A bit of a history lesson on religious persecutions in Ireland. Presbyterianism was the state religion in Scotland and initially under James I, Scot Presbyterians, including my Clugston and Conroy ancestors, were transported from SW Scotland to Ireland to populate the Ulster Plantation with dependable Protestants. James I had been raised a Presbyterian. His second son, who later became Charles I, was raised as an Anglican and was suspected of being a secret Catholic. The Anglican Church had been the established church in Ireland ever since the separation under Henry VIII as the Church of Ireland. Established church meant you paid taxes for the support of the church no matter your personal affiliation. As the Stuart dynasty became more English in outlook under Charles I and II, the Presbyterian faith in anywhere but Scotland became more suspect. As Scots or descendents of Scots, many Presbyterian Irish supported the Stuart king, Charles I, during the Civil War and paid dearly for it at the hands of the English Puritans. The Act of Union in 1707, when Queen Anne abolished Scotland as an independent state further raised the ire of many Scottish nationalists of every religious hue. When the Hanoverians under George I came to the throne in 1714, many Presbyterians whether in Scotland or Ireland were supporters of the Stuart pretenders, James III and Charles III so religious affiliation became more and more of a loyalty test. If you weren't Church of Ireland, you were suspected as a potential supporter of the pretenders and/or Scottish nationalism. Methodism, started in the mid-1700's) was wildly popular among the lower classes in England and among Protestants in Ireland and challenged the authority of the Anglican Church in England and Ireland, which made Methodism suspect. Also, it was in many ways a revival of "puritan ideas" and though a much less fanatical format than its 17th century antecedents, still a threat to the established order. While the Jacobite threat to the Hanoverians ended at the Battle of Culloden in 1746, no one was ever sure if another Jacobite rebellion supported by the Scot nationalists would surface. These conflicts spurred Presbyterian emigration to America including the Jackson family whose son Andrew would become President. By 1780, the Jacobite threat was diminishing because Charles was aged and feeble and the only male Stuart heir was his younger brother, Henry Stuart, Cardinal of York. When Charles died in 1788, Henry proclaimed himself Henry IX. When he died in 1807, the direct Stuart line came to an end. Charles and Henry are buried in St. Peter's Basillica. In 1782, the Presbyterian Church in Ireland was finally allowed to conduct its own baptisms and marriages and other forms of persecution were loosened and eventually removed. But preference in jobs and other opportunities went to members of the Church of Ireland. However, the Presbyterians had the ability to accumulate wealth and an education and could afford to move. They found emigration to the American colonies and Canada where they became Scot Irish. They also brought their anti-English, anti-Hanoverian monarchy sentiments with them which injected a powerful group promoting American independence. As Methodism became a mainstream religion by the end of the 18th century, persecution against Methodists were also lifted. Catholics, of course were a different matter. In Ireland identification with Catholicism went along with Irish nationalism, something the British spent four centuries trying to stamp out. Catholicism was viewed as subversive to the state (allegiance to the Pope) not only in Ireland but in England and America as well. George III refused to consider Catholic Emancipation as part of the Act of Union in 1801. However, in 1829, The Roman Catholic Relief Act was passed by Parliament to allow Daniel O'Connell to take his seat in Parliament. The passage of the act did nothing to repair the centuries of persecution, denial of property rights, politicial rights, education, employment and other basic human rights among Ireland's poor. Of course, like other persecuted groups, the Irish poor were then blamed for their illiteracy, lack of property, "shiftless ways" etc. Nothing changed for the average Irish Catholic peasant. Unlike their Presbyterian counterparts, they did not have the opportunities to get an education or accumulate wealth and were unprepared for the crisis of the 1840's which of course the British blamed on them. However, the British were ahead of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts which did not pass its own legislation allowing Catholics to vote until 1835. This is a capsulized history of the reasons for the persecutions of the various religious groups in Ireland. I hope everyone finds it useful. Tom Ebert --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Lynn <cohoes2@juno.com> wrote: > From: Lynn <cohoes2@juno.com> > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials > To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 7:47 AM > It is interesting that you would mention the Methodist > Church. My GG > randmother immigrated to this country as a widow with four > daughters. They > were Methodists and I have been at sixes and sevens trying > to get > information about them. I have asked Methodists active in > their churches and > they looked at me as if they thought I was crazy. I saw a > notation in a book > that at some time in Irish history the Methodists and the > Presbyterians were > persecuted in Ireland. This was a big surprise to me and > that is the only > reference I have ever seen of such persecution. I suspect > that it was not > from Catholics because at that time they were busy fleeing > religious > persecution themselves. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rebecca Rector" > <rrector1@nycap.rr.com> > To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church > Memorials > > > > Bill - I think this is a great idea! And once we > finish the Catholic > > Churches, it would be nice to do some of the > Protestant Churches also. > > Many > > Irish attended Protestant churches in the area. I > have been computerizing > > the vital records from North 2nd St. Methodist Church > (at Historical > > Society), and I'm seeing more and more Irish > names, especially in the > > later > > records (1880's). > > There also may be other buildings, such as chapels > etc. in the area that > > would have memorial windows. I am currently > researching a family who had > > a > > memorial window at RPI, but sadly, the building burned > in 1904. I wonder > > what happened to those windows?? > > Rebecca (count me in for helping with this project!) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lynn" <cohoes2@juno.com> > > To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data > Base/Church Memorials > > > > > >> You know that when the St. John's (Episcopal) > in Cohoes closed and moved > >> to > >> Vliet St.,the city of Cohoes took over the old > church and now uses the > >> building as the Cohoes Library. I really commend > the politicians who made > >> that possible. They were (of course) anxious to > remove any signs of > >> Christian habitation and in doing so donated four > panels of stained glass > >> windows to the new church. They did retain the > Tiffany windows for > >> obvious > >> reasons. The new church paid to have the windows > restored and mounted in > >> the new church. When researching the windows for > insurance purposes we > >> discovered that they were the work of a man who > survived the holocaust > >> (he > >> was in a concentration camp)and immigrated to this > country where he > >> eventually was commissioned to do windows in the > National Cathedral in > >> Washington. That certainly upped the premium! > >> > >> My point is this; that I have always felt a sense > of sadness and loss > >> when > >> I > >> see windows donated by people to honor their loved > ones dumped along with > >> the churches that housed them. I think it would be > great to try and get > >> some > >> laws on the books to insure that they do not just > crumble and fall apart. > >> Certainly there are new churches that might want > to inherit them and even > >> pay for the restoration and installation in their > churches. I was > >> recently > >> in St. Joseph's church (in Albany now in the > process of restoration) for > >> a > >> concert and it was sad to see how the windows had > deteriorated and how > >> much > >> it was going to cost to have them restored. Is > there any organization > >> that > >> concerns itself with preserving the donated > windows? Even if they just > >> took > >> pictures and recorded the information it would be > a way of honoring the > >> families who often sacrificed to donate a window > in memory of their loved > >> ones. I think they thought it would a memorial > for ever. > >> > >> Another point...someone from Heritage Hunters told > me that someone was > >> transcribing the records from St. Particks church > in Cohoes (closed by > >> the > >> Diocese quite a while ago) but I have not been > able to track that down. > >> The > >> Catholic Diocese should be made aware that people > are interested in > >> transcribing records of churches that are closing. > It drives me crazy > >> when > >> trying to get information and being told that the > records were burned in > >> a > >> fire (like some of military records kept by the > government and census > >> records) or have been destroyed in some other kind > of disaster. The more > >> places the records are kept the safer our > heritage. > >> Anyway just a few thoughts. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <Deerbea5@aol.com> > >> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:45 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data > Base/Church Memorials > >> > >> > >>> Bill > >>> I think this is a fabulous idea When reading > the story about St > >>> Lawrence's > >>> church It Made me think... It would be a > great idea to take photo's > >>> of > >>> the Churches and other historical buildings > to help preserve the > >>> memory > >>> of > >>> them I remember St Lawrence's was a > beautiful Church with Wooden > >>> Altars > >>> Pat > >>> > >>> > >>> In a message dated 7/7/2008 11:35:45 A.M. > Eastern Daylight Time, > >>> seamus@nycap.rr.com writes: > >>> > >>> As a genealogy researcher we think of birth > dates, marriage dates, > >>> death > >>> dates, as the bare bones of an ancestors > record. What the individual > >>> did > >>> in > >>> life, what were the accomplishments, what > sacrifices were made, I > >>> think > >>> add > >>> "flesh" to that ancestors bones and > give us a better picture of that > >>> individual > >>> we never knew. > >>> > >>> If you look at the various TIGS projects on > line, you will see that > >>> approximately seven of the current TIGS > projects reflect this thinking. > >>> For example > >>> with the Alderman data base, we can observe > that our ancestor was a > >>> Alderman > >>> year in and year out in a particular ward in > Troy or with the Bank > >>> Officers > >>> data base we can see a lifetime of service in > a particular Troy Bank. > >>> These > >>> little details of a persons life add some > "flesh" to that persons > >>> history. > >>> > >>> So along this line it would be interesting to > have some list discussion > >>> on > >>> the following idea for a new TIGS project. > >>> > >>> Last year while visiting a son in Ridgefield, > Conn., I attended mass at > >>> St. > >>> Mary's Church and spent some time reading > the various inscriptions on > >>> the > >>> stained glass windows. Lots of information > on these memorials. Family > >>> names, > >>> individual names of family members, some > dates of death, etc. I > >>> thought > >>> then > >>> that this would be an interesting idea for a > TIGS data base on the > >>> various > >>> memorials in Troy area churches. If your > families ancestors scrimped > >>> and > >>> saved > >>> to donate a church memorial which carries the > family name wouldn't; you > >>> like > >>> to know about it? Does this information add > "flesh" to that ancestors > >>> bones? > >>> > >>> As many list members know, over the years > Troy has seen Holy Trinity > >>> Church, > >>> St. Lawrence's Church and St. Jean > deBaptiste Church all closed. If > >>> there > >>> were family names on memorials in these > churches are they still there or > >>> have they been removed? I know the names > from my family's church, St. > >>> Michael's, are long gone as the original > building was destroyed by fire > >>> in > >>> the 1970's. > >>> > >>> With the recent announcement of the possible > closing of the following > >>> churches in Troy, how many more memorials with > our ancestors names will > >>> be lost? > >>> > >>> List of Troy Churches From The Albany Times > Union: > >>> > >>> St. Mary's Church > >>> St. Paul the Apostle Church > >>> St. Peter's Church > >>> St. Francis de Sales Church > >>> St. William's Church > >>> St. Patrick's Church > >>> > >>> So, if any list members have any thoughts on > this idea, pro or con, > >>> they > >>> are > >>> invited to post their comments to the list. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Bill McGrath > >>> TIGS Project Coordinator > >>> Clifton Park, NY > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > >>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > >>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > >>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the > >>> subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> **************Gas prices getting you down? > Search AOL Autos for > >>> fuel-efficient used cars. > >>> > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > >>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > >>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > >>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > >>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ > >> Save hundreds on an Unsecured Loan - Click here. > >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3iTUYK2n8WLEwlfFe8F9hDlF47vRkXdzIhoCnImgKoPWZX/ > >> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > >> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > >> Troy Irish Genealogy Society > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Want to be an interior designer? 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Yes, Tom, thank you very much. This is a valuable piece of information, which I intend to keep. Marianne Arnold On Jul 10, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Thomas J. Ebert wrote: > A bit of a history lesson on religious persecutions in Ireland. > > Presbyterianism was the state religion in Scotland and initially > under James I, Scot Presbyterians, including my Clugston and Conroy > ancestors, were transported from SW Scotland to Ireland to populate > the Ulster Plantation with dependable Protestants. James I had been > raised a Presbyterian. > > His second son, who later became Charles I, was raised as an > Anglican and was suspected of being a secret Catholic. The Anglican > Church had been the established church in Ireland ever since the > separation under Henry VIII as the Church of Ireland. Established > church meant you paid taxes for the support of the church no matter > your personal affiliation. > > As the Stuart dynasty became more English in outlook under Charles > I and II, the Presbyterian faith in anywhere but Scotland became > more suspect. As Scots or descendents of Scots, many Presbyterian > Irish supported the Stuart king, Charles I, during the Civil War > and paid dearly for it at the hands of the English Puritans. > > The Act of Union in 1707, when Queen Anne abolished Scotland as an > independent state further raised the ire of many Scottish > nationalists of every religious hue. > > When the Hanoverians under George I came to the throne in 1714, > many Presbyterians whether in Scotland or Ireland were supporters > of the Stuart pretenders, James III and Charles III so religious > affiliation became more and more of a loyalty test. If you weren't > Church of Ireland, you were suspected as a potential supporter of > the pretenders and/or Scottish nationalism. > > Methodism, started in the mid-1700's) was wildly popular among the > lower classes in England and among Protestants in Ireland and > challenged the authority of the Anglican Church in England and > Ireland, which made Methodism suspect. Also, it was in many ways a > revival of "puritan ideas" and though a much less fanatical format > than its 17th century antecedents, still a threat to the > established order. > > While the Jacobite threat to the Hanoverians ended at the Battle of > Culloden in 1746, no one was ever sure if another Jacobite > rebellion supported by the Scot nationalists would surface. These > conflicts spurred Presbyterian emigration to America including the > Jackson family whose son Andrew would become President. By 1780, > the Jacobite threat was diminishing because Charles was aged and > feeble and the only male Stuart heir was his younger brother, Henry > Stuart, Cardinal of York. > > When Charles died in 1788, Henry proclaimed himself Henry IX. When > he died in 1807, the direct Stuart line came to an end. Charles and > Henry are buried in St. Peter's Basillica. > > In 1782, the Presbyterian Church in Ireland was finally allowed to > conduct its own baptisms and marriages and other forms of > persecution were loosened and eventually removed. But preference in > jobs and other opportunities went to members of the Church of > Ireland. However, the Presbyterians had the ability to accumulate > wealth and an education and could afford to move. They found > emigration to the American colonies and Canada where they became > Scot Irish. They also brought their anti-English, anti-Hanoverian > monarchy sentiments with them which injected a powerful group > promoting American independence. > > As Methodism became a mainstream religion by the end of the 18th > century, persecution against Methodists were also lifted. > > Catholics, of course were a different matter. In Ireland > identification with Catholicism went along with Irish nationalism, > something the British spent four centuries trying to stamp out. > Catholicism was viewed as subversive to the state (allegiance to > the Pope) not only in Ireland but in England and America as well. > George III refused to consider Catholic Emancipation as part of the > Act of Union in 1801. However, in 1829, The Roman Catholic Relief > Act was passed by Parliament to allow Daniel O'Connell to take his > seat in Parliament. > > The passage of the act did nothing to repair the centuries of > persecution, denial of property rights, politicial rights, > education, employment and other basic human rights among Ireland's > poor. Of course, like other persecuted groups, the Irish poor were > then blamed for their illiteracy, lack of property, "shiftless > ways" etc. Nothing changed for the average Irish Catholic peasant. > Unlike their Presbyterian counterparts, they did not have the > opportunities to get an education or accumulate wealth and were > unprepared for the crisis of the 1840's which of course the British > blamed on them. > > However, the British were ahead of the Commonwealth of > Massachusetts which did not pass its own legislation allowing > Catholics to vote until 1835. > > This is a capsulized history of the reasons for the persecutions of > the various religious groups in Ireland. I hope everyone finds it > useful. > > Tom Ebert > > > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Lynn <cohoes2@juno.com> wrote: > >> From: Lynn <cohoes2@juno.com> >> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials >> To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 