Join us for our next meeting, November 20 at the Park Pub, 2701 Lavin Court in Troy. 6:30 PM Start. Please RSVP me if you plan to attend. Thank you, Gerri gerrisherry@outlook.com

Good point Stan. - Gerri > To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:52:29 -0400 > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] photos of Troy burial books > From: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com > > Hear you, but I'd suggest the boat not be rocked until the chance to > photograph them is complete. Who knows what rules or roadblocks another > department might impose! > > - Stan Broderick >

On Nov 9, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Debby Masterson <diggum@embarqmail.com> wrote: > does anyone know if vital records of the interim dates are recorded anywhere? I don’t know of any, but they could be hiding in some dusty place. It’s lucky that even the few years were copied in 1915. I’ll post the photos of the Vital Records of Rensselaer County, New York Births tomorrow. I’m not planning to transcribe them myself as I have a number of other things taking priority at the moment. The Journal of Proceedings of the Rensselaer County Board of Supervisors has some interesting bits, e.g. the Superintendent of Burials of Indigent Soldiers, Sailors and Marines of All Wars’ September 30, 1926 report included in part: > In Oakwood Cemetery, in the soldiers’ lot, there are eleven graves unmarked. The Trustees will not allow marble stones to be placed there as those formerly furnished were granite stone and they want all stones in the lot to be uniform. > St. Agnes’ Cemetery will not allow marble stones to be erected as they only use granite there. If your honorable body wishes to provide stones for the soldiers whose graves are unmarked in Oakwood and St. Agnes’ cemeteries it will be necessary to make a contract with someone who deals in granite as they present contractor does not handle granite. > In the Rural Cemetery the headstones furnished by the government will not be received as there is quite a difference in the dimensions. Chris

