Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:41:31 EST From: Johnntravis@aol.com Subject: Re: [NYALBANY] NYALBANY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 300 To: nyalbany@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <bc0.490991b6.368976bb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Let me do a little work on this and see what I come up with. I'll look at the newspaper for that date. I'll also check the City Directories, I know Lady Help of Christians Cemetery well. I used to live across the street from the Church. German Catholic National Church for many years. Possibly was buried in the old Calvary Cemetery on Delaware Ave and then moved. Hi John, Kevin Franklin told me to write to you because you are the Albany County Historian and may be able to help. The reason this is so important to me is I don't want our family in Germany to believe that the people of Albany are a bunch of thieves. We knew that John Haefele had made a lot of money in Albany, NY. When he knew that he was dying, he sold all of his property and went back to Germany to die. I have found several newspaper articles about John Haefele and his son Matthew Haefele. They say pretty much what my Mom had told us. The family in Germany said that John had a large amount of money, gold coins, with him when he left Germany. This is true; Mom said that the family did not know what John did with his money. The family in Germany thinks that he was killed for his money as it was never found. We have never believed this. We thought that he hid his money and it is gone. The part that troubles me is, we always thought that he died in a house. The German family says that it was a hotel. I want to be able to tell them that he died of chronic nephritis, myocarditis, exertion and exhaustion as per his death certificate. Thank you for all of your help. Joan ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
There will be a public meeting at the Knox Town Hall this Friday, Jan. 2 at 8pm for family researchers to learn more about the goals of the new Albany Hilltowns <http://AlbanyHilltowns.com> web site and learn how to participate. Anyone interested in sharing information on their ancestors from Berne, Knox, Westerlo or Rensselarville on the new site is urged to attend. Harold (Hal) Miller ALBANY HILLTOWNS <http://albanyhilltowns.com/> HILLTOWNS FACEBOOK GROUP<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1609167281&v=feed&story_fbid=42097780582#/group.php?gid=39859776842> BERNE HISTORICAL PROJECT <http://bernehistory.org/> BERNE BLOG <http://berneny.blogspot.com/>
Let me do a little work on this and see what I come up with. I'll look at the newspaper for that date. I'll also check the City Directories, I know Lady Help of Christians Cemetery well. I used to live across the street from the Church. German Catholic National Church for many years. Possibly was buried in the old Calvary Cemetery on Delaware Ave and then moved. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bonny20 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.albany/826.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a Baltus Lott listed as a private on the muster roll of the Hastings County Flank Company of 12 July 1812 in Hastings County, Ontario , Canada. There is high probability that he is a son of your John Lott, the Loyalist as Baltus is listed on family trees as being born in 1780. Daniel M Dean ,also on this list, was born in 1775 which is the same time frame for Baltus Lott. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
Thank you Harold and I "assume" right now, since George Simmons daughter was born in Rensselaerville, that possibly he and his wife, Elisabeth are buried there. Although, it is possible they were buried in Berne. I guess no one must be working on my family tree branches. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: <nyalbany-request@rootsweb.com> To: <nyalbany@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 2:00 AM Subject: NYALBANY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 300 > > > ====NY-Albany Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website > at:http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/ > > Add/check your Albany surnames on the Surname Registry. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NYALBANY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 299 (Harold Miller) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:33:11 -0600 > From: "Harold Miller" <halned1@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [NYALBANY] NYALBANY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 299 > To: nyalbany@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <8737c6880812220333g19fe436p842aa825574afdfb@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I probably have more information than anyone about cemeteries in Berne and > who is buried there. Most all of my information is posted on line on the > Berne Historical Project site at Bernehistory.org. Search both the Berne > Families > Genealogy and do a Surname Search from the home page since there are two > separate data bases of names. > > When I am researching folks that lived in Rensselaerville I always contact > Janet Haseley, Research Chair, The Rensselaerville Historical Society. > <Edhase at aol.com> . Unfortunately Their office is closed for the winter > so no one has access to their records. > > A great many early burials were in family cemeteries and marked with just > field stones that either had no names or just initials and maybe a date. > And > many of these burying grounds have since been abandoned and overgrown. I > know of one abandoned family buring ground in the area that has dozens of > burials and only two stones can be transcribed. > > Harold (Hal) Miller > > BERNE HISTORICAL PROJECT - Bernehistory.org > > BERNE BLOG - http://berneny.blogspot.com/ > > HILLTOWNS FACEBOOK GROUP- > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1609167281&v=feed&story_fbid=42097780582#/group.php?gid=39859776842 > - Berne, Knox, Westerlo, and Rensselaerville > > ALBANYHILLTOWNS.COM > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:54:08 -0600 >> From: "Sharon Henke" <sharhenke@charter.net> >> Subject: Re: [NYALBANY] NYALBANY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 298 >> To: <nyalbany@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <B16BABD94FDB46CFB99885478B119DDB@MOM> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Harold Miller, or anyone on the list: >> >> To whom should I write, to get cemetery information for later 1790's or >> no >> further than 1830's for someone that lived in Berne or Rensselaerville, >> Albany County, New York? I am in particular looking for Simons, Simmons >> and >> McIntosh. >> >> Sharon >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYALBANY list administrator, send an email to > NYALBANY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NYALBANY mailing list, send an email to > NYALBANY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYALBANY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYALBANY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 300 > **************************************** >
About burials in Albany, NY. My great grandfather John Xaver Haefele died December 14, 1911. My Mother traveled to Albany, NY around 1990. She went to Our Lady Help of Christians Church and was told that John Haefele was not buried there. We sent for his death certificate and it lists the place of burial or removal as Our Lady Help of Christians Cemetery. Mom said that in 1911 they did not have the equipment that they do now and that the ground was probable frozen. When this happened the cemetery would put the casket in cold storage until the ground could be worked. John's wife Theresa Haefele moved to St. Louis, MO after John died. She died April 22, 1912 in St. Louis, MO. Since she had cancer and died before she could go back to have John buried, we really don't know what happened to him. He should be buried at Our Lady Help of Christians Cemetery but they have no record of this. This is strange because the Catholic Church usually keeps very good records. This is the same John Haefele who died at 68 Green Street. Since he was supposed to be buried in a Catholic cemetery, I don't think that it was a brothel. I would still like to know if it was a house or a hotel. John moved to this address 4 months before he died. His wife Theresa was with him in the 1910 census and they were living at 25 or 30 Delaware Ave. After the census was taken, John sold all of his property and went back to Germany. Theresa went to St. Louis, MO to be with their children. John returned to the Albany, NY area four months before he died. Theresa was with him when he died. I don't know how to find this information. Who and how do I ask for it? Any help is greatly appreciated. Joan ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
I probably have more information than anyone about cemeteries in Berne and who is buried there. Most all of my information is posted on line on the Berne Historical Project site at Bernehistory.org. Search both the Berne Families Genealogy and do a Surname Search from the home page since there are two separate data bases of names. When I am researching folks that lived in Rensselaerville I always contact Janet Haseley, Research Chair, The Rensselaerville Historical Society. <Edhase at aol.com> . Unfortunately Their office is closed for the winter so no one has access to their records. A great many early burials were in family cemeteries and marked with just field stones that either had no names or just initials and maybe a date. And many of these burying grounds have since been