I cannot thank you all enough. I did get info from everyone but but one sent me the person George Snook. It came off Turcot-Sinden Tree. I had been in touch with a lady years ago whose mother in law was married to George Snook but she did not go my Helen. Lots of mysteries. But thanks to everyone who looked this up for me. I owe you all. Now I will look for George Snook. I think he came from Georgia. Barbara Volkomer Ocala FL

There is no record of a Helen in Syracuse on the 1920 Census. The only record I could find for a Helen Eagan was Helene E living in Albany Ward 9, Albany NY. Father Thomas J, mother Mary C. There is also a Helen Eagan living in Brooklyn AD 10, shown on the census as 4 years old. Father Robert J Mother Margaret and also one in Manhattan AD 14, also 4 years old Father James, Mother Emma. Did not see any others that would have been your Helen.due to age difference would be too great to be a birth in 1917. Found a family in Syracuse in the 1930 census Household Gender Age Parent [1]Leon Egan M 40 Parent [2]Lila Egan F 37 [3]John Egan M 16 Helen Egan F 13 [4]Francis Egan M 10 [5]Marion Egan F 8 [6]Kathleen Egan F 7 Hope this is helpful for you. On 2/28/2012 2:00 AM, [7][email protected] wrote: Today's Topics: 1. 1920 Census Syracuse, Onondaga County NY ([8][email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:37:35 -0500 From: [9][email protected] Subject: [BKLYN] 1920 Census Syracuse, Onondaga County NY To: Brooklyn List [10]<[email protected]> Message-ID: [11]<[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Does anyone have access to this census. I am looking for Helen Egan who was born Jan 23 1917 and married a Vollkommer. I found some info on her SS application but have hit a brick wall. Thanks in advance Barbara Ocala, FL -- John Quigley Chair, USGenWeb Grievance Committee CC Kinney County TX References 1. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4RV-1XH 2. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4RV-1XC 3. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4RV-1XZ 4. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4RV-1XD 5. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4RV-1X6 6. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4RV-1XX 7. mailto:[email protected] 8. mailto:[email protected] 9. mailto:[email protected] 10. mailto:[email protected] 11. mailto:[email protected]

Does anyone have access to this census. I am looking for Helen Egan who was born Jan 23 1917 and married a Vollkommer. I found some info on her SS application but have hit a brick wall. Thanks in advance Barbara Ocala, FL

My mother was born in New York City in 1892 of German immigrant parents. Although my grandparents spoke broken English, my mother was fluent in both languages, indicating that German was apparently spoken at home. When I once asked my mother to teach me German, her reply was that I was American and I was to speak English! Hoping to study German in high school (where it had been taught), I was disappointed to learn that German had been discontinued several years before I entered high school in 1944. In the small town on Long Island where I grew up, a large percentage of the population was of German descent; however, anti-German sentiment seemingly existed well into World War II. Dorothy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J A Herbert Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:52 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKLYN] German Traces site My German ancestors lived in the Bronx during WWI. The Bronx had a high proportion of Germans, and even when my German ancestors first immigrated and settled in the Bronx in the 1850s, there were many Germans there. One g-g-gf owned two German taverns in the Bronx. I remember my grandfather often telling me, when I got him to discuss family history, that this same grandfather of his, forbade his family to speak German in the home. I wish now, that I had asked him for more specifics - like, whether or not that was always the case, or whether something (like the war), caused him to forbid them to speak German, or whether he just felt that they all needed to assimilate and speaking the native tongue would only slow that process. Whatever my g-g-gf's reason, my grandfather spoke German pretty darned well, for being the 2nd generation born here. I don't know whether the family spoke it when his grandfather wasn't around to hear, or whether my grandfather picked it up in the German taverns that his father then took over, in the 19-teens. Judy H -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 9:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKLYN] German Traces site I was born in Brooklyn, to parents of German heritage. I have not seen much about German-Americans in Brooklyn on this list. The photos of stores and other buildings on the site are very interesting, but it seems that much of the German-American experience in Brooklyn has been "air-brushed" out -- perhaps it will be added later? For example, the following: "Over the years, however, the community assimilated and dispersed, but not before it left an indelible mark on the city. Since that time, New York has been built up and torn down, both by design and by tragedy, but if you look close enough, you can still find traces of the German immigrant experience hiding throughout the city's corridors." No mention of the anti-German hysteria and violent acts against German-Americans in Brooklyn in the period preceding WWI! Burning of German-language school and library