Dear John, If by "look up" you mean view before purchasing, after 1929, the answer is no. The NYC Municipal Archives has marriage certificate ending in 1929. To obtain a marriage certificate from 1930 to the present, go to, the New York City Clerk's website, then click on Marriage Bureau> http://www.cityclerk.nyc.gov/html/home/home.shtml Barb Metro NYC Researcher ============== > Could someone tell me if it possible to look up marriage in New York City > after 1937. All the information I can find says there is no requirement to > register marriages after 1937. > > Thanks for any information. > > John McGreal > Beaver, PA >

Here are the New files in IGP in the last two weeks: DONEGAL Genealogy Archives - Military & Constabulary Royal Irish Constabulary with native county of Donegal 1846 (update) www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/donegal/military.htm DOWN Genealogy Archives - Photos Saint Patrick grave, Down Cathedral www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/down/photos.htm DOWN Genealogy Archives - Military and Constabulary Royal Irish Constabulary with native county of Down 1846 (update) www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/down/military.htm DUBLIN Genealogy Archives - Headstones Glasnevin Cemetery, part 11 http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/glasnevin-ndx.htm FERMANAGH Genealogy Archives - Military Records Royal Irish Constabulary with native county of Fermanagh 1846 (update) www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/military.htm FERMANAGH Genealogy Archives - Miscellaneous Freeholders Registered to Vote 1747-1768 www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/misc.htm KERRY Genealogy Archives - Military & Constabulary Records Royal Irish Constabulary with native county of Kerry 1846 (update) www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/kerry/military.htm KILDARE Genealogy Archives - Military Records Royal Irish Constabulary with native county of Kildare 1846 (update) www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/kildare/military.htm LEITRIM Genealogy Archives Drumsna Historic Graveyard (partial) Rosinver New Cemetery Rosinver Old Cemetery www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/leitrim/photos/tombstones/markers.htm MAYO Genealogy Archives Bushfield (R.C.) Cemetery www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/mayo/photos/tombstones/markers.htm MEATH Genealogy Archives - Headstones - St Loman's, Trim St Loman's, Trim http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/meath/photos/tombstones/st-loman-ndx.htm ROSCOMMON Genealogy Archives - Headstones Croghan, Estersnow Cemetery www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/roscommon/photos/tombstones/markers.htm SLIGO Genealogy Archives - Headstones Achonry Church Graveyard Collooney; St. Paul's (CoI) Church graveyard Easkey; Abbey Graveyard Easkey (R.C.) Church Easkey; St Anne's (CoI) Graveyard Roslea Cemetery- Mostly R.C. www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/sligo/photos/tombstones/markers.htm TIPPERARY Genealogy Archives - Headstones Moycarkey Graveyard (additional) www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos/tombstones/markers.htm WEXFORD Genealogy Archives Extracts from Old Parish Registers - Fethard www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wexford/church.htm WICKLOW Genealogy Archives - Church Baptisms At Rathdrum C.of I. 1825-1841 - CLARE Derralossary Assorted Baptisms, EDGE, LONG, GILBERT, BELTON, HORAN, HATTON Asst. Marriages Derralossary, HATTON, GILCHRIST, TYNDALL BELTON & others Asst. Marriages from Kiltegan C of I. 1881 - 1914 Assorted Derralossary Burials, HATTON, GILCHRIST, BELTON & others www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/church.htm WICKLOW Headstone Index Kilquade Cemetery, Pt. 2 (update) www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/photos/tombstones/markers.htm -- Thanks! Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ ===============================

