Years back I spoke to the secretary at St. Peter's. I'm looking for the birth of 5 children (siblings) who were born between 1831 and about 1837. She said they did have baptisms from that era. I had been communicating through e-mail and then I "dropped the ball". I sure would like to try again. One of the 5 is my great grandmother. How would I go about requesting a look up for those church records? Kitty

Hi Rebecca -  I am also looking for folks who were affiliated with St. Peter's. Do you know if they will respond to a written request for info on a couple of   people? Thanks Susan in GA On Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:01 PM, Rebecca Rector via <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> wrote: The Secretary at St. Anthony's (who holds records for St. Peters) always lets me look at the records. The last time I was there, I think she told me that American Canadian Geneal. Society had copied the records (but I'm not positive about this). If they were copied, they will eventually be published and sold to individuals and libraries.  It takes the Society a long time to get records published...  These records will never be online.   Rebecca Rector   Rbinforesearch   Troy, NY   www.rbinforesearch.com ************************* Can someone tell me if and when St Peter's church records will go online at TIGS?  My ancestors were only in Troy for a short period of time from about 1875 to about 1910.  It seems that they only attended St Peter's and I have always had a hard time extracting data from the former office as well as the current one.  Don't want to make waves but would hope that they will allow TIGS to transcribe their records so we don't have to bother them.  I have some brick walls and would love to solve them. Rich Nichols, Greer, SC ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Time for Society Members to pay up their **2014 Dues**.  See the Website for details: Troy Irish Genealogy Society www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Secretary at St. Anthony's (who holds records for St. Peters) always lets me look at the records. The last time I was there, I think she told me that American Canadian Geneal. Society had copied the records (but I'm not positive about this). If they were copied, they will eventually be published and sold to individuals and libraries. It takes the Society a long time to get records published... These records will never be online. Rebecca Rector Rbinforesearch Troy, NY www.rbinforesearch.com ************************* Can someone tell me if and when St Peter's church records will go online at TIGS? My ancestors were only in Troy for a short period of time from about 1875 to about 1910. It seems that they only attended St Peter's and I have always had a hard time extracting data from the former office as well as the current one. Don't want to make waves but would hope that they will allow TIGS to transcribe their records so we don't have to bother them. I have some brick walls and would love to solve them. Rich Nichols, Greer, SC

-----Original Message----- >From: ny-troy-irish-gensoc-request@rootsweb.com >Sent: Jul 20, 2014 3:00 AM >To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com >Subject: NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC Digest, Vol 9, Issue 152 > > > >** NOTE ** >When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: >1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. >2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. >Thank You - List Administrator > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Sat 7/19/14 Shaker Cemetery tour (Christine Connell) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 07:38:13 -0400 >From: Christine Connell <christine.connell@gmail.com> >Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Sat 7/19/14 Shaker Cemetery tour >To: "nyalbany@rootsweb.com" <nyalbany@rootsweb.com>, TIGS > <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: > <CADN+t8icNARn7rbLKrkzi9Op+yStKd155QxdGBwWxEY7uauFPQ@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >I only saw this morning or would have posted sooner: > >Special Tour: The People of Watervliet > >July 19th, 1:00 >$5 per person suggested donation > >The Shakers? focus on community and being ?in union? sometimes makes it >easy to forget that the individuals that lived here had their own histories >and, in some cases, baggage. Join us for a special tour of the Shaker >cemetery as we bring to life the stories of some of Watervliet?s most >influential and interesting residents. This tour will begin at the 1848 >Meeting House and we will walk to the cemetery together, just over a >quarter of a mile away. Limited parking is available near the cemetery. > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC list administrator, send an email to >NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC mailing list, send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC Digest, Vol 9, Issue 152 >****************************************************

I only saw this morning or would have posted sooner: Special Tour: The People of Watervliet July 19th, 1:00 $5 per person suggested donation The Shakers’ focus on community and being “in union” sometimes makes it easy to forget that the individuals that lived here had their own histories and, in some cases, baggage. Join us for a special tour of the Shaker cemetery as we bring to life the stories of some of Watervliet’s most influential and interesting residents. This tour will begin at the 1848 Meeting House and we will walk to the cemetery together, just over a quarter of a mile away. Limited parking is available near the cemetery.