books, and other attempts to wipe out all things German. My mother (her father from Germany, and her mother, whose parents were from Germany) was born in Bushwick in 1910. She was given poor grades by her teacher, until a visit to the class by her two uncles, who were serving in the US Navy. After that, her grades were high, reflecting her actual school work. Her father, then an American citizen, was arrested, tried, and convicted of being a terrorist, and was sentenced to the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary. Such was the shame that my mother was not told what had happened. Sauerkraut was renamed "liberty cabbage" (Google "liberty cabbage" and you'll come upon American history as is was NOT taught in any school I attended. Here's a sample: " " During World War 1, the persecution of Germans in American society was so pronounced that Germans were forced to abandon their language and customs, at least in public. German books were burned outside numerous libraries, while Beethoven was banned from symphonic repertories. The atmosphere was such that Germans hid the fact they were German and changed their own names-Schmitz to Smith, and so forth. For its part, the public renamed almost every German street and landmark and even altered menus, so that sauerkraut became Liberty Cabbage, and so on." http://www.fff.org/freedom/0995c.asp The New York Times archives of this period reflect some of the emotion of the time, with references to the "dirty huns" and so on. Fold3 (formerly Footnote) also has documents about this period -- I found one in which a friend of the family had been reported as being suspicious, only because he was German, and he was investigated by the authorities. Sort of like what has happened to some Muslims, in the present, is it not? Joan Kappel Altamont, NY ---- [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. great site! German heritage must see ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:10:11 -0500 (EST) > From: [email protected] > Subject: [BKLYN] great site! German heritage must see > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In the Daily News today. The site is German Trace NY. > > You can trace by > 1. Layar Augmented Reality on your phone 2. Mobile Web 3. Desktop web > > There's also a German Trace Map, with all the areas as pushpins where > you read the description and then can go to an interactive photo that > you click on to hear the history. Very interesting. > > Here's the website description > > > German Traces NYC is mobile, augmented reality experience designed to > let learners explore German cultural heritage in New York City. The > application makes use of archival documents, photographs, and > multimedia narratives to bring to life to this significant thread of > New York City and United States history. > _http://www.germantracesnyc.org/about.php_ > (http://www.germantracesnyc.org/about.php) > > > Have fun exploring > > Nancy > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYBROOKLYN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the NYBROOKLYN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYBROOKLYN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 36 > ***************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My German ancestors lived in the Bronx during WWI. The Bronx had a high proportion of Germans, and even when my German ancestors first immigrated and settled in the Bronx in the 1850s, there were many Germans there. One g-g-gf owned two German taverns in the Bronx. I remember my grandfather often telling me, when I got him to discuss family history, that this same grandfather of his, forbade his family to speak German in the home. I wish now, that I had asked him for more specifics - like, whether or not that was always the case, or whether something (like the war), caused him to forbid them to speak German, or whether he just felt that they all needed to assimilate and speaking the native tongue would only slow that process. Whatever my g-g-gf's reason, my grandfather spoke German pretty darned well, for being the 2nd generation born here. I don't know whether the family spoke it when his grandfather wasn't around to hear, or whether my grandfather picked it up in the German taverns that his father then took over, in the 19-teens. Judy H -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 9:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKLYN] German Traces site I was born in Brooklyn, to parents of German heritage. I have not seen much about German-Americans in Brooklyn on this list. The photos of stores and other buildings on the site are very interesting, but it seems that much of the German-American experience in Brooklyn has been "air-brushed" out -- perhaps it will be added later? For example, the following: "Over the years, however, the community assimilated and dispersed, but not before it left an indelible mark on the city. Since that time, New York has been built up and torn down, both by design and by tragedy, but if you look close enough, you can still find traces of the German immigrant experience hiding throughout the city’s corridors." No mention of the anti-German hysteria and violent acts against German-Americans in Brooklyn in the period preceding WWI! Burning of German-language school and library books, and other attempts to wipe out all things German. My mother (her father from Germany, and her mother, whose parents were from Germany) was born in Bushwick in 1910. She was given poor grades by her teacher, until a visit to