Hi: Can any one tell me if there is such a town or village in Queens called Clarenceville? It is shown as the birthplace of my mother on my father's petition for naturalization in 1943. Thank you. Gladys Gladys Jensen in Colorado

Hi Bill, Which century are you talking about? My main research of 15 years is on the KIDDER name, and I have the very good "KIDDER book" (CD version). While browsing through it over the years, I have seen many families where the mother's surname (before marriage) was given as the middle name of her children. This was moreso for her sons, but it did occur with the daughters. I noticed it mostly in the 1700's and 1800's. There were several other cases where the mother's maiden name (surname) was used as the given name for one of her sons, probably first son. In fact it was the grandmother's maiden name (surname) which was given to the first son as his given name: Joseph KIDDER and Rebecca CHAMBERLAIN lived in New Ipswich, NH (came up from Chelmsford and Westford, MA). Their first child was a son, and he was named, Wilder KIDDER (b~1760). It was Rebecca's mother's maiden name (surname), WILDER, that was given to her grandson. * Coming down a few generations, and then up in northern Maine, a descendant, Joseph KIDDER and his wife, Clarissa WILKINS, also had many children. I believe several of them were named after a sibling in Clarissa's large family who had passed. For instance, their first son, who became my great-grandfather, was named, George Sanford KIDDER. George was her father's name and Sanford was the name of one of her brothers - who I cannot locate in records. "Sanford" KIDDER married for a 2nd time to a Louise Wellington RICE. She was from Winchester, MA, but her father, Charles Wellington RICE, was the youngest of 10 children born in Lubec, Maine. Many people have suggested that Louise was given that middle name because of a relative with the WELLINGTON surname in Winchester, MA. But, a little investigating showed that her father was probably given that middle name - because of the "Duke of Wellington." (Famous Statesman in Great Britain who was in his last years.) http://www.massmoments.org:80/moment.cfm?mid=293 "Sanford" and Louise (m.1898) had a daughter and then 2 sons, the first, Sanford, Jr., the 2nd, Clinton Wellington KIDDER. Sanford had a brother, Clinton, and we don't know where that given name came from. Just an FYI for you. Betty (near Lowell, MA) (on Lists for 7 years; now an administrator for 7 Lists) * Wilder KIDDER became a "famous and animated Fifer" in the Rev. War, and he fought in many battles in many states, including Valley Forge in PA, and he married a woman from NJ. Wilder's brother, Calvin, left NH and moved to New Brunswick; his only child, "Calvin," started the branch of the family near Calais, Maine. Their younger brother, Joseph, fought in the War as a 14-yr.-old; I can't find him after the War. Calvin was not a Loyalist; he traveled with other families and might have been following his girlfriend. (FYI for Brooklyn researchers, I'm still looking for descendants of Mrs. Louise (RICE) KIDDER's uncle, John HUTCHINSON, in Brooklyn. He and his 2 married sisters moved from Winchester to Brooklyn in the 1850's and remained there.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <billmellsworth@comcast.net> To: <nykings@rootsweb.com>; "ME-Irish" <ME-Irish@rootsweb.com>; <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 3:44 AM Subject: [ME-IRISH] naming traditions I've seen the subject of given names addressed a number times. I wonder if anyone is familiar with tradition of using surnames as a middle name among the Irish, Scots and English. Bill

This naming pattern was often used to honor a genealogical family, especially the mother's maiden name. LClark01@knology.net writes: > I have 2 aunts that were given surnames as their middle name. They were > ScotsIrish. They were the 2nd and 3rd born daughters. ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News &amp; more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

I have 2 aunts that were given surnames as their middle name. They were ScotsIrish. They were the 2nd and 3rd born daughters. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <billmellsworth@comcast.net> To: <nykings@rootsweb.com>; "ME-Irish" <ME-Irish@rootsweb.com>; <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 3:44 AM Subject: [BKLYN] naming traditions > I've seen the subject of given names addressed a number times. I wonder if > anyone is familiar with tradition of using surnames as a middle name among > the Irish, Scots and English. > > Bill > ___________________________________ > > The Bklyn Info Pages Website: > www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/ > > List Administrator: NancyL916@aol.com > > Post to List: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com > ___________________________________ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've seen the subject of given names addressed a number times. I wonder if anyone is familiar with tradition of using surnames as a middle name among the Irish, Scots and English. Bill

Can anyone find the actual death certificate of this NYC Cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church? According to Wikipedia, he was born in Newtown-Hamilton, Co. Armagh, Ireland on 20 April 1842. He died on 17 September 1918. Full Name: John Murphy FARLEY Two generations tell that he was related to my g-g grandmother, but can't quite figure out how. I need his parents names from the DC. Prize to be announced offlist, based upon the first correct answer! Barb N of NYC ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News &amp; more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