Thank you so very much, Pat! It wasn't showing due to the name listed as Worbry on Ancestry! The importance of good transcribers!! :) On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:10 AM, pat <[email protected]> wrote: > Here is the Waxberg family in 1920... > Patricia Phelan > > Freeport, NY > > Member, Assn. of Professional Genealogists > > > 1920 United States Federal Census <http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=6061&enc=1> > about Benjamin Worbry > Name:Benjamin Worbry > [Kentamin Worby] > [Benjamin Watberg] Age:5Birth Year:abt 1915Birthplace:New YorkHome in 1920:Richmond Assembly District 2, Richmond, New YorkRace:WhiteGender:MaleRelation to Head of House:SonMarital Status:SingleFather's Name:Harold WorbryFather's Birthplace:AustriaMother's name:Minnie WorbryMother's Birthplace:RussiaAble to read:NoAble to Write:NoNeighbors:View others on page <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcen&sin=C0000006&siv=4442065_00124> Household Members:NameAgeHarold Worbry <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcen&indiv=try&h=110683666>38Minnie Worbry <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcen&indiv=try&h=110683667>35Benjamin Worbry <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcen&indiv=try&h=110683668>5Frances Worbry <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcen&indiv=try&h=110683669>0 > [9/12] > > <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6061&iid=4442065_00124&fn=Benjamin&ln=Worbry&st=r&ssrc=&pid=110683668> > <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6061&iid=4442065_00124&fn=Benjamin&ln=Worbry&st=r&ssrc=&pid=110683668>------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:49:03 -0400 > From: Susan <[email protected]> > Subject: [BKLYN] need help finding 1920 listing in Staten Island - > have address > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'm researching my stepsons' family and I've located them in the 1915 and > the 1925 census, but for some reason cannot locate on the 1920 census. > They lived at the same address, but I can't figure out what ED to check. > Steve Morse's site only converts 1920 to 1930. If anyone can help, here's > the info: > > 1372 NY Ave (in 1915)/1372 Bay Street (in 1925/30/40) Richmond, NY - > assuming the street changed names. > > Waxberg, Harry b.1881 Poland > Mendolwitz-Waxberg, Minnie b. 1886 Russia > Waxberg, Benjamin b. 1914 NY > Waxberg, Frances b. 1919 NY (she's still living -- I'm trying to compile > documents for the kids to give her) > > In 1915 the address is listed as AD 1 / ED 37 > In 1925 the address is listed as AD 2 / ED 5 > > Any help will be most appreciated! > > Thanks, > Sue > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYBROOKLYN list administrator, send an email [email protected] > > To post a message to the NYBROOKLYN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYBROOKLYN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 108 > ****************************************** > >

The U.S. Department of Social Security states on their website that they will forward mail to those with Social Security numbers, who are alive. They use the person's SSN to track them through employment. In this instance, someone born in 1908, is probably deceased, but she still should have had her own Social Security number after 1953. Collect her birth, baptismal, and marriage certificates, names of her parents, places of all these vital records replated to her. Then, I recommend going in person to a Social Security Office, and show them everything you have. At least they can give you her last known surname, and date and place of death. I once had to go there to correct a record, as my long deceased grandmother's surnames, maiden and married, were reversed. Barb Metro NYC Researcher ==================== [email protected] writes: > Hi Everyone, > I am still trying different ways to find a death record for my > grandmother. She divorced my grandfather in 1953 and was not heard from by any of her > kids ever again. Since she was only 45 years old then and I am not able to > find her by her maiden name or her married name, I am assuming she > remarried. She divorced in FL. and apparently was living in Jacksonville at that > time. I believe she made trips back and forth to NY, since she had family > there. > I have tried MANY ways to find her, but I have had no success. I've tried > doing a first name only with her d.o.b. without any success. I know I have > to look for a few years prior and a few years past her birth year, but I > wondered if also I should look for d.o.b. with different months and days. So > her d.o.b. is 28 Jul 1908, should I look for dates other than Jul 28th? I > have looked for this date with 1907, 1906, 1909, 1910. > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Liz

Here is the Waxberg family in 1920... Patricia Phelan Freeport, NY Member, Assn. of Professional Genealogists 1920 United States Federal Census about Benjamin Worbry Name: Benjamin Worbry [Kentamin Worby] [Benjamin Watberg] Age: 5 Birth Year: abt 1915 Birthplace: New York Home in 1920: Richmond Assembly District 2, Richmond, New York Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Son Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Harold Worbry Father's Birthplace: Austria Mother's name: Minnie Worbry Mother's Birthplace: Russia Able to read: No Able to Write: No Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Harold Worbry 38 Minnie Worbry 35 Benjamin Worbry 5 Frances Worbry 0 [9/12] ------------------------------ Message: 5 ate: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:49:03 -0400 rom: Susan <[email protected]> ubject: [BKLYN] need help finding 1920 listing in Staten Island - have address o: [email protected], [email protected] essage-ID: <[email protected]om> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm researching my stepsons' family and I've located them in the 1915 and he 1925 census, but for some reason cannot locate on the 1920 census. hey lived at the same address, but I can't figure out what ED to check. teve Morse's site only converts 1920 to 1930. If anyone can help, here's he info: 1372 NY Ave (in 1915)/1372 Bay Street (in 1925/30/40) Richmond, NY - ssuming the street changed names. Waxberg, Harry b.1881 Poland endolwitz-Waxberg, Minnie b. 1886 Russia axberg, Benjamin b. 1914 NY axberg, Frances b. 1919 NY (she's still living -- I'm trying to compile ocuments for the kids to give her) In 1915 the address is listed as AD 1 / ED 37 n 1925 the address is listed as AD 2 / ED 5 Any help will be most appreciated! Thanks, ue ----------------------------- To contact the NYBROOKLYN list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the NYBROOKLYN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of he mail with no additional text. nd of NYBROOKLYN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 108 *****************************************