I will be happy to do some transcription if y’all need some help! BTW, does anyone know if vital records of the interim dates are recorded anywhere? When I worked at the FHC in Tucson I was never able to find any microfilm for 1851-1873 dates. My great grandmother Clara Belle DeFreest was married in 1862 and it was frustrating that I could never find her marriage record. Debby Masterson, CC Rensselaer Co. GenWeb > On Nov 8, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Christopher Philippo via <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Rensselaer County Vital Records > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrensse/rcvitals.htm > > They seem to have thoroughly transcribed the data from "Vital Records of Rensselaer County, New York. Deaths 1847-1851”, putting it in an order (the typescript in the library seems practically random). > > However, “Vital records of Rensselaer County, New York: births 1846-1850” and “Vital records of Rensselaer County, New York: marraiges 1846-1850, 1874-1881” don’t appear to have been transcribed. I’ll take digital photos of those next time I’m there - maybe today? > > Something else the GenWeb wasn’t able to complete was the “Index to Some Deaths Appearing in > Lansingburgh Newspapers, 1787-1850” http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrensse/obits1.htm That info came “from Vol. 23, Nos. 2 and 3 and from Vol. 24, No. 3 of Tree Talks, published by the Central New York Genealogical Society in September 1983 and 1984.” They didn’t have access to “the issues of Tree Talks containing surnames A-L, nor issues containing surnames after Young”. Those would be worth finding! Possibly, though, that’s the TIGS project in the works “Deaths & Marriages - 1787-1895 From 10 Lansingburgh Newspapers”? > > Chris > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2014 Dues**. See the Website for details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dieseth, Gladys Joan. Vital Records of Rensselaer County, New York Marriages 1846-1850, 1874-1881. NY: 1942. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7Mt-S77wZKfWFdId2hfSndZYnM&usp=sharing Above-linked folder contains photos of all the pages except 38 and 42, which came out blurry and I’ll have to reshoot. The entries don’t appear to be online in any form at present. Some examples: “DAVIS Richard M., Troy, and Clementin Prince, Troy, m. 30 Nov. 1876, Troy” “HEARTT Daniel, 60, Troy, and Catharine Money, 45, Troy, m. 22 Apr. 1849, Grafton” “McKEY James, Troy, and Bridget Riley, Troy, m. 19 Mar. 1849, Lansingburgh” “WILSON, William, Troy, and Mary Ann Morey, Troy, m. 10 June 1849, Troy” “ZUFELT, William, Lansingburgh, and Hester Hatfield, Lansingburgh, m. 18 July 1849, Lansingburgh” > VITAL RECORDS OF RENSSELAER COUNTY, NEW YORK > GENERAL PREFACE > On the 28th of April 1847 the New York State Legislature passed “An Act Providing for the Registry of Births, Marriages and Deaths” (Chapter 152, Laws of 1846). This act required that these vital statistics be recorded by the clerks of the various school districts and turned over by them to the town clerks, who were to send the records to the Secretary of State; they were then to be deposited with the Legislature. This law was soon ignored, but not repealed until 17 February 1909 (Chapter 49, Laws of 1909); meanwhile adequate and systematic registration of vital statistics had been assured by legislation in the early 1880’s. Vital records kept in accordance with the 1847 act undoubtedly exist in various county seats of the state. > The records in these volumes were found about 1915 on loose sheets of paper in the cellar of the Rensselaer County Court House in Troy by Frank Warner Thomas (1859-1922), Troy attorney and friend of the writer. Mr. Frank Thomas made a draft of this material at the time, and in 1921 turned the draft over to the present writer for editing and publication in this form. In the early part of 1922, an effort was made to locate the original records in the Troy court house, but they were not found in a long and careful search through great masses of old papers in the room in which the records were stored in 1915. The writer regrets that it was not possible to compare Mr. Frank Thomas’s copy with the original records, since there are some cases where the spelling of names was in doubt. nevertheless, this does not seriously detract from the value of Mr. Thomas’s contribution, since the area in the period covered is notably deficient in genealogical records. > PREFACE TO THE MARRIAGE RECORDS > The marriage records from several towns have been arranged in a single alphabet in this volume. The complete entry is given under the husband’s name only. It should be observed that there is no distinction between spinsters and widows in these records. > Ten marriages from 1874 to 1881 found in the copy are included in their alphabetical places. > Many of these marriages were undoubtedly recorded with fuller information in the Troy and Lansingburgh newspapers of the time; searchers are advised to consult the file of these journals in the Troy Public Library and the New York State Library. > M.H.T.

I just used Vital Records of Renss Co., 1847-1850 (marriages) at the State Library 2 weeks ago. Rebecca -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Philippo via Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 11:17 AM To: TIGS Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Lansingburgh deaths in 1848, 1849,and 1851 Rensselaer County Vital Records http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrensse/rcvitals.htm They seem to have thoroughly transcribed the data from "Vital Records of Rensselaer County, New York. Deaths 1847-1851”, putting it in an order (the typescript in the library seems practically random). However, “Vital records of Rensselaer County, New York: births 1846-1850” and “Vital records of Rensselaer County, New York: marraiges 1846-1850, 1874-1881” don’t appear to have been transcribed. I’ll take digital photos of those next time I’m there - maybe today? Something else the GenWeb wasn’t able to complete was the “Index to Some Deaths Appearing in Lansingburgh Newspapers, 1787-1850” http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrensse/obits1.htm That info came “from Vol. 23, Nos. 2 and 3 and from Vol. 24, No. 3 of Tree Talks, published by the Central New York Genealogical Society in September 1983 and 1984.” They didn’t have access to “the issues of Tree Talks containing surnames A-L, nor issues containing surnames after Young”. Those would be worth finding! Possibly, though, that’s the TIGS project in the works “Deaths & Marriages - 1787-1895 From 10 Lansingburgh Newspapers”? Chris ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Time for Society Members to pay up their **2014 Dues**. See the Website for details: Troy Irish Genealogy Society www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rensselaer County Vital Records http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrensse/rcvitals.htm They seem to have thoroughly transcribed the data from "Vital Records of Rensselaer County, New York. Deaths 1847-1851”, putting it in an order (the typescript in the library seems practically random). However, “Vital records of Rensselaer County, New York: births 1846-1850” and “Vital records of Rensselaer County, New York: marraiges 1846-1850, 1874-1881” don’t appear to have been transcribed. I’ll take digital photos of those next time I’m there - maybe today? Something else the GenWeb wasn’t able to complete was the “Index to Some Deaths Appearing in Lansingburgh Newspapers, 1787-1850” http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrensse/obits1.htm That info came “from Vol. 23, Nos. 2 and 3 and from Vol. 24, No. 3 of Tree Talks, published by the Central New York Genealogical Society in September 1983 and 1984.” They didn’t have access to “the issues of Tree Talks containing surnames A-L, nor issues containing surnames after Young”. Those would be worth finding! Possibly, though, that’s the TIGS project in the works “Deaths & Marriages - 1787-1895 From 10 Lansingburgh Newspapers”? Chris

