Is there anyone on the list who is researching or has an interest in the Peoples Line NJ Steamship Co. which operated between Albany and NYC between 1864 and 1885? I'm looking for my wife's gg grandfather...Arthur Elliott,b.1823,who worked for that company. Please contact me at.. dannnan1@bellsouth.net Thanks. Danny Guinan in Charleston,SC

Jane, A pond was less dangerous than the river, and the thickness of its ice was more uniform. The river ice could get worn away on the bottom and thereby make some parts of the ice thinner, sometimes too thin to hold the weight of the horse. However, it looked all the same as you walked on it. I used to live in Selkirk in the '70s. Was your ice house right near the river? Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jane Fiske wrote: >Cliff, > Interesting article about ice. I was a child in the 1930s, growing up on a >farm in Selkirk, about halfway between Albany and New Baltimore, and among >the outbuildings on our place was an ice house, as well as a smoke house and >a wood house, all of which I remember as just storage although when I was >very small we still had a refrigerator with real ice. There was a large >rectangular pond at Kenwood that I understood had been used earlier to cut >ice from, at the end of the city bus line, where my mother used to sometimes >meet me when I was in high school in Albany and missed the regular bus -- or >maybe there had been ice houses there, because why would they use a pond >with the river right there? > Jane > > >

Nancy, I have a Gilson family in Albany. They pop up about about 1850 in Albany, but it says the birthplace of the mother ( no father listed) is Boston.. William is 20 and a Turner. He later marries Catherine Fryer and they are ancestors of mine. Could they have been related to the Gibson line?? I always wondered. Steph

Cliff, Interesting article about ice. I was a child in the 1930s, growing up on a farm in Selkirk, about halfway between Albany and New Baltimore, and among the outbuildings on our place was an ice house, as well as a smoke house and a wood house, all of which I remember as just storage although when I was very small we still had a refrigerator with real ice. There was a large rectangular pond at Kenwood that I understood had been used earlier to cut ice from, at the end of the city bus line, where my mother used to sometimes meet me when I was in high school in Albany and missed the regular bus -- or maybe there had been ice houses there, because why would they use a pond with the river right there? Jane ----- Original Message -----

Thanks, Cliff My grandfather, George Washington Travis (1865-1915), was from New Baltimore. One of his many jobs was cutting ice on the river. JTravis **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JudyH01 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.albany/45.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for any info on a Rose McCabe Simpson. Her parents according to her death certificate were John & Mary Mccabe (McKabe). She died Jan 1886 while living in Colonie, NY Was married to William Simpson for only about 4-5 years when she died. She was previously married to someone by the name of Martin or Morton. I have had no luck finding her in the census. According to death cert. she had been in this country for about 25 years, so she came here about 1860. Does any of this sound familiar? Thanks Judy NY Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The article below was published 94 years ago this month. My notes are in square brackets [ ] . Ice harvesting from the Hudson River used to be an important business in the local area. In New Baltimore, Greene Co., just barely south of the Albany Co., they used to cut the ice from the river and store it in wooden buildings that lacked windows. When refrigerators reduced the need for river ice, the buildings were converted for use in the growth of indoor mushrooms. Cliff Lamere ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Albany Evening Journal, February 20, 1915, pg 5 ICE HOUSES IN THIS VICINITY WELL FILLED ------ Dealers in New York and Albany Confident They Can Meet Demands -- Schodack Landing's Big Storage. ------ Ice dealers in Albany and New York say that there is little need to worry about next summer's supply. Those in Albany and vicinity who cut from ponds and still water have been able to get their usual supply with a prospect of adding more before the winter ends. The dealers who cut on the river have not been so fortunate. Some In this city have not been able to secure a crop; others who cut at Castleton and down the river points have done better. ln New York it is expected that the shortage in the Hudson river crop will be made up from Maine and other places. The makers of artificial ice will also come to the rescue and the shortage will thus be eliminated. A dispatch from Schodack Landing says that ice dealers in that vicinity believe the season is practically over. At a conference held yesterday, William I. Gardenier of Gardenier & Sons, and James Scott of the National Ice company were of the same opinion. Each company has secured about 50,000 tons, while the Knickerbocker company's house here has about half that amount. Edward McCabe has 20,000 ton, mostly held over from last year, which makes a grand total of nearly 150,000 tons housed on Schoharie [sic] creek. Houses on the main river have very little. [Schoharie creek should be Schodack creek which "is a tidal channel which separates the islands from the mainland, on which stands the community of Schodack Landing." Source: "Historical and Archeological Resources of Castleton Island State Park, Towns of Stuyvesant, Columbia County, New Baltimore, Greene County, and Schodack, Rensselaer County, New York: A Preliminary Phase I Cultural Resources Assessment" by Paul R. Huey, May 1997] http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/edocs/parks/castleto.htm ] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Just a bit of Gibson information: According to Jonathan Pearson's Genealogies of the First Settlers of Albany, p 53: Gibson, David, and Maria ... ch: James, b. Aug. 2, 1777 Gibson, Collin, and Ellen Story. Ch: Mattheus, b Jan 7 1778 p 60: Haslet, Thomas, and Margaret Gibson. Ch: Thomas, b Apr 21 1781, and Mary, bp. Mar 30 1783. In Pearson's counterpart book for Schenectady, on pg 288: Wasson family section, John T., and Betts Hanna Gibson, m 1792. In "Upstate Land Owners in the 1760s: Tax Lists and Selected Militia Rolls of Old Albany County, 1760-1768," Florence Christoph: Daniel, 71, 78, Claverack section tax lists David, 9, Albany City 1767, 169, Militia Rolls Rensselaerswyck, in 1759 Robert, 70, 74, 78, Claverack section tax lists Thomas 246, Militia Rolls, Albany County, Cornelius an Debaregh's company Albany May 17, 1762   Nancy Johnsen Curran http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran Genealogy research and photography in the capital region of New York State > I am looking for David GIBSON who married Maria RADCLIFFE. They had a son born to them, James, born in Aug 1777 and christened in the Dutch Reformed Church. I would like to know if James had any descendants and where he lived his life.

