Lois, My McCracken is David McCracken born c 1840 in Belfast? He married Margaret Hoey (from Co Armagh) and they settled in NYC in the 1860's. In fact, I have no proof of marriage and believe that it may have been a common-law relationship. Margaret Hoey McCracken had three children and only one lived to maturity, my ggm, Delia McCracken Boettjer (1867) . David based on census records operated/owned a liquor store on the lower west side of Manhattan and was a seaman. Family lore says that he and his son drowned - maybe at sea? I know nothing about a third child. I did find David married (certified) to a Rose O'Brien McCracken with a son John Whitton McCracken and I believe that this is the same person as the birth record lists David's occupation as "seaman." It is also possible that David and Margaret were married but more research is still needed - so far no record found in NYC. David could be a sibling to your contact in Antrim. Also family lore says that this David was related to the famous or infamous Henry Joy McCracken of the Rebellion of 1798 fame. It is odd that this famous McCracken family hasn't had much play in later years in genealogy. There are many who can claim a connection to one of Henry Joy's brothers but it amazes me that this large family has not had much play in current genealogy circles. Rich in Greer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois" <lantana@npgcable.com> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] It is History that opens up doors >I know of someone on TIGS who has contact in Rasharkin, Antrim with > knowledge of a McCracken family looking for what happened to one of theirs > who emigrated to America and have no trace., namely John McCracken who > married Ann Powers. > The info he shared with me is that John had two sisters, Sarah Jane, > born abt 1839 and Mary Ann born abt 1848; their parents William McCracken > and Eliza Wilson. I have located a John McCracken on the 1900 census in > Watervliet but wife is Minnie, not Annie. Their daughter Lillian E. was > born in 1899. Any connection? > Lois in AZ > > Rich Nichols wrote: > >>This group has no idea how much all of us who belong appreciate the >>dedication that goes into providing us with help, lookups, advice, ideas, >>bits of history, etc. You are a wonderful bunch of leprechauns who always >>seems to direct us to that "pot o gold" in our own research or just >>additional general knowledge. >> >>With the administrator's kind indulgence - I know that my McCracken's >>from County Antrim originally came from Scotland (but when I don't know). >>My Wynne's from County Sligo arrived in Sligo from England in the >>mid-1700's from a "disenchanted with the King" - Wynne family member. My >>Clayton's from County Cork left Ireland for England in the early 1800's >>and may have originally been English as well. There are other's in my >>Irish lines who may also be of English, Scottish or Welsh heritage but >>only time and more research will tell. As a child, I was always home for >>the St Paddy's Day Parade on 5th Avenue in New York. My father has no >>Irish heritage and my mom just always said we had a "wee bit of Irish" in >>her background. How wrong she was: Wynne (her maiden name), Conlon, >>Flanagan, Geoghegan (Gahagan), O'Melia, Kennedy, Clayton, McCracken, Hoey, >>McCabe, Cunningham, Maginnis and Connolly. If this be a wee bit then I >>want to see whole enchilada! >> >>Boy, how I wish my Clayton's had lived in Troy for a longer period of time >>and then maybe I would have learned more about that family. >> >>An Irish Blessing to all of you give so much and expect so little in >>return. >> >>Rich in Greer >>===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >>Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >>Troy Irish Genealogy Society >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

please, tell me more>>> I am clueless and have hit many roadblocks. jeff "Let us remember, that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration, which should deeply impress our minds, that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers in the event." -Samuel Adams. In a message dated 7/11/2008 7:07:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, megrice@attglobal.net writes: There are many LeBeau entries in the transcribed records of St Jean Baptiste Church in Troy. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)

There are many LeBeau entries in the transcribed records of St Jean Baptiste Church in Troy.

anybody have info? thx "Let us remember, that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration, which should deeply impress our minds, that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers in the event." -Samuel Adams. In a message dated 7/11/2008 6:25:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lantana@npgcable.com writes: I know of someone on TIGS who has contact in Rasharkin, Antrim with knowledge of a McCracken family looking for what happened to one of theirs who emigrated to America and have no trace., namely John McCracken who married Ann Powers. The info he shared with me is that John had two sisters, Sarah Jane, born abt 1839 and Mary Ann born abt 1848; their parents William McCracken and Eliza Wilson. I have located a John McCracken on the 1900 census in Watervliet but wife is Minnie, not Annie. Their daughter Lillian E. was born in 1899. Any connection? Lois in AZ Rich Nichols wrote: >This group has no idea how much all of us who belong appreciate the dedication that goes into providing us with help, lookups, advice, ideas, bits of history, etc. You are a wonderful bunch of leprechauns who always seems to direct us to that "pot o gold" in our own research or just additional general knowledge. > >With the administrator's kind indulgence - I know that my McCracken's from County Antrim originally came from Scotland (but when I don't know). My Wynne's from County Sligo arrived in Sligo from England in the mid-1700's from a "disenchanted with the King" - Wynne family member. My Clayton's from County Cork left Ireland for England in the early 1800's and may have originally been English as well. There are other's in my Irish lines who may also be of English, Scottish or Welsh heritage but only time and more research will tell. As a child, I was always home for the St Paddy's Day Parade on 5th Avenue in New York. My father has no Irish heritage and my mom just always said we had a "wee bit of Irish" in her background. How wrong she was: Wynne (her maiden name), Conlon, Flanagan, Geoghegan (Gahagan), O'Melia, Kennedy, Clayton, McCracken, Hoey, McCabe, Cunningham, Maginnis and Connolly. If this be a wee bit then I want to see whole enchilada! > >Boy, how I wish my Clayton's had lived in Troy for a longer period of time and then maybe I would have learned more about that family. > >An Irish Blessing to all of you give so much and expect so little in return. > >Rich in Greer >===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >Troy Irish Genealogy Society >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Did you pay your 2008 Dues? Troy Irish Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)

This group has no idea how much all of us who belong appreciate the dedication that goes into providing us with help, lookups, advice, ideas, bits of history, etc. You are a wonderful bunch of leprechauns who always seems to direct us to that "pot o gold" in our own research or just additional general knowledge. With the administrator's kind indulgence - I know that my McCracken's from County Antrim originally came from Scotland (but when I don't know). My Wynne's from County Sligo arrived in Sligo from England in the mid-1700's from a "disenchanted with the King" - Wynne family member. My Clayton's from County Cork left Ireland for England in the early 1800's and may have originally been English as well. There are other's in my Irish lines who may also be of English, Scottish or Welsh heritage but only time and more research will tell. As a child, I was always home for the St Paddy's Day Parade on 5th Avenue in New York. My father has no Irish heritage and my mom just always said we had a "wee bit of Irish" in her background. How wrong she was: Wynne (her maiden name), Conlon, Flanagan, Geoghegan (Gahagan), O'Melia, Kennedy, Clayton, McCracken, Hoey, McCabe, Cunningham, Maginnis and Connolly. If this be a wee bit then I want to see whole enchilada! Boy, how I wish my Clayton's had lived in Troy for a longer period of time and then maybe I would have learned more about that family. An Irish Blessing to all of you give so much and expect so little in return. Rich in Greer

I know of someone on TIGS who has contact in Rasharkin, Antrim with knowledge of a McCracken family looking for what happened to one of theirs who emigrated to America and have no trace., namely John McCracken who married Ann Powers. The info he shared with me is that John had two sisters, Sarah Jane, born abt 1839 and Mary Ann born abt 1848; their parents William McCracken and Eliza Wilson. I have located a John McCracken on the 1900 census in Watervliet but wife is Minnie, not Annie. Their daughter Lillian E. was born in 1899. Any connection? Lois in AZ Rich Nichols wrote: >This group has no idea how much all of us who belong appreciate the dedication that goes into providing us with help, lookups, advice, ideas, bits of history, etc. You are a wonderful bunch of leprechauns who always seems to direct us to that "pot o gold" in our own research or just additional general knowledge. > >With the administrator's kind indulgence - I know that my McCracken's from County Antrim originally came from Scotland (but when I don't know). My Wynne's from County Sligo arrived in Sligo from England in the mid-1700's from a "disenchanted with the King" - Wynne family member. My Clayton's from County Cork left Ireland for England in the early 1800's and may have originally been English as well. There are other's in my Irish lines who may also be of English, Scottish or Welsh heritage but only time and more research will tell. As a child, I was always home for the St Paddy's Day Parade on 5th Avenue in New York. My father has no Irish heritage and my mom just always said we had a "wee bit of Irish" in her background. How wrong she was: Wynne (her maiden name), Conlon, Flanagan, Geoghegan (Gahagan), O'Melia, Kennedy, Clayton, McCracken, Hoey, McCabe, Cunningham, Maginnis and Connolly. If this be a wee bit then I want to see whole enchilada! > >Boy, how I wish my Clayton's had lived in Troy for a longer period of time and