Liz, Have you thought about trying to find a marriage license for a possible second marriage? Do you have the divorce decree from 1953? I would try to find her in records closer to the time of the divorce. Knowing her surname at the time she died would make finding a death record easier! Did she stay in Jacksonville? It seems unlikely since none of her children ever heard from her again. Where did she live? Have you searched phone books? Do you know where she died? Is her given name unusual enough that a search using it and a birth date would be helpful? Have you searched obituaries? Just some thoughts... Denise Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:31:00 -0400 From: Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson <[email protected]> Subject: [BKLYN] Looking for some advice on searching by first name and d.o.b. To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Everyone, I am still trying different ways to find a death record for my grandmother. She divorced my grandfather in 1953 and was not heard from by any of her kids ever again. Since she was only 45 years old then and I am not able to find her by her maiden name or her married name, I am assuming she remarried. She divorced in FL. and apparently was living in Jacksonville at that time. I believe she made trips back and forth to NY, since she had family there. I have tried MANY ways to find her, but I have had no success. I've tried doing a first name only with her d.o.b. without any success. I know I have to look for a few years prior and a few years past her birth year, but I wondered if also I should look for d.o.b. with different months and days. So her d.o.b. is 28 Jul 1908, should I look for dates other than Jul 28th? I have looked for this date with 1907, 1906, 1909, 1910. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Liz

Could someone tell me if it possible to look up marriage in New York City after 1937. All the information I can find says there is no requirement to register marriages after 1937. Thanks for any information. John McGreal Beaver, PA

I'm researching my stepsons' family and I've located them in the 1915 and the 1925 census, but for some reason cannot locate on the 1920 census. They lived at the same address, but I can't figure out what ED to check. Steve Morse's site only converts 1920 to 1930. If anyone can help, here's the info: 1372 NY Ave (in 1915)/1372 Bay Street (in 1925/30/40) Richmond, NY - assuming the street changed names. Waxberg, Harry b.1881 Poland Mendolwitz-Waxberg, Minnie b. 1886 Russia Waxberg, Benjamin b. 1914 NY Waxberg, Frances b. 1919 NY (she's still living -- I'm trying to compile documents for the kids to give her) In 1915 the address is listed as AD 1 / ED 37 In 1925 the address is listed as AD 2 / ED 5 Any help will be most appreciated! Thanks, Sue

Hi Everyone, I am still trying different ways to find a death record for my grandmother. She divorced my grandfather in 1953 and was not heard from by any of her kids ever again. Since she was only 45 years old then and I am not able to find her by her maiden name or her married name, I am assuming she remarried. She divorced in FL. and apparently was living in Jacksonville at that time. I believe she made trips back and forth to NY, since she had family there. I have tried MANY ways to find her, but I have had no success. I've tried doing a first name only with her d.o.b. without any success. I know I have to look for a few years prior and a few years past her birth year, but I wondered if also I should look for d.o.b. with different months and days. So her d.o.b. is 28 Jul 1908, should I look for dates other than Jul 28th? I have looked for this date with 1907, 1906, 1909, 1910. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Liz

Here is a link to over a hundred old NY pictures from the Municipal Archives. The article was printed in the Atlantic June 2012 edition. in the " In Focus with Alan Taylor" section. Street scenes involve crime, business and daily living I found two which were very meaningful to me and I enjoyed them all. Mary in Florida http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/06/more-historic-photos-from-the-nyc-municipal-archives/100318/

In the context of 19th Century occupations in the US, a porter means someone whose job is to look after a building by cleaning it, repairing things etc. Today you might call that job the "super" or superintendant of a building. Often the job was performed in exchange for a free or cheaper apartment. Three of my ancestors were porters in Manhattan and in Brooklyn. My great grandmpther assisted her father, the porter of 13 Broadway, now the Cunard Building, then a hotel, by scrubbing the office floors. Today the term refers to a bag handler at a hotel or a person with a supervisory job on the railroad. Sheila Santa Barbara CA