Thank you, Cliff... very informative message. Joan Thom **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003)

Thank you Cliff..very informative. I'm still finding out about my Dutch heritage. Pete> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:10:42 -0500> From: clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> To: nyalbany@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NYALBANY] Dutch Names> > When the Dutch colony of New Netherland (now New York) formed in the > early 1600's, surnames were not required. It was a time when patronyms > were used, which means that people had a two-part name consisting of a > given name and a last name which was a variation of the father's given > name. If a boy Gilbert had a father named Jacob, the boy would be known > as Gilbert Jacobse (sometimes Jacobsz or Jacobsen). This basically > means "Gilbert, child of Jacob". The last name of Gilbert's son would > be Gilbertse, etc.> > The British gained control of the Dutch colony in 1664, lost control in > 1673, then regained control in 1674. The British required that people > have a surname. People who had none had to create one. Many took the > name of the village from which they came, but put Van (from) in front of > it. The Van Burens came from the village of Bueren or Beuren in the > Netherlands. Some took a name that described something environmental, > like Van Den Bergh, which means something like 'from the mountains', or > sometimes it was an occupation like Bakker (baker).> > The Dutch kept their patronym (meaning 'father's name') as a middle > name. My eighth greatgrandfather was Jacob Janse Gardenier (the son of > Jan, which was the equivalent of John). His sons and daughters all had > the middle name of Jacobse. My Danish greatgrandfather and his brother > had many children all with the middle name of Jacobs or Jacobsen. They > arrived in this country in the 1870's. Denmark didn't require surnames > until about 1860, like the other Scandinavian countries.> > In pre-1800 Reformed Dutch church records, a middle name was not often > recorded, but it was generally understood, at least for the sons. In a > baptism record, a boy could be recorded as John, son of Nicholas and > Mary Van Buren. Later, it is likely he would be referred to as John N. > Van Buren even if he didn't receive an official middle name during a > baptism. I have seen baptism records in which the boy's middle name was > the same as his mother's maiden name. If it was Smith, he could later > be referred to as John S. Van Buren, but a lot of people would not know > his real middle name. In that case, he could be recorded as John N. Van > Buren if they knew his father's name.> > Junior is another interesting part of a name. If two men in a village > had the same name, the younger one would often be called Jr. even if he > was not related to the other man by the same name.> > Cliff Lamere> > > > ====NY-Albany Mailing List====> Check out the mailing list's website at:http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/> Add/check your Albany surnames on the Surname Registry.> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYALBANY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009

