight on how and where to search for his birth certificate that won't cost me a fortune. I will be most appreciative of any help. Eleanor in Bellingham WA .

Many thanks to Tom and Mike for helping me with the search for Ruby. I've still got some searching to do, but it will be far easier with the correct ED! Don't forget, gentlemen, about my offer for lookups in St. Louis! Don't feel guilty for asking - it gives me a legitimate excuse to go to the library rather than clean house! Cathy -- Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO (St. Louis) http://spittingnickels.blogspot.com/ Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. - Robert A. Heinlein

Hi Listers, Over the last few months I transcribed the Smith Brooklyn deaths for 1870 and 1872, from FHL films. Pat Connors now has the transcriptions posted online. You can find the transcriptions, along with the film notes at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Smith/SmithBrooklynDeathIndex1870.htm and http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Smith/SmithBrooklynDeathIndex1872.htm I hope you find some new information for your Smith lines in these transcriptions! Best Wishes, Judy Herbert

our society was cleaning house and threw out the family group sheet containing these names. Butler Case of Holland had Mesbach Case who m. Elizabeth Mott. they had Absolom Case b16 june 1757 who die 21 Jan 1827. included is Danie Case b 14 may 1781 who was son of Elizabeth Wood Coe W.Case is listed as twin b 21 aug 1797 at Goshen, NY m 21 march 1821 to Mary Wood. Deborah Wood is listed as mom of Coe W. Case. I am researching the Mott,Denton, Hewlett and Smith families of LI and NY. would love to see the connections.

Cathy, find the ED by using "Obtaining EDs for the 1900 to 1940 Census in One Step (Large Cities)" at http://www.stevemorse.org/census/index.html." Joy Rich Brooklyn, NY --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Cathy Champion <cacshantih@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Cathy Champion <cacshantih@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [BKLYN] 178 Sands St. in Brooklyn To: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 2:46 AM Hello everyone, Can anyone help me find the section of Brooklyn that 178 Sands St. was called? Also, could anyone direct me to the correct ED in 1900, 1910, 1920, & 1930 census for this address? Many thanks in advance for help! Cathy -- Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO (St. Louis) http://spittingnickels.blogspot.com/ Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. - Robert A. Heinlein ___________________________________ The Bklyn Info Pages Website: www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/ List Administrator: NancyL916@aol.com Post to List: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com ___________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all: I am new to the Brooklyn list and would welcome any suggestions on accessing probate records. Using the Family History Library (Salt Lake City) film "Master Card File Index to Kings County, New York Probate Records," #541783, I was able to locate the cards for two individuals I am researching. They are dated from 1870 to 1892. Is the Surrogate Court the only place that has these? Does anyone know if the probate files themselves have been filmed? I haven't been able to find anything in the FHL catalog that indicates they hold a copy. Thanks for the help, Laurie

