FYI. Some films (such as one I need LOL) are restricted to use at the Utah Center and cannot be sent to your local FHL's . Joyce We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. ...Albert Einstein In a message dated 12/21/2011 8:01:18 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: You can order any film delivered to your local center from Salt Lake City. There are many more films available on microfilm/fiche than info on the website. Also, it is best to confirm any info on the website by looking at the original film. It takes a little while to wait for the film to come in, but it is inexpensive. This is "primary research" as opposed to the internet. On the website you can search for the exact film you want to order, then go to the center armed with your #. (or you can search for it once you are at the center). The people there are always very helpful and pretty knowledgeable. I have found lots of info via films that is not on any website. Good luck! Barbara in Cincinnati On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Kim Hawkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Ive been to the website many times for the LDS and Ive ordered > certificates from their site but can anyone tell me what resources they > have at their genealogy centers at their church? I think the closest LDS > church to me is 1/2 drive and Im wondering if it would be worth my time to > drive there and do some research to try to find Elizabeth Christiansen's > death. If its the same resources I can find online then it wouldnt be > worth the drive. thanks. > Kim > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I once found a relative's death certificate which was 20 years off from her real age and the only reason I did not pass it by on the NYC Death Indexes was because it was a very rare name and I knew it was her. Diane Jacobs Somerset, NJ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of VLB Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:14 PM To: [email protected]; NYC list; NYBrooklyn NYBrooklyn Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Elizabeth (Elisa) Christiansen It was very common for people to give the wrong age.  Often, the birth year is different with every census.  The six-year difference does not eliminate this Elizabeth Christiansen.  You may have to order the cert to know one way or another. You can also order a search for a number of years from NYC, altho that is more money. Virginia From: Kim Hawkins <[email protected]> To: NYC list <[email protected]>; NYBrooklyn NYBrooklyn <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 7:50 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Elizabeth (Elisa) Christiansen Im looking for the death date or certificate for Elizabeth Christiansen, mostly seen as Elisa or Eliza.  She was born in Denmark October 21, 1838. The last time I find anything on her was on the 1910 census living with her son August Christiansen at 337 Guernsey St. in Brooklyn, NY. Im assuming she died between 1910 and 1920 but I cant find her death record on the IGG...there is a woman with her name on the IGG but the birth date would be about 6 yrs off so I dont think thats her. I have a distant cousin in Denmark who is writing an article for a genealogy magazine about her and she has asked me if I can help her find her death date or where she might be buried. Her husband died before 1900, his name was Christian Peter Christiansen and was born about 1841 in Denmark. Any help appreciated. Thanks Kim [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ive been to the website many times for the LDS and Ive ordered certificates from their site but can anyone tell me what resources they have at their genealogy centers at their church? I think the closest LDS church to me is 1/2 drive and Im wondering if it would be worth my time to drive there and do some research to try to find Elizabeth Christiansen's death. If its the same resources I can find online then it wouldnt be worth the drive. thanks. Kim [email protected]

I found an Elizabeth Christiansen, buried 6/9/1918 at Green-wood.com which is Greenwood Cemetery in Brooklyn, NY. Phone # 718-768-7300. I found a Christian buried 3-11-1916 interred in a different section so I don't think it is her husband. When you go to the site, scroll down to bottom of page and click on last box, bottom right with a US flag showing. There are many Christiansen's buried there in different sections. Dolores In a message dated 12/20/2011 7:51:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Im looking for the death date or certificate for Elizabeth Christiansen, mostly seen as Elisa or Eliza. She was born in Denmark October 21, 1838. The last time I find anything on her was on the 1910 census living with her son August Christiansen at 337 Guernsey St. in Brooklyn, NY. Im assuming she died between 1910 and 1920 but I cant find her death record on the IGG...there is a woman with her name on the IGG but the birth date would be about 6 yrs off so I dont think thats her. I have a distant cousin in Denmark who is writing an article for a genealogy magazine about her and she has asked me if I can help her find her death date or where she might be buried. Her husband died before 1900, his name was Christian Peter Christiansen and was born about 1841 in Denmark. Any help appreciated. Thanks Kim [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