abandoned and overgrown. I know of one abandoned family buring ground in the area that has dozens of burials and only two stones can be transcribed. Harold (Hal) Miller BERNE HISTORICAL PROJECT - Bernehistory.org BERNE BLOG - http://berneny.blogspot.com/ HILLTOWNS FACEBOOK GROUP- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1609167281&v=feed&story_fbid=42097780582#/group.php?gid=39859776842 - Berne, Knox, Westerlo, and Rensselaerville ALBANYHILLTOWNS.COM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:54:08 -0600 > From: "Sharon Henke" <sharhenke@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [NYALBANY] NYALBANY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 298 > To: <nyalbany@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B16BABD94FDB46CFB99885478B119DDB@MOM> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Harold Miller, or anyone on the list: > > To whom should I write, to get cemetery information for later 1790's or no > further than 1830's for someone that lived in Berne or Rensselaerville, > Albany County, New York? I am in particular looking for Simons, Simmons > and > McIntosh. > > Sharon > >
Try Cliff Lamere's website Albany & Eastern New York Genealogy - Cliff Lamereand Early burial places on the farms in the town of Guilderland, NY and surrounding towns (1940)
Harold Miller, or anyone on the list: To whom should I write, to get cemetery information for later 1790's or no further than 1830's for someone that lived in Berne or Rensselaerville, Albany County, New York? I am in particular looking for Simons, Simmons and McIntosh. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: <nyalbany-request@rootsweb.com> To: <nyalbany@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:01 AM Subject: NYALBANY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 298 > > > ====NY-Albany Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website > at:http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/ > > Add/check your Albany surnames on the Surname Registry. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Albanyhilltowns.com (Harold Miller) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:00:37 -0600 > From: "Harold Miller" <halned1@gmail.com> > Subject: [NYALBANY] Albanyhilltowns.com > To: NYALBANY-L <NYALBANY-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <8737c6880812201700m570f9513pe4ec94a61e1e9156@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > "The Hilltowns" is a colloquial term for the four Towns in western Albany > County: Berne, Knox, Westerlo, and Rensselaerville. They are called > Hilltowns because they are in the "hills" above the Hudson Valley in > eastern > Albany County. > > About two weeks ago I joined Facebook and started Albany County Hilltowns > History and > Genealogy<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1609167281&v=feed&story_fbid=42097780582#/group.php?gid=39859776842>group > where members can post and exchange information on the history of the > hilltowns of western Albany County and the genealogy of the people who > lived > there. We already have fifty members. Right off we decided to work on two > big projects: > > - A series of books on the history of each of the hilltowns and the > families that lived there. > - A web site focused on the history of the four hilltowns and the > families that lived. The idea is to have detailed information about the > families, their farms, and their homes. It will also have information on > the > history of the schools, churches, cemeteries and businesses. > > The web site is already up at > Albanyhilltowns.com<http://albanyhilltowns.com/>. > It is a Wiki site. That means anyone can add information on their > ancestors. > There are web pages for individual farms, houses, and families. Under > families there are pages for biographies, family stories, family history, > and genealogical charts. All of these pages are to be created and edited > by > family researchers. > > Here are some sample pages: > > - Farm on Berne Lot > 510<http://www.albanyhilltowns.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Lot_510> > . > - Historic home The Joannes Fisher > House<http://www.albanyhilltowns.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=The_Johannes_Fisher_House> > . > - Biography of Corporal Harold C. > Mattice<http://www.albanyhilltowns.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Corporal_Harold_C._Mattice> > . > - Dutch barn Jacob Post > Barn<http://www.albanyhilltowns.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Jacob_Post_Barn>. > Follow links from that page to other Dutch barns. > - A business Warner's > Sawmill<http://www.albanyhilltowns.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Warner%27s_Sawmill> > > > Harold (Hal) Miller > > BERNE HISTORICAL PROJECT - Bernehistory.org > > BERNE BLOG - http://berneny.blogspot.com/ > > HILLTOWNS FACEBOOK GROUP- > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1609167281&v=feed&story_fbid=42097780582#/group.php?gid=39859776842 > - Berne, Knox, Westerlo, and Rensselaerville > > ALBANYHILLTOWNS.COM > > HAL 'n ED - http://halned.blogspot.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYALBANY list administrator, send an email to > NYALBANY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NYALBANY mailing list, send an email to > NYALBANY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYALBANY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYALBANY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 298 > **************************************** >
"The Hilltowns" is a colloquial term for the four Towns in western Albany County: Berne, Knox, Westerlo, and Rensselaerville. They are called Hilltowns because they are in the "hills" above the Hudson Valley in eastern Albany County. About two weeks ago I joined Facebook and started Albany County Hilltowns History and Genealogy<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1609167281&v=feed&story_fbid=42097780582#/group.php?gid=39859776842>group where members can post and exchange information on the history of the hilltowns of western Albany County and the genealogy of the people who lived there. We already have fifty members. Right off we decided to work on two big projects: - A series of books on the history of each of the hilltowns and the families that lived there. - A web site focused on the history of the four hilltowns and the families that lived. The idea is to have detailed information about the families, their farms, and their homes. It will also have information on the history of the schools, churches, cemeteries and businesses. The web site is already up at Albanyhilltowns.com<http://albanyhilltowns.com/>. It is a Wiki site. That means anyone can add information on their ancestors. There are web pages for individual farms, houses, and families. Under families there are pages for biographies, family stories, family history, and genealogical charts. All of these pages are to be created and edited by family researchers. Here are some sample pages: - Farm on Berne Lot 510<http://www.albanyhilltowns.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Lot_510> . - Historic home The Joannes Fisher House<http://www.albanyhilltowns.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=The_Johannes_Fisher_House> . - Biography of Corporal Harold C. Mattice<http://www.albanyhilltowns.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Corporal_Harold_C._Mattice> . - Dutch barn Jacob Post Barn<http://www.albanyhilltowns.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Jacob_Post_Barn>. Follow links from that page to other Dutch barns. - A business Warner's Sawmill<http://www.albanyhilltowns.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Warner%27s_Sawmill> Harold (Hal) Miller BERNE HISTORICAL PROJECT - Bernehistory.org BERNE BLOG - http://berneny.blogspot.com/ HILLTOWNS FACEBOOK GROUP- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1609167281&v=feed&story_fbid=42097780582#/group.php?gid=39859776842 - Berne, Knox, Westerlo, and Rensselaerville ALBANYHILLTOWNS.COM HAL 'n ED - http://halned.blogspot.com/
The Jennery information I sought has been found. Thank you. Arthur
1860 United States Federal Censusabout Croline RobinsonName: Croline Robinson[Caroline Robinson] Age in 1860: 33Birth Year: abt 1827Birthplace: New YorkHome in 1860: Rensselaerville, Albany, New YorkGender: FemalePost Office: Preston HollowValue of real estate: Household Members: Name AgeRobt Robinson 40Croline Robinson 33William H Robinson 17George Robinson 14Mary E Robinson 12Hiram Robinson 9John Robinson 7Andrius Robinson 4Smith Robinson 9.12 Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Rensselaerville, Albany, New York; Roll: M653_722; Page: 436; Image: 438.
Hi:Here is the 1850 census for John Couchman family. The census indicates he is a blacksmith. Listed just below this family is the family of Robert Robinson, blacksmith with a wife Caroline with the correct age. This may be your Caroline. Also not note location in Albany County to help narrow your search.Try this web site for more info. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~clifflamere/I will send scan of census image to your addy.1850 United States Federal Censusabout John CouchmanName: John CouchmanAge: 48Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802Birth Place: New YorkRace: WhiteGender: MaleHome in 1850(City,County,State): Rensselaerville, Albany, New YorkHousehold Members: Name AgeElizabeth Couchman 17George Couchman 20Hiram Couchman 18John Couchman 48Lavina Couchman 7Louisa Couchman 13Mary Couchman 44 Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Rensselaerville, Albany, New York; Roll: M432_473; Page: 380; Image: 76.