Another interesting item at the NYS Library I haven’t seen but may consult: Genealogy papers Wheeler, Jessie F., 1858-1946. 15 boxes (5.0 cubic ft.) Unpublished inventory available in repository. > Genealogical and biographical material and family records for over 200 families in the Troy and Rensselaer County, N.Y. area. Included are articles, notes, clippings and other materials relating to Troy, slavery and the Emma Willard School. What 200+ families, I wonder? Another interesting item: Records of an investigation into the administration of the Rensselaer County Almshouse, 1905-1906 New York (State). State Board of Charities. > Transcripts of testimony, letters, and depositions provide information on conditions and treatment of inmates at the Rensselaer County Almshouse. This investigation was conducted by Robert W. Hill, Superintendent of State and Alien Poor, at the request of the Board of Charities. The series contains the following: transcripts of testimony of officials, employees, and inmates of the almshouse taken at hearings held in late-November 1905: the testimony covers routine operations of the institution, conduct and efficiency of the staff, and treatment of inmates, and special attention is given to the case of alleged abuse of almshouse hospital patients by male nurse William Wilmont; letters, notes,, and depositions of employees and inmates describing abuse of patients by Wilmot: one letter from an inmate charges institution officials with misconduct; and transcripts of testimony of institution officials, employees, and inmates in a volume labeled "The People agst. William Wilmot.! " Apparently Wilmot was brought to trial in March 1906 as result of the investigation. Hopefully those documents might have some info about the Rensselaer County Almshouse Cemetery in Troy, since RensCo has thus far failed to fulfill my May 15, 2014 Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request for “Records pertaining to the Rensselaer County Farm Cemetery, which might include but not be limited to: cemetery map(s), list(s) of interments, cemetery markers, reinterments (if any), property ownership and management, photographs, aerial photos, what was done with the skull found in 1954, etc.” In a letter dated November 3, 2014, Rensselaer County Attorney Stephen A. Pechenik indicates that they’ll need “a minimum of another 60 days to comply” ( https://www.muckrock.com/foi/rensselaer-county-7319/rensselaer-county-farm-almshouse-cemetery-records-11755/#1353894-interim-response ). Agencies are generally supposed to comply with a request within five days, twenty days at most ( http://www.dos.ny.gov/coog/freedomfaq.html#wait ). Over 200 days…? Well, at least they haven’t simply ignored or denied the request - though in the end they may state their search turned up nothing. Chris