the class by her two uncles, who were serving in the US Navy. After that, her grades were high, reflecting her actual school work. Her father, then an American citizen, was arrested, tried, and convicted of being a terrorist, and was sentenced to the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary. Such was the shame that my mother was not told what had happened. Sauerkraut was renamed "liberty cabbage" (Google "liberty cabbage" and you'll come upon American history as is was NOT taught in any school I attended. Here's a sample: " " During World War 1, the persecution of Germans in American society was so pronounced that Germans were forced to abandon their language and customs, at least in public. German books were burned outside numerous libraries, while Beethoven was banned from symphonic repertories. The atmosphere was such that Germans hid the fact they were German and changed their own names-Schmitz to Smith, and so forth. For its part, the public renamed almost every German street and landmark and even altered menus, so that sauerkraut became Liberty Cabbage, and so on." http://www.fff.org/freedom/0995c.asp The New York Times archives of this period reflect some of the emotion of the time, with references to the "dirty huns" and so on. Fold3 (formerly Footnote) also has documents about this period -- I found one in which a friend of the family had been reported as being suspicious, only because he was German, and he was investigated by the authorities. Sort of like what has happened to some Muslims, in the present, is it not? Joan Kappel Altamont, NY ---- [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. great site! German heritage must see ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:10:11 -0500 (EST) > From: [email protected] > Subject: [BKLYN] great site! German heritage must see > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In the Daily News today. The site is German Trace NY. > > You can trace by > 1. Layar Augmented Reality on your phone 2. Mobile Web 3. Desktop web > > There's also a German Trace Map, with all the areas as pushpins where > you read the description and then can go to an interactive photo that > you click on to hear the history. Very interesting. > > Here's the website description > > > German Traces NYC is mobile, augmented reality experience designed to > let learners explore German cultural heritage in New York City. The > application makes use of archival documents, photographs, and > multimedia narratives to bring to life to this significant thread of > New York City and United States history. > _http://www.germantracesnyc.org/about.php_ > (http://www.germantracesnyc.org/about.php) > > > Have fun exploring > > Nancy > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYBROOKLYN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the NYBROOKLYN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYBROOKLYN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 36 > ***************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was born in Brooklyn, to parents of German heritage. I have not seen much about German-Americans in Brooklyn on this list. The photos of stores and other buildings on the site are very interesting, but it seems that much of the German-American experience in Brooklyn has been "air-brushed" out -- perhaps it will be added later? For example, the following: "Over the years, however, the community assimilated and dispersed, but not before it left an indelible mark on the city. Since that time, New York has been built up and torn down, both by design and by tragedy, but if you look close enough, you can still find traces of the German immigrant experience hiding throughout the city’s corridors." No mention of the anti-German hysteria and violent acts against German-Americans in Brooklyn in the period preceding WWI! Burning of German-language school and library books, and other attempts to wipe out all things German. My mother (her father from Germany, and her mother, whose parents were from Germany) was born in Bushwick in 1910. She was given poor grades by her teacher, until a visit to the class by her two uncles, who were serving in the US Navy. After that, her grades were high, reflecting her actual school work. Her father, then an American citizen, was arrested, tried, and convicted of being a terrorist, and was sentenced to the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary. Such was the shame that my mother was not told what had happened. Sauerkraut was renamed "liberty cabbage" (Google "liberty cabbage" and you'll come upon American history as is was NOT taught in any school I attended. Here's a sample: " " During World War 1, the persecution of Germans in American society was so pronounced that Germans were forced to abandon their language and customs, at least in public. German books were burned outside numerous libraries, while Beethoven was banned from symphonic repertories. The atmosphere was such that Germans hid the fact they were German and changed their own names-Schmitz to Smith, and so forth. For its part, the public renamed almost every German street and landmark and even altered menus, so that sauerkraut became Liberty Cabbage, and so on." http://www.fff.org/freedom/0995c.asp The New York Times archives of this period reflect some of the emotion of the time, with references to the "dirty huns" and so on. Fold3 (formerly Footnote) also has documents about this period -- I found one in which a friend of the family had been reported as being suspicious, only