United Irishmen, United States: Immigrant Radicals in the Early Republic David S. Wilson Mary Lee, You might be interested in this book which I believe is published by Syracuse University Press. You may also be interested in "Irish Immigrants in the Land of Canaan: Letters and Memoirs from Colonial and Revolutionary America, 1675-1815". Kerby A. Miller (Editor), Arnold Schrier (Editor), Bruce D. Boling (Editor), David N. Doyle (Editor) The last is superb. Robert Emmet's older brother Thomas who played more of a role in the in United Irish movement and was imprisoned after the rising in 1798 is featured along with his letters. Thomas eventually emigrated to America against the strong efforts of the Federalists who saw the United Irishmen as a threat to their party and the natural allies of Thomas Jefferson's Republicans. Thomas became an extraordinarily successful lawyer and friend to Irish immigrants in NYC. When he died around 1825, his funeral was the largest public event to that point in the city. Finally, I never tire of recommending Thomas Flanagan's "The Year of the French", perhaps the best historical fiction ever written about Ireland and telling the story of the ill-fated collaboration of the French under General Humbert and the United Irishmen in Mayo before their defeat at Ballinamuck in Longford. Best, David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Rainville Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Snippets from, The Irish World, newspaper > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:48:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Snippets from, The Irish World, newspaper To All; I find this post very interesting. My great-grandfather, Nicholas Corbett's obituary indicates that his father, Lawrence Corbett, was in the rebellion of 1799, and was associated with Robert Emmet. The obit also states that he was granted amnesty. Would love to find some information that would help me prove this. I would appreciate hearing from anyone with any ideas regarding this information. Thanks, Joan > -Original Message----- > From: Bill & Cathy McGrath <[email protected]> > To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc <[email protected]>; nyrensse <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Jul 12, 2012 1:17 pm > Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Snippets from, The Irish World, newspaper > > > Pat Connors recently posted some items from The Irish World newspaper. List > members may be interested in the following comments on the October 24, 1903 > article on the centennial of the martyrdom of Robert Emmet that Pat posted: > > 1. The obituary for my great grandfather, Timothy O'Connor, published in > the Troy Times on Thursday Afternoon, August 8, 1912, page 5 states that > "Mr. O'Connor was a member of the old Robert Emmet Association. > > 2. Robert Emmet (1778-1803) was an Irish orator and patriot hanged and > beheaded by the English on September 20, 1803. His speech to the court on > the eve of his execution included the following famous lines: > > "Let no man write my epitaph: for as no man who knows my motives dare now > vindicate them, let not prejudice or ignorance asperse them. Let them and > me repose in obscurity and peace, and my tomb remain uninscribed, until > other times, and other men, can do justice to my character; when my country > takes her place among the nations of the earth, then, and not till then, let > my epitaph be written" > > 3. On August 18, 1876, the U. S. Whaling Ship, the Catalpa, sailed into New > York Harbor with six famous Irish prisoners that were rescued from > Australia. The Robert Emmet Association of Troy, New York, fired a salute. > (From Page 569, The Great Shame - And The Triumph Of The Irish In The > English-Speaking World, by Thomas Keneally. > > 4. On our November 2006 trip to Ireland we asked a Garda officer on Grafton > Street in Dublin about a good local pub and he suggested the Brazen Head > which is the oldest pub in Ireland. Got their license in 1661 but a pub has > been on that spot where they are located since 1198. The Garda officer also > mentioned that Robert Emmet scratched his name in one of the windows > upstairs in the pub. This intrigued me as my great grandfather, Timothy > O'Connor (1836-1912) was a member of the Robert Emmet Association of Troy, > NY. There was no question about where we were having dinner! Had a great > meal at the Brazen Head and did see Emmet's name on the windowpane. > > 5. A number of years ago while I was transcribing the Burden Iron Company > payroll records at the Rensselaer County Historical Society in Troy, the > staff there were discussing a Troy, New York document on the Robert Emmet > Association that was for sale on the internet. They were successful in > their bid to get the document for their collection. > > Regards, > > Bill McGrath > Clifton Park, NY > > Pat Connor's Posting from the Irish World Oct 24, 1903 > TROY. The centenneal of the martyrdome of Robert Emmet was celebrated at > Douchy Hall by all the divisions of the A. O. H. in this city. Adjutant > Philip J Ryan of the Hibernian Rifles called the assemblinge to order, and > Dennis Maloney was made chairman. State President M.J. Slattery, of Albany, > gave an address upon the life and character of Robert Emmet. The glee club > of Div. 6, A.O.H. consisting of James H Morrissey, John JO'Brien, Lawrence T > Behan, Thomas F Murnane, James F Lyman, Kyran J Devery and William T Ranney, > rendered vocal selections after which James J Barrettof Syracuse, spoke > about the life and death of Robert Emmet. Vocal solos werealso given by > James H Lyman, K J Devery, Thomas F Murnane and J H Morrissisey with D.D. > Crough at the piano. The meeting was brought to a > close by all rising and singing, 'God Save Ireland.' > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. 