In 1859, New York City then included only New York County (the Island of Manhattan and a few small islands in the East River), while across the East River, the City of Brooklyn, having recently annexed the City of Williamsburgh and the Town of Bushwick, was approximately the northern-third of Kings County, with the rest of Kings County consisting of the Town of Flatbush, the Town of Flatlands, the Town of Gravesend, the Town of New Lots and the Town of New Utrecht. Today, NYC includes 5 boroughs (administrative districts of New York City) that are coterminous with 5 counties (political sub-divisions of New York State); and, simultaneously, NYC is also coterminous with 7+ postal cities. But, as mentioned above, this wasn't always the case ... Downstate New York State has its own special geography ... where things can be a bit confusing to outsiders as well as to long time residents, and for a full explanation of the idiosyncrasies of the geography and governmental organization of New York City, read on: Beginning on November 1, 1683, the day when the Province of New York created the original 12 counties (Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, Dutchess, Kings, New York, Orange, Queens, Richmond, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester), the City and County of New York included only the Island of Manhattan (and a few small islands in the East River). The first change doesn't come until almost 200 years later, when, in 1873, the City and County of New York annexed the "western" Bronx (all or parts of the Town of Kingsbridge, the Town of West Farms and the Town of Morrisania; or, in other words, the area west of the Bronx River and south of the City of Yonkers) from Westchester County. This annexed area was initially called the "Northern Annex". This was followed in 1895, when the City and County of New York annexed the "eastern" Bronx (most of the Town of Westchester and portions of the Town of Eastchester and the Town of Pelham) and in 1896, when City Island was annexed too, from the Town of Pelham in Westchester County as well. There is a small change on June 15, 1886 when the Lloyd's Neck peninsula is transferred from the Town of Oyster Bay, then in Queens County to the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County. The big change comes in 1898, when the City and County of New York, the City of Brooklyn/Kings County, Richmond County (Staten Island) and the western-quarter of Queens County (the City of Long Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the Rockaway peninsula of the Town of Hempstead) are consolidated into the new New York City. On January 1, 1899, as the eastern three-quarters of Queens secede and form Nassau County, the Rockaway peninsula of the Town of Hempstead remains behind as part of Queens. Then in 1914, the Bronx County separates from New York County. (Thus, for 16 years, from 1898 to 1914, New York City was made up of 5 boroughs, but only 4 counties.) Simultaneous to these changes, in 1851, Kings County consists of 2 cities (Brooklyn and Williamsburgh) and 6 towns (Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend, New Lots and New Utrecht). In 1854, the City of Brooklyn annexes the City of Williamsburgh and the Town of Bushwick (these annexed areas are referred to as the Eastern District); in 1886, the City of Brooklyn annexes the Town of New Lots; in 1894, the City of Brooklyn annexes the Towns of Flatbush, New Utrecht and Gravesend; and, in 1896, the City of Brooklyn annexes the Town of Flatlands and becomes coterminous with Kings County. Now, to make this even more complicated, the U.S. Postal Service has divided the City of New York into 7+ postal cities: New York (covers Manhattan and the Bronx), Staten Island, Brooklyn (covers most of Brooklyn and parts of northwest and southwest Queens), Long Island City (most of the original Town of Newtown in Queens), Flushing (includes all of the original Town of Flushing and parts of the Town of Newtown in Queens and also part of what was Town of Bushwick in Brooklyn), Jamaica (most of the original Town of Jamaica in Queens and a small area in what was the East New York section of the Town of New Lots in Brooklyn) and Far Rockaway (in Queens). (Additionally, a few small areas in the Bronx are serviced by post offices located in Westchester County and hence have "Westchester" mailing addresses, such as "Yonkers, NY", "Pelham Manor, NY", etc.) Lastly, but not last by any means, New York City is divided into 5 boroughs (city administrative districts) and each of these 5 boroughs are coterminous with one of the 5 vestigial counties (sub-divisions of New York State) as: ......Borough............County ......Manhattan.........New York ......Staten Island.....Richmond ......Brooklyn...........Kings ......the Bronx..........Bronx ......Queens............Queens Note: Prior to 1975, the Borough of Staten Island was the Borough of Richmond. A more detailed geography of NYC follows my name. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY The following detailed geography was derived from information in an eMail sent by Nancy Coleman (ncroots@worldnet.att.net) to "NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com" on January 17, 2000. The Bronx County/Borough the only part of NYC that is on the mainland, is a peninsula, north of Manhattan, separated from Manhattan Island by the Spuyten Duyvil Creek and the Harlem River. Also includes North Brother Island, South Brother Island, Riker's Island, City Island, Hart Island, and numerous other small islands in the Long Island Sound. It is bordered to its north by Westchester County. Kings County/Borough of Brooklyn is the westernmost part of Long Island and it is bordered on the northeast by Queens County/Borough and includes many sanctuary islands in Jamaica Bay, to its southeast. It is bordered to its south by the Rockaway Inlet, the Atlantic Ocean, Gravesend Bay, Lower NY Bay, and to its west, Upper New York Bay and the East River. New York County/Borough of Manhattan: is an island, bordered on the West by the Hudson (aka North) River, the east by the East River and the Harlem River, and on the north by the Spuyten Duyvil Creek and the Harlem River. Also includes Roosevelt Island, Governors Island, and Randalls/Wards Island, as well as Ellis and Liberty Islands. Queens County/Borough is on Long Island and includes the Rockaway Peninsula, and many islands within Jamaica Bay. Most of its islands are a part of the Gateway National Recreation Area (National Park Service) and are wildlife refuges and bird sanctuaries. Broad Channel being the exception, which is residential. Queens runs the entire width of Long Island with the East River and Long Island Sound to the north, Kings County/Borough of Brooklyn to its southwest, Nassau County to its east, and Jamaica Bay and the Atlantic Ocean to its south. Richmond County/Borough of Staten Island is an island, lying south of Manhattan Island, bordered by New Jersey to its west (separated by the Arthur Kill), NJ to its north (separated by the Kill Van Kull), Upper NY Bay to its east, and Lower NY Bay and the Atlantic Ocean to its south. Also includes Shooter's Island, Prall's Island, and Island of Meadow - all of which are bird sanctuaries. Also, to its south, are Hoffman Island and Swinburn Island which are part of the Gateway National Recreation Area, administered by the US National Park Service.

Hello everyone, Can anyone help me find the section of Brooklyn that 178 Sands St. was called? Also, could anyone direct me to the correct ED in 1900, 1910, 1920, & 1930 census for this address? Many thanks in advance for help! Cathy -- Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO (St. Louis) http://spittingnickels.blogspot.com/ Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. - Robert A. Heinlein

Hey Intelligent people, I need some help. I have turned completely brain dead over this matter (I do have fibromyalgia, which doesn't help at all) - I am looking for a lady named Ruby who lived at 178 Sands St. in Brooklyn but I'm not sure of the year. The family I am researching lived in Brooklyn from 1900 through 1930. I don't have Ruby's last name (but she is a relative of this family), but thought that if I could look at the census pages for those years at that address I would possibly find her. l tried using the Stephen Morris one step pages, and thought I had it figured out, but after viewing 29 pages and still not finding the correct page I gave up. Will anybody take pity on me and help me out? The winner gets a gold star by their name, a cyber hug from me, and the promise of lookups from the St. Louis County Library headquarters in MO. Thanks, Cathy -- Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO (St. Louis) http://spittingnickels.blogspot.com/ Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. - Robert A. Heinlein

Hi, Does anyone have the address for the Social Security application for cards?? I wrote to get a better copy of the application I had received a few years ago.? The number was illegible and I sent a check asking for a better copy.? As a result, I received a call from an irate person wanting to know where I had gotten the copy and telling me that I could not have a better copy.? She was quite upset.? Evidently she didn't know that at one time you could make the request and receive the application. Rita

Hello Brooklyn, The individual posts I made re 1859 NYC Directory, refer to Manhattan only.. At that time, Manhattan was NYC. Brooklyn was its own city. It wasn't until 1898 that Greater NYC was created, and incorporated Brooklyn. So.......... If you are looking for the 1859 Brooklyn Directory, please go to this link, already on the Brooklyn homepage. http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Directory/1859/index.html I hope this simplifies your searches. Barb N of NYC ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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