Marianne, Until around the 1850's everyone from Ireland, Ulster Scots and those from the rest of Ireland were all "Irish". After that time the label Scots-Irish or Ulster Scots came into use. The purpose was apparently to differentiate between the Presbyterians and the Catholics. I can locate the reference for that if you are interested. Jim O. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Arnold" <mamearnold@jetbroadband.com> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] A Research Surprise: Seeing Ireland fromAlaska Hi Mary Lee, Actually my husband isn't Irish. I have his family way back - some to the 1400s - and unless you count Ulster Scots, I haven't turned up a single Irishman or woman. I, on the other hand, am about 3/4 Irish, of the starving famine kind. He is descended from some of the same early New England puritans and quakers that Sarah Palin is. Parkhurst, Leete, Rice and Frost, and probably one of those Carters. I do have a Burke line, so that's a possibility for me. Given my druthers though, I'd just as soon pass! My daughter says, "If anyone asks, I'm adopted"! Marianne On Oct 3, 2008, at 3:18 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, Marianne, > > Which lines are they related through? Are they Roscommon lines? > Interesting. > > FYI, later yesterday I was interviewed by the Irish Times and they > had a story in today's paper, which is on-line at http:// > www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/ > 2008/1003/1222959305923.html. Just google the paper's name. And > then that led to an interview on RTE's radio program Morning > Ireland last evening and that too is on-line at their website: rte.ie. > > I didn't post about them since nobody had posted to my earlier note > so I thought there was little or no interest, which seemed strange > with John McEneny addressing Ballykilcline, in part, at this > month's meeting. Or that the debate itself was too distracting. I > was going to try to attend TIGS' October meeting but a family > member will be visiting, so I won't be there. Maybe sometime down > the road. > > Indeed it was hectic yesterday! > > Mary Lee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marianne Arnold <mamearnold@jetbroadband.com> > To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 2:37 pm > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] A Research Surprise: Seeing > Ireland from Alaska > > > > Dear Mary Lee, thanks for this information. I've been having all sort > f fun with my husband's family - they are related to Sarah about six > imes over. They are not happy campers! Marianne Arnold. > n Oct 2, 2008, at 5:32 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: >> Fellow Researchers, > > I had a news essay about Sarah Palin’s roots in Ireland published in > this week’s edition of The Irish Echo, poste > d at www.irishecho.com > (page 8). Working with her on-line lineage posted and updated at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/palin.htm, > help from Rutland researchers, and the databases I developed in > researching Ballykilcline Rising, I learned that her immigrant Irish > ancestor came out of the same conflicted terrain described in my book > -- from the townland across a narrow country road from > Ballykilcline -- > and went to Rutland, Vermont, before going west. > > Mary Lee Dunn > > PS Thanks to Peter Patten, Barbara Grenier, and Rosemary Vandenburg > for > help with this research and the genealogists -- Robert Battle, Tom > Brown, William Reitwiesner, Gary Boyd Roberts, and Michael Hurdle -- > who contributed to the posted on-line lineage. > > > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ==NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > id you pay your 2008 Dues? > roy Irish Genealogy Society > ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > he message > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Did you pay your 2008 Dues? 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Hi, Does anyone know about McCain's roots? It would be interesting to know. If you ever do research your Burke line let me know. v -------------- Original message -------------- From: Marianne Arnold <mamearnold@jetbroadband.com> > Hi Mary Lee, > Actually my husband isn't Irish. I have his family way back - some to > the 1400s - and unless you count Ulster Scots, I haven't turned up a > single Irishman or woman. I, on the other hand, am about 3/4 Irish, > of the starving famine kind. > > He is descended from some of the same early New England puritans and > quakers that Sarah Palin is. Parkhurst, Leete, Rice and Frost, and > probably one of those Carters. > > I do have a Burke line, so that's a possibility for me. Given my > druthers though, I'd just as soon pass! My daughter says, "If anyone > asks, I'm adopted"! Marianne > > > On Oct 3, 2008, at 3:18 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Hi, Marianne, > > > > Which lines are they related through? Are they Roscommon lines? > > Interesting. > > > > FYI, later yesterday I was interviewed by the Irish Times and they > > had a story in today's paper, which is on-line at http:// > > www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/ > > 2008/1003/1222959305923.html. Just google the paper's name. And > > then that led to an interview on RTE's radio program Morning > > Ireland last evening and that too is on-line at their website: rte.ie. > > > > I didn't post about them since nobody had posted to my earlier note > > so I thought there was little or no interest, which seemed strange > > with John McEneny addressing Ballykilcline, in part, at this > > month's meeting. Or that the debate itself was too distracting. I > > was going to try to attend TIGS' October meeting but a family > > member will be visiting, so I won't be there. Maybe sometime down > > the road. > > > > Indeed it was hectic yesterday! > > > > Mary Lee > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marianne Arnold > > To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 