this may show a connection with my O'Briens and carol's. We have Keoughs on our side too. jeff gaul "Let us remember, that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration, which should deeply impress our minds, that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers in the event." -Samuel Adams. In a message dated 7/24/2008 8:28:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kevina@munnich.com writes: I have church certificates, in error, from St. Mary on Lodge St in Albany. Marriage for Pierce J. Ryan and Mary O'Brien10Jun1903 (witnesses: Thomas Ryan and Mary Ryan); Baptismal for Mary Ryan, daughter of Pierce Ryan and Mary O'Brien in Albany 24Jun1904 Baptized 1July1904; sponsors Thomas P. Keough and Sara Brennan. James Edward Ryan b. Albany, Baptized 14Oct1906 (note indicates he may have died at birth); parents Pierce Ryan and Mary O'Brien; no witnesses. I've been trying to find the family these could be useful for. My g grandfather was Matthew Ryan and had a son Michael (and Matthew and Martin). My grandfather was Pierce Ryan (second marriage of Matthew), as was my father. Kevina Munnich kevina@munnich.com **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)