then maybe I would have learned more about that family. > >An Irish Blessing to all of you give so much and expect so little in return. > >Rich in Greer >===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >Troy Irish Genealogy Society >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I encountered some interesting problems in researching Methodist churches here in Maryland. I am an active member of the Archaeological Society of Maryland and our local Mid-Potomac Chapter. I volunteer with our county's Archaeological department. About a year ago a question was raised about a one-time Methodist Episcopal Church in a local village. Doing some basic research I learned that the church, founded in the 1840s, had burned in 1890. Several of us visited the site and found a field stone foundation and what appeared to have been a basement, now partly filled in with modern trash. A short examination found charcoal and some old nails confirming the burning story. The church was never rebuilt. Why not? At that point we decided there would not be much physical evidence to find but continued the archival research to compile a short history. At the time this congregation was founded, less than a half mile away in the same village another Methodist church was founded. The obvious question was: Why? The Methodist Church in the US has divided and recombined many times. The original split was over the question of episcopy, that is : Do we need Bishops? Later there were the Southern Methodists who supported slavery and left the main body, and a split off of the African-American members founding the African Methodist Episcopal Church. Eventually all except the AME were reunited in the United Methodist Church. We were interested in obtaining a picture or drawing and perhaps locating some families whose grandparents had been members of the congregation. That is when the fun started. I contacted the Maryland dioscese to see what info they had. Essentialy nothing. There is a file, or rather boxes of old pictures stored in various houses but no index. Very few records existed before 1900. Visiting indidvidual churches I found their records to be incomplete. There was also a problem I had not expected,. The pastors for these churches were responsible for as many as four different congregations. There were frequent changes in those ministers' home church where they lived and normally had a house provided by the congregations, but the congregations were shifted from one charge to another over time. There was apparently no shift of the records. I did find Sunday School and adult Bible Study Classes with lists of members but then there would not be a record for several years and then some leader would resume the record keeping. I was able to learn that a few members of the Methodist Episcopal Church had joined two exixting churches, that is after 1890 they appeared on the rolls without explanation. I also found a report by two brothers who had been paid to recover the stones use to build the church and, with their horse drawn wagons, move them to a nearby farm. The family who owned the farm used the stones to build a wall around the family cemetery on the property. It is still there as is the residence. Oh, and the family made a large donation to a local Episopal Church to maintain the cemetery in perpetuity. Jim Owens

I'm late getting in on this discussion, but it's been interesting reading everyone's comments about the different churches, windows and memorials. And once again our Project Manager Bill McGrath has come up with a great idea for what I think of as "genealogy research out of the box." Can't wait to hear how Bill proceeds with this project! Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn" <cohoes2@juno.com> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials > You know that when the St. John's (Episcopal) in Cohoes closed and moved > to > Vliet St.,the city of Cohoes took over the old church and now uses the > building as the Cohoes Library. I really commend the politicians who made > that possible. They were (of course) anxious to remove any signs of > Christian habitation and in doing so donated four panels of stained glass > windows to the new church. They did retain the Tiffany windows for obvious > reasons. The new church paid to have the windows restored and mounted in > the new church. When researching the windows for insurance purposes we > discovered that they were the work of a man who survived the holocaust (he > was in a concentration camp)and immigrated to this country where he > eventually was commissioned to do windows in the National Cathedral in > Washington. That certainly upped the premium! > > My point is this; that I have always felt a sense of sadness and loss when > I > see windows donated by people to honor their loved ones dumped along with > the churches that housed them. I think it would be great to try and get > some > laws on the books to insure that they do not just crumble and fall apart. > Certainly there are new churches that might want to inherit them and even > pay for the restoration and installation in their churches. I was recently > in St. Joseph's church (in Albany now in the process of restoration) for a > concert and it was sad to see how the windows had deteriorated and how > much > it was going to cost to have them restored. Is there any organization that > concerns itself with preserving the donated windows? Even if they just > took > pictures and recorded the information it would be a way of honoring the > families who often sacrificed to donate a window in memory of their loved > ones. I think they thought it would a memorial for ever. > > Another point...someone from Heritage Hunters told me that someone was > transcribing the records from St. Particks church in Cohoes (closed by the > Diocese quite a while ago) but I have not been able to track that down. > The > Catholic Diocese should be made aware that people are interested in > transcribing records of churches that are closing. It drives me crazy when > trying to get information and being told that the records were burned in a > fire (like some of military records kept by the government and census > records) or have been destroyed in some other kind of disaster. The more > places the records are kept the safer our heritage. > Anyway just a few thoughts. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Deerbea5@aol.com> > To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials > > >> Bill >> I think this is a fabulous idea When reading the story about St >> Lawrence's >> church It Made me think... It would be a great idea to take photo's >> of >> the Churches and other historical buildings to help preserve the memory >> of >> them I remember St Lawrence's was a beautiful Church with Wooden >> Altars >> Pat >> >> >> In a message dated 7/7/2008 11:35:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> seamus@nycap.rr.com writes: >> >> As a genealogy researcher we think of birth dates, marriage dates, death >> dates, as the bare bones of an ancestors record. What the individual >> did >> in >> life, what were the accomplishments, what sacrifices were made, I think >> add >> "flesh" to that ancestors bones and give us a better picture of that >> individual >> we never knew. >> >> If you look at the various TIGS projects on line, you will see that >> approximately seven of the current TIGS projects reflect this thinking. >> For example >> with the Alderman data base, we can observe that our ancestor was a >> Alderman >> year in and year out in a particular ward in Troy or with the Bank >> Officers >> data base we can see a lifetime of service in a particular Troy Bank. >> These >> little details of a persons life add some "flesh" to that persons >> history. >> >> So along this line it would be interesting to have some list discussion >> on >> the following idea for a new TIGS project. >> >> Last year while visiting a son in Ridgefield, Conn., I attended mass at >> St. >> Mary's Church and spent some time reading the various inscriptions on >> the >> stained glass windows. Lots of information on these memorials. Family >> names, >> individual names of family members, some dates of death, etc. I thought >> then >> that this would be an interesting idea for a TIGS data base on the >> various >> memorials in Troy area churches. If your families ancestors scrimped >> and >> saved >> to donate a church memorial which carries the family name wouldn't; you >> like >> to know about it? Does this information add "flesh" to that ancestors >> bones? >> >> As many list members know, over the years Troy has seen Holy Trinity >> Church, >> St. Lawrence's Church and St. Jean deBaptiste Church all closed. If >> there >> were family names on memorials in these churches are they still there or >> have they been removed? I know the names from my family's church, St. >> Michael's, are long gone as the original building was destroyed by fire >> in >> the 1970's. >> >> With the recent announcement of the possible closing of the following >> churches in Troy, how many more memorials with our ancestors names will >> be lost? >> >> List of Troy Churches From The Albany Times Union: >> >> St. Mary's Church >> St. Paul the Apostle Church >> St. Peter's Church >> St. Francis de Sales Church >> St. William's Church >> St. Patrick's Church >> >> So, if any list members have any thoughts on this idea, pro or con, they >> are >> invited to post their comments to the list. >> >> Regards, >> >> Bill McGrath >> TIGS Project Coordinator >> Clifton Park, NY >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Gas prices getting you down? 