because he was German, and he was investigated by the authorities. Sort of like what has happened to some Muslims, in the present, is it not? Joan Kappel Altamont, NY ---- [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. great site! German heritage must see ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:10:11 -0500 (EST) > From: [email protected] > Subject: [BKLYN] great site! German heritage must see > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In the Daily News today. The site is German Trace NY. > > You can trace by > 1. Layar Augmented Reality on your phone > 2. Mobile Web > 3. Desktop web > > There's also a German Trace Map, with all the areas as pushpins where you > read the description and then can go to an interactive photo that you click > on to hear the history. Very interesting. > > Here's the website description > > > German Traces NYC is mobile, augmented reality experience designed to let > learners explore German cultural heritage in New York City. The application > makes use of archival documents, photographs, and multimedia narratives to > bring to life to this significant thread of New York City and United States > history. > _http://www.germantracesnyc.org/about.php_ > (http://www.germantracesnyc.org/about.php) > > > Have fun exploring > > Nancy > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYBROOKLYN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the NYBROOKLYN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYBROOKLYN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 36 > *****************************************

In the Daily News today. The site is German Trace NY. You can trace by 1. Layar Augmented Reality on your phone 2. Mobile Web 3. Desktop web There's also a German Trace Map, with all the areas as pushpins where you read the description and then can go to an interactive photo that you click on to hear the history. Very interesting. Here's the website description German Traces NYC is mobile, augmented reality experience designed to let learners explore German cultural heritage in New York City. The application makes use of archival documents, photographs, and multimedia narratives to bring to life to this significant thread of New York City and United States history. _http://www.germantracesnyc.org/about.php_ (http://www.germantracesnyc.org/about.php) Have fun exploring Nancy

I have volunteered the FHL for many years, and they are gradually moving the ordering process away from the individual FHLs. In my locale, patrons are now ordering directly from the Familysearch.org website, and only need to set up a login account and provide a valid email address. T Then, they order with a credit card or debit card, just as you would for any online purchase. This has taken the burden off of the local FHLs to handle the money and send the orders to SLC. Personally, I find the process to be faster under the new method, because my orders can hit SLC as soon as I order them online. Additionally, Salt Lake is sending films to a number of the many, larger historical societies that have film readers, as well as some major libraries. Thus, patrons may have a choice of where the films are sent for their viewing, in their area. While the prices have increased to rent the films (as of Feb. 15th), the short-term rentals are now at the facility you designate, longer that short-term loans were in the past. My FHL used to keep the films 30 days for $5.50, and now keep them 90 days for the new, $7.50 price. You can read about the need to increase the price at the familysearch.org website. Judy H. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:39 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKLYN] [NYNEWYOR] LDS price increase FYI A friend fowarded this to me via the Suffolk County, NY Library system, a credible source. Barb Metro NYC Researcher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: [Reference-discussion] Family History Center Microfilm Orders > To: [email protected] > The Family History Center has changed the microfilm order process.Patrons will now be required to pay the Family History Center directly. We have replaced the online form with detailed instructions for you and your patrons. Going forward your patrons will not receive emailed invoices generated through PayPal. They must make payment using a credit card or PayPal account directly to Family History Center. Also note that the price per reel has gone up to $7.50. Please visit: http://www.live-brary.com/request/familyhistorycenterfor detailed instructions. If you have any questions please don’t hesitate to contact us. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FYI A friend fowarded this to me via the Suffolk County, NY Library system, a credible source. Barb Metro NYC Researcher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: [Reference-discussion] Family History Center Microfilm Orders > To: [email protected] > The Family History Center has changed the microfilm order process.Patrons will now be required to pay the Family History Center directly. We have replaced the online form with detailed instructions for you and your patrons. Going forward your patrons will not receive emailed invoices generated through PayPal. They must make payment using a credit card or PayPal account directly to Family History Center. Also note that the price per reel has gone up to $7.50. Please visit: http://www.live-brary.com/request/familyhistorycenterfor detailed instructions. If you have any questions please don’t hesitate to contact us.

