This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JRB.2ACE/945.1 Message Board Post: According to my grandfather's birth certificate, his father was born in New York. But then again, some say Highgate VT. I have a copy of an obituary that says Franklin Greenia was born n VT. Obit states that he left behind a son by the name of Francis Bertel (Bertel Francis). Can anyone offer some information. Grandpa lived in Springfield and had 15 children with Nellie Ramsey. All lived on King Street.