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Hello, David, I appreciate your posting book recommendations and I agree with you that "Irish Immigrants in the Land of Canaan ..." and Thomas Flanagan's books are both great. I have the first and have dipped into it (though not read it cover to cover) and I have Flanagan's book and read it years ago. There's some confusion though since I did not post the note about the Corbetts and Robert Emmett. The author was a woman named Joan. I too was rather confused to see my name in the "From" slot. It appears a couple of notes somehow got mixed together; I had posted an earlier reply to the message. I have just found something that may respond to Joan's question. In Thomas Pakenham's book, The Year of Liberty / The Great Irish Rebellion of 1798, there is a painting of the United Irish Patriots of 1798. Among them is a W. Corbet. Also listed were R. Emmet and T.A. Emmet. The name is also listed a second time in the book's index; apparently there is/was a Corbet Hill in Wexford that was a scene of some of the fighting. Joan, where were your Corbetts from? I'll try to look for more later. Best, Mary Lee -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, David <[email protected]> To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:08 am Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Snippets from, The Irish World, newspaper United Irishmen, United States: Immigrant Radicals in the Early Republic David S. Wilson Mary Lee, You might be interested in this book which I believe is published by Syracuse University Press. You may also be interested in "Irish Immigrants in the Land of Canaan: Letters and Memoirs from Colonial and Revolutionary America, 1675-1815". Kerby A. Miller (Editor), Arnold Schrier (Editor), Bruce D. Boling (Editor), David N. Doyle (Editor) The last is superb. Robert Emmet's older brother Thomas who played more of a role in the in United Irish movement and was imprisoned after the rising in 1798 is featured along with his letters. Thomas eventually emigrated to America against the strong efforts of the Federalists who saw the United Irishmen as a threat to their party and the natural allies of Thomas Jefferson's Republicans. Thomas became an extraordinarily successful lawyer and friend to Irish immigrants in NYC. When he died around 1825, his funeral was the largest public event to that point in the city. Finally, I never tire of recommending Thomas Flanagan's "The Year of the French", perhaps the best historical fiction ever written about Ireland and telling the story of the ill-fated collaboration of the French under General Humbert and the United Irishmen in Mayo before their defeat at Ballinamuck in Longford. Best, David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Rainville Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Snippets from, The Irish World, newspaper > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:48:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Snippets from, The Irish World, newspaper To All; I find this post very interesting. My great-grandfather, Nicholas Corbett's obituary indicates that his father, Lawrence Corbett, was in the rebellion of 1799, and was associated with Robert Emmet. The obit also states that he was granted amnesty. Would love to find some information that would help me prove this. I would appreciate hearing from anyone with any ideas regarding this information. Thanks, Joan > -Original Message----- > From: Bill & Cathy McGrath <[email protected]> > To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc <[email protected]>; nyrensse <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Jul 12, 2012 1:17 pm > Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Snippets from, The Irish World, newspaper > > > Pat Connors recently posted some items from The Irish World newspaper. List > members may be interested in the following comments on the October 24, 1903 > article on the centennial of the martyrdom of Robert Emmet that Pat posted: > > 1. The obituary for my great grandfather, Timothy O'Connor, published in > the Troy Times on Thursday Afternoon, August 8, 1912, page 5 states that > "Mr. O'Connor was a member of the old Robert Emmet Association. > > 2. Robert Emmet (1778-1803) was an Irish orator and patriot hanged and > beheaded by the English on September 20, 1803. His speech to the court on > the eve of his execution included the following famous lines: > > "Let no man write my epitaph: for as no man who knows my motives dare now > vindicate them, let not prejudice or ignorance asperse them. Let them and > me repose in obscurity and peace, and my tomb remain uninscribed, until > other times, and other men, can do justice to my character; when my country > takes her place among the nations of the earth, then, and not till then, let > my epitaph be written" > > 3. On August 18, 1876, the U. S. Whaling Ship, the Catalpa, sailed into New > York Harbor with six famous Irish prisoners that were rescued from > Australia. The Robert Emmet Association of Troy, New York, fired a salute. > (From Page 569, The Great Shame - And The Triumph Of The Irish In The > English-Speaking World, by Thomas Keneally. > > 4. On our November 2006 trip to Ireland we asked a Garda officer on Grafton > Street in Dublin about a good local pub and he suggested the Brazen Head > which is the oldest pub in Ireland. Got their license in 1661 but a pub has > been on that spot where they are located since 1198. The Garda officer also > mentioned that Robert Emmet scratched his name in one of the windows > upstairs in the pub. This intrigued me as my great grandfather, Timothy > O'Connor (1836-1912) was a member of the Robert Emmet Association of Troy, > NY. There was no question about where we were having dinner! Had a great > meal at the Brazen Head and did see Emmet's name on the windowpane. > > 5. A number of years ago while I was transcribing the Burden Iron Company > payroll records at the Rensselaer County Historical Society in Troy, the > staff there were discussing a Troy, New York document on the Robert Emmet > Association that was for sale on the internet. They were successful in > their bid to get the document for their collection. > > Regards, > > Bill McGrath > Clifton Park, NY > > Pat Connor's Posting from the Irish World Oct 24, 1903 > TROY. The centenneal of the martyrdome of Robert Emmet was celebrated at > Douchy Hall by all the divisions of the A. O. H. in this city. Adjutant > Philip J Ryan of the Hibernian Rifles called the assemblinge to order, and > Dennis Maloney was made chairman. State President M.J. Slattery, of Albany, > gave an address upon the life and character of Robert Emmet. The glee club > of Div. 6, A.O.H. consisting of James H Morrissey, John JO'Brien, Lawrence T > Behan, Thomas F Murnane, James F Lyman, Kyran J Devery and William T Ranney, > rendered vocal selections after which James J Barrettof Syracuse, spoke > about the life and death of Robert Emmet. Vocal solos werealso given by > James H Lyman, K J Devery, Thomas F Murnane and J H Morrissisey with D.D. > Crough at the piano. The meeting was brought to a > close by all rising and singing, 'God Save Ireland.' > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website for > details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. 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