The general impression people have of the occupation of "porter" is one who carries or lifts things from one place to another. Usually, one thinks of an employee at a hotel, who carries guests' luggage to their rooms. When trains were the major mode of long distance transporation, and had dining cars, sleeping cars etc, the Brother hood of Sleeping Car porters, the first Black union was formed in the 1920s. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term porter can also refer to an "importer of spirits and wines," thus the owner of a tavern. Barb Metro NYC Researcher ======================= [email protected] writes: > > Hi I see that others have in their listed occupation of ancestors > in the 1880 plus as "porter". Does anyone know exactly > what that job was and what it involved? > Doorman? Moving man ? What? > Thanks f a healy > >

Maybe relevant, maybe not. My great-grandfather Andrew Plunkett was a "coal porter" in the busy port of Kingstown (now Dun Laoghaire), Co. Dublin, in the 1880's. That meant he transported coal to and maybe from ships in the port, maybe for fuel, maybe for cargo. He died in 1888 at age 22, two weeks before his daughter, my grandmother, was born. The ascribed cause of death was phthisis, which usually means pulmonary tuberculosis but can also mean some other similar progressive disease. I've wondered if in his case it was a coal-related respiratory disease. For what it's worth. PJ Texas > > Hi I see that others have in their listed occupation of ancestors > in the 1880 plus as "porter". Does anyone know exactly > what that job was and what it involved? > Doorman? Moving man ? What? > Thanks f a healy > >

Hello , I am hoping I can get some suggestions on finding my brick wall - I know this is long but am really hoping someone can please help me. John Reynolds was born in England 1 dec 1837 but I have no idea where. I tend to think it 'may be' in the Yorkshire area where his wife was born. Gertrude Pritchard was born 1854 in Up Norwood, Croydon, Yorkshire. I have all of Gertrudes family information. John immigrated to USA in 1860-68 from England and Gertrude immigrated in 1888 according to 1900 US Census. The only time I have found John is on the 1900 census in Oyster Bay, Nassau, NY with his famiy. I have not found any trace of him other than that. I cant even find the children in school and have checked census for US & England. I have all the information on their girls but not much on Richard.. Richard b: 29 apr, 1891 New York (I heard he was born onship coming from England but have found no proof) Census says he was born New York. Winnifred b: 27 jun, 1897 Brooklyn May b: 29 aug, 1899 Brooklyn On the 1901 England Census Gertrude was at her parents house with May. Where was hubby John, Richard and Winnifred ? Kids could be in school .. but also in 1901 she was on ship with May and Winifred coming from England to PA - obviously to see John as the whole family was on 1900 USA Census at Oyster Bay .. where was Richard - still in school ? At home with John ? Did she pick him up at relative in PA and take all take all the kids to John in Oyster Bay ? On the 1900 US Census it also states that John & Gertrude married 11 years which makes it 1889 ? My Uncle who had the family bible and gave it to his daughter (I have never seen it and daughter says she doesnt have it) said there was a marraige date for John Reynolds in June 30, 1876, which would mean he was probably marrie before Gertrude. I have searched every record I can think of and also marriages and can find none.? I found Gertrude again in Stratford, Ontario, Canada with her children. She is buried in Avondale Cemetery in Canada and Johns name is on the stone but the cemetery says he is not buried there ? I hope someone can please steer me in the right direction as where to go next ? Thankyou kindly for any suggestions or assistance. Joanne

Hi I see that others have in their listed occupation of ancestors in the 1880 plus as "porter". Does anyone know exactly what that job was and what it involved? Doorman? Moving man ? What? Thanks f a healy > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:58:14 -0400 > Subject: [BKLYN] Brooklyn to Canada ? > > Hello , I am hoping I can get some suggestions on finding my brick wall - I know this is long but am really hoping someone can please help me. > > John Reynolds was born in England 1 dec 1837 but I have no idea where. I tend to think it 'may be' in the Yorkshire area where his wife was born. Gertrude Pritchard was born 1854 in Up Norwood, Croydon, Yorkshire. I have all of Gertrudes family information. > > John immigrated to USA in 1860-68 from England and Gertrude immigrated in 1888 according to 1900 US Census. The only time I have found John is on the 1900 census in Oyster Bay, Nassau, NY with his famiy. I have not found any trace of him other than that. I cant even find the children in school and have checked census for US & England. I have all the information on their girls but not much on Richard.. > > Richard b: 29 apr, 1891 New York (I heard he was born onship coming from England but have found no proof) Census says he was born New York. > Winnifred b: 27 jun, 1897 Brooklyn > May b: 29 aug, 1899 Brooklyn > > On the 1901 England Census Gertrude was at her parents house with May. Where was hubby John, Richard and Winnifred ? Kids could be in school .. but also in 1901 she was on ship with May and Winifred coming from England to PA - obviously to see John as the whole family was on 1900 USA Census at Oyster Bay .. where was Richard - still in school ? At home with John ? Did she pick him up at relative in PA and take all take all the kids to John in Oyster Bay ? On the 1900 US Census it also states that John & Gertrude married 11 years which makes it 1889 ? > > My Uncle who had the family bible and gave it to his daughter (I have never seen it and daughter says she doesnt have it) said there was a marraige date for John Reynolds in June 30, 1876, which would mean he was probably marrie before Gertrude. I have searched every record I can think of and also marriages and can find none.? > > I found Gertrude again in Stratford, Ontario, Canada with her children. She is buried in Avondale Cemetery in Canada and Johns name is on the stone but the cemetery says he is not buried there ? > > I hope someone can please steer me in the right direction as where to go next ? Thankyou kindly for any suggestions or assistance. Joanne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: tchris56 <[email protected]> To: NYBROOLYN-L <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Jun 11, 2012 12:33 pm Can anyone tell me if there is a 1905 New York census? I am helping a friend to find her roots and she was told that her great grandfather changed their last name from Johnson to Johnston. Having problems finding her granfather on the census in 1900. His name was George Edward Johnston born in New York, father was born in Sweden and mother born in Canada. George E. Johnston was born in 1886 per census records. Also looking for his obituary, he died in Nov. 1966. Also don't know where he is buried On the census that we can find of him, his wife and children he always lived in Kings county. Any help would be appreciated Thank you, Carol

Exactly! Everything must have documentable sources of proof. Barb Metro NYC Researcher ============== [email protected] writes: > Never assume. >

I would check first at the Italiangen.org website. They have indexes to many vital records for what is now NYC and other nearby records. If you find it in there you can then order the records from LDS. Jamaica is in Queens, and in 1889 Queens was not part of NYC. Brooklyn is a borough name, but was actually the name of a part of what is now the borough, I believe - at any rate, the Borough is Brooklyn, and the County is Kings County. Queens is the same for both. Manhattan is NY County, I believe, and the Bronx I am not sure of. As for Staten Island, they have been Richmond County, and I am not sure the years on that. I believe they are Staten Island now, but not sure. Walter is the expert on all this! I hope he answers and sets us straight. Theresa