7:47 AM >> It is interesting that you would mention the Methodist >> Church. My GG >> randmother immigrated to this country as a widow with four >> daughters. They >> were Methodists and I have been at sixes and sevens trying >> to get >> information about them. I have asked Methodists active in >> their churches and >> they looked at me as if they thought I was crazy. I saw a >> notation in a book >> that at some time in Irish history the Methodists and the >> Presbyterians were >> persecuted in Ireland. This was a big surprise to me and >> that is the only >> reference I have ever seen of such persecution. I suspect >> that it was not >> from Catholics because at that time they were busy fleeing >> religious >> persecution themselves. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rebecca Rector" >> <rrector1@nycap.rr.com> >> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church >> Memorials >> >> >>> Bill - I think this is a great idea! And once we >> finish the Catholic >>> Churches, it would be nice to do some of the >> Protestant Churches also. >>> Many >>> Irish attended Protestant churches in the area. I >> have been computerizing >>> the vital records from North 2nd St. Methodist Church >> (at Historical >>> Society), and I'm seeing more and more Irish >> names, especially in the >>> later >>> records (1880's). >>> There also may be other buildings, such as chapels >> etc. in the area that >>> would have memorial windows. I am currently >> researching a family who had >>> a >>> memorial window at RPI, but sadly, the building burned >> in 1904. I wonder >>> what happened to those windows?? >>> Rebecca (count me in for helping with this project!) >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lynn" <cohoes2@juno.com> >>> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:02 AM >>> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data >> Base/Church Memorials >>> >>> >>>> You know that when the St. John's (Episcopal) >> in Cohoes closed and moved >>>> to >>>> Vliet St.,the city of Cohoes took over the old >> church and now uses the >>>> building as the Cohoes Library. I really commend >> the politicians who made >>>> that possible. They were (of course) anxious to >> remove any signs of >>>> Christian habitation and in doing so donated four >> panels of stained glass >>>> windows to the new church. They did retain the >> Tiffany windows for >>>> obvious >>>> reasons. The new church paid to have the windows >> restored and mounted in >>>> the new church. When researching the windows for >> insurance purposes we >>>> discovered that they were the work of a man who >> survived the holocaust >>>> (he >>>> was in a concentration camp)and immigrated to this >> country where he >>>> eventually was commissioned to do windows in the >> National Cathedral in >>>> Washington. That certainly upped the premium! >>>> >>>> My point is this; that I have always felt a sense >> of sadness and loss >>>> when >>>> I >>>> see windows donated by people to honor their loved >> ones dumped along with >>>> the churches that housed them. I think it would be >> great to try and get >>>> some >>>> laws on the books to insure that they do not just >> crumble and fall apart. >>>> Certainly there are new churches that might want >> to inherit them and even >>>> pay for the restoration and installation in their >> churches. I was >>>> recently >>>> in St. Joseph's church (in Albany now in the >> process of restoration) for >>>> a >>>> concert and it was sad to see how the windows had >> deteriorated and how >>>> much >>>> it was going to cost to have them restored. Is >> there any organization >>>> that >>>> concerns itself with preserving the donated >> windows? Even if they just >>>> took >>>> pictures and recorded the information it would be >> a way of honoring the >>>> families who often sacrificed to donate a window >> in memory of their loved >>>> ones. I think they thought it would a memorial >> for ever. >>>> >>>> Another point...someone from Heritage Hunters told >> me that someone was >>>> transcribing the records from St. Particks church >> in Cohoes (closed by >>>> the >>>> Diocese quite a while ago) but I have not been >> able to track that down. >>>> The >>>> Catholic Diocese should be made aware that people >> are interested in >>>> transcribing records of churches that are closing. >> It drives me crazy >>>> when >>>> trying to get information and being told that the >> records were burned in >>>> a >>>> fire (like some of military records kept by the >> government and census >>>> records) or have been destroyed in some other kind >> of disaster. The more >>>> places the records are kept the safer our >> heritage. >>>> Anyway just a few thoughts. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <Deerbea5@aol.com> >>>> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:45 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data >> Base/Church Memorials >>>> >>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> I think this is a fabulous idea When reading >> the story about St >>>>> Lawrence's >>>>> church It Made me think... It would be a >> great idea to take photo's >>>>> of >>>>> the Churches and other historical buildings >> to help preserve the >>>>> memory >>>>> of >>>>> them I remember St Lawrence's was a >> beautiful Church with Wooden >>>>> Altars >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In a message dated 7/7/2008 11:35:45 A.M. >> Eastern Daylight Time, >>>>> seamus@nycap.rr.com writes: >>>>> >>>>> As a genealogy researcher we think of birth >> dates, marriage dates, >>>>> death >>>>> dates, as the bare bones of an ancestors >> record. What the individual >>>>> did >>>>> in >>>>> life, what were the accomplishments, what >> sacrifices were made, I >>>>> think >>>>> add >>>>> "flesh" to that ancestors bones and >> give us a better picture of that >>>>> individual >>>>> we never knew. >>>>> >>>>> If you look at the various TIGS projects on >> line, you will see that >>>>> approximately seven of the current TIGS >> projects reflect this thinking. >>>>> For example >>>>> with the Alderman data base, we can observe >> that our ancestor was a >>>>> Alderman >>>>> year in and year out in a particular ward in >> Troy or with the Bank >>>>> Officers >>>>> data base we can see a lifetime of service in >> a particular Troy Bank. >>>>> These >>>>> little details of a persons life add some >> "flesh" to that persons >>>>> history. >>>>> >>>>> So along this line it would be interesting to >> have some list discussion >>>>> on >>>>> the following idea for a new TIGS project. >>>>> >>>>> Last year while visiting a son in Ridgefield, >> Conn., I attended mass at >>>>> St. >>>>> Mary's Church and spent some time reading >> the various inscriptions on >>>>> the >>>>> stained glass windows. Lots of information >> on these memorials. Family >>>>> names, >>>>> individual names of family members, some >> dates of death, etc. I >>>>> thought >>>>> then >>>>> that this would be an interesting idea for a >> TIGS data base on the >>>>> various >>>>> memorials in Troy area churches. If your >> families ancestors scrimped >>>>> and >>>>> saved >>>>> to donate a church memorial which carries the >> family name wouldn't; you >>>>> like >>>>> to know about it? Does this information add >> "flesh" to that ancestors >>>>> bones? >>>>> >>>>> As many list members know, over the years >> Troy has seen Holy Trinity >>>>> Church, >>>>> St. Lawrence's Church and St. Jean >> deBaptiste Church all closed. If >>>>> there >>>>> were family names on memorials in these >> churches are they still there or >>>>> have they been removed? I know the names >> from my family's church, St. >>>>> Michael's, are long gone as the original >> building was destroyed by fire >>>>> in >>>>> the 1970's. >>>>> >>>>> With the recent announcement of the possible >> closing of the following >>>>> churches in Troy, how many more memorials with >> our ancestors names will >>>>> be lost? >>>>> >>>>> List of Troy Churches From The Albany Times >> Union: >>>>> >>>>> St. Mary's Church >>>>> St. Paul the Apostle Church >>>>> St. Peter's Church >>>>> St. Francis de Sales Church >>>>> St. William's Church >>>>> St. Patrick's Church >>>>> >>>>> So, if any list members have any thoughts on >> this idea, pro or con, >>>>> they >>>>> are >>>>> invited to post their comments to the list. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Bill McGrath >>>>> TIGS Project Coordinator >>>>> Clifton Park, NY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >>>>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >>>>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to >>>>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the >>>>> subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **************Gas prices getting you down? >> Search AOL Autos for >>>>> fuel-efficient used cars. >>>>> >> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) >>>>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >>>>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >>>>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to >>>>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> Save hundreds on an Unsecured Loan - Click here. >>>> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/ >> Ioyw6i3m3iTUYK2n8WLEwlfFe8F9hDlF47vRkXdzIhoCnImgKoPWZX/ >>>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >>>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >>>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to >>>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the >> word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >>> >>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the >> word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >>> >>> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Want to be an interior designer? 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