Many thanks, Brad, for your devoted service to this great list. Mary McAuliffe Nigro Mary Nigro -----Original Message----- From: Rich Nichols via <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> To: dkvaughn <dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com>; TIGS mailing list <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com>; ny-troy-irish-gensoc <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 18, 2014 10:10 am Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS sends a big THANK YOU to BRAD MITER I would just like to add my thanks to Brad and I would also send kudos to the entire TIGS volunteers, whoever they are as this is just one of the most helpful group of people.  Many of you are aware of consolidation in genealogy research and increasing costs to join various organizations.  Can someone tell me if and when St Peter's church records will go online at TIGS?  My ancestors were only in Troy for a short period of time from about 1875 to about 1910.  It seems that they only attended St Peter's and I have always had a hard time extracting data from the former office as well as the current one.  Don't want to make waves but would hope that they will allow TIGS to transcribe their records so we don't have to bother them.  I have some brick walls and would love to solve them. Rich Nichols, Greer, SC On Friday, July 18, 2014 10:56 AM, dkvaughn via <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> wrote: At our local TIGS meeting last night, we discussed our mailing list and we want to express our appreciation to BRAD MITER, who served as the List Administrator for several years but is now stepping down.  Brad, you did a fantastic job administering the list, and we want to thank you for your service to TIGS!  The mailing list is such a crucial part of what we do, and much effort goes into this role behind the scenes!  Please keep in touch and know that your efforts were appreciated! Donna Vaughn Membership Chairperson ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Time for Society Members to pay up their **2014 Dues**.  See the Website for details: Troy Irish Genealogy Society www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Time for Society Members to pay up their **2014 Dues**. See the Website for details: Troy Irish Genealogy Society www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You've put if beautifully, Donna. Brad has done a great job, and I wish him all the best in the years to come. Terry -----Original Message----- From: ny-troy-irish-gensoc-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-troy-irish-gensoc-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dkvaughn via Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 10:56 AM To: TIGS mailing list Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS sends a big THANK YOU to BRAD MITER At our local TIGS meeting last night, we discussed our mailing list and we want to express our appreciation to BRAD MITER, who served as the List Administrator for several years but is now stepping down. Brad, you did a fantastic job administering the list, and we want to thank you for your service to TIGS! The mailing list is such a crucial part of what we do, and much effort goes into this role behind the scenes! Please keep in touch and know that your efforts were appreciated! Donna Vaughn Membership Chairperson -------------------------------

Well done. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2014, at 10:55 AM, dkvaughn via <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> wrote: > At our local TIGS meeting last night, we discussed our mailing list and we want to express our appreciation to BRAD MITER, who served as the List Administrator for several years but is now stepping down. Brad, you did a fantastic job administering the list, and we want to thank you for your service to TIGS! The mailing list is such a crucial part of what we do, and much effort goes into this role behind the scenes! Please keep in touch and know that your efforts were appreciated! > > Donna Vaughn > Membership Chairperson > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2014 Dues**. See the Website for details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At our local TIGS meeting last night, we discussed our mailing list and we want to express our appreciation to BRAD MITER, who served as the List Administrator for several years but is now stepping down. Brad, you did a fantastic job administering the list, and we want to thank you for your service to TIGS! The mailing list is such a crucial part of what we do, and much effort goes into this role behind the scenes! Please keep in touch and know that your efforts were appreciated! Donna Vaughn Membership Chairperson