When the Dutch colony of New Netherland (now New York) formed in the early 1600's, surnames were not required. It was a time when patronyms were used, which means that people had a two-part name consisting of a given name and a last name which was a variation of the father's given name. If a boy Gilbert had a father named Jacob, the boy would be known as Gilbert Jacobse (sometimes Jacobsz or Jacobsen). This basically means "Gilbert, child of Jacob". The last name of Gilbert's son would be Gilbertse, etc. The British gained control of the Dutch colony in 1664, lost control in 1673, then regained control in 1674. The British required that people have a surname. People who had none had to create one. Many took the name of the village from which they came, but put Van (from) in front of it. The Van Burens came from the village of Bueren or Beuren in the Netherlands. Some took a name that described something environmental, like Van Den Bergh, which means something like 'from the mountains', or sometimes it was an occupation like Bakker (baker). The Dutch kept their patronym (meaning 'father's name') as a middle name. My eighth greatgrandfather was Jacob Janse Gardenier (the son of Jan, which was the equivalent of John). His sons and daughters all had the middle name of Jacobse. My Danish greatgrandfather and his brother had many children all with the middle name of Jacobs or Jacobsen. They arrived in this country in the 1870's. Denmark didn't require surnames until about 1860, like the other Scandinavian countries. In pre-1800 Reformed Dutch church records, a middle name was not often recorded, but it was generally understood, at least for the sons. In a baptism record, a boy could be recorded as John, son of Nicholas and Mary Van Buren. Later, it is likely he would be referred to as John N. Van Buren even if he didn't receive an official middle name during a baptism. I have seen baptism records in which the boy's middle name was the same as his mother's maiden name. If it was Smith, he could later be referred to as John S. Van Buren, but a lot of people would not know his real middle name. In that case, he could be recorded as John N. Van Buren if they knew his father's name. Junior is another interesting part of a name. If two men in a village had the same name, the younger one would often be called Jr. even if he was not related to the other man by the same name. Cliff Lamere

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: slsalmans Surnames: Gibson Radcliffe Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.albany/7669/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for David GIBSON who married Maria RADCLIFFE. They had a son born to them, James, born in Aug 1777 and christened in the Dutch Reformed Church. I would like to know if James had any descendants and where he lived his life. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

According to the NYSL website, they are closed on Monday February 16, 2009 for " Washington's Birthday (Presidents' Day)" The "floater" was today (Lincoln's Birthday) see calendar here: http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/contact.htm#hours > Think they do a "floater." > > P.S. = Legally there is no such thing as "President's Day" Look up the > legislation. > Also Washington wasn't the First President of the United > States, nor was he > born on Feb 22!!! > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. AOL Music takes you there. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000004) > ====NY-Albany Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at:http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/ > Add/check your Albany surnames on the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYALBANY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks, Cliff. I think I heard that it got to be too much for him. JTravis **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000004)

Think they do a "floater." P.S. = Legally there is no such thing as "President's Day" Look up the legislation. Also Washington wasn't the First President of the United States, nor was he born on Feb 22!!! **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000004)

all I know is that government offices around my part of the nation are closed, considering it a "national holiday". They roll Lincoln and Washington into one to make a 3 day weekend. Nice and convenient, I suppose. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Johnntravis@aol.com> To: <nyalbany@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [NYALBANY] Obituary Lookups in Albany > Think they do a "floater." > > P.S. = Legally there is no such thing as "President's Day" Look up the > legislation. > Also Washington wasn't the First President of the United > States, nor was he > born on Feb 22!!! > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. AOL Music takes you there. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000004) > ====NY-Albany Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website > at:http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/ > Add/check your Albany surnames on the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYALBANY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, I had not heard of that index, but I found it mentioned online with NY obituary indexes. However, as far as I can tell, it is an index of the entire newspaper. One of the indexed years had been online, but is not online now. I found the following: New York Albany Times-Union Index to the Albany Times Union / compiled by Michael Knee. Albany, N.Y. : University Libraries, State University of New York at Albany, 1984- Semiannual. LC Call Number AI21.T656I53 Holdings : 1982-1987 (incomplete), 1991. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cliff _______________ Johnntravis@aol.com wrote: There is also an ondex that was done by a Michael Knee. It covers several years, I think back in the 1970's. I don't think it was ever put on-line. Cliff - Do you remember this? If so, do you remember what years he did?

John Travis, Monday is President's Day. The State Library will probably be closed. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: <Johnntravis@aol.com> To: <nyalbany@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [NYALBANY] Obituary Lookups in Albany > Kathy, > > Did you ever get your STODDARD obit? Am going to try to walk down to > bother > people at the State Library monday, if you need me to look things up!! > > JTravis > **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near > you > now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001) > ====NY-Albany Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website > at:http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/ > Add/check your Albany surnames on the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYALBANY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy, Did you ever get your STODDARD obit? Am going to try to walk down to bother people at the State Library monday, if you need me to look things up!! JTravis **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001)

There is also an ondex that was done by a Michael Knee. It covers several years, I think back in the 1970's. I don't think it was ever put on-line. Cliff - Do you remember this? If so, do you remember what years he did? **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001)