Today, NYC includes 5 boroughs (administrative districts of New York City) that are coterminous with 5 counties (political sub-divisions of New York State); and, simultaneously, NYC is also coterminous with 7+ postal cities. But, this wasn't always the case ... Downstate New York State has its own special geography ... where things can be a bit confusing to outsiders as well as to long time residents, and for a full explanation of the idiosyncrasies of the geography and governmental organization of New York City, read on: Beginning on November 1, 1683, the day when the Province of New York created the original 12 counties (Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, Dutchess, Kings, New York, Orange, Queens, Richmond, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester), the City and County of New York included only the Island of Manhattan (and a few small islands in the East River). The first change doesn't come until almost 200 years later, when, in 1873, the City and County of New York annexed the "western" Bronx (all or parts of the Town of Kingsbridge, the Town of West Farms and the Town of Morrisania; or, in other words, the area west of the Bronx River and south of the City of Yonkers) from Westchester County. This annexed area was initially called the "Northern Annex". This was followed in 1895, when the City and County of New York annexed the "eastern" Bronx (most of the Town of Westchester and portions of the Town of Eastchester and the Town of Pelham) and in 1896, when City Island was annexed too, from the Town of Pelham in Westchester County as well. There is a small change on June 15, 1886 when the Lloyd's Neck peninsula is transferred from the Town of Oyster Bay, then in Queens County to the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County. The big change comes in 1898, when the City and County of New York, the City of Brooklyn/Kings County, Richmond County (Staten Island) and the western-quarter of Queens County (the City of Long Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the Rockaway peninsula of the Town of Hempstead) are consolidated into the new New York City. On January 1, 1899, as the eastern three-quarters of Queens secede and form Nassau County, the Rockaway peninsula of the Town of Hempstead remains behind as part of Queens. Then in 1914, the Bronx County separates from New York County. (Thus, for 16 years, from 1898 to 1914, New York City was made up of 5 boroughs, but only 4 counties.) Simultaneous to these changes, in 1851, Kings County consists of 2 cities (Brooklyn and Williamsburgh) and 6 towns (Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend, New Lots and New Utrecht). In 1854, the City of Brooklyn annexes the City of Williamsburgh and the Town of Bushwick (these annexed areas are refererred to as the Eastern District); in 1886, the City of Brooklyn annexes the Town of New Lots; in 1894, the City of Brooklyn annexes the Towns of Flatbush, New Utrecht and Gravesend; and, in 1896, the City of Brooklyn annexes the Town of Flatlands and becomes coterminous with Kings County. Now, to make this even more complicated, the U.S. Postal Service has divided the City of New York into 7+ postal cities: New York (covers Manhattan and the Bronx), Staten Island, Brooklyn (covers most of Brooklyn and parts of northwest and southwest Queens), Long Island City (most of the original Town of Newtown in Queens), Flushing (includes all of the original Town of Flushing and parts of the Town of Newtown in Queens and also part of what was Town of Bushwick in Brooklyn), Jamaica (most of the original Town of Jamaica in Queens and a small area in what was the East New York section of the Town of New Lots in Brooklyn) and Far Rockaway (in Queens). (Additionally, a few small areas in the Bronx are serviced by post offices located in Westchester County and hence have "Westchester" mailing addresses, such as "Yonkers, NY", "Pelham Manor, NY", etc.) Lastly, but not last by any means, New York City is divided into 5 boroughs (city administrative districts) and each of these 5 boroughs are coterminous with one of the 5 vestigial counties (sub-divisions of New York State) as: ......Borough............County ......Manhattan.........New York ......Staten Island.....Richmond ......Brooklyn...........Kings ......the Bronx.........the Bronx ......Queens............Queens In 1974, the Borough of Richmond was renamed Staten Island. A more detailed geography of NYC follows my name. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY The following detailed geography was derived from information in an eMail sent by Nancy Coleman ([email protected]) to "[email protected]" on January 17, 2000. The Bronx County/Borough the only part of NYC that is on the mainland, is a peninsula, north of Manhattan, separated from Manhattan Island by the Spuyten Duyvil Creek and the Harlem River. Also includes North Brother Island, South Brother Island, Riker's Island, City Island, Hart Island, and numerous other small islands in the Long Island Sound. It is bordered to its north by Westchester County. Kings County/Borough of Brooklyn is the westernmost part of Long Island and it is bordered on the northeast by Queens County/Borough and includes many sanctuary islands in Jamaica Bay, to its southeast. It is bordered to its south by the Rockaway Inlet, the Atlantic Ocean, Gravesend Bay, Lower NY Bay, and to its west, Upper New York Bay and the East River. New York County/Borough of Manhattan: is an island, bordered on the West by the Hudson (aka North) River, the east by the East River and the Harlem River, and on the north by the Spuyten Duyvil Creek and the Harlem River. Also includes Roosevelt Island, Governors Island, and Randalls/Wards Island, as well as Ellis and Liberty Islands. Queens County/Borough is on Long Island and includes the Rockaway Peninsula, and many islands within Jamaica Bay. Most of its islands are a part of the Gateway National Recreation Area (National Park Service) and are wildlife refuges and bird sanctuaries. Broad Channel being the exception, which is residential. Queens runs the entire width of Long Island with the East River and Long Island Sound to the north, Kings County/Borough of Brooklyn to its southwest, Nassau County to its east, and Jamaica Bay and the Atlantic Ocean to its south. Richmond County/Borough of Staten Island is an island, lying south of Manhattan Island, bordered by New Jersey to its west (separated by the Arthur Kill), NJ to its north (separated by the Kill Van Kull), Upper NY Bay to its east, and Lower NY Bay and the Atlantic Ocean to its south. Also includes Shooter's Island, Prall's Island, and Island of Meadow - all of which are bird sanctuaries. Also, to its south, are Hoffman Island and Swinburn Island which are part of the Gateway National Recreation Area, administered by the US National Park Service.

I would check first at the Italiangen.org website. They have indexes to many vital records for what is now NYC and other nearby records. If you find it in there you can then order the records from LDS. Jamaica is in Queens, and in 1889 Queens was not part of NYC. Brooklyn is a borough name, but was actually the name of a part of what is now the borough, I believe - at any rate, the Borough is Brooklyn, and the County is Kings County. Queens is the same for both. Manhattan is NY County, I believe, and the Bronx I am not sure of. As for Staten Island, they have been Richmond County, and I am not sure the years on that. I believe they are Staten Island now, but not sure. Walter is the expert on all this! I hope he answers and sets us straight. Theresa