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Yes, Tom, thank you very much. This is a valuable piece of information, which I intend to keep. Marianne Arnold On Jul 10, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Thomas J. Ebert wrote: > A bit of a history lesson on religious persecutions in Ireland. > > Presbyterianism was the state religion in Scotland and initially > under James I, Scot Presbyterians, including my Clugston and Conroy > ancestors, were transported from SW Scotland to Ireland to populate > the Ulster Plantation with dependable Protestants. James I had been > raised a Presbyterian. > > His second son, who later became Charles I, was raised as an > Anglican and was suspected of being a secret Catholic. The Anglican > Church had been the established church in Ireland ever since the > separation under Henry VIII as the Church of Ireland. Established > church meant you paid taxes for the support of the church no matter > your personal affiliation. > > As the Stuart dynasty became more English in outlook under Charles > I and II, the Presbyterian faith in anywhere but Scotland became > more suspect. As Scots or descendents of Scots, many Presbyterian > Irish supported the Stuart king, Charles I, during the Civil War > and paid dearly for it at the hands of the English Puritans. > > The Act of Union in 1707, when Queen Anne abolished Scotland as an > independent state further raised the ire of many Scottish > nationalists of every religious hue. > > When the Hanoverians under George I came to the throne in 1714, > many Presbyterians whether in Scotland or Ireland were supporters > of the Stuart pretenders, James III and Charles III so religious > affiliation became more and more of a loyalty test. If you weren't > Church of Ireland, you were suspected as a potential supporter of > the pretenders and/or Scottish nationalism. > > Methodism, started in the mid-1700's) was wildly popular among the > lower classes in England and among Protestants in Ireland and > challenged the authority of the Anglican Church in England and > Ireland, which made Methodism suspect. Also, it was in many ways a > revival of "puritan ideas" and though a much less fanatical format > than its 17th century antecedents, still a threat to the > established order. > > While the Jacobite threat to the Hanoverians ended at the Battle of > Culloden in 1746, no one was ever sure if another Jacobite > rebellion supported by the Scot nationalists would surface. These > conflicts spurred Presbyterian emigration to America including the > Jackson family whose son Andrew would become President. By 1780, > the Jacobite threat was diminishing because Charles was aged and > feeble and the only male Stuart heir was his younger brother, Henry > Stuart, Cardinal of York. > > When Charles died in 1788, Henry proclaimed himself Henry IX. When > he died in 1807, the direct Stuart line came to an end. Charles and > Henry are buried in St. Peter's Basillica. > > In 1782, the Presbyterian Church in Ireland was finally allowed to > conduct its own baptisms and marriages and other forms of > persecution were loosened and eventually removed. But preference in > jobs and other opportunities went to members of the Church of > Ireland. However, the Presbyterians had the ability to accumulate > wealth and an education and could afford to move. They found > emigration to the American colonies and Canada where they became > Scot Irish. They also brought their anti-English, anti-Hanoverian > monarchy sentiments with them which injected a powerful group > promoting American independence. > > As Methodism became a mainstream religion by the end of the 18th > century, persecution against Methodists were also lifted. > > Catholics, of course were a different matter. In Ireland > identification with Catholicism went along with Irish nationalism, > something the British spent four centuries trying to stamp out. > Catholicism was viewed as subversive to the state (allegiance to > the Pope) not only in Ireland but in England and America as well. > George III refused to consider Catholic Emancipation as part of the > Act of Union in 1801. However, in 1829, The Roman Catholic Relief > Act was passed by Parliament to allow Daniel O'Connell to take his > seat in Parliament. > > The passage of the act did nothing to repair the centuries of > persecution, denial of property rights, politicial rights, > education, employment and other basic human rights among Ireland's > poor. Of course, like other persecuted groups, the Irish poor were > then blamed for their illiteracy, lack of property, "shiftless > ways" etc. Nothing changed for the average Irish Catholic peasant. > Unlike their Presbyterian counterparts, they did not have the > opportunities to get an education or accumulate wealth and were > unprepared for the crisis of the 1840's which of course the British > blamed on them. > > However, the British were ahead of the Commonwealth of > Massachusetts which did not pass its own legislation allowing > Catholics to vote until 1835. > > This is a capsulized history of the reasons for the persecutions of > the various religious groups in Ireland. I hope everyone finds it > useful. > > Tom Ebert > > > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Lynn <cohoes2@juno.com> wrote: > >> From: Lynn <cohoes2@juno.com> >> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials >> To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 7:47 AM >> It is interesting that you would mention the Methodist >> Church. My GG >> randmother immigrated to this country as a widow with four >> daughters. They >> were Methodists and I have been at sixes and sevens trying >> to get >> information about them. I have asked Methodists active in >> their churches and >> they looked at me as if they thought I was crazy. I saw a >> notation in a book >> that at some time in Irish history the Methodists and the >> Presbyterians were >> persecuted in Ireland. This was a big surprise to me and >> that is the only >> reference I have ever seen of such persecution. I suspect >> that it was not >> from Catholics because at that time they were busy fleeing >> religious >> persecution themselves. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rebecca Rector" >> <rrector1@nycap.rr.com> >> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church >> Memorials >> >> >>> Bill - I think this is a great idea! And once we >> finish the Catholic >>> Churches, it would be nice to do some of the >> Protestant Churches also. >>> Many >>> Irish attended Protestant churches in the area. I >> have been computerizing >>> the vital records from North 2nd St. Methodist Church >> (at Historical >>> Society), and I'm seeing more and more Irish >> names, especially in the >>> later >>> records (1880's). >>> There also may be other buildings, such as chapels >> etc. in the area that >>> would have memorial windows. I am currently >> researching a family who had >>> a >>> memorial window at RPI, but sadly, the building burned >> in 1904. I wonder >>> what happened to those windows?? >>> Rebecca (count me in for helping with this project!) >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lynn" <cohoes2@juno.com> >>> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:02 AM >>> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data >> Base/Church Memorials >>> >>> >>>> You know that when the St. John's (Episcopal) >> in Cohoes closed and moved >>>> to >>>> Vliet St.,the city of Cohoes took over the old >> church and now uses the >>>> building as the Cohoes Library. I really commend >> the politicians who made >>>> that possible. They were (of course) anxious to >> remove any signs of >>>> Christian habitation and in doing so donated four >> panels of stained glass >>>> windows to the new church. They did retain the >> Tiffany windows for >>>> obvious >>>> reasons. The new church paid to have the windows >> restored and mounted in >>>> the new church. When researching the windows for >> insurance purposes we >>>> discovered that they were the work of a man who >> survived the holocaust >>>> (he >>>> was in a concentration camp)and immigrated to this >> country where he >>>> eventually was commissioned to do windows in the >> National Cathedral in >>>> Washington. That certainly upped the premium! >>>> >>>> My point is this; that I have always felt a sense >> of sadness and loss >>>> when >>>> I >>>> see windows donated by people to honor their loved >> ones dumped along with >>>> the churches that housed them. I think it would be >> great to try and get >>>> some >>>> laws on the books to insure that they do not just >> crumble and fall apart. >>>> Certainly there are new churches that might want >> to inherit them and even >>>> pay for the restoration and installation in their >> churches. I was >>>> recently >>>> in St. Joseph's church (in Albany now in the >> process of restoration) for >>>> a >>>> concert and it was sad to see how the windows had >> deteriorated and how >>>> much >>>> it was going to cost to have them restored. Is >> there any organization >>>> that >>>> concerns itself with preserving the donated >> windows? Even if they just >>>> took >>>> pictures and recorded the information it would be >> a way of honoring the >>>> families who often sacrificed to donate a window >> in memory of their loved >>>> ones. I think they thought it would a memorial >> for ever. >>>> >>>> Another point...someone from Heritage Hunters told >> me that someone was >>>> transcribing the records from St. Particks church >> in Cohoes (closed by >>>> the >>>> Diocese quite a while ago) but I have not been >> able to track that down. >>>> The >>>> Catholic Diocese should be made aware that people >> are interested in >>>> transcribing records of churches that are closing. >> It drives me crazy >>>> when >>>> trying to get information and being told that the >> records were burned in >>>> a >>>> fire (like some of military records kept by the >> government and census >>>> records) or have been destroyed in some other kind >> of disaster. The more >>>> places the records are kept the safer our >> heritage. >>>> Anyway just a few thoughts. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <Deerbea5@aol.com> >>>> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:45 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data >> Base/Church Memorials >>>> >>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> I think this is a fabulous idea When reading >> the story about St >>>>> Lawrence's >>>>> church It Made me think... It would be a >> great idea to take photo's >>>>> of >>>>> the Churches and other historical buildings >> to help preserve the >>>>> memory >>>>> of >>>>> them I remember St Lawrence's was a >> beautiful Church with Wooden >>>>> Altars >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In a message dated 7/7/2008 11:35:45 A.M. >> Eastern Daylight Time, >>>>> seamus@nycap.rr.com writes: >>>>> >>>>> As a genealogy researcher we think of birth >> dates, marriage dates, >>>>> death >>>>> dates, as the bare bones of an ancestors >> record. What the individual >>>>> did >>>>> in >>>>> life, what were the accomplishments, what >> sacrifices were made, I >>>>> think >>>>> add >>>>> "flesh" to that ancestors bones and >> give us a better picture of that >>>>> individual >>>>> we never knew. >>>>> >>>>> If you look at the various TIGS projects on >> line, you will see that >>>>> approximately seven of the current TIGS >> projects reflect this thinking. >>>>> For example >>>>> with the Alderman data base, we can observe >> that our ancestor was a >>>>> Alderman >>>>> year in and year out in a particular ward in >> Troy or with the Bank >>>>> Officers >>>>> data base we can see a lifetime of service in >> a particular Troy Bank. >>>>> These >>>>> little details of a persons life add some >> "flesh" to that persons >>>>> history. >>>>> >>>>> So along this line it would be interesting to >> have some list discussion >>>>> on >>>>> the following idea for a new TIGS project. >>>>> >>>>> Last year while visiting a son in Ridgefield, >> Conn., I attended mass at >>>>> St. >>>>> Mary's Church and spent some time reading >> the various inscriptions on >>>>> the >>>>> stained glass windows. Lots of information >> on these memorials. Family >>>>> names, >>>>> individual names of family members, some >> dates of death, etc. I >>>>> thought >>>>> then >>>>> that this would be an interesting idea for a >> TIGS data base on the >>>>> various >>>>> memorials in Troy area churches. If your >> families ancestors scrimped >>>>> and >>>>> saved >>>>> to donate a church memorial which carries the >> family name wouldn't; you >>>>> like >>>>> to know about it? Does this information add >> "flesh" to that ancestors >>>>> bones? >>>>> >>>>> As many list members know, over the years >> Troy has seen Holy Trinity >>>>> Church, >>>>> St. Lawrence's Church and St. Jean >> deBaptiste Church all closed. If >>>>> there >>>>> were family names on memorials in these >> churches are they still there or >>>>> have they been removed? I know the names >> from my family's church, St. >>>>> Michael's, are long gone as the original >> building was destroyed by fire >>>>> in >>>>> the 1970's. >>>>> >>>>> With the recent announcement of the possible >> closing of the following >>>>> churches in Troy, how many more memorials with >> our ancestors names will >>>>> be lost? >>>>> >>>>> List of Troy Churches From The Albany Times >> Union: >>>>> >>>>> St. Mary's Church >>>>> St. Paul the Apostle Church >>>>> St. Peter's Church >>>>> St. Francis de Sales Church >>>>> St. William's Church >>>>> St. Patrick's Church >>>>> >>>>> So, if any list members have any thoughts on >> this idea, pro or con, >>>>> they >>>>> are >>>>> invited to post their comments to the list. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Bill McGrath >>>>> TIGS Project Coordinator >>>>> Clifton Park, NY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >>>>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >>>>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to >>>>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the >>>>> subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **************Gas prices getting you down? >> Search AOL Autos for >>>>> fuel-efficient used cars. >>>>> >> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) >>>>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >>>>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >>>>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to >>>>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> Save hundreds on an Unsecured Loan - Click here. >>>> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/ >> Ioyw6i3m3iTUYK2n8WLEwlfFe8F9hDlF47vRkXdzIhoCnImgKoPWZX/ >>>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >>>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >>>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to >>>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the >> word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >>> >>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the >> word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >>> >>> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Want to be an interior designer? 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Lynn, Thank you so much for this thought. It was beautiful. My Mom thought so too. It's such a great way to remember my Dad because he certainly did raise all four of his "little girls" to be very strong women. Therese Lynn wrote: > I am sorry for your loss. When people talk about strong Irish women and > wonder why that is true. I always say it is Irish fathers who make their > daughters strong women. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Therese" <tmack@hostpc.com> > To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:44 PM > Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] [Fwd: John Gavin] > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: John Gavin >> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:26:57 -0400 >> From: Therese <tmack@hostpc.com> >> >> >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I joined your group a few months ago because I saw some really fun and >> interesting things on it to share with my Mom and Dad who are from and >> were raised in South Troy. I've only been on a few times to thank you >> for information I could share with them or to share information about >> South Troy with you. They really enjoyed hearing all of the old familiar >> stories that I could share with them from the site. It brought back so >> many fun memories that really made them laugh and smile. Thank you for >> that. >> >> Unfortunately the reason I'm writing to you tonight is to let you know >> that God called my Dad Home on 7/4th. He had a stroke on 4/2 and never >> really recovered from that. He ended up getting pneumonia in the end and >> it took over his right lung and he just couldn't get over it. Thank God >> we were all (except for one of his grandsons who lives out of town), 26 >> of us with him in the end. >> >> My Mom is such a strong woman and is keeping up so well. We try to be >> her strength but she ends up being ours. She's just obviously so very >> sad. She had started dating my Dad 66 years ago at a "Lincoln Penny >> Serenade Dance" while he was in Lasalle and she was in Catholic Central. >> They were married for 58 years, had 6 kids, 8 grandchildren, and 2 >> great-grandchildren. >> >> He was waked in Leahy's funeral home which has always been very special >> to them, and was buried yesterday from St. Joseph's in Troy, where they >> grew up; were married; and 2 of my sisters and brothers were baptized >> in. They'd gone to many churches in their life, but even at the end, Dad >> (and Mom still does) belonged to St. Joseph's because it meant so much >> to them. >> >> Mom doesn't get out of the house at all because she has terribly painful >> arthritis. She didn't get to the wake or funeral (which was a beautiful >> ceremony at the military cemetery in Saratoga) because it would've been >> too much for her, and I know he was OK with that. >> >> They were such a wonderful couple. The best God could ask for. Dad put >> God first, family second and country third. He was a very proud Marine. >> >> Thank you all for all of your stories that I could share with them. It >> meant a lot to both of them. >> >> Therese Mack >> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Need cash? Click to get a loan. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mKiwTCHE2uIhNhzriGLCeALGKMYVb7DlmVolt1olPCagSu5/ > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

A reminder of the meeting next Thursday at Jan's. Please e-mail Jan off list to let her know you are coming and what you will be bringing to share Please contact me with any agenda items by Tuesday, the 15th. Thanks Kris and Jan The July meeting of TIGS will be held on Thursday, July 17, at 6 pm at Jan Sullivan’s in Clifton Park. We will have a covered dish supper, everyone is asked to bring something for the meal such as appetizers, salads, entrées, desserts, etc. Please contact me off list to let me know what you plan to bring to the meeting. An early response would be appreciated so I can plan for the evening. At that time I will be happy to give directions to my home. Jan _rsulliva@nycap.rr.com_ (mailto:rsulliva@nycap.rr.com) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)

I'm sure my aunts used to mention the Gavin family from South Troy, Do you remember the Costellos or the Caseys from Bedford and Hanover Streets? EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> > > Troy Irish Genealogy Society> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List===> Did you pay your 2008 Dues?> Troy Irish Genealogy Society> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you all so very much for your thoughts and Prayers. They all brought me so much comfort. Yes, Doris, that was my Dad. Thank you so much for asking, it's so special to know that you remembered him. I will try to keep up with this site. I can't tell you how much enjoyment it brought both Mom and Dad to hear the memories you all had to offer. Love and Prayers, Therese Doris Moak wrote: > Hi Therese, I am a member of TIGS and am on their website. First of all I want to tell you that I'm very sorry for your loss. I read the obit on the internet. I was wondering if your Dad ever lived on Mann Ave. in So. Troy. I was raised on Norton St., between Lincoln and Mann Avenues. I remember a Jack Gavin who was the son of Joseph & Marge McMahon Gavin. Would this be the same person as your Dad? Doris Reilly Moak. > From: Therese<mailto:tmack@hostpc.com> > To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com<mailto:ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:44 PM > Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] [Fwd: John Gavin] > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: John Gavin > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:26:57 -0400 > From: Therese <tmack@hostpc.com<mailto:tmack@hostpc.com>> > > > > Hi Everyone, > > I joined your group a few months ago because I saw some really fun and > interesting things on it to share with my Mom and Dad who are from and > were raised in South Troy. I've only been on a few times to thank you > for information I could share with them or to share information about > South Troy with you. They really enjoyed hearing all of the old familiar > stories that I could share with them from the site. It brought back so > many fun memories that really made them laugh and smile. Thank you for > that. > > Unfortunately the reason I'm writing to you tonight is to let you know > that God called my Dad Home on 7/4th. He had a stroke on 4/2 and never > really recovered from that. He ended up getting pneumonia in the end and > it took over his right lung and he just couldn't get over it. Thank God > we were all (except for one of his grandsons who lives out of town), 26 > of us with him in the end. > > My Mom is such a strong woman and is keeping up so well. We try to be > her strength but she ends up being ours. She's just obviously so very > sad. She had started dating my Dad 66 years ago at a "Lincoln Penny > Serenade Dance" while he was in Lasalle and she was in Catholic Central. > They were married for 58 years, had 6 kids, 8 grandchildren, and 2 > great-grandchildren. > > He was waked in Leahy's funeral home which has always been very special > to them, and was buried yesterday from St. Joseph's in Troy, where they > grew up; were married; and 2 of my sisters and brothers were baptized > in. They'd gone to many churches in their life, but even at the end, Dad > (and Mom still does) belonged to St. Joseph's because it meant so much > to them. > > Mom doesn't get out of the house at all because she has terribly painful > arthritis. She didn't get to the wake or funeral (which was a beautiful > ceremony at the military cemetery in Saratoga) because it would've been > too much for her, and I know he was OK with that. > > They were such a wonderful couple. The best God could ask for. Dad put > God first, family second and country third. He was a very proud Marine. > > Thank you all for all of your stories that I could share with them. It > meant a lot to both of them. > > Therese Mack > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

A bit of a history lesson on religious persecutions in Ireland. Presbyterianism was the state religion in Scotland and initially under James I, Scot Presbyterians, including my Clugston and Conroy ancestors, were transported from SW Scotland to Ireland to populate the Ulster Plantation with dependable Protestants. James I had been raised a Presbyterian. His second son, who later became Charles I, was raised as an Anglican and was suspected of being a secret Catholic. The Anglican Church had been the established church in Ireland ever since the separation under Henry VIII as the Church of Ireland. Established church meant you paid taxes for the support of the church no matter your personal affiliation. As the Stuart dynasty became more English in outlook under Charles I and II, the Presbyterian faith in anywhere but Scotland became more suspect. As Scots or descendents of Scots, many Presbyterian Irish supported the Stuart king, Charles I, during the Civil War and paid dearly for it at the hands of the English Puritans. The Act of Union in 1707, when Queen Anne abolished Scotland as an independent state further raised the ire of many Scottish nationalists of every religious hue. When the Hanoverians under George I came to the throne in 1714, many Presbyterians whether in Scotland or Ireland were supporters of the Stuart pretenders, James III and Charles III so religious affiliation became more and more of a loyalty test. If you weren't Church of Ireland, you were suspected as a potential supporter of the pretenders and/or Scottish nationalism. Methodism, started in the mid-1700's) was wildly popular among the lower classes in England and among Protestants in Ireland and challenged the authority of the Anglican Church in England and Ireland, which made Methodism suspect. Also, it was in many ways a revival of "puritan ideas" and though a much less fanatical format than its 17th century antecedents, still a threat to the established order. While the Jacobite threat to the Hanoverians ended at the Battle of Culloden in 1746, no one was ever sure if another Jacobite rebellion supported by the Scot nationalists would surface. These conflicts spurred Presbyterian emigration to America including the Jackson family whose son Andrew would become President. By 1780, the Jacobite threat was diminishing because Charles was aged and feeble and the only male Stuart heir was his younger brother, Henry Stuart, Cardinal of York. When Charles died in 1788, Henry proclaimed himself Henry IX. When he died in 1807, the direct Stuart line came to an end. Charles and Henry are buried in St. Peter's Basillica. In 1782, the Presbyterian Church in Ireland was finally allowed to conduct its own baptisms and marriages and other forms of persecution were loosened and eventually removed. But preference in jobs and other opportunities went to members of the Church of Ireland. However, the Presbyterians had the ability to accumulate wealth and an education and could afford to move. They found emigration to the American colonies and Canada where they became Scot Irish. They also brought their anti-English, anti-Hanoverian monarchy sentiments with them which injected a powerful group promoting American independence. As Methodism became a mainstream religion by the end of the 18th century, persecution against Methodists were also lifted. Catholics, of course were a different matter. In Ireland identification with Catholicism went along with Irish nationalism, something the British spent four centuries trying to stamp out. Catholicism was viewed as subversive to the state (allegiance to the Pope) not only in Ireland but in England and America as well. George III refused to consider Catholic Emancipation as part of the Act of Union in 1801. However, in 1829, The Roman Catholic Relief Act was passed by Parliament to allow Daniel O'Connell to take his seat in Parliament. The passage of the act did nothing to repair the centuries of persecution, denial of property rights, politicial rights, education, employment and other basic human rights among Ireland's poor. Of course, like other persecuted groups, the Irish poor were then blamed for their illiteracy, lack of property, "shiftless ways" etc. Nothing changed for the average Irish Catholic peasant. Unlike their Presbyterian counterparts, they did not have the opportunities to get an education or accumulate wealth and were unprepared for the crisis of the 1840's which of course the British blamed on them. However, the British were ahead of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts which did not pass its own legislation allowing Catholics to vote until 1835. This is a capsulized history of the reasons for the persecutions of the various religious groups in Ireland. I hope everyone finds it useful. Tom Ebert --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Lynn <cohoes2@juno.com> wrote: > From: Lynn <cohoes2@juno.com> > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials > To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 7:47 AM > It is interesting that you would mention the Methodist > Church. My GG > randmother immigrated to this country as a widow with four > daughters. They > were Methodists and I have been at sixes and sevens trying > to get > information about them. I have asked Methodists active in > their churches and > they looked at me as if they thought I was crazy. I saw a > notation in a book > that at some time in Irish history the Methodists and the > Presbyterians were > persecuted in Ireland. This was a big surprise to me and > that is the only > reference I have ever seen of such persecution. I suspect > that it was not > from Catholics because at that time they were busy fleeing > religious > persecution themselves. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rebecca Rector" > <rrector1@nycap.rr.com> > To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church > Memorials > > > > Bill - I think this is a great idea! And once we > finish the Catholic > > Churches, it would be nice to do some of the > Protestant Churches also. > > Many > > Irish attended Protestant churches in the area. I > have been computerizing > > the vital records from North 2nd St. Methodist Church > (at Historical > > Society), and I'm seeing more and more Irish > names, especially in the > > later > > records (1880's). > > There also may be other buildings, such as chapels > etc. in the area that > > would have memorial windows. I am currently > researching a family who had > > a > > memorial window at RPI, but sadly, the building burned > in 1904. I wonder > > what happened to those windows?? > > Rebecca (count me in for helping with this project!) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lynn" <cohoes2@juno.com> > > To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data > Base/Church Memorials > > > > > >> You know that when the St. John's (Episcopal) > in Cohoes closed and moved > >> to > >> Vliet St.,the city of Cohoes took over the old > church and now uses the > >> building as the Cohoes Library. I really commend > the politicians who made > >> that possible. They were (of course) anxious to > remove any signs of > >> Christian habitation and in doing so donated four > panels of stained glass > >> windows to the new church. They did retain the > Tiffany windows for > >> obvious > >> reasons. The new church paid to have the windows > restored and mounted in > >> the new church. When researching the windows for > insurance purposes we > >> discovered that they were the work of a man who > survived the holocaust > >> (he > >> was in a concentration camp)and immigrated to this > country where he > >> eventually was commissioned to do windows in the > National Cathedral in > >> Washington. That certainly upped the premium! > >> > >> My point is this; that I have always felt a sense > of sadness and loss > >> when > >> I > >> see windows donated by people to honor their loved > ones dumped along with > >> the churches that housed them. I think it would be > great to try and get > >> some > >> laws on the books to insure that they do not just > crumble and fall apart. > >> Certainly there are new churches that might want > to inherit them and even > >> pay for the restoration and installation in their > churches. I was > >> recently > >> in St. Joseph's church (in Albany now in the > process of restoration) for > >> a > >> concert and it was sad to see how the windows had > deteriorated and how > >> much > >> it was going to cost to have them restored. Is > there any organization > >> that > >> concerns itself with preserving the donated > windows? Even if they just > >> took > >> pictures and recorded the information it would be > a way of honoring the > >> families who often sacrificed to donate a window > in memory of their loved > >> ones. I think they thought it would a memorial > for ever. > >> > >> Another point...someone from Heritage Hunters told > me that someone was > >> transcribing the records from St. Particks church > in Cohoes (closed by > >> the > >> Diocese quite a while ago) but I have not been > able to track that down. > >> The > >> Catholic Diocese should be made aware that people > are interested in > >> transcribing records of churches that are closing. > It drives me crazy > >> when > >> trying to get information and being told that the > records were burned in > >> a > >> fire (like some of military records kept by the > government and census > >> records) or have been destroyed in some other kind > of disaster. The more > >> places the records are kept the safer our > heritage. > >> Anyway just a few thoughts. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <Deerbea5@aol.com> > >> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:45 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data > Base/Church Memorials > >> > >> > >>> Bill > >>> I think this is a fabulous idea When reading > the story about St > >>> Lawrence's > >>> church It Made me think... It would be a > great idea to take photo's > >>> of > >>> the Churches and other historical buildings > to help preserve the > >>> memory > >>> of > >>> them I remember St Lawrence's was a > beautiful Church with Wooden > >>> Altars > >>> Pat > >>> > >>> > >>> In a message dated 7/7/2008 11:35:45 A.M. > Eastern Daylight Time, > >>> seamus@nycap.rr.com writes: > >>> > >>> As a genealogy researcher we think of birth > dates, marriage dates, > >>> death > >>> dates, as the bare bones of an ancestors > record. What the individual > >>> did > >>> in > >>> life, what were the accomplishments, what > sacrifices were made, I > >>> think > >>> add > >>> "flesh" to that ancestors bones and > give us a better picture of that > >>> individual > >>> we never knew. > >>> > >>> If you look at the various TIGS projects on > line, you will see that > >>> approximately seven of the current TIGS > projects reflect this thinking. > >>> For example > >>> with the Alderman data base, we can observe > that our ancestor was a > >>> Alderman > >>> year in and year out in a particular ward in > Troy or with the Bank > >>> Officers > >>> data base we can see a lifetime of service in > a particular Troy Bank. > >>> These > >>> little details of a persons life add some > "flesh" to that persons > >>> history. > >>> > >>> So along this line it would be interesting to > have some list discussion > >>> on > >>> the following idea for a new TIGS project. > >>> > >>> Last year while visiting a son in Ridgefield, > Conn., I attended mass at > >>> St. > >>> Mary's Church and spent some time reading > the various inscriptions on > >>> the > >>> stained glass windows. Lots of information > on these memorials. Family > >>> names, > >>> individual names of family members, some > dates of death, etc. I > >>> thought > >>> then > >>> that this would be an interesting idea for a > TIGS data base on the > >>> various > >>> memorials in Troy area churches. If your > families ancestors scrimped > >>> and > >>> saved > >>> to donate a church memorial which carries the > family name wouldn't; you > >>> like > >>> to know about it? Does this information add > "flesh" to that ancestors > >>> bones? > >>> > >>> As many list members know, over the years > Troy has seen Holy Trinity > >>> Church, > >>> St. Lawrence's Church and St. Jean > deBaptiste Church all closed. If > >>> there > >>> were family names on memorials in these > churches are they still there or > >>> have they been removed? I know the names > from my family's church, St. > >>> Michael's, are long gone as the original > building was destroyed by fire > >>> in > >>> the 1970's. > >>> > >>> With the recent announcement of the possible > closing of the following > >>> churches in Troy, how many more memorials with > our ancestors names will > >>> be lost? > >>> > >>> List of Troy Churches From The Albany Times > Union: > >>> > >>> St. Mary's Church > >>> St. Paul the Apostle Church > >>> St. Peter's Church > >>> St. Francis de Sales Church > >>> St. William's Church > >>> St. Patrick's Church > >>> > >>> So, if any list members have any thoughts on > this idea, pro or con, > >>> they > >>> are > >>> invited to post their comments to the list. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Bill McGrath > >>> TIGS Project Coordinator > >>> Clifton Park, NY > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > >>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > >>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > >>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the > >>> subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> **************Gas prices getting you down? > Search AOL Autos for > >>> fuel-efficient used cars. > >>> > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > >>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > >>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > >>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > >>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ > >> Save hundreds on an Unsecured Loan - Click here. > >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3iTUYK2n8WLEwlfFe8F9hDlF47vRkXdzIhoCnImgKoPWZX/ > >> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > >> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > >> Troy Irish Genealogy Society > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Want to be an interior designer? 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Hi Therese, I am a member of TIGS and am on their website. First of all I want to tell you that I'm very sorry for your loss. I read the obit on the internet. I was wondering if your Dad ever lived on Mann Ave. in So. Troy. I was raised on Norton St., between Lincoln and Mann Avenues. I remember a Jack Gavin who was the son of Joseph & Marge McMahon Gavin. Would this be the same person as your Dad? Doris Reilly Moak. From: Therese<mailto:tmack@hostpc.com> To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com<mailto:ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:44 PM Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] [Fwd: John Gavin] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: John Gavin Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:26:57 -0400 From: Therese <tmack@hostpc.com<mailto:tmack@hostpc.com>> Hi Everyone, I joined your group a few months ago because I saw some really fun and interesting things on it to share with my Mom and Dad who are from and were raised in South Troy. I've only been on a few times to thank you for information I could share with them or to share information about South Troy with you. They really enjoyed hearing all of the old familiar stories that I could share with them from the site. It brought back so many fun memories that really made them laugh and smile. Thank you for that. Unfortunately the reason I'm writing to you tonight is to let you know that God called my Dad Home on 7/4th. He had a stroke on 4/2 and never really recovered from that. He ended up getting pneumonia in the end and it took over his right lung and he just couldn't get over it. Thank God we were all (except for one of his grandsons who lives out of town), 26 of us with him in the end. My Mom is such a strong woman and is keeping up so well. We try to be her strength but she ends up being ours. She's just obviously so very sad. She had started dating my Dad 66 years ago at a "Lincoln Penny Serenade Dance" while he was in Lasalle and she was in Catholic Central. They were married for 58 years, had 6 kids, 8 grandchildren, and 2 great-grandchildren. He was waked in Leahy's funeral home which has always been very special to them, and was buried yesterday from St. Joseph's in Troy, where they grew up; were married; and 2 of my sisters and brothers were baptized in. They'd gone to many churches in their life, but even at the end, Dad (and Mom still does) belonged to St. Joseph's because it meant so much to them. Mom doesn't get out of the house at all because she has terribly painful arthritis. She didn't get to the wake or funeral (which was a beautiful ceremony at the military cemetery in Saratoga) because it would've been too much for her, and I know he was OK with that. They were such a wonderful couple. The best God could ask for. Dad put God first, family second and country third. He was a very proud Marine. Thank you all for all of your stories that I could share with them. It meant a lot to both of them. Therese Mack ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Did you pay your 2008 Dues? Troy Irish Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am sorry for your loss. When people talk about strong Irish women and wonder why that is true. I always say it is Irish fathers who make their daughters strong women. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Therese" <tmack@hostpc.com> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:44 PM Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] [Fwd: John Gavin] > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: John Gavin > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:26:57 -0400 > From: Therese <tmack@hostpc.com> > > > > Hi Everyone, > > I joined your group a few months ago because I saw some really fun and > interesting things on it to share with my Mom and Dad who are from and > were raised in South Troy. I've only been on a few times to thank you > for information I could share with them or to share information about > South Troy with you. They really enjoyed hearing all of the old familiar > stories that I could share with them from the site. It brought back so > many fun memories that really made them laugh and smile. Thank you for > that. > > Unfortunately the reason I'm writing to you tonight is to let you know > that God called my Dad Home on 7/4th. He had a stroke on 4/2 and never > really recovered from that. He ended up getting pneumonia in the end and > it took over his right lung and he just couldn't get over it. Thank God > we were all (except for one of his grandsons who lives out of town), 26 > of us with him in the end. > > My Mom is such a strong woman and is keeping up so well. We try to be > her strength but she ends up being ours. She's just obviously so very > sad. She had started dating my Dad 66 years ago at a "Lincoln Penny > Serenade Dance" while he was in Lasalle and she was in Catholic Central. > They were married for 58 years, had 6 kids, 8 grandchildren, and 2 > great-grandchildren. > > He was waked in Leahy's funeral home which has always been very special > to them, and was buried yesterday from St. Joseph's in Troy, where they > grew up; were married; and 2 of my sisters and brothers were baptized > in. They'd gone to many churches in their life, but even at the end, Dad > (and Mom still does) belonged to St. Joseph's because it meant so much > to them. > > Mom doesn't get out of the house at all because she has terribly painful > arthritis. She didn't get to the wake or funeral (which was a beautiful > ceremony at the military cemetery in Saratoga) because it would've been > too much for her, and I know he was OK with that. > > They were such a wonderful couple. The best God could ask for. Dad put > God first, family second and country third. He was a very proud Marine. > > Thank you all for all of your stories that I could share with them. It > meant a lot to both of them. > > Therese Mack > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mKiwTCHE2uIhNhzriGLCeALGKMYVb7DlmVolt1olPCagSu5/