2:37 pm > > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] A Research Surprise: Seeing > > Ireland from Alaska > > > > > > > > Dear Mary Lee, thanks for this information. I've been having all sort > > f fun with my husband's family - they are related to Sarah about six > > imes over. They are not happy campers! Marianne Arnold. > > n Oct 2, 2008, at 5:32 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: > >> Fellow Researchers, > > > > I had a news essay about Sarah Palin’s roots in Ireland published in > > this week’s edition of The Irish Echo, poste > > d at www.irishecho.com > > (page 8). Working with her on-line lineage posted and updated at > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/palin.htm, > > help from Rutland researchers, and the databases I developed in > > researching Ballykilcline Rising, I learned that her immigrant Irish > > ancestor came out of the same conflicted terrain described in my book > > -- from the townland across a narrow country road from > > Ballykilcline -- > > and went to Rutland, Vermont, before going west. > > > > Mary Lee Dunn > > > > PS Thanks to Peter Patten, Barbara Grenier, and Rosemary Vandenburg > > for > > help with this research and the genealogists -- Robert Battle, Tom > > Brown, William Reitwiesner, Gary Boyd Roberts, and Michael Hurdle -- > > who contributed to the posted on-line lineage. > > > > > > > > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ==NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > > id you pay your 2008 Dues? > > roy Irish Genealogy Society > > ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > > ------------------------------ > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of > > he message > > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This link mentions all of the candidates Irish roots: http://www.irishtimes.com/indepth/uselections2008/features/features-smolenyak.html On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:31 PM, <gbfurry@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know about McCain's roots? It would be interesting to know. > > If you ever do research your Burke line let me know. > v >

Hi, Marianne, I have a Parkhurst line too. I lived for some years in Chelmsford, MA, and there were many Parkhursts there, including some of mine in the past. My next door neighbor then was named Frost, but she was a widow who was born in Springfield where I also once lived! There is a Chelmsford genealogy organization to which I belonged when I was there and at least one member was researching Carters. Mary Lee -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Arnold <mamearnold@jetbroadband.com> To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:04 am Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] A Research Surprise: Seeing Ireland from Alaska Hi Mary Lee, ctually my husband isn't Irish. I have his family way back - some to he 1400s - and unless you count Ulster Scots, I haven't turned up a ingle Irishman or woman. I, on the other hand, am about 3/4 Irish, f the starving famine kind. He is descended from some of the same early New England puritans and uakers that Sarah Palin is. Parkhurst, Leete, Rice and Frost, and robably one of those Carters. I do have a Burke line, so that's a possibility for me. Given my ruthers though, I'd just as soon pass! My daughter says, "If anyone sks, I'm adopted"! Marianne n Oct 3, 2008, at 3:18 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: > Hi, Marianne, Which lines are they related through? Are they Roscommon lines? Interesting. FYI, later yesterday I was interviewed by the Irish Times and they had a story=2 0in today's paper, which is on-line at http:// www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/ 2008/1003/1222959305923.html. Just google the paper's name. And then that led to an interview on RTE's radio program Morning Ireland last evening and that too is on-line at their website: rte.ie. I didn't post about them since nobody had posted to my earlier note so I thought there was little or no interest, which seemed strange with John McEneny addressing Ballykilcline, in part, at this month's meeting. Or that the debate itself was too distracting. I was going to try to attend TIGS' October meeting but a family member will be visiting, so I won't be there. Maybe sometime down the road. Indeed it was hectic yesterday! Mary Lee -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Arnold <mamearnold@jetbroadband.com> To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] A Research Surprise: Seeing Ireland from Alaska Dear Mary Lee, thanks for this information. I've been having all sort f fun with my husband's family - they are related to Sarah about six imes over. They are not happy campers! Marianne Arnold. n Oct 2, 2008, at 5:32 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: > Fellow Researchers, I had a news essay about Sarah Palin’s roots in Ireland published in this week’s edition of The Irish Echo, poste d at www.irishecho.com (page 8). Working with her on-line lineage posted a nd updated at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/palin.htm, help from Rutland researchers, and the databases I developed in researching Ballykilcline Rising, I learned that her immigrant Irish ancestor came out of the same conflicted terrain described in my book -- from the townland across a narrow country road from Ballykilcline -- and went to Rutland, Vermont, before going west. Mary Lee Dunn PS Thanks to Peter Patten, Barbara Grenier, and Rosemary Vandenburg for help with this research and the genealogists -- Robert Battle, Tom Brown, William Reitwiesner, Gary Boyd Roberts, and Michael Hurdle -- who contributed to the posted on-line lineage. ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Did you pay your 2008 Dues? Troy Irish Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== id you pay your 2008 Dues? roy Irish Genealogy Society ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Did you pay your 2008 Dues? Troy Irