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Thank you for the correct facts, Princess. Please excuse my misinformation. Now, I am really glad that I chose to research state records at NARA! OK, here's the scoop: NARA has New York STATE Index for birth, marriage, death NYPL has New York CITY Index for birth, marriage, death LDS has ____________________________ (fill in the blank) Barb N of NYC ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)
Would the NY State Index be available at the Philadelphia NARA? How about an LDS Family History Center? I'm a little far from NYC. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> To: <NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com>; <NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com>; <NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: [BKLYN] Ancestors MIA in NYC? > If you are stumped finding an Ancestor's birth, marriage, and death > certificates in NYC, you may want to research them on the NY State Index > available at > NARA and NYPL. I chose NARA because it is a smaller and usually quieter > facility. > > On my trip to NYC NARA on Saturday (yes, they are open one Saturday per > month), I searched just the Death Index. Fortunatley, these are typed so > data is > clear. These are divided into three time frames: 1881-1919, 1919-1945, > and > 1946- > 1958. Each time frame holds a couple of thousand alphabetized microfiche, > so > you may need to search 2 - 3 for each year. > > Examples: > In one instance, I had an actual death date to work with, so viewed two > microfiche and VOILA! our NYC guy was found in Rockland County. The data > frm the > index included: the name, death date, city/town of death, and certificate > number of the deceased. > > In another ase, I was searching a Katy/Catherine/Katherine MAUL/MAULE/ > MAILE/MALL/MELL etc, without a known death year, seeking 1900-1904. For > each of the > five years, I had to review two microfiche, due to the number of deceased > included on just one film. > > If anyone has searched Births and Marriages on the NYS Index, > I'd appreciate it if you'd share onlist, what years are covered for each > of > these vital records. > > It is a relief to know that you have alternatives to brickwall New > Yorkers! > > Barb > N of NYC > > > > ************** > New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > ___________________________________ > > The Bklyn Info Pages Website: > www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/ > > List Administrator: NancyL916@aol.com > > Post to List: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com > ___________________________________ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Could someone help with a Township problem. I need to know what Township or District 434 105th Street, Queens, NY is in. I'm trying to find relatives in the 1920 census and can't find them. I have a hand written copy of the information but I can't find the actual page in the census. I would appreciate any help. Joanne LOVE ALONE is capable of uniting living beings in such a way as to complete and fulfill them, for it alone takes them and joins themby what is deepest in themselves. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1881-1955) French paleontologist and philosopher Looking for: Eickert, Franz, Gienau, Granelli, Hurlman, Hausch, Kestner, Kestel, Kistel, Lutz, Rieve(s)/Reeve(s)/Rieve(s), Schillings, Urban, Walter(s)
FABULOUS I LOVE IT CLAUDIA -----Original Message----- From: nybrooklyn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nybrooklyn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Evelyn & Bill Hinkle Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 1:58 PM To: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com; nykings@rootsweb.com; ny-irish@rootsweb.com; nyerie@rootsweb.com; nyniagara@rootsweb.com; mdgarret@rootsweb.com; mdallega@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKLYN] The Census Taker In cleaning out some genealogy "stuff", I ran across this and thought some of you might enjoy it. Amazing how we "take things for granted" as we read the census and never really think of what went on "in those days." Hope you enjoy this as much as I did. THE CENSUS TAKER It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready...a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; His book and some quills were tucked close by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there; Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face; And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water...as they sat at the table; And she answered his questions...the best she was able. He asked of her children...Yes, she had quite a few; The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; His sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride; And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age... The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head; And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"; Was it Kanssas? or Utah? or Oregon...or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear; But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; They could read some...and write some...though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done; So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear; "May God bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp...it's now you and me; As we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; As we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day; That the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart; Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. AUTHOR UNKNOWN ___________________________________ The Bklyn Info Pages Website: www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/ List Administrator: NancyL916@aol.com Post to List: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com ___________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
If you are stumped finding an Ancestor's birth, marriage, and death certificates in NYC, you may want to research them on the NY State Index available at NARA and NYPL. I chose NARA because it is a smaller and usually quieter facility. On my trip to NYC NARA on Saturday (yes, they are open one Saturday per month), I searched just the Death Index. Fortunatley, these are typed so data is clear. These are divided into three time frames: 1881-1919, 1919-1945, and 1946- 1958. Each time frame holds a couple of thousand alphabetized microfiche, so you may need to search 2 - 3 for each year. Examples: In one instance, I had an actual death date to work with, so viewed two microfiche and VOILA! our NYC guy was found in Rockland County. The data frm the index included: the name, death date, city/town of death, and certificate number of the deceased. In another ase, I was searching a Katy/Catherine/Katherine MAUL/MAULE/ MAILE/MALL/MELL etc, without a known death year, seeking 1900-1904. For each of the five years, I had to review two microfiche, due to the number of deceased included on just one film. If anyone has searched Births and Marriages on the NYS Index, I'd appreciate it if you'd share onlist, what years are covered for each of these vital records. It is a relief to know that you have alternatives to brickwall New Yorkers! Barb N of NYC ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)