Hi Kim, Thanks for mentioning the sites you already checked! If you haven't subscribed to Rootsweb for CT. (or specific counties) yet, why not give that a try and see if anyone can help you that way. All of us on the Brooklyn and NYC list know about the "can't do without" sites... _www.stevemorse.org_ (http://www.stevemorse.org) , the Bklyn Info Pages, Brooklyn Eagle newspaper, and the IGG/GGG sites for NYC area info, but maybe CT. has similar important sites. One other thought... check out _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) for the following: 1. CT. Deaths & Burials - 1772-1934 2. New York, Kings County Estate Files, 1866-1923 Good luck with your search. Kathleen~CT. From: "Kim Formica" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:17 PM Subject: [BKLYN] Looking for help I am interested in finding a missing death record. John Joseph NOLAN was a singer sewing machine salesman who lived in Brooklyn, but would travel to CT to sell the machines. Sometime between 1885-1890, he had a terrible accident with his horse and was badly injured. We don't know if he died in CT or was brought back to NY to die. There doesn't appear to be a death record in any of the boroughs. We also cannot find a place of burial. I have searched through Brooklyn Eagle online, Fulton history and NYTimes archives to see if there articles relating to the accident. He was married and had 4 children. They all remained in Brooklyn and we know what became of all of them. Any suggestions on how to locate this?

Dear Listers I received the following letter. I'm NOT the person for the job BUT if you are interested give him a reply. Nancy Please mention you are from the Brooklyn list. please respond ONLY if you are serious and can help him. Nancy ____________________________________ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 2/19/2012 8:54:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: New York Herald Greetings from the Foothills of North Carolina. I am editing the letters of Dr. John F. Fries a 1960 graduate from Jefferson Medical College in Philadelphia. In an 1859 letter there is a mention of students leaving the medical college. Thus, I would like to have copies of the newspaper articles. I need a contact person who can look up and provide copies of a couple of articles in the New York Herald. * New York Herald – December 21, 1859 – ‘”Another Effect of the ‘ Irrepressible Conflict’: Southern Students Quitting Philadelphia” location in paper unknown * New York Herald – December 22, 1859 – “The Stampede at Philadelphia” location in paper unknown I understand there may be a fee and am will to compensate for this the results of the search. Thanking you in advance for your help in this matter. Johnnie Pearson

There's a death cert for John Nolan, age 35, April 16 1890 Kings County Cert #5872 Sheila Santa Barbara CA

I have someone in Chicago whose grandson was told that his grandfather At a holdup at his jewelry store. Actually, he was assassinated by the mob in Chicago. Diane -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:58 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKLYN] NYBROOKLYN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 32 Kim, The Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 16 April 1890, reported that John Nolan had died of a fractured skull suffered a few days earlier when he fell off the steps of his home on Bedford Avenue. The name and time frame fit. And the fact that he died after an accident. Sometimes family stories are just that--stories. They change over time, like in the game of telephone. Of course, without additional details about your John Nolan, it is impossible to say that this man is your ancestor. But you might consider researching it, especially because you have found no information validating the story about the fall from a horse. My grandfather once told me that his uncle, a priest, may have been a martyr for the church in Mexico. But further research showed that he died after an operation to remove his gallbladder! Best wishes, Patricia Phelan Member, Assn. of Professional Genealogists www.tomphelan.net -----Original Message----- From: nybrooklyn-request <[email protected]> To: nybrooklyn <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Feb 19, 2012 3:27 am Subject: NYBROOKLYN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 32 Today's Topics: 1. Looking for help (Kim Formica) 2. Re: Looking for help (Bill Pfeifer) 3. Re: Looking for help NOLAN (Kim Formica) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:17:58 -0500 rom: Kim Formica <> ubject: [BKLYN] Looking for help o: [email protected] essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am interested in finding a missing death record. John Joseph NOLAN was a inger sewing machine salesman who lived in Brooklyn, but would travel to CT o sell the machines. Sometime between 1885-1890, he had a terrible ccident with his horse and was badly injured. We don't know if he died in T or was brought back to NY to die. There doesn't appear to be a death ecord in