It is interesting that you would mention the Methodist Church. My GG randmother immigrated to this country as a widow with four daughters. They were Methodists and I have been at sixes and sevens trying to get information about them. I have asked Methodists active in their churches and they looked at me as if they thought I was crazy. I saw a notation in a book that at some time in Irish history the Methodists and the Presbyterians were persecuted in Ireland. This was a big surprise to me and that is the only reference I have ever seen of such persecution. I suspect that it was not from Catholics because at that time they were busy fleeing religious persecution themselves. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca Rector" <rrector1@nycap.rr.com> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials > Bill - I think this is a great idea! And once we finish the Catholic > Churches, it would be nice to do some of the Protestant Churches also. > Many > Irish attended Protestant churches in the area. I have been computerizing > the vital records from North 2nd St. Methodist Church (at Historical > Society), and I'm seeing more and more Irish names, especially in the > later > records (1880's). > There also may be other buildings, such as chapels etc. in the area that > would have memorial windows. I am currently researching a family who had > a > memorial window at RPI, but sadly, the building burned in 1904. I wonder > what happened to those windows?? > Rebecca (count me in for helping with this project!) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn" <cohoes2@juno.com> > To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:02 AM > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials > > >> You know that when the St. John's (Episcopal) in Cohoes closed and moved >> to >> Vliet St.,the city of Cohoes took over the old church and now uses the >> building as the Cohoes Library. I really commend the politicians who made >> that possible. They were (of course) anxious to remove any signs of >> Christian habitation and in doing so donated four panels of stained glass >> windows to the new church. They did retain the Tiffany windows for >> obvious >> reasons. The new church paid to have the windows restored and mounted in >> the new church. When researching the windows for insurance purposes we >> discovered that they were the work of a man who survived the holocaust >> (he >> was in a concentration camp)and immigrated to this country where he >> eventually was commissioned to do windows in the National Cathedral in >> Washington. That certainly upped the premium! >> >> My point is this; that I have always felt a sense of sadness and loss >> when >> I >> see windows donated by people to honor their loved ones dumped along with >> the churches that housed them. I think it would be great to try and get >> some >> laws on the books to insure that they do not just crumble and fall apart. >> Certainly there are new churches that might want to inherit them and even >> pay for the restoration and installation in their churches. I was >> recently >> in St. Joseph's church (in Albany now in the process of restoration) for >> a >> concert and it was sad to see how the windows had deteriorated and how >> much >> it was going to cost to have them restored. Is there any organization >> that >> concerns itself with preserving the donated windows? Even if they just >> took >> pictures and recorded the information it would be a way of honoring the >> families who often sacrificed to donate a window in memory of their loved >> ones. I think they thought it would a memorial for ever. >> >> Another point...someone from Heritage Hunters told me that someone was >> transcribing the records from St. Particks church in Cohoes (closed by >> the >> Diocese quite a while ago) but I have not been able to track that down. >> The >> Catholic Diocese should be made aware that people are interested in >> transcribing records of churches that are closing. It drives me crazy >> when >> trying to get information and being told that the records were burned in >> a >> fire (like some of military records kept by the government and census >> records) or have been destroyed in some other kind of disaster. The more >> places the records are kept the safer our heritage. >> Anyway just a few thoughts. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Deerbea5@aol.com> >> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials >> >> >>> Bill >>> I think this is a fabulous idea When reading the story about St >>> Lawrence's >>> church It Made me think... It would be a great idea to take photo's >>> of >>> the Churches and other historical buildings to help preserve the >>> memory >>> of >>> them I remember St Lawrence's was a beautiful Church with Wooden >>> Altars >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 7/7/2008 11:35:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> seamus@nycap.rr.com writes: >>> >>> As a genealogy researcher we think of birth dates, marriage dates, >>> death >>> dates, as the bare bones of an ancestors record. What the individual >>> did >>> in >>> life, what were the accomplishments, what sacrifices were made, I >>> think >>> add >>> "flesh" to that ancestors bones and give us a better picture of that >>> individual >>> we never knew. >>> >>> If you look at the various TIGS projects on line, you will see that >>> approximately seven of the current TIGS projects reflect this thinking. >>> For example >>> with the Alderman data base, we can observe that our ancestor was a >>> Alderman >>> year in and year out in a particular ward in Troy or with the Bank >>> Officers >>> data base we can see a lifetime of service in a particular Troy Bank. >>> These >>> little details of a persons life add some "flesh" to that persons >>> history. >>> >>> So along this line it would be interesting to have some list discussion >>> on >>> the following idea for a new TIGS project. >>> >>> Last year while visiting a son in Ridgefield, Conn., I attended mass at >>> St. >>> Mary's Church and spent some time reading the various inscriptions on >>> the >>> stained glass windows. Lots of information on these memorials. Family >>> names, >>> individual names of family members, some dates of death, etc. I >>> thought >>> then >>> that this would be an interesting idea for a TIGS data base on the >>> various >>> memorials in Troy area churches. If your families ancestors scrimped >>> and >>> saved >>> to donate a church memorial which carries the family name wouldn't; you >>> like >>> to know about it? Does this information add "flesh" to that ancestors >>> bones? >>> >>> As many list members know, over the years Troy has seen Holy Trinity >>> Church, >>> St. Lawrence's Church and St. Jean deBaptiste Church all closed. If >>> there >>> were family names on memorials in these churches are they still there or >>> have they been removed? I know the names from my family's church, St. >>> Michael's, are long gone as the original building was destroyed by fire >>> in >>> the 1970's. >>> >>> With the recent announcement of the possible closing of the following >>> churches in Troy, how many more memorials with our ancestors names will >>> be lost? >>> >>> List of Troy Churches From The Albany Times Union: >>> >>> St. Mary's Church >>> St. Paul the Apostle Church >>> St. Peter's Church >>> St. Francis de Sales Church >>> St. William's Church >>> St. Patrick's Church >>> >>> So, if any list members have any thoughts on this idea, pro or con, >>> they >>> are >>> invited to post their comments to the list. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Bill McGrath >>> TIGS Project Coordinator >>> Clifton Park, NY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the >>> subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for >>> fuel-efficient used cars. >>> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) >>> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >>> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >>> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Save hundreds on an Unsecured Loan - Click here. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3iTUYK2n8WLEwlfFe8F9hDlF47vRkXdzIhoCnImgKoPWZX/ >> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Want to be an interior designer? 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Bill - I think this is a great idea! And once we finish the Catholic Churches, it would be nice to do some of the Protestant Churches also. Many Irish attended Protestant churches in the area. I have been computerizing the vital records from North 2nd St. Methodist Church (at Historical Society), and I'm seeing more and more Irish names, especially in the later records (1880's). There also may be other buildings, such as chapels etc. in the area that would have memorial windows. I am currently researching a family who had a memorial window at RPI, but sadly, the building burned in 1904. I wonder what happened to those windows?? Rebecca (count me in for helping with this project!