.there is a woman with her name on the IGG but the birth date would be about 6 yrs off so I dont think thats her. I would get that certificate and check it out. Six years is nothing, especially when it is on a death record... She probably did not give the information herself, after all, and whoever did could easily be off by that much. Especially if she tended not to let on about her real age, which was not unheard of... Theres

Im looking for the death date or certificate for Elizabeth Christiansen, mostly seen as Elisa or Eliza. She was born in Denmark October 21, 1838. The last time I find anything on her was on the 1910 census living with her son August Christiansen at 337 Guernsey St. in Brooklyn, NY. Im assuming she died between 1910 and 1920 but I cant find her death record on the IGG...there is a woman with her name on the IGG but the birth date would be about 6 yrs off so I dont think thats her. I have a distant cousin in Denmark who is writing an article for a genealogy magazine about her and she has asked me if I can help her find her death date or where she might be buried. Her husband died before 1900, his name was Christian Peter Christiansen and was born about 1841 in Denmark. Any help appreciated. Thanks Kim [email protected]

I am not related to Ivan Koota nor do I know him personally. My friend sent me this site. I think Ivan is so talented, so I thought I would share it with all of you with Brooklyn roots. Happy Holidays, Kathleen~CT. (http://www.brooklynplaces.com/) _Brooklyn Places- Paintings Of Brooklyn By Ivan Koota_ (http://www.brooklynplaces.com/) _www.brooklynplaces.com_ (http://www.brooklynplaces.com/) Paintings and prints of Brooklyn by Ivan Koota, a self-taught artist born and raised in Brooklyn.

Just send details of such certificates onto Nancy Lutz, the BKLN list admin. at [email protected] Nancy includes the info in the "Paper Trails" section of the Brooklyn homepage. Barb Metro NYC Researcher [email protected] writes: > I ordered a birth certificate foir what I thought was my uncle but it > is the > wrong John Coleman.

I ordered a birth certificate foir what I thought was my uncle but it is the wrong John Coleman. This John Coleman was born June 18, 1897 toThomas Coleman and Elizabeth Walsh. He was born at 401 West 29th Street. If this is anyone's ancestor I will be happy to send it to you. My John Coleman was the son of Thomas Coleman and Mary Martin also born in 1897. I still can't find any info on Thomas after 1901 when his wife died.

Hi Jack, and All, Retried Fulton Post Cards for the first time in a while. Found Mom's wedding announcement 1st time; hard, Mom just passed on. Frankly, Jack, try as I might, decoding WWII signals is easier to me than applying directions posted on this site. Don't get it. Can't do it. Tried several times. Degrees in English/writing/researching and I do not understand these directions. Sure wish I could cut out a document, like other sites. Chronicling America (http://tinyurl.com/czvm2q)? Piece of cake. Enter a name and limit the years. Click right on the article and the words you entered apear in color. Enlarge and hand scan to get to it. Barb ========== [email protected] writes: > Thanks for your clarion call to arms regarding searches on > Fulton Postcards, even Tom Tryniski weighed in. And just think, I'm still > > trying to puzzle out the mysteries in searching newspapers on Chronicling > > America. Jack Langton ================================== [email protected] writes: > Hello All, > > I recommend using Boolean as a search type … this will allow you to filter > out many unwanted returns especially due to the large number of pages on > this site… > > Please read the help and FAQ section on how to use it..its very powerfull > if you understand how to use it > > Tom Tryniski > >

