This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kathiealbn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.albany/4330.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found the obit listed on www.bettyfink.com/. The 1859-1866 Albany obits are listed on her menu. The date of the article was 2/28/1863. I found him on the 1860 Albany census, listed as 70 yrs old, b in NY, wife Mary 71 yrs b. NY. No other info. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kdpvillages Surnames: KELLEY, DODGE Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.albany/4330.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Kathie, During a google search for Sylvanus Kelley 1863, I saw your post mentioning Albany obits. Sylvanus is my 3rd great-grandfather. Can you point me to the actual obit, cemetery info or where I might find other info on him or his wife? I have his wife as Mary Dodge, death date of 04 Jan 1873. I would appreciate any info you could provide... Karen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks, Cliff. I always look forward to your messages. They are always helpful. When I get one that is empty, I feel that I am missing something important. John Travis **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002)

http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/historical/exploration/bogaert.jpg/image_view Fort Orange was built of wood in 1624. The surrounding land had to be cleared of trees to build this trading fort and the buildings inside of it. The trees also had to be cleared to prevent Indians or others from hiding near the fort if they were going to attack it. Fort Orange was built on the short, flat flood plain of the Hudson River where, naturally, it periodically became flooded. Fort Orange was located approximately at the northwest corner of present-day Broadway and Madison Ave. Close behind the fort, the river valley wall began its ascent. The cleared land on three sides of the fort were probably used to grow food for the traders. Imported labor was used at first in the gardens, but after two years had to be sent to Manhattan because of danger from the Indians. In 1659, a complaint was made to some Indian chiefs that "some of your people... sometimes kill the horses, cows, hogs and goats of our people. We request you, brothers, to forbid your people doing it. We give you hereupon two beavers' worth of knives." Almost all of the land in Albany County today, as well as the southern two-thirds of Rensselaer County, were owned by one man, Killian Van Rensselaer. He was called the patroon of the land. The land on which the fort was built was owned by the Dutch West India Company, not the patroon, but he supposedly owned everything else including the land around Fort Orange. Nevertheless, houses began to spring up on the north side of the fort, which is probably why the Tantillo painting depicting a 1635 view is looking southward (to avoid having to include any houses). The home builders were seeking the protection of the fort, but for security reasons, nothing should have been built so close to the fort. The patroon's representative in the colony was adamant that the houses were being built on the patroon's land, but the colony's governor was not sympathetic. In 1652 a palisaded village called Beverwyck was begun about 3/8ths of a mile (a few modern blocks) to the north of the fort. This was also constructed on the patroon's land. The fort and the houses north of it were left outside the village of Beverwyck (which would be renamed Albany in 1664 when the Dutch colony fell into the hands of the English). The painting shows cleared land west and south of the fort. It is probably what early became known as the Pastures. However, there was cleared land uphill from the houses north of Fort Orange. It was probably also part of the Pastures, because it was no doubt part of the garden land needed to feed the city of Albany. Which exact land the Pastures contained probably depends on when the term was coined, and the blocks that were part of it probably became further and further south as the city of Albany expanded to the south onto garden land. Look at the following 1698 map by Wolfgang Wilhelm Roemer. Fort Orange is in the lower left corner of the map. Albany has a stockade around it. The Hudson River is at the bottom of the map. Streets can be seen in the area of the houses north of the fort. http://www.genealogy.clifflamere.com/Aid/History/Img-Hist/map-albany-1698-Roemer.jpg Interestingly, there is a part of one block which is currently used as gardens in the South End of Albany (just downhill from Lincoln Park). It appears that 1695 Albany also had gardens in the centers of the city blocks (in other words, in the backyards of the houses surrounding the block) where individuals could grow crops for their own personal use. The houses probably had root cellars to keep vegetables cool, but unfrozen, through the winter. The area might also have been used as pasture for a goat or cow. The Dutch name for the fort was Oranje, which was pronounced or-ON-ee-uh. Some English-speaking authors wrote it as Fort Aurania, which had the same pronunciation, although modern US English speakers would pronounce it or-AY-nee-uh. Some later writers, including some of the present dedade, have mistakenly thought that it was a separate fort. Modern descriptions of Fort Aurania and where it was located tend to be very wrong. Cliff Lamere Albany, NY ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have received empty emails from the list on occasion. Sometimes they are quickly followed by a second email from the same person. My assumption has been that, before writing the message, the sender hit Send by mistake. This time the empty message is mine. Its title was "The Pastures of Albany / was Episcopalian Churches" (I was changing the subject to focus on the Pastures). I just checked my email program's Sent folder. The email on my computer has a complete message in it. Somewhere along the way, the body of the email got lost. Since I only receive empty messages from mailing lists, my guess is that it is a glitch at Ancestry. This is not a complaint; just an observation. I very much appreciate what Ancestry does for us by providing free mailing lists. The problem may only be on the Albany mailing list, because I remember twice before when John Travis reacted the same as he did to my empty message. I seldom look at my emails when they are returned to me from a mailing list. I guess we should all be checking what we send to a mailing list. In my case, there were several people writing on the same subject. It did appear that one or two were ignoring what I wrote, but I just assumed they had different sources from mine. On another mailing list, people received my email long before I did. It took 13 hours for me to get my own message back. Since other people received it from Ancestry long before I did, it hardly seems that the delay had anything to do with Ancestry. Cliff Lamere