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrensse/deaths2.htm http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrensse/deaths3.htm http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrensse/deaths5.htm The preface to the typescript edited by Milton Thomas, only summarized above, includes the following that I transcribed from the copy in the State Library: > These records were discovered and copied around 1915 by the writer’s friend, Frank Warner Thomas, a prominent Troy lawyer and historian, and were lent to the writer in 1921. The records as found were on sheets of paper and were carelessly kept on a dusty shelf in the cellar of the Rensselaer County Court House at Troy. The records were kept in accordance with Chapter 152 of the laws of 1847 of the State of New York: “An act providing for the registry of births, marriages and deaths.” This law was passed 28 April 1847. It required that the records be kept by the clerks of the various school districts, and turned over by them to the town clerks, who in turn were to send them to the Secretary of State. What was left of them was then to be turned over to the Legislature. This law was soon ignored, but not repealed until 17 February 1909, when Chapter 49 of the Laws of 1909 was passed. The only other county known to the writer to possess any records kep! t under this law is Suffolk, although they may exist elsewhere. The present law under which vital statistics are kept was passed about 1882. To go back, however, --- the room in which these records were found is partly lined with old bookcases and cabinets filled with dusty books and legal papers. An effort was made in the early part of 1922 to find the originals, but among that mass of old papers it was impossible to locate them. This is greatly to be regretted, for Mr Frank Thomas’s copy is unfortunately very poorly typewritten; it was probably run off in great haste, and there are many queer spellings which may or may not be typographical errors. Most of these spellings have been retained, but when it was quite evident that Mr Thomas had struck the wrong key, the writer did not hesitate to make the necessary correction. > On the 24th of March, 1922, Mr Frank Thomas was run down by an automobile truck as he left a street car, and he died April 3rd as a result of his injuries. Troy was thus deprived of an honored citizen, a skilful and successful title lawyer, and a painstaking historian and genealogist. > As to the records themselves, they are a valuable contribution to the genealogical literature of this section as they cover a period for which there are no regularly recorded vital statistics, and for which the genealogist has to depend upon church records and gravestone inscriptions almost entirely. It will be noticed that no distinction is made in the records between married and single women. > One of the chief values of these records willbe that of an index to the death notices published in the local newspapers, of which the Troy Public Library has a large and valuable collection. The marriages and births found with these deaths will be made into other volumes shortly. The writer also expects to copy the deaths and marriages affixed to the census rolls now in the cellar room where this material was found. The NYS Library catalog does include an entry for “Vital records of Rensselaer County, New York: births 1846-1850” and “Vital records of Rensselaer County, New York: marraiges 1846-1850, 1874-1881", which I’ll have to look for next time I’m there. Though I’d doubt if in 2014 the papers found by Frank Warner Thomas in 1915 are still around when they could not even be relocated in 1922, one wishes that a search of old records and an inventory of the old records could be accomplished. If only the New York State Historical Records Survey Project still existed! It was one of the many beneficial projects that existed under the Works Progress Administration. As a NYSL catalog entry states of the project: > The survey of county records reached different stages of completion in different counties. Inventories for six counties were published: Albany, Broome, Cattaraugus, Chautauqua, Chemung, and Ulster. The following county offices were included in the survey: board of supervisors; courts (civil and criminal); county clerk; surrogate; children’s court; commissioner of jurors; sheriff; district attorney; county attorney; probation officer; county treasurer; comptroller; auditor; purchasing agent; commissioner of public welfare; tuberculosis hospital; county nurse; county laboratory; county veterinarian; highway department; board of elections; sealer of weights and measures; alcoholic beverage control board; farm bureau; home bureau; and 4-H club. Chris

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Thanks Terry, I have searched the directories and got some info from them, but I really wanted to see the census. Pat On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Terry Bora <terrybora@wowway.com> wrote: > Pat, Cohoes should be listed under Albany Co. in the 1892 Census, but it > isn't. I know the Directories aren't anywhere near as good as the > censuses, > but if you're looking for someone in Cohoes and have access to the Troy > Directories, you'll find that Cohoes is also a part of that Directory. The > other two Albany Co. cities in the Troy Directories are West Troy and Green > Island. Also listed is Waterford (Saratoga Co.). > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] 1892 NYS Census > > I never knew before why I couldn't find the census records for Cohoes . > Thanks. PAT B > > > On Oct 29, 2014 9:37 AM, "Dfmarr via" <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > The 1892 NYS census is available free at familysearch.org. > > > > Unfortunately, Rensselaer is among the counties whose records have > > been lost. > > > > > > > Dennis Marr > > Troy, NY > >