I also picked up the SSDI info as the only family in the area in recent times. Maybe an obit. from Albany Times Union may help. They have an archive but you may need to pay a fee for older items.Happy Hunting
Hello Clown 16. My apologies for this belated thank you, your kind reply to my request for help has resulted in a DC for Ogden hopefully dropping into the mail-box in the next few days. Which will with a little luck add another piece to the puzzle and open up some more threads for researching. Many thanks. James. [Wales,UK] A happy Christmas & a prosperous 2009. =============== ----- Original Message ----- From: <theclown16@optonline.net> To: <nyalbany@rootsweb.com> Cc: <NYALBANY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [NYALBANY] OGDEN STEVENS Try New York State Dept. of Health Vital Records. For a fee they will send certified copy. Check online for them and how to apply for records. Also try City of Albany web site for Vital Records if he died within the city. ====NY-Albany Mailing List==== Check out the mailing list's website at:http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/ Add/check your Albany surnames on the Surname Registry. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYALBANY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
For the past six weeks or so, I have been doing a lot of research as I write a webpage about the forts in the city of Albany. I have been using various sources, one of them being Google Books. The title of one of them is "The History of the City of Albany, New York, From the Discovery of the Great River in 1524, by Verrazzano, to the Present Time", by Arthur James Weise (pub. 1884, Albany). The book is in the public domain because it was published before 1923; there is copyright restriction on the book. In fact, Google Books allowed me to download images of the entire book. Or, I could download a text file that had been created by an Optical Character Recognition (OCR) program. The text file contains some mistakes, and the maps that interest me are not available that way. I am using Adobe Reader 9 on an XP computer to view the images of the book's pages, but I am not allowed to copy and paste any text or a single page that includes a map or photo. I suspect that it is Google that is not allowing me to do the copying. Besides copyright, there is another legal restriction. Before allowing you to view or download something, a website may make you agree not to copy any of it. If you agree, that is a legal contract. However, Google Books has no such binding contract that I could find. If you know how to legally get around this restriction on copying entire pages or text from a Google Book, please contact me privately. Cliff
Thanks .... but that is a tough one to search. SSDI was my source and "Death Benefit Localities: 12009 Altamont, Albany, New York Thompsons Lake, Albany, New York" is all that I have to go on. Again, thanks AAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <theclown16@optonline.net> To: <nyalbany@rootsweb.com> Cc: <NYALBANY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [NYALBANY] Jennery I was wondering why the Albany connection.Try the Altamont Enterprise Newspaper now on line. I grew up in Altamont and never heard the name before.http://historicnewspapers.guilpl.org/ ====NY-Albany Mailing List==== Check out the mailing list's website at:http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/ Add/check your Albany surnames on the Surname Registry. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYALBANY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I was wondering why the Albany connection.Try the Altamont Enterprise Newspaper now on line. I grew up in Altamont and never heard the name before.http://historicnewspapers.guilpl.org/
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mammoth1 Surnames: Garrison, Tripp Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.albany/386.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for your fast reply. I didn't think I had John b. 1806 as son of John b. about 1770 (also appears other places as about 1777). I just have Robert in italics in the transcription of the censuses as a possibility. John Sr. appears to be the same John throughout all the censuses from 1790 thru 1860. I don't have an 1850 image nor did he appear in the 1855 Bern census transcription I saw. Part of my assumptions are circumstantial as these are the only two Garrison in the censuses and the are in close proximity. I have no access to any records so please feel free to correct any mistakes. Also I am looking for info on Robert's wife Fidelia Tripp. Any input greatly appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Kathydon217 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.albany/1924.1.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Try this website http://news.nnyln.net/ Click on St. Lawrence County and search in quotes Like "Augustus Demmon" "Charles Demmon" "Lucy Demmon" Under Charles hit #11 is the Obit for Lucy Allen Sumner Demmon. Also try "Alvah Allen" "Alva Allen" "Edwin Allen" Several newspaper articles about them that you may be able to tie into your family. Kathy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.