Hello Jack Langton & Friends, Would some kind reader please suggest a better way to utilize Fulton Postcards? You can make a grown woman blush and flutter her fan, Jack Langton. (Oh Prissy, take down those velvet drapes.) LOL If ever I need a campaign or fan club manager , you are definitely the man! Old Fulton NY Postcards = http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html was kept in my pocket for three years. Once released to the Roostweb community, it's been like genie seekers gone wild. Old Fulton is the crème de la crème for free newspaper searchings and has more issues of the Brooklyn Eagle than the direct access site to the BE. Using it? I just type in a name or address and click on "exact phrase," which is not efficient enough, as I open every "hit" within my time frame. Who can give us some tips for using Fulton Post Cards? Best O' Luck to all, Barb Metro NYC Researcher NOTES OF IMPORTANCE> In this season of giving, two major FREE and beneficial online sites need a little something in their stockings this year. l) Fulton Postcards (Imagine paying for those free Obits?) This is essentially a one-man show by Tom TRYNISKI. http://fultonhistory.com/Donation%20paypal.html 2) Wikipedia.com, FREE multiple language encyclopedia with researcher submitted articles. Fess up. How many trips to the library did this save you? http://tinyurl.com/cog5odz > > ================ [email protected] writes: Reply: Hi Barb, And a very good batting order it is, too. Regarding Fulton Postcards, it's a great site all right, but somehow I think I'm not getting it's full potential, though I've read all the ground rules. If I might ask, do you find one search method better than another, or one New York newspaper better than the others for certain searches? Hope I'm making some sense here. Jack Langton ========================== IRISH Homelands > [email protected] writes: > > Katie made a great point. As for me, this is the order I follow: > > l) Emigrant Savings Bank via Ancestry > 2) Obituaries----http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html (includes Bkln > Eagle], > Historical NYT > Genealogy Bank ($) > Legacy.com (since 1977) > > 3) Burials/Headstones...findagrave.com (international) > > > > >

Another great idea "jarm!" I don't know if Jack McGann is on these lists, which is why I spread the word. Two points. I recall Jack telling me he searched for James McGANN/GAN/GAHAN on the 1865 New York State Census for Brooklyn, page by page, for several days. He also followed every Civil War soldier to the end. TO ALL: Jack has been "at this" search for his James McGANN for over 7 years! James=born IRE @ 1833, married and fathered in Verplanck, NY, moved to Village of Sing Sing NY, and on 1860 census. In 1870, wife Mary McGANN need CARR, is widow with Annie and Thomas in Brooklyn. If you like a challenge, or can offer NEW EYES to this quest, or are just plain kind hearted and want to help, please contact Jack directly at the CC address above. I'll call this one "Scarlett's 1st Memorial Find." Barb =============== [email protected] writes: > If your ancestor was in the Civil War, how about trying the 1865 NY > State > Census... This census is not available for Westchester, but it is > available > for Kings Co. This census was to include the names of residents who > were in > the Army or navy, but were absent. Unfortuanely, there is no index. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] [BKLYN] MoRe: [NY-IRISH] Lost James McGann >

Somewhere, someone recommended using "fuzzy search" rather than "exact phrase" and I have been fairly lucky with that. Eileen >________________________________ >From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] >Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] >Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:27 PM >Subject: [BKLYN] FREE search old news at Fulton? > >Hello Jack Langton & Friends, > >Would some kind reader please suggest a better way to utilize Fulton >Postcards? > >You can make a grown woman blush and flutter her fan, Jack Langton. (Oh >Prissy, take down those velvet drapes.) LOL  If ever I need a campaign or fan >club manager , you are definitely the man! > >Old Fulton NY Postcards = http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html  was kept in >my pocket for three years. Once released to the Roostweb community, it's >been like genie seekers gone wild.  > >Old Fulton is the crème de la crème for free newspaper searchings and has >more issues of the Brooklyn Eagle than the direct access site to the BE. > >Using it? I just type in a name or address and click on "exact phrase," >which is not efficient enough, as I open every "hit"  within my time frame. > >Who can give us some tips for using Fulton Post Cards? > >Best O' Luck to all, >Barb >Metro NYC Researcher  > >NOTES OF IMPORTANCE> >In this season of giving, two major FREE and beneficial online sites need a >little something in their stockings this year. > >  l) Fulton Postcards  (Imagine paying for those free Obits?) >    This is essentially a one-man show by Tom TRYNISKI. >      http://fultonhistory.com/Donation%20paypal.html  > >2) Wikipedia.com, FREE multiple language encyclopedia with researcher    >submitted articles. Fess up. How many trips to the library did this save you? >  http://tinyurl.com/cog5odz >> >> >    > > > > >================ >[email protected] writes: >Reply: Hi Barb,    And a very  good batting order it is, too. Regarding >Fulton Postcards, it's a great site all  right,  but somehow I think I'm >not >getting it's full potential, though  I've read all the ground rules. If I >might ask, do you find one search method  better than another, or one New >York >newspaper better than the others for  certain searches? Hope I'm making >some >sense here. > >    Jack Langton >========================== >IRISH Homelands > > >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Katie  made a great point. As for me, this is the order I follow: >> >> l) Emigrant  Savings Bank via Ancestry >> 2)  Obituaries----http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html (includes Bkln  >> Eagle], >> Historical NYT >> Genealogy Bank ($) >> Legacy.com (since 1977) >> >> 3) Burials/Headstones...findagrave.com  (international)  >> >> >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thank you Betty. Both replies confirmed the surname in 1860 looks different for almost each family member, and we still can't figure out how Ancestry transcribed it, to refind it. The woman who found them for Jack must have gone through page by page, the old fashioned way! Jack can't find his James/Jas McGANN, illiterate Irish immigrant, between 1860 Westchester County and 1870 Kings County, Mary as widow. Civil War records dead ends. Anyone have any good suggestions for WILDCARD SEARCH surnames for McGANN? Thanks a lot Barb ====================== > Barb, > > Re: McGann James and Mary > > l) SURNAME in 1860 as transcribed by Ancestry.com....follow directions and > > read lines 18- 21 > > Looks like McGanin or Gamin in 1860. Tried search on Ancestry with > these names but did not find. > > 2) Name of Census Taker 1860: Abram Hyatt > > Also found in 1880 Bklyn, 217th ED, 773 Park Avenue North Side > > Mary McGann 51, Out of Work b.Ireland > Annie 19, Dressmaker b. New York > Thomas 17, Mat. Factory b. New York > > Hope this helps. > > Betty Noonan > [email protected]

Barb, Re: McGann James and Mary l) SURNAME in 1860 as transcribed by Ancestry.com....follow directions and read lines  18- 21 Looks like McGanin or Gamin in 1860. Tried search on Ancestry with these names but did not find. 2) Name of Census Taker 1860: Abram Hyatt Also found in 1880 Bklyn, 217th ED, 773 Park Avenue North Side Mary McGann 51, Out of Work b.Ireland Annie 19, Dressmaker b. New York Thomas 17, Mat. Factory b. New York Hope this helps. Betty Noonan [email protected]

Hi Jack, & all you little green helpers out there (:~>) He needs some new eyes to view these images to detect: l) SURNAME in 1860 as transcribed by Ancestry.com....follow directions and read lines 18- 21 2) NAME OF CENSUS TAKER in 1860 McGANN in 1860 US Census, circuitous route, as this spelling doesn't bring up James via Ancestry or Heritage Quest. So we try the old "Use a Neighbor" route. Go on Ancestry.com Enter Name: Albert Robinson Birth Year: 1856 Home in 1860:Ossining, Westchester, New York CENSUS STATES: State: New York, County: Westchester Town: Ossining Village: Sing Sing Page No. 133 Lines: 18- 21 Filed: 27 June 1860 Census Recorder: Abraham Hyatt??? 1870 Mary McGANN Kings County, Brooklyn Ward 21 Page 193 Anything else to add, Jack? Barb ================== > [email protected] writes: > > James McGann born Ireland 1826 or 1833 came to Westchester County in 1853 > and married Mary Carr McGann. They had two children Annie and Thomas. > We found Mary and the children in the 1870 Brooklyn census and she listed > herself as a widow. >

Jack, Please steer us to the two census images you have for 1860 and 1870 by providing State, Town [as appears then], Page number Ward, etc. If you used Ancestry to find your family. share that too, so we can offer a view. See? Barb