Chris, I cannot thank you enough for all the fabulous cemetery work you have been doing. For those of us living far from Troy and still hunting for our ancestors, your work is invaluable. Thank you very much. > 1. Lansingburgh cemetery notes circa 1915 (Christopher Philippo) > > > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Mt-S77wZKfckpZQmt2YzlEbVk/view?usp=sharing Linked is a quick transcript of the DAR’s handwritten notes in the scrapbook in the Troy Library, but I still need to proofread it. Unlike the June 19, 1916 Troy Record article “Ancient Citizens of Lansingburgh” which reprinted the info in alphabetical order (and without the annotations), it seems to be organized somewhat by position in the cemetery. They didn’t start in the front and work to the back or in any obvious pattern, but there are groupings of stones I recognize. Sturges, Denison, Haggarty, and Noble are all close to each other, for example. It should serve as an aid in finding stones that are unaccounted for now. First page of the handwritten notes in the scrapbook: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Mt-S77wZKfaW51QzNSYVJobDA/view?usp=sharing First page of the 1916 article apparently prepared from the notes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Mt-S77wZKfMFdtTEwxZWZGMGs/view?usp=sharing Some of the notes they’d made are interesting: “so covered with grape vines that rendered it impossible for me to cut my way thro”; “covered up to that extent by lilacs, as to compel the use of a knife to get near them”; “The whole of this lot covered with sumac + tall weeds”. I’m glad the vines and sumac are gone, but lilac would’ve been nice to see and smell there. The newspaper article merely described it as “unkempt and overgrown with weeds and shrubbery.” Oddly, they missed transcribing groups of stones, like Capt. Samuel Hickok and his wife. Perhaps those were down at the time, or inaccessible due to growth. In other news, Alysia and Ed have added photos for a couple small old Brunswick cemeteries: Aiken’s Corners Cemetery http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2557415 Michael Cipperly Cemetery http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2558598 Chris Philippo

Pat, Cohoes should be listed under Albany Co. in the 1892 Census, but it isn't. I know the Directories aren't anywhere near as good as the censuses, but if you're looking for someone in Cohoes and have access to the Troy Directories, you'll find that Cohoes is also a part of that Directory. The other two Albany Co. cities in the Troy Directories are West Troy and Green Island. Also listed is Waterford (Saratoga Co.). Terry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] 1892 NYS Census I never knew before why I couldn't find the census records for Cohoes . Thanks. PAT B On Oct 29, 2014 9:37 AM, "Dfmarr via" <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The 1892 NYS census is available free at familysearch.org. > > Unfortunately, Rensselaer is among the counties whose records have > been lost. > > > > Dennis Marr > Troy, NY

Saturday Nov 1 - TIGS volunteers welcome to help (complete) mapping at the Lansingburgh Village Burial Ground (LVBG) starting around 9-9:30am. > From: mebkelleher@gmail.com > Date: November 1, 2014 at 6:02:09 AM EDTSubject: Re: LVBG mapping > Hi Chris, > > Yes, it's a go for 9-9:30 AM > See you then and thank you! > > Mary Ellen > ------Original Message------ > From: Christopher Philippo > Subject: Re: LVBG mapping > Sent: Oct 31, 2014 11:50 PM > >> On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:00 AM, jward26@nycap.rr.com wrote: >> I would like to continue mapping(possibly finish) LVBG on Saturday Nov 1 at 9:30 AM weather permitting. If this looks good for everyone please let me know. Mary Ellen I will let you know if we need to change this otherwise could you add this date to the Burger site and LHS( if that site is fully reconstructed and running). Thanks to all, John Ward > > Is the plan still to start at 9:30 AM? Weather seems like it will be OK in the morning at least. >

For the lady seeking research assistance in the Saranac Lake, NY area, I suggest that she check the web site of the Assn. of Professional Genealogists. You can search for researchers by location, specialty, etc. I am a member and can state that APG members are very good. Go to: https://www.apgen.org/ Dennis Marr Troy, NY