any of the boroughs. We also cannot find a place of burial. I ave searched through Brooklyn Eagle online, Fulton history and NYTimes rchives to see if there articles relating to the accident. He was married nd had 4 children. They all remained in Brooklyn and we know what became f all of them. Any suggestions on how to locate this? Thanks, Kim in Orange, CT ------------------------------ Message: 2 ate: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:10:25 -0500 rom: "Bill Pfeifer" <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [BKLYN] Looking for help o: "Kim Formica" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original To help you better as we try, it would help to have his birthdate, place of irth, wife's maiden name and children's names, along with ages. Bill ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Kim Formica" <[email protected]> o: <[email protected]> ent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:17 PM ubject: [BKLYN] Looking for help I am interested in finding a missing death record. John Joseph NOLAN was a singer sewing machine salesman who lived in Brooklyn, but would travel to CT to sell the machines. Sometime between 1885-1890, he had a terrible accident with his horse and was badly injured. We don't know if he died in CT or was brought back to NY to die. There doesn't appear to be a death record in any of the boroughs. We also cannot find a place of burial. I have searched through Brooklyn Eagle online, Fulton history and NYTimes archives to see if there articles relating to the accident. He was married and had 4 children. They all remained in Brooklyn and we know what became of all of them. Any suggestions on how to locate this? Thanks, Kim in Orange, CT ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 ate: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:57:27 -0500 rom: Kim Formica <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [BKLYN] Looking for help NOLAN o: "'Bill Pfeifer'" <[email protected]>, [email protected] essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John Joseph Nolan was married to Catherine Mary Normoyle. John was born Feb. , 1846 in Kilkenny. John married Catherine in NY and lived in Brooklyn ith with their four children: John, James, Anna, and Catherine (known ater as Ruth). All the children were born in Brooklyn. -----Original Message----- rom: Bill Pfeifer [mailto:[email protected]] ent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 3:10 PM o: Kim Formica; [email protected] ubject: Re: [BKLYN] Looking for help To help you better as we try, it would help to have his birthdate, place of irth, wife's maiden name and children's names, along with ages. Bill ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Kim Formica" <[email protected]> o: <[email protected]> ent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:17 PM ubject: [BKLYN] Looking for help I am interested in finding a missing death record. John Joseph NOLAN was a singer sewing machine salesman who lived in Brooklyn, but would travel to CT to sell the machines. Sometime between 1885-1890, he had a terrible accident with his horse and was badly injured. We don't know if he died in CT or was brought back to NY to die. There doesn't appear to be a death record in any of the boroughs. We also cannot find a place of burial. I have searched through Brooklyn Eagle online, Fulton history and NYTimes archives to see if there articles relating to the accident. He was married and had 4 children. They all remained in Brooklyn and we know what became of all of them. Any suggestions on how to locate this? 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Kim, The Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 16 April 1890, reported that John Nolan had died of a fractured skull suffered a few days earlier when he fell off the steps of his home on Bedford Avenue. The name and time frame fit. And the fact that he died after an accident. Sometimes family stories are just that--stories. They change over time, like in the game of telephone. Of course, without additional details about your John Nolan, it is impossible to say that this man is your ancestor. But you might consider researching it, especially because you have found no information validating the story about the fall from a horse. My grandfather once told me that his uncle, a priest, may have been a martyr for the church in Mexico. But further research showed that he died after an operation to remove his gallbladder! Best wishes, Patricia Phelan Member, Assn. of Professional Genealogists www.tomphelan.net -----Original Message----- From: nybrooklyn-request <[email protected]> To: nybrooklyn <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Feb 19, 2012 3:27 am Subject: NYBROOKLYN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 32 Today's Topics: 1. Looking for help (Kim Formica) 2. Re: Looking for help (Bill Pfeifer) 3. Re: Looking for help NOLAN (Kim Formica) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:17:58 -0500 rom: Kim Formica <> ubject: [BKLYN] Looking