Thank you, Cliff. What a great picture - it really puts matters into perspective. I'm bothered by the lack of the hill, though. State Street and the present capitol building would be outside the walls, to the right, I guess? So the fort was all between what's now Madison and State, or even less? Still, when someone says a church was in the Pastures neighborhood, it seems too vague. Everything outside must have been pastures. Interesting ... Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Lamere" <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> To: <nyalbany@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: [NYALBANY] Fort Orange & The Pastures of Albany > http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/historical/exploration/bogaert.jpg > > Len Tantillo, well-known local artist living in Rensselaer County (near > Albany), has created many historically accurate paintings. Take a look > at his painting of Fort Orange. The boat could not be the Half Moon of > Henry Hudson, but it flies the Dutch flag (red-white-blue), so it is > probably similar. The fort is also flying the Dutch flag. > > Think of the left edge of the fort as being Madison Ave (on the south > side of the fort) which presently goes up the hill to the Museum (and > NYS Library and Archives). Think of the front of the fort as being the > present Broadway. Uphill, as well as to the left of the fort, were what > I think were the Pastures. Having been cleared of the trees, the area > was suitable for gardening and pasturing animals. To the right (north) > of the fort, some houses were built. These houses were not included in > Beverwyck which was constructed a little to the right of the area shown > in the painting and was surrounded by a stockade (palisade). > > If you are familiar with Albany, the fort's location will seem to be > much too close to the Hudson River. However, in later (relatively > modern) times, fill was added along the shore to extend the land out > into the river. > > Cliff Lamere > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ====NY-Albany Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website > at:http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/ > Add/check your Albany surnames on the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYALBANY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HUH? Nothing here!! **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002)

When I replied to the questions about Episcopal Churches, I was quoting from St. Paul's Episcopal Church website. Here is the link describing where the church started. http://www.stpaulsplace.org/about_st_pauls.html ________________________________ From: Jane Fiske <jffiske@comcast.net> To: nyalbany@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:25:02 AM Subject: Re: [NYALBANY] Fort Orange & The Pastures of Albany Thank you, Cliff. What a great picture - it really puts matters into perspective. I'm bothered by the lack of the hill, though. State Street and the present capitol building would be outside the walls, to the right, I guess? So the fort was all between what's now Madison and State, or even less? Still, when someone says a church was in the Pastures neighborhood, it seems too vague. Everything outside must have been pastures. Interesting ... Jane

http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/historical/exploration/bogaert.jpg Len Tantillo, well-known local artist living in Rensselaer County (near Albany), has created many historically accurate paintings. Take a look at his painting of Fort Orange. The boat could not be the Half Moon of Henry Hudson, but it flies the Dutch flag (red-white-blue), so it is probably similar. The fort is also flying the Dutch flag. Think of the left edge of the fort as being Madison Ave (on the south side of the fort) which presently goes up the hill to the Museum (and NYS Library and Archives). Think of the front of the fort as being the present Broadway. Uphill, as well as to the left of the fort, were what I think were the Pastures. Having been cleared of the trees, the area was suitable for gardening and pasturing animals. To the right (north) of the fort, some houses were built. These houses were not included in Beverwyck which was constructed a little to the right of the area shown in the painting and was surrounded by a stockade (palisade). If you are familiar with Albany, the fort's location will seem to be much too close to the Hudson River. However, in later (relatively modern) times, fill was added along the shore to extend the land out into the river. Cliff Lamere ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The short answer is: /The Pastures ... the first neighborhood to be settled beyond /Albany's/ original stockade/ .../ takes its name from the land it is situated on, which was pasture land in the 1600s. Today, it's bounded by Madison Avenue to the north, South Ferry Street on the south, Dongon Avenue to the east and South Pearl Street to the west./ Taken from a longer informative description from the Times Union: http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?category=LIFE&storyID=301947&BCCode=&newsdate=11/7/2004 :

Where was the Pastures neighborhood? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy" <diamndldy3@yahoo.com> To: <nyalbany@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [NYALBANY] Episcopalian Churches > Ed and Cliff, > > There is also St. Paul's which was founded in 1827 and located first in > the Pastures neighborhood, moved to Lancaster Street in 1863 and then to > Hackett Blvd. > > Judy > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Cliff Lamere <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> > To: nyalbany@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:35:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NYALBANY] Episcopalian Churches > > Ed, > > St. Peter's Church in Albany moved a short distance to its present site > around 1802, but it existed long before that. St. George's in > Schenectady was founded in 1735. I'm pretty sure they are the oldest > Episcopal churches in the area. I can't tell you of any other's that > might have formed by 1840. Another major Episcopal church in Albany > today is the Cathedral of All Saints, but it opened for worship in 1888. > > http://www.stpeterschurchalbany.org/parish_history.htm > > http://www.stgeorgesschenectady.org/ > > Cliff > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ====NY-Albany Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website > at:http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/ > Add/check your Albany surnames on the Surname Registry. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYALBANY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[Jason, this is from Rensselaerville Historical Society. ] I plan to look this up on Wednesday. I already checked the Brookside Cemetery which is in Preston Hollow and there was no mention of your Preston. We have other Cemetery lists in all of Rensselaerville, Berne and Westerlo - so I hope to have some good news for you. Please do Reply , so that I can be assured that you have received this Sincerely Marion Williams, research volunteer for The Rensselaerville Historical Society

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: canis1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.albany/7687/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Capital District Genealogical Society will meet at the Colonie Town Library 629 Albany-Shaker Road, Loudonville Saturday, March 28, 2009 10 a.m.-4 p.m. (stop in any time) The topic for the meeting will be Computer Look up Day Get one on one, hands on help with your family history Individual CD collections totaling over 300. Includes most of the Family Tree Maker CD's, HEHGS, Civil War, Corbin Collection, PERSI, LDS and more. Access ancestry.com and other sites! This is a good time to get help with starting your family tree. Please join us The meeting is free, fun and open to the public. Capital District Genealogical Society P.O. Box 2175 Empire State Plaza Station Albany, NY 12220 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Ed, St. Peter's Church in Albany moved a short distance to its present site around 1802, but it existed long before that. St. George's in Schenectady was founded in 1735. I'm pretty sure they are the oldest Episcopal churches in the area. I can't tell you of any other's that might have formed by 1840. Another major Episcopal church in Albany today is the Cathedral of All Saints, but it opened for worship in 1888. http://www.stpeterschurchalbany.org/parish_history.htm http://www.stgeorgesschenectady.org/ Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hagerdonngenealogy@earthlink.net wrote: >Would anyone know which Episcopalian Churches were in the Greater Albany >area in the 1830s or 1840s? > >Ed Hagerty >====NY-Albany Mailing List==== >Check out the mailing list's website at:http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/ >Add/check your Albany surnames on the Surname Registry. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYALBANY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Ed and Cliff, There is also St. Paul's which was founded in 1827 and located first in the Pastures neighborhood, moved to Lancaster Street in 1863 and then to Hackett Blvd. Judy ________________________________ From: Cliff Lamere <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> To: nyalbany@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:35:29 PM Subject: Re: [NYALBANY] Episcopalian Churches Ed, St. Peter's Church in Albany moved a short distance to its present site around 1802, but it existed long before that. St. George's in Schenectady was founded in 1735. I'm pretty sure they are the oldest Episcopal churches in the area. I can't tell you of any other's that might have formed by 1840. Another major Episcopal church in Albany today is the Cathedral of All Saints, but it opened for worship in 1888. http://www.stpeterschurchalbany.org/parish_history.htm http://www.stgeorgesschenectady.org/ Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Would anyone know which Episcopalian Churches were in the Greater Albany area in the 1830s or 1840s? Ed Hagerty

Locations for Simeon's in 1840 NY census to help narrow where to look.Try NYGENWEB sites for each county.Simeon Coons Clermont, Columbia, New York Simeon Coons Marbletown, Ulster, New York

Here they are in 1850. Simon and wife with her mother ? Name probably closer to Van Ostrand or Van Norstrand which are NY names. Look for variations in spellings. 1850 United States Federal Censusabout Simon CoonsName: Simon CoonsAge: 34Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816Birth Place: New YorkGender: MaleHome in 1850(City,County,State): Pitt, Wyandot, OhioHousehold Members: Name AgeAlonzo Coons 7Ann A Coons 31Barnett D Coons 3George W Coons 5Isaac I Coons 14Michael H Coons 9Simon Coons 34Alida VA Austeand  70 Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Pitt, Wyandot, Ohio; Roll: M432_741; Page: 231; Image: 457.