Hear hear!! On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:55 AM, dkvaughn via < ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> wrote: > At our local TIGS meeting last night, we discussed our mailing list and we > want to express our appreciation to BRAD MITER, who served as the List > Administrator for several years but is now stepping down. Brad, you did a > fantastic job administering the list, and we want to thank you for your > service to TIGS! The mailing list is such a crucial part of what we do, > and much effort goes into this role behind the scenes! Please keep in > touch and know that your efforts were appreciated! > > Donna Vaughn > Membership Chairperson > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2014 Dues**. See the Website > for details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To Brad Mitter, Thank you for everything you have done for TIGS.  Sally Finley Harloff, Madison WI On Friday, July 18, 2014 2:28 PM, Kevina Munnich via <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hear hear!! On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:55 AM, dkvaughn via < ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> wrote: > At our local TIGS meeting last night, we discussed our mailing list and we > want to express our appreciation to BRAD MITER, who served as the List > Administrator for several years but is now stepping down.  Brad, you did a > fantastic job administering the list, and we want to thank you for your > service to TIGS!  The mailing list is such a crucial part of what we do, > and much effort goes into this role behind the scenes!  Please keep in > touch and know that your efforts were appreciated! > > Donna Vaughn > Membership Chairperson > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2014 Dues**.  See the Website > for details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Time for Society Members to pay up their **2014 Dues**.  See the Website for details: Troy Irish Genealogy Society www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wheeler, Jessie F. Rensselaer County Cemetery Inscriptions. Vol. 2. Albany, NY: New York State Library, 1943. I copied the part of the above with transcriptions from the Old Catholic Cemetery Lansingburgh next to the village cemetery. It has a number of stones that are not in Frances Broderick’s later transcription, and has some additional information about some of the stones she only partially transcribed. I’ve started adding that to findagrave. There’s a couple Powers there. Was the Powers family of Powers park a Catholic family, or was there more than one Powers family in the Burgh? I also started transcribing a long article “Troy's Tombs.” Troy Daily Times. November 12, 1879 and will share it later. Chris

I would just like to add my thanks to Brad and I would also send kudos to the entire TIGS volunteers, whoever they are as this is just one of the most helpful group of people.  Many of you are aware of consolidation in genealogy research and increasing costs to join various organizations.  Can someone tell me if and when St Peter's church records will go online at TIGS?  My ancestors were only in Troy for a short period of time from about 1875 to about 1910.  It seems that they only attended St Peter's and I have always had a hard time extracting data from the former office as well as the current one.  Don't want to make waves but would hope that they will allow TIGS to transcribe their records so we don't have to bother them.  I have some brick walls and would love to solve them. Rich Nichols, Greer, SC On Friday, July 18, 2014 10:56 AM, dkvaughn via <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> wrote: At our local TIGS meeting last night, we discussed our mailing list and we want to express our appreciation to BRAD MITER, who served as the List Administrator for several years but is now stepping down.  Brad, you did a fantastic job administering the list, and we want to thank you for your service to TIGS!  The mailing list is such a crucial part of what we do, and much effort goes into this role behind the scenes!  Please keep in touch and know that your efforts were appreciated! Donna Vaughn Membership Chairperson ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Time for Society Members to pay up their **2014 Dues**.  See the Website for details: Troy Irish Genealogy Society www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

“In addition to the 1900+ cemeteries regulated by the Cemetery Board, the remaining 4000+ cemeteries are municipal, religious, family and private cemeteries, and are generally not subject to regulation by the Cemetery Board or the Department of State.” http://www.dos.ny.gov/cnsl/cemreg.html "I asked the state's Division of Cemeteries about the situation. A spokesman said the agency has no jurisdiction over municipally owned cemeteries, but its interpretation of state law was nevertheless clear: ‘If the city of Cohoes owns the cemetery in the town of Halfmoon, it must maintain the cemetery.' “The city, then, has ignored a legal obligation to maintain the land, along with its moral obligation.” Churchill, Chris. "Abandoned graves are Cohoes' shame." Albany Times Union. July 14, 2014. http://www.timesunion.com/default/article/Churchill-Abandoned-graves-are-Cohoes-shame-5621448.php Does Cohoes own a section in Union Cemetery, in which case they *would* seem to be subject to regulation, or a separate cemetery adjacent to Union Cemetery? If the latter, what exceptions exist to the general rule that municipal cemeteries are not subject to regulation by the Cemetery Board or the Department of State? What agencies do regulate municipal cemeteries and protect people from abuses like municipal mismanagement, abandonment, desecration, or destruction of municipal cemeteries? In order to move the cemetery from Columbia Street in Cohoes to Crescent, the City of Cohoes had to have bills passed by the NYS Legislature and Governor, e.g. “An act to authorize the city of Cohoes to provide for the removal of bodies, monuments and gravestones from the old burial ground, situated on the north side of Columbia street in said city, to provide a suitable place for the reinterment of said bodies; reinter the same, and to reset the monuments and gravestones; to issue bonds therefor, and sell and to convey the lands now used for said burial ground.” If Cohoes instead permitted headstones to be carted away for use as walkways and dumped other headstones in the Mohawk River, the terms of the bills passed by the NYS Legislature and Governor were violated. "The cemetery committee reported that it had caused to be removed 981 bodies from the old city cemetery; that 949 had been reinterred at Crescent, thirteen at Oakwood, twelve at Waterford and seven at Albany Rural. The cost of removal was $2,044.45. There are still three bodies in the old plat. The report was accepted.” “The Old Cemetery.” Troy Daily Times. February 17, 1897: 4 col 4. "Mayor McDonald explained the city purchased the section to relocate the bodies of Civil War veterans of Cohoes previously buried in what is now West End Park on Columbia Street. When the city decided to replace the cemetery with a park, Mayor McDonald said relocation of the graves in the Crescent Cemetery was decided upon. “‘But I can’t see why we should pay this money annually,' the mayor said, 'when we really aren’t getting any use out of it.' “The mayor said that when the bodies and monuments were moved out of Cohoes, the deceased all were buried in one common grave, and the monuments dumped in the Mohawk River en route to the Crescent Cemetery." Tompkins, Bill. “Cohoes Ponder Future of Unused Cemetery.” Times Record. March 19, 1968: 13 cols 3-4. "We did some research on this park and I thought it might be nice to share some of our findings with you. The reason that we were interested in this park is that we live in one of the houses very near the park. One day a few years back I was doing some landscaping in the back yard. I was removing an old slate walk way and replacing it with grass when I unearthed a very old headstone and then a second headstone shortly after. The stones had once marked the graves of 2 small children, one 5yrs and one 21 months. "Curious as to whether we resided on an old cemetery, we contacted our local historian. What we found out was quite an amazing story. This park, known as West End Park, in 1846 was the Cohoes Company Cemetery!” The Neumanns. "Have a Blast!" Geocaching. November 23, 2009. http://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC21B9E_have-a-blast?guid=f804723c-d3f2-4709-9924-6f7b47df3813 Incidentally most of the e-mail addresses for Cohoes Common Council members given at http://www.cohoes.com/Cit-e-Access/ContactInfo/?TID=34 (a page with the copyright date of 2009) don’t appear to work. It might be difficult for the Mayor to enlist volunteers if it’s not possible to communicate with him. I did not receive a similar error message with respect to the Ethics Board’s address, however I have not received a reply from them regarding my question “Are there e-mail addresses for the members of the Common Council that work?” Thanks for any help you can provide, Chris Philippo Begin forwarded message: > From: Christopher Philippo <toff@mac.com> > Subject: Fwd: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed > Date: July 15, 2014 at 11:51:11 AM EDT > To: ethics-board@ci.cohoes.ny.us > > Are there e-mail addresses for the members of the Common Council that work? > > Thanks, > > Chris Philippo > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: postmaster@mac.com >> Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed >> Date: July 15, 2014 at 11:47:19 AM EDT >> To: toff@mac.com >> >> This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields: >> >> Message-id: <D67B143C-8495-4C21-B379-EEE7233B40F6@mac.com> >> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:47:04 -0400 >> From: Christopher Philippo 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Diagnostic-code: smtp;550 5.7.1 Command not allowed >> >> From: Christopher Philippo <toff@mac.com> >> Subject: "Abandoned graves are Cohoes' shame" >> Date: July 15, 2014 at 11:47:04 AM EDT >> To: gprimeau@ci.cohoes.ny.us, akennedy@ci.cohoes.ny.us, fturcotte@ci.cohoes.ny.us, dnolin@ci.cohoes.ny.us, rceccuci@ci.cohoes.ny.us, rsignoracci@ci.cohoes.ny.us >> >> >> “Primeau isn't ready to send city workers, but he said there might be alternatives. He wondered if he could enlist a volunteer organization to help clear the land." >> Churchill, Chris. "Abandoned graves are Cohoes' shame." Albany Times Union. July 14, 2014. http://www.timesunion.com/default/article/Churchill-Abandoned-graves-are-Cohoes-shame-5621448.php >> >> I’m willing to help. >> >> Are the northern and eastern boundaries of it marked? >> >> Chris Philippo

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014, at 07:52:00 -0400, Christine Connell wrote: > > Google maps shows this cemetery in Halfmoon, off Rt9 (second right past the Stewarts shop) The entrance is from Route 9/Halfmoon Parkway just past what Google Maps currently has labeled as Fitzpatrick Lane but which the street sign calls St. Mary’s Lane. On Tue, 15 Jul 2014, at 12:08:30 -0400, Tom Breedlove wrote: > According to its website, http://www.dos.ny.gov/, the New York Dept. of State: "The Division oversees the establishment, maintenance, and preservation > of burial grounds for all not-for-profit cemeteries in New York." > Perhaps this agency should be queried as to what responsibility Cohoes, or any municipality, would have for its burial ground(s). I’d tried asking the Division of Cemeteries in the past about what exceptions to the general rule whereby they don’t have jurisdiction over any cemeteries other than not-for-profit ones, but had little luck getting an answer. “In addition to the 1900+ cemeteries regulated by the Cemetery Board, the remaining 4000+ cemeteries are municipal, religious, family and private cemeteries, and are generally not subject to regulation by the Cemetery Board or the Department of State.” http://www.dos.ny.gov/cnsl/cemreg.html Without regulation of municipal, religious, family and private cemeteries one winds up with things like Cohoes moving their city cemetery from Columbia Street in Cohoes to Crescent and then abandoning it, Troy bulldozing the original Mount Ida Cemetery at the foot of Cypress Street, etc. and similar abuses at some religious cemeteries and there’s by and large no consequences. Chris

According to its website, http://www.dos.ny.gov/, the New York Dept. of State: "The Division oversees the establishment, maintenance, and preservation of burial grounds for all not-for-profit cemeteries in New York." Perhaps this agency should be queried as to what responsibility Cohoes, or any municipality, would have for its burial ground(s). Tom Breedlove > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 09:17:28 -0400 > To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] "Abandoned graves are Cohoes' shame" > From: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com > > Churchill, Chris. "Abandoned graves are Cohoes' shame." Albany Times Union. July 14, 2014. http://www.timesunion.com/default/article/Churchill-Abandoned-graves-are-Cohoes-shame-5621448.php > > It’s nice to see it covered in the paper, though Churchill leaves a lot unresolved. Does Cohoes own a part of Union Cemetery, or its own cemetery next to Union Cemetery? How much of the area did Cohoes actually lay out and use for the reinterments from the Columbia Street City Cemetery and how much was used for later burials of poor or unknown persons? (While the map at http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&PIcrid=2281947&PIpi=67549562&PIMode=cemetery suggests the entire Cohoes part was laid out, I’m not sure if that was actually done or just a proposal.) Were all headstones moved there from Columbia Street or discarded for use as walkways in Cohoes and/or dumped in the Mohawk River as has been reported? Can Cohoes legally abandon the cemetery as they’ve done, or must they do something about it? If they continue not to do anything about it what are the consequences, if any? > > Some things in the article that aren’t quite accurate: > > “Part of the cemetery is owned by the city of Cohoes, but has fallen into disrepair in recent years” In fact, the city cemetery had fallen into disrepair as early as 1852, well prior to its removal to Crescent. After being moved to Crescent in 1896 Cohoes soon (if not immediately) started using it as a potters’ field. It’s not clear that it was ever in good condition, but Cohoes stopped paying for maintenance in 1952 and it was reported to be “in very poor condition” in 1968 - sunken graves and “overgrown with trees.” Out of sight (and city!), out of mind. > > “She's recorded surnames from tombstones worn nearly clean by time. Among them are Sullivan, Byron, Cosgrove, Powers, Olinskly [sic], White and Wilson”: those are some of the names of people we know from old newspaper articles ought to be buried back there somewhere, not ones on tombstones that have been found. > > Rachel Homes; Alice A. Gray Lappeus and Jesse A. Lappeus; Adam Miller; Harriet Place; Ann, James, John, Martha, and Roberta Rogerson are some of the names that have been recorded back there - and most of them are still pretty legible, just dirty or partly hidden by the ground. There’s an interesting double headstone that seems to be from the 1830s that is pretty worn, though. > > “Primeau isn't ready to send city workers, but he said there might be alternatives. He wondered if he could enlist a volunteer organization to help clear the land." > > Would Mayor Primeau be willing to enlist volunteers for all code violations by individuals and companies in Cohoes? If not, why should the City be entitled to different treatment for city-owned property? I’m not sure what the solution is, but the lack of oversight for municipal cemeteries is clearly a serious problem. > > Chris > > Cohoes City Cemetery > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Mt-S77wZKfOGdzY0pLMUxCOU0/edit?usp=sharing > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2014 Dues**. See the Website for details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Churchill, Chris. "Abandoned graves are Cohoes' shame." Albany Times Union. July 14, 2014. http://www.timesunion.com/default/article/Churchill-Abandoned-graves-are-Cohoes-shame-5621448.php It’s nice to see it covered in the paper, though Churchill leaves a lot unresolved. Does Cohoes own a part of Union Cemetery, or its own cemetery next to Union Cemetery? How much of the area did Cohoes actually lay out and use for the reinterments from the Columbia Street City Cemetery and how much was used for later burials of poor or unknown persons? (While the map at http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&PIcrid=2281947&PIpi=67549562&PIMode=cemetery suggests the entire Cohoes part was laid out, I’m not sure if that was actually done or just a proposal.) Were all headstones moved there from Columbia Street or discarded for use as walkways in Cohoes and/or dumped in the Mohawk River as has been reported? Can Cohoes legally abandon the cemetery as they’ve done, or must they do something about it? If they continue not to do anything about it what are the consequences, if any? Some things in the article that aren’t quite accurate: “Part of the cemetery is owned by the city of Cohoes, but has fallen into disrepair in recent years” In fact, the city cemetery had fallen into disrepair as early as 1852, well prior to its removal to Crescent. After being moved to Crescent in 1896 Cohoes soon (if not immediately) started using it as a potters’ field. It’s not clear that it was ever in good condition, but Cohoes stopped paying for maintenance in 1952 and it was reported to be “in very poor condition” in 1968 - sunken graves and “overgrown with trees.” Out of sight (and city!), out of mind. “She's recorded surnames from tombstones worn nearly clean by time. Among them are Sullivan, Byron, Cosgrove, Powers, Olinskly [sic], White and Wilson”: those are some of the names of people we know from old newspaper articles ought to be buried back there somewhere, not ones on tombstones that have been found. Rachel Homes; Alice A. Gray Lappeus and Jesse A. Lappeus; Adam Miller; Harriet Place; Ann, James, John, Martha, and Roberta Rogerson are some of the names that have been recorded back there - and most of them are still pretty legible, just dirty or partly hidden by the ground. There’s an interesting double headstone that seems to be from the 1830s that is pretty worn, though. “Primeau isn't ready to send city workers, but he said there might be alternatives. He wondered if he could enlist a volunteer organization to help clear the land." Would Mayor Primeau be willing to enlist volunteers for all code violations by individuals and companies in Cohoes? If not, why should the City be entitled to different treatment for city-owned property? I’m not sure what the solution is, but the lack of oversight for municipal cemeteries is clearly a serious problem. Chris Cohoes City Cemetery https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Mt-S77wZKfOGdzY0pLMUxCOU0/edit?usp=sharing

This morning's Times Union (7/15/14) has a story, with photos, of an abandoned section of a Halfmoon cemetery holding graves relocated-from-Cohoes Here's the story: http://www.timesunion.com/local/articleGallery/Churchill-Abandoned-graves-are-Cohoes-shame-5621448.php Google maps shows this cemetery in Halfmoon, off Rt9 (second right past the Stewarts shop)

On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:33 PM, Christine Connell <christine.connell@gmail.com> wrote: > Tonight at the Watervliet Historical Society meeting, John Connors told me that what he called the "Watervliet City Cemetery" was under the site of the current Fenimore Trace apartments at the top of 19th street hill in Watervliet. John said that he was there in 1972, when the wooden caskets, largely disintegrated, and bodies were disinterred and "all that was left" was reburied at St Patrick's. He recalled seeing only a few crumbling headstones. He mentioned that Joe Konicek (noted in the 7/14/1973 TimesRecord story you referenced http://bit.ly/WdS3tO) and Fr Bill Hayden, pastor of St Patrick's, oversaw the dis-internment and re-internment. He said he had no idea of the number of burials, but that he understood that it had been used at least until 1918, when flu victims were buried there. Unusual that they’d bury Protestants at a Catholic cemetery. It didn’t seem that many bodies were moved in the 1970s and that the area was outside of where the cemetery was thought to be. If it was used from the 1830s into the 1910s not just by Watervliet but also Colonie, I’d except hundreds. http://www.konicekandcollettfuneralhome.com has no records of the 1970s reinterments, unfortunately. I tried writing http://www.fenimoretrace.com/AlbanyRegion/FenimoreTrace.aspx but have heard nothing back. Haven’t tried the developers or the City yet. One of my correspondents sent me something about a tunnel near the intersection of Boght Rd and Haswell Rd he’d seen decades ago, “a brick arch tunnel, probably 5’ high from floor to the top of the arch. The tunnel led in an east-westerly direction” and that one of his teachers had seen “an old oak door built into the side of a hill” in that area. He had no idea what that might have been, nor do I! It would’ve been too far north to be part of the cemetery, though. Chris

Tonight at the Watervliet Historical Society meeting, John Connors told me that what he called the "Watervliet City Cemetery" was under the site of the current Fenimore Trace apartments at the top of 19th street hill in Watervliet. John said that he was there in 1972, when the wooden caskets, largely disintegrated, and bodies were disinterred and "all that was left" was reburied at St Patrick's. He recalled seeing only a few crumbling headstones. He mentioned that Joe Konicek (noted in the 7/14/1973 TimesRecord story you referenced http://bit.ly/WdS3tO) and Fr Bill Hayden, pastor of St Patrick's, oversaw the dis-internment and re-internment. He said he had no idea of the number of burials, but that he understood that it had been used at least until 1918, when flu victims were buried there. On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:49 PM, <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Watervliet used to have a cemetery west of the Boght Road, north of the > Fenimore Trace Apartments on Nineteenth Street, supposedly about twelve > acres in size. On an 1891 map the cemetery seemed to have been north of > where 26th Street would be if the road extended that far west - which would > put it well north of Fenimore Trace. Some bodies were found at Fenimore > Trace Apartments in 1973, though, after some had already been moved in 1972. > >