for help o: [email protected] essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am interested in finding a missing death record. John Joseph NOLAN was a inger sewing machine salesman who lived in Brooklyn, but would travel to CT o sell the machines. Sometime between 1885-1890, he had a terrible ccident with his horse and was badly injured. We don't know if he died in T or was brought back to NY to die. There doesn't appear to be a death ecord in any of the boroughs. We also cannot find a place of burial. I ave searched through Brooklyn Eagle online, Fulton history and NYTimes rchives to see if there articles relating to the accident. He was married nd had 4 children. They all remained in Brooklyn and we know what became f all of them. Any suggestions on how to locate this? Thanks, Kim in Orange, CT ------------------------------ Message: 2 ate: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:10:25 -0500 rom: "Bill Pfeifer" <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [BKLYN] Looking for help o: "Kim Formica" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original To help you better as we try, it would help to have his birthdate, place of irth, wife's maiden name and children's names, along with ages. Bill ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Kim Formica" <[email protected]> o: <[email protected]> ent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:17 PM ubject: [BKLYN] Looking for help I am interested in finding a missing death record. John Joseph NOLAN was a singer sewing machine salesman who lived in Brooklyn, but would travel to CT to sell the machines. Sometime between 1885-1890, he had a terrible accident with his horse and was badly injured. We don't know if he died in CT or was brought back to NY to die. There doesn't appear to be a death record in any of the boroughs. We also cannot find a place of burial. I have searched through Brooklyn Eagle online, Fulton history and NYTimes archives to see if there articles relating to the accident. He was married and had 4 children. They all remained in Brooklyn and we know what became of all of them. Any suggestions on how to locate this? Thanks, Kim in Orange, CT ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 ate: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:57:27 -0500 rom: Kim Formica <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [BKLYN] Looking for help NOLAN o: "'Bill Pfeifer'" <[email protected]>, [email protected] essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John Joseph Nolan was married to Catherine Mary Normoyle. John was born Feb. , 1846 in Kilkenny. John married Catherine in NY and lived in Brooklyn ith with their four children: John, James, Anna, and Catherine (known ater as Ruth). All the children were born in Brooklyn. -----Original Message----- rom: Bill Pfeifer [mailto:[email protected]] ent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 3:10 PM o: Kim Formica; [email protected] ubject: Re: [BKLYN] Looking for help To help you better as we try, it would help to have his birthdate, place of irth, wife's maiden name and children's names, along with ages. Bill ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Kim Formica" <[email protected]> o: <[email protected]> ent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:17 PM ubject: [BKLYN] Looking for help I am interested in finding a missing death record. John Joseph NOLAN was a singer sewing machine salesman who lived in Brooklyn, but would travel to CT to sell the machines. Sometime between 1885-1890, he had a terrible accident with his horse and was badly injured. We don't know if he died in CT or was brought back to NY to die. There doesn't appear to be a death record in any of the boroughs. We also cannot find a place of burial. I have searched through Brooklyn Eagle online, Fulton history and NYTimes archives to see if there articles relating to the accident. He was married and had 4 children. They all remained in Brooklyn and we know what became of all of them. Any suggestions on how to locate this? 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John Joseph Nolan was married to Catherine Mary Normoyle. John was born Feb. 1, 1846 in Kilkenny. John married Catherine in NY and lived in Brooklyn with with their four children: John, James, Anna, and Catherine (known later as Ruth). All the children were born in Brooklyn. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Pfeifer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 3:10 PM To: Kim Formica; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKLYN] Looking for help To help you better as we try, it would help to have his birthdate, place of birth, wife's maiden name and children's names, along with ages. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Formica" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:17 PM Subject: [BKLYN] Looking for help >I am interested in finding a missing death record. John Joseph NOLAN was a > singer sewing machine salesman who lived in Brooklyn, but would travel to > CT > to sell the machines. Sometime between 1885-1890, he had a terrible > accident with his horse and was badly injured. We don't know if he died > in > CT or was brought back to NY to die. There doesn't appear to be a death > record in any of the boroughs. We also cannot find a place of burial. I > have searched through Brooklyn Eagle online, Fulton history and NYTimes > archives to see if there articles relating to the accident. He was > married > and had 4 children. They all remained in Brooklyn and we know what became > of all of them. Any suggestions on how to locate this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kim in Orange, CT > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To help you better as we try, it would help to have his birthdate, place of birth, wife's maiden name and children's names, along with ages. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Formica" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:17 PM Subject: [BKLYN] Looking for help >I am interested in finding a missing death record. John Joseph NOLAN was a > singer sewing machine salesman who lived in Brooklyn, but would travel to > CT > to sell the machines. Sometime between 1885-1890, he had a terrible > accident with his horse and was badly injured. We don't know if he died > in > CT or was brought back to NY to die. There doesn't appear to be a death > record in any of the boroughs. We also cannot find a place of burial. I > have searched through Brooklyn Eagle online, Fulton history and NYTimes > archives to see if there articles relating to the accident. He was > married > and had 4 children. They all remained in Brooklyn and we know what became > of all of them. Any suggestions on how to locate this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kim in Orange, CT > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am interested in finding a missing death record. John Joseph NOLAN was a singer sewing machine salesman who lived in Brooklyn, but would travel to CT to sell the machines. Sometime between 1885-1890, he had a terrible accident with his horse and was badly injured. We don't know if he died in CT or was brought back to NY to die. There doesn't appear to be a death record in any of the boroughs. We also cannot find a place of burial. I have searched through Brooklyn Eagle online, Fulton history and NYTimes archives to see if there articles relating to the accident. He was married and had 4 children. They all remained in Brooklyn and we know what became of all of them. Any suggestions on how to locate this? Thanks, Kim in Orange, CT

I get so many; I don't remember.  I haven't received any from this list in the last 2 days, at least.  Perhaps there isn't anything going on at the moment.  Some lists go weeks with no activity. Jeanne ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: J Johnson <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [BKLYN] test But have you received others in the past week or so?  I have not, except for you and one other person that responded to my "test" message.  My test message appeared in the list archives, which also reflects the lack of messages recently. ---- J Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > I had no problem getting your message. Jeanne ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:45 PM Subject: [BKLYN] test Is there a problem?  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My gt gt grandfather Edward Owen/Owens (He used both spellings)emigrated from Mold,Wales via Manchester, England. His father George, moved his family from Wales in mid-1800's. Edward and his wife Matilda emigrated in the late 1870's to Greenpoint, Brooklyn. They had twins (George and William ) who were born and died in 1887. I cannot find the birth info or the death info for these children. Thanks for all help. Ghyll

FYI---List includes names of many business and residents of Lower Manhattan, with their street addresses. Too many to include in an email. ======================================== The New York TImes New-York, March 3, 1860. CLEANING THE CITY STREETS.; MEMORIAL OF THE TAX-PAYERS IN BEHALF OF MR. SMITH AND HIS MACHINES. To the Honorable the Mayor and Commonalty of New-York City: We the undersigned, citizens, tax-payers and residents of this City, understanding that the Mayor Comptroller and City Inspector, with, as we believe, a desire to introduce a system of street cleaning into New-York more adapted to its wants and requirements than the present inefficient and extravagant one, have employed the proprietor of the street-sweeping machines to clean the streets, respectfully request your honorable body to give Mr. SMITH's plan of doing this work a fair trial, believing that the success of the enterprise will add largely to the health, comfort and prosperity of our metropolis, and eventually prove a saving to tax-payers. VIEW business and individual names of signers, here> http://www.nytimes.com/1860/03/06/news/cleaning-city-streets-memorial-tax-pa yers-behalf-mr-smith-his-machines.html?scp=2&sq=Phineas+VARICK&st=p