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn" <cohoes2@juno.com> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials > You know that when the St. John's (Episcopal) in Cohoes closed and moved > to > Vliet St.,the city of Cohoes took over the old church and now uses the > building as the Cohoes Library. I really commend the politicians who made > that possible. They were (of course) anxious to remove any signs of > Christian habitation and in doing so donated four panels of stained glass > windows to the new church. They did retain the Tiffany windows for obvious > reasons. The new church paid to have the windows restored and mounted in > the new church. When researching the windows for insurance purposes we > discovered that they were the work of a man who survived the holocaust (he > was in a concentration camp)and immigrated to this country where he > eventually was commissioned to do windows in the National Cathedral in > Washington. That certainly upped the premium! > > My point is this; that I have always felt a sense of sadness and loss when > I > see windows donated by people to honor their loved ones dumped along with > the churches that housed them. I think it would be great to try and get > some > laws on the books to insure that they do not just crumble and fall apart. > Certainly there are new churches that might want to inherit them and even > pay for the restoration and installation in their churches. I was recently > in St. Joseph's church (in Albany now in the process of restoration) for a > concert and it was sad to see how the windows had deteriorated and how > much > it was going to cost to have them restored. Is there any organization that > concerns itself with preserving the donated windows? Even if they just > took > pictures and recorded the information it would be a way of honoring the > families who often sacrificed to donate a window in memory of their loved > ones. I think they thought it would a memorial for ever. > > Another point...someone from Heritage Hunters told me that someone was > transcribing the records from St. Particks church in Cohoes (closed by the > Diocese quite a while ago) but I have not been able to track that down. > The > Catholic Diocese should be made aware that people are interested in > transcribing records of churches that are closing. It drives me crazy when > trying to get information and being told that the records were burned in a > fire (like some of military records kept by the government and census > records) or have been destroyed in some other kind of disaster. The more > places the records are kept the safer our heritage. > Anyway just a few thoughts. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Deerbea5@aol.com> > To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS Data Base/Church Memorials > > >> Bill >> I think this is a fabulous idea When reading the story about St >> Lawrence's >> church It Made me think... It would be a great idea to take photo's >> of >> the Churches and other historical buildings to help preserve the memory >> of >> them I remember St Lawrence's was a beautiful Church with Wooden >> Altars >> Pat >> >> >> In a message dated 7/7/2008 11:35:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> seamus@nycap.rr.com writes: >> >> As a genealogy researcher we think of birth dates, marriage dates, death >> dates, as the bare bones of an ancestors record. What the individual >> did >> in >> life, what were the accomplishments, what sacrifices were made, I think >> add >> "flesh" to that ancestors bones and give us a better picture of that >> individual >> we never knew. >> >> If you look at the various TIGS projects on line, you will see that >> approximately seven of the current TIGS projects reflect this thinking. >> For example >> with the Alderman data base, we can observe that our ancestor was a >> Alderman >> year in and year out in a particular ward in Troy or with the Bank >> Officers >> data base we can see a lifetime of service in a particular Troy Bank. >> These >> little details of a persons life add some "flesh" to that persons >> history. >> >> So along this line it would be interesting to have some list discussion >> on >> the following idea for a new TIGS project. >> >> Last year while visiting a son in Ridgefield, Conn., I attended mass at >> St. >> Mary's Church and spent some time reading the various inscriptions on >> the >> stained glass windows. Lots of information on these memorials. Family >> names, >> individual names of family members, some dates of death, etc. I thought >> then >> that this would be an interesting idea for a TIGS data base on the >> various >> memorials in Troy area churches. If your families ancestors scrimped >> and >> saved >> to donate a church memorial which carries the family name wouldn't; you >> like >> to know about it? Does this information add "flesh" to that ancestors >> bones? >> >> As many list members know, over the years Troy has seen Holy Trinity >> Church, >> St. Lawrence's Church and St. Jean deBaptiste Church all closed. If >> there >> were family names on memorials in these churches are they still there or >> have they been removed? I know the names from my family's church, St. >> Michael's, are long gone as the original building was destroyed by fire >> in >> the 1970's. >> >> With the recent announcement of the possible closing of the following >> churches in Troy, how many more memorials with our ancestors names will >> be lost? >> >> List of Troy Churches From The Albany Times Union: >> >> St. Mary's Church >> St. Paul the Apostle Church >> St. Peter's Church >> St. Francis de Sales Church >> St. William's Church >> St. Patrick's Church >> >> So, if any list members have any thoughts on this idea, pro or con, they >> are >> invited to post their comments to the list. >> >> Regards, >> >> Bill McGrath >> TIGS Project Coordinator >> Clifton Park, NY >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Gas prices getting you down? 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Therese, let me extend my sincere condolences in the passing of your Dad.? He certainly sounds like a man who led a loving life. I am so glad that the group, TIGS, gave him some pleasure.? We do share some great memories on the list as we try to share our information with each other. Please stay on the mailing list for your Mom's benefit as well as your own.? As time go on the stories are going to be your closest and fondest time to share with your parents, here or gone, and to pass to your own children. Kristin Cooney-Ayotte Troy, NY -----Original Message----- From: Therese <tmack@hostpc.com> To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 7:44 pm Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] [Fwd: John Gavin] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: John Gavin Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:26:57 -0400 From: Therese <tmack@hostpc.com> Hi Everyone, I joined your group a few months ago because I saw some really fun and interesting things on it to share with my Mom and Dad who are from and were raised in South Troy. I've only been on a few times to thank you for information I could share with them or to share information about South Troy with you. They really enjoyed hearing all of the old familiar stories that I could share with them from the site. It brought back so many fun memories that really made them laugh and smile. Thank you for that. Unfortunately the reason I'm writing to you tonight is to let you know that God called my Dad Home on 7/4th. He had a stroke on 4/2 and never really recovered from that. He ended up getting pneumonia in the end and it took over his right lung and he just couldn't get over it. Thank God we were all (except for one of his grandsons who lives out of town), 26 of us with him in the end. My Mom is such a strong woman and is keeping up so well. We try to be her strength but she ends up being ours. She's just obviously so very sad. She had started dating my Dad 66 years ago at a "Lincoln Penny Serenade Dance" while he was in Lasalle and she was in Catholic Central. They were married for 58 years, had 6 kids, 8 grandchildren, and 2 great-grandchildren. He was waked in Leahy's funeral home which has always been very special to them, and was buried yesterday from St. Joseph's in Troy, where they grew up; were married; and 2 of my sisters and brothers were baptized in. They'd gone to many churches in their life, but even at the end, Dad (and Mom still does) belonged to St. Joseph's because it meant so much to them. Mom doesn't get out of the house at all because she has terribly painful arthritis. She didn't get to the wake or funeral (which was a beautiful ceremony at the military cemetery in Saratoga) because it would've been too much for her, and I know he was OK with that. They were such a wonderful couple. The best God could ask for. Dad put God first, family second and country third. He was a very proud Marine. Thank you all for all of your stories that I could share with them. It meant a lot to both of them. Therese Mack ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Did you pay your 2008 Dues? Troy Irish Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: John Gavin Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:26:57 -0400 From: Therese <tmack@hostpc.com> Hi Everyone, I joined your group a few months ago because I saw some really fun and interesting things on it to share with my Mom and Dad who are from and were raised in South Troy. I've only been on a few times to thank you for information I could share with them or to share information about South Troy with you. They really enjoyed hearing all of the old familiar stories that I could share with them from the site. It brought back so many fun memories that really made them laugh and smile. Thank you for that. Unfortunately the reason I'm writing to you tonight is to let you know that God called my Dad Home on 7/4th. He had a stroke on 4/2 and never really recovered from that. He ended up getting pneumonia in the end and it took over his right lung and he just couldn't get over it. Thank God we were all (except for one of his grandsons who lives out of town), 26 of us with him in the end. My Mom is such a strong woman and is keeping up so well. We try to be her strength but she ends up being ours. She's just obviously so very sad. She had started dating my Dad 66 years ago at a "Lincoln Penny Serenade Dance" while he was in Lasalle and she was in Catholic Central. They were married for 58 years, had 6 kids, 8 grandchildren, and 2 great-grandchildren. He was waked in Leahy's funeral home which has always been very special to them, and was buried yesterday from St. Joseph's in Troy, where they grew up; were married; and 2 of my sisters and brothers were baptized in. They'd gone to many churches in their life, but even at the end, Dad (and Mom still does) belonged to St. Joseph's because it meant so much to them. Mom doesn't get out of the house at all because she has terribly painful arthritis. She didn't get to the wake or funeral (which was a beautiful ceremony at the military cemetery in Saratoga) because it would've been too much for her, and I know he was OK with that. They were such a wonderful couple. The best God could ask for. Dad put God first, family second and country third. He was a very proud Marine. Thank you all for all of your stories that I could share with them. It meant a lot to both of them. Therese Mack