Hello Jack, Would you please provide us with details to view the two census records, 1860 & 1870? I searched for your James through Heritage Quest for 1860, but he does not appear with the McGANN surname transcribed as spelled. How do I get there, and how do I view the wife in 1870? Thanks. Barb Metro NYC Researcher [email protected] writes: > > James McGann born Ireland 1826 or 1833 came to Westchester County in 1853 > and married Mary Carr McGann. They had two children Annie and Thomas. We > found Mary and the children in the 1870 Brooklyn census and she listed > herself as a widow. >

Kim, I find it interesting that in the 1930 census, the question "age at first marriage" was left blank. It could mean that Frank and Dorothy were not officially married despite the earlier question of marital status. And that could explain why you have not found a marriage certificate. I noticed in Dorothy's SSDI record, she did not register for Social Security until she was 67 years old. Why? Is that a clue? Because the census ask for facts as of April 1, 1930, birthdays are calculated from there. If the child was 1/12, he was born in March. And since the 0 is questionable for son Frank, his age could be 10/12 making him born on June 1929 or 1/12 for March, 1930. I looked at several examples by this enumerator and he is confusing. In the SSDI, I found a Frank Murphy born on March 8, 1930 who died March 1980 in Deer Park, Suffolk county, NY. His own death certificate or descendants could provide answers. And the 1940 census should be available publicly April 1, 2012. Hopefully, more info. Good luck, Bill Pfeifer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hawkins" <[email protected]> To: "NYBrooklyn NYBrooklyn" <[email protected]>; "NYC list" <[email protected]>; "NyQueens NYQueens" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: [BKLYN] Frank Murphy and Dorothy Dwyer >I have been searching for info on Dorothy Dwyer b. April 9, 1906 in >Brooklyn, NY. She is the daughter of James Dwyer and dorothea Easterby. I >found another researcher on Ancestry.com who has a dorothy dwyer with the >same birthdate married to a Frank Murphy...this person on Ancestry hasnt >answered any of the messages I sent her. I found a Frank Murphy with a wife >Dorothy on the 1930 census and Im pretty sure its my dorothy..her mother >was born in Denmark. The 1930 Census has them having a child named Frank. >It looks like his age is either 10 months or 1 month. The ancestry >researcher has a child for them named Patrick. I have been on the IGG >website looking for a marriage cert and ordered 2 that I thought might be >my Frank but they were the wrong marriage certs. Can anyone help me find a >marriage cert number for Frank Murphy and Dorothy Dwyer. They were married >between 1920 and 1930...Im guessing closer to 1930. SS death index has a >Frank born > September 2, 1904 and died Feb. 1981 which matches the info from the > ancestry researcher. I found a SS death index for a dorothy Murphy born > April 9, 1906 and died December 1988 in Jamaica, Queens, NY. ...ancestry > researchers death date is December 23, 1986. Im sure this is my Dorothy > but I want to find a marriage cert for absolute proof...does anyone know > where else I can find a cert number? Thanks. > Kim > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been searching for info on Dorothy Dwyer b. April 9, 1906 in Brooklyn, NY. She is the daughter of James Dwyer and dorothea Easterby. I found another researcher on Ancestry.com who has a dorothy dwyer with the same birthdate married to a Frank Murphy...this person on Ancestry hasnt answered any of the messages I sent her. I found a Frank Murphy with a wife Dorothy on the 1930 census and Im pretty sure its my dorothy..her mother was born in Denmark. The 1930 Census has them having a child named Frank. It looks like his age is either 10 months or 1 month. The ancestry researcher has a child for them named Patrick. I have been on the IGG website looking for a marriage cert and ordered 2 that I thought might be my Frank but they were the wrong marriage certs. Can anyone help me find a marriage cert number for Frank Murphy and Dorothy Dwyer. They were married between 1920 and 1930...Im guessing closer to 1930. SS death index has a Frank born September 2, 1904 and died Feb. 1981 which matches the info from the ancestry researcher. I found a SS death index for a dorothy Murphy born April 9, 1906 and died December 1988 in Jamaica, Queens, NY. ...ancestry researchers death date is December 23, 1986. Im sure this is my Dorothy but I want to find a marriage cert for absolute proof...does anyone know where else I can find a cert number? Thanks. Kim [email protected]