Peggy, Kathleen and I have McKENNA family. Please send some info to both of us offlist. Me...above address. Kathleen=KTracy1999@aol.com Thanks, Barb peggy545@msn.com writes: > I have been searching for members of my family with the names Mc > Kenna, Mc Aulife,Mc Auliff and Kerwin. > Hope someone can help me out. > peggy545@msn.com ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News &amp; more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

I know of two Westchester County families with this name in the 1960s and 1970s, that is the county just north of the Bronx NYC. Joe CAVERLEY was well know in Westchester County and Parks Department...was perhaps Commissiner. You should be able to google him. A Robert CAVERLEY graduated from Yorktown High School, in Yorktown Heights, NY in 1965. He may have become a VN vet. Barb N of NYC ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News &amp; more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

Kropa and Cieciorkowski from Poland and Queens. Elenz , NYC and Brooklyn Vollkommer, Herlein - Brooklyn

I have hit a brick wall in my search for the names of the parents of my Gggrandparents: Richard and Mary (Smith) Caverley. They were both born in Ireland (Kenmare and Cavan) and probably came to the US sometime around 1830-40 and lived in Brooklyn at 109 Navy St. They appear to have had family connections to a Robinson family who also came from Ireland. Richard Caverley and Mr. Robinson both were employed as hatters. Richard Caverley was naturalized in Quarter sessions Court in Philadelphia in 1850 before moving to Brooklyn where he passed away in 1875. Just wondering if anyone else on the list may be searching for one or both of these families. Russ Wood

I have been searching for members of my family with the names Mc Kenna, Mc Aulife,Mc Auliff and Kerwin. Hope someone can help me out. peggy545@msn.com

Hoping to find descendents of Cornelius and Mary Fitzpatrick m. 1900, He born Waterford, Ire, she born New York, her parents born Sweden. Their children John (Kearns) Fitzpatrick, 1899, Lillian, 1902, Sadie 1903, (Denis Shine), Mary 1904 (Thomas Loftus), Charles 1906, Frank, 1907, Walter 1908 (Anna Bady), Dennis 1911 (Margaret Ferguson) Helen 1914, Irene, 1917, George, 1919, Cornelius Worked at Brooklyn Union Gas, he died 1947, 688 Humboldt St. Bklyn. Any help greatly appreciated. Virginia _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

Hi Janet, You can get to all the Mailing Lists and Message Boards by going to the home page www.rootsweb.com If you go down to the Mailing List section, there are 2 ways to find a List. If you already know the name of the List, you can use the "find a list" feature. If you go to the "Index" feature, you can find -all- the Lists mentioned. And, I usually remind people to check out all the Miscellaneous and Other categories. You might be surprised at what Lists are available. Betty (near Lowell, MA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Truncali" <truncali@warwick.net> To: <NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYNewYor-L@roots> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: [BKLYN] Vermont rootsweb email address Hi, Could someone send me the Vermont Rootsweb email address? If there is more than one, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Janet

Hi List, I am interested in the following surnames: Samuel/Samuels - Poland/Russia, England, Brooklyn & Manhatten, NY (changed from Samuel to Samuels in NY) Jacobs - Poland/Russia or maybe Germany, England, Brooklyn, NY Bassert/Basset - b. Brooklyn, NY Solomon - b. Russia to Brooklyn, NY (anywhere in between?) Levine - b. Russia to Brooklyn, NY (anywhere in between?) Riback - b. ? Phillips - b. ? The family is shown below and shows how these surnames interconnect. Descendants of Morris SAMUEL Morris SAMUEL (b.Jan 1856-East London Co,Middlesex,London) sp: Sarah JACOBS (b.Jan 1858-Poland-Russia m.19 Feb 1879) |-Henry/Handig Charles SAMUEL (b.Sep 1878-England) | sp: Fannie UNKNOWN (b.Abt 1882-NY m.Abt 1904) | |-Murray L. SAMUEL (b.19 May 1906-NY d.10 Feb 1994-NY) | +-Sidney SAMUEL (b.Abt 1911-NY) |-Samuel Alfred SAMUEL (b.Aug 1881-England d.Jun 1970-Lake Worth,Palm Beach,FL) | sp: Gertrude (b.Abt 1888-NY m.Abt 1915) |-Charles SAMUEL (b.09 Jan 1885-England) | sp: Minnie BASSERT (b.Abt 1886-NY m.09 Feb 1908) | |-Ethel SAMUEL (b.Abt Jan 1909) | |-Miriam SAMUEL (b.Abt 1917-NY) | +-Jannette SAMUEL (b.Abt 1921-NY) |-Abraham SAMUEL (b.27 Apr 1887-NY d.Mar 1966-NY) | sp: Ella SOLOMON (b.Abt 1893-Russia m.Abt 1912) | |-Mae/May SAMUEL (b.Abt 1914-NY) | | sp: RIBACK | +-Irma SAMUEL (b.Abt 1921-NY) | sp: PHILLIPS +-Jacob J. SAMUEL (b.16 Mar 1889-NY d.Oct 1969-NY) sp: Lillie LEVINE (b.Abt 1890-Russia m.Abt 1914) |-Rosalyn SAMUEL (b.Abt 1914-NY) +-Sadie SAMUEL (b.Abt 07 Jun 1915-NY) Some of the information is for sure and some is pretty sure. I'm still trying to connect the dots. I have a lot of information on Morris Samuel(s) ancestry and some of Sarah Jacob's ancestry if interested. I haven't found a connection to anyone else so far, so if there is any possibility...I'd love to hear from you! Happy hunting! Luana

I can't pin it down. In 1917 it was Richmond Hill and in 1922 it was in Corona in the town of Newtown. -----Original Message----- From: nyqueens-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyqueens-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Moore Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:21 PM To: BROOKLYN LIST; QUEENS LIST Subject: [NYQUEENS] Map of Queens, NY Could someone help with a Township problem.  I need to know what Township or District 434 105th Street, Queens, NY is in.  I'm trying to find relatives in the 1920 census and can't find them.  I have a hand written copy of the information but I can't find the actual page in the census.  I would appreciate any help.   Joanne   LOVE ALONE is capable of uniting living beings in such a way as to complete and fulfill them, for it alone takes them and joins themby what is deepest in themselves. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1881-1955) French paleontologist and philosopher Looking for: Eickert, Franz, Gienau, Granelli, Hurlman, Hausch, Kestner, Kestel, Kistel, Lutz, Rieve(s)/Reeve(s)/Rieve(s), Schillings, Urban, Walter(s) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYQUEENS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone has access to the roll numbers for the births in Brooklyn and Queens?  I need one for Brooklyn and Queens for year 1895 and 1893.   Thank you.   Joanne LOVE ALONE is capable of uniting living beings in such a way as to complete and fulfill them, for it alone takes them and joins themby what is deepest in themselves. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1881-1955) French paleontologist and philosopher Looking for: Eickert, Franz, Gienau, Granelli, Hurlman, Hausch, Kestner, Kestel, Kistel, Lutz, Rieve(s)/Reeve(s)/Rieve(s), Schillings, Urban, Walter(s)

Hi, Could someone send me the Vermont Rootsweb email address? If there is more than one, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Janet

I hope this URL helps someone. Thanks to a Joe Beine... this site features all 50 states and the District of Columbia. I have no other information. Online Searchable Death Indexes & Records _http://www.deathindexes.com/_ (http://www.deathindexes.com/) Kathleen~CT. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

Hi Nancy & listers, Just unsubbing for vacation in NC... I will return to list after Columbus Day ! Anna Marie Paunetto :) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

Bill, a list of the libraries and archives that have the New York State vital records are on Dick Hillenbrand's blog at http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-to-obtain-copies-of-vital-records.html . Joy Joy Rich Chapter Representative, New York Metro Chapter Association of Professional Genealogists http://www.apgen.org http://www.apgen.org/chapters/newyork --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Bill Pfeifer <bpfeifer@verizon.net> wrote: From: Bill Pfeifer <bpfeifer@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [BKLYN] Ancestors MIA in NYC? To: MizScarlettNY@aol.com, NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com, NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com, NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 2:38 PM Would the NY State Index be available at the Philadelphia NARA? How about an LDS Family History Center? I'm a little far from NYC. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> To: <NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com>; <NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com>; <NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: [BKLYN] Ancestors MIA in NYC? > If you are stumped finding an Ancestor's birth, marriage, and death > certificates in NYC, you may want to research them on the NY State Index > available at > NARA and NYPL. I chose NARA because it is a smaller and usually quieter > facility. > > On my trip to NYC NARA on Saturday (yes, they are open one Saturday per > month), I searched just the Death Index. Fortunatley, these are typed so > data is > clear. These are divided into three time frames: 1881-1919, 1919-1945, > and > 1946- > 1958. Each time frame holds a couple of thousand alphabetized microfiche, > so > you may need to search 2 - 3 for each year. > > Examples: > In one instance, I had an actual death date to work with, so viewed two > microfiche and VOILA! our NYC guy was found in Rockland County. The data > frm the > index included: the name, death date, city/town of death, and certificate > number of the deceased. > > In another ase, I was searching a Katy/Catherine/Katherine MAUL/MAULE/ > MAILE/MALL/MELL etc, without a known death year, seeking 1900-1904. For > each of the > five years, I had to review two microfiche, due to the number of deceased > included on just one film. > > If anyone has searched Births and Marriages on the NYS Index, > I'd appreciate it if you'd share onlist, what years are covered for each > of > these vital records. > > It is a relief to know that you have alternatives to brickwall New > Yorkers! > > Barb > N of NYC > > > > ************** > New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News &amp; more. Try it out! > > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > ___________________________________ > > The Bklyn Info Pages Website: > www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/ > > List Administrator: NancyL916@aol.com > > Post to List: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com > ___________________________________ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ___________________________________ The Bklyn Info Pages Website: www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/ List Administrator: NancyL916@aol.com Post to List: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com ___________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message