In cleaning out some genealogy "stuff", I ran across this and thought some of you might enjoy it. Amazing how we "take things for granted" as we read the census and never really think of what went on "in those days." Hope you enjoy this as much as I did. THE CENSUS TAKER It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready...a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; His book and some quills were tucked close by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there; Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face; And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water...as they sat at the table; And she answered his questions...the best she was able. He asked of her children...Yes, she had quite a few; The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; His sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride; And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age... The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head; And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"; Was it Kanssas? or Utah? or Oregon...or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear; But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; They could read some...and write some...though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done; So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear; "May God bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp...it's now you and me; As we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; As we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day; That the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart; Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. AUTHOR UNKNOWN
This is a great and detailed explanation. Thanks. Joy --- On Sun, 10/5/08, MizScarlettNY@aol.com <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> wrote: From: MizScarlettNY@aol.com <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> Subject: [BKLYN] NY Emigrant Savings Bank (1850-1883)---Searching online To: NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com, NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com, NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 2:25 PM NY EMIGRANT SAVINGS BANK---Originated in 1850, but was not limited to only Irish account holders So many folks posted Irish surnames in our Brooklyn List Roll Call. We've all experienced the most common frustration: so many common given and surname combinations, so little time. Then, Naturalization records, once you decode which one is yours, usually by a luckily found street address match, state the place of birth as "Ireland," period. So, you've procrastinated searching those oh so common Irish names on Emigrant Savings Bank records. It's searchable through Ancestry.com, home and library versions. There are some ways to explore the site and reduce your sitting time, and patience. Start by entering the first and last names. Surely at least ten results will surface, but perhaps as many as forty. Once the "hits" appear on screen, reenter the name, in the search book below them. Adjust your search with the drop down menu choice stating "Text Books." This will eliminate about half of the original options, which are merely deposits and list of owners and account numbers. Now, have your pen and paper handy to list each one that you view, as you review the choices. Just list the date, name and account number; which you simply mark yes, no, or maybe. Perhaps you know the county of origin, or approximate arrival date to NYC. You'll open and review each one. What is absolutely fantabulous about this site is that once you find your ancestor, the image will reveal their age, NYC address, occupation, immigrant ship and date, and other notes. These may reveal other goodies like exact date of birth, wife's name and place of birth and her immigration date and ship, parents' and children's names, and their exact hometown...what you really wanted. Don't be surprised if your ancestor has several accounts. Emigrant Savings Bank encouraged clients to save money so that they might bring other family to the U.S., so some accounts will indicate ITF. Often the relationship of the account holder, to the ITF name is indicated as fiance, mother, etc. Note: The original building is standing at 51 Chambers Street, a a 17-story building in the Beaux Arts style. It is adjacent to the NYC Municipal Archives. Barb N of NYC ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ___________________________________ The Bklyn Info Pages Website: www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/ List Administrator: NancyL916@aol.com Post to List: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com ___________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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Responding to Roll Call request. I did send this twice already on Oct 2 and 4. I'm not sure what happened to my original message, unless the outgoing setting for email was for HTML. These are my husband's family on his father's side. Ezra Kessler, originally named Eiser Kisilenko, from Kilia/Kiliya/Chilia, Romania, now Ukraine, came to U.S. 1908 Sarah Elizabeth Levy Kessler, Ezra's wife their children: Joseph Benjamin Jacob/Jack Michael/Morris Charles Carl "Sharky" Daniel David Frances Kessler Friedlander Minnie Kessler Puchalsky Esther Kessler Dabrusin Rose Kessler Rich The Kesslers lived in Brooklyn and Manhattan. These are my husband's family on his mother's side. Julian Kowalewski from Lodz, Poland, came to U.S. 1908. Julia Miller Kowalewska, wife of Julian, from Lodz, Poland, came to U.S. 1909 with her 5 daughters, whose names follow. Marya = Mary Kowalewska Sargis Helena = Helen Kowalwska Dombroski Oxylia = Stella Kowalewska Madler Alexandra Olga Kowalewska Orlik Otylia Irena = Irene Kowalewska Kessler The Kowalewskis lived in Passaic and Jersey City, NJ; also Bronx and Brooklyn. If anyone on the list is related to any of these people, I would love to share information. I have found a few genie cousins but I'm sure more out there must be interested in their family history. Thanks for the opportunity. Vivian in South Carolina
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Interesting reading, Barb. I found an account entry for the brother of my great grandfather. It verified information that I had found in Ireland as well as providing more. I wish ALL of my ancestors had had accounts there!! Pretty exciting to read SO much information on one little line of writing. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)
The NY Irish Emigrant Bank was also known as Emigrant Industrial Savings Bank. For those interested in the book IRISH IMMIGRANTS of the EMIGRANT INDUSTRIAL SAVINGS BANK Volume II Accounts 2501 - 7500 By Kevin J. Rich See: http://www.irishnyhistory.org/Emigrant2.htm Barb N of NC ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)
Source: http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections& op=viewarticle&artid=70 Fifty-nine volumes from the archives of the Emigrant Savings Bank are now in the Rare Books and Manuscripts Division of the New York Public Library. The Indexes are arranged in rough alphabetical order; entries are chronological by the first letter of the surname, and show the corresponding account number (e.g., Ann Prendergast was account #3271). There are three index books: Reel 1 Index Book 1 1850-1866 Reel 2 Index Book 2 1867-1877 Reel 3 Index Book 3 1878-1880 ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)
NY EMIGRANT SAVINGS BANK---Originated in 1850, but was not limited to only Irish account holders So many folks posted Irish surnames in our Brooklyn List Roll Call. We've all experienced the most common frustration: so many common given and surname combinations, so little time. Then, Naturalization records, once you decode which one is yours, usually by a luckily found street address match, state the place of birth as "Ireland," period. So, you've procrastinated searching those oh so common Irish names on Emigrant Savings Bank records. It's searchable through Ancestry.com, home and library versions. There are some ways to explore the site and reduce your sitting time, and patience. Start by entering the first and last names. Surely at least ten results will surface, but perhaps as many as forty. Once the "hits" appear on screen, reenter the name, in the search book below them. Adjust your search with the drop down menu choice stating "Text Books." This will eliminate about half of the original options, which are merely deposits and list of owners and account numbers. Now, have your pen and paper handy to list each one that you view, as you review the choices. Just list the date, name and account number; which you simply mark yes, no, or maybe. Perhaps you know the county of origin, or approximate arrival date to NYC. You'll open and review each one. What is absolutely fantabulous about this site is that once you find your ancestor, the image will reveal their age, NYC address, occupation, immigrant ship and date, and other notes. These may reveal other goodies like exact date of birth, wife's name and place of birth and her immigration date and ship, parents' and children's names, and their exact hometown...what you really wanted. Don't be surprised if your ancestor has several accounts. Emigrant Savings Bank encouraged clients to save money so that they might bring other family to the U.S., so some accounts will indicate ITF. Often the relationship of the account holder, to the ITF name is indicated as fiance, mother, etc. Note: The original building is standing at 51 Chambers Street, a a 17-story building in the Beaux Arts style. It is adjacent to the NYC Municipal Archives. Barb N of NYC ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)
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This descripton is straight from the Ancestry.com site. B Ancestry.com:Search > Immigration > New York Emigrant Savings Bank, 1850-1883 New York Emigrant Savings Bank, 1850-1883 This database contains images of original records. This database is also searchable as part of a larger collection of related databases. Search the larger collection. Source Information:Ancestry.com. New York Emigrant Savings Bank, 1850-1883 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Emigrant Savings Bank. Emigrant Savings Bank Records. Call number *R-USLHG *ZI-815. Rolls 1-20. New York Public Library, New York, New York. About New York Emigrant Savings Bank, 1850-1883The Emigrant Savings Bank in the U.S. was established in 1850 by members of the Irish Emigrant Society. The bank ended up serving thousands of Irish immigrants who fled to America following the infamous Potato Famine. The bank kept many volumes of records including an Index Book; a Test Book; a Transfer, Signature, and Test Book; and a Deposit-Account Ledger. This database is an index to these records providing the given name and surname of the depositor, their account number, account date, and year and place of birth, if given. In addition, each indexed individual is linked to the image on which they appear where more information may be available. For more information about this database, click here. The Emigrant Savings Bank was established in 1850 by members of the Irish Emigrant Society. The bank ended up serving thousands of Irish immigrants who fled to America following the infamous Potato Famine. The bank kept many volumes of records including an Index Book; a Test Book; a Transfer, Signature, and Test Book; and a Deposit-Account Ledger. This database is an index to these records providing the given name and surname of the depositor, their account number, account date, and year and place of birth, if given. In addition, each indexed individual is linked to the image on which they appear where more information may be available. While the majority of the emigrants found in this collection will be Irish, you may occasionally find emigrants of other nationalities as well.Index Book: The bank kept an index of all individuals recorded in their volumes. This book will usually provide the name of the depositor, the date of the record, and the individual's account number. This book will also refer you to a Test Book or a Transfer, Signature, and Test Book.Test Books: The Test Books cover the years 1850-68 and contain a variety of details about the depositor and his family. Information that may be found in this set of records includes the date of the record, the name of the depositor, his account number, occupation, residence, and other remarks, which could include names of other family members, immigration information, or birth or residence information in Ireland.Transfer, Signature, and Test Books: These books existed from 1850-83 and were used primarily for recording changes made to an individual's account information. Examples of such a change could be a new signature, a change in address, or a change in the account holder. Information that may be found in this set of records includes the signature of the account holder, the date of the record, the account number, the individual's residence, occupation, year born, birthplace, and family relations.Deposit-Account Ledger: These records are arranged by account number and contain an account history for each individual, recording typical transactions such as deposits and withdrawals. Please choose a record type: To browse this collection, click on a record type below. ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)
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NYC NARA [201 Varick Street] and NYPL on 5th Avenue have searchable index records to New York State births, marriages and deaths. With the preponderance of upstate NY, as well as Suffolk County, physical and mental health institutions, orphanages, tuberculosis farms, summr homes, etc, if you cannot locate a BMD record for you ancestors in the five boroughs, this seems the most logical next step to finding you them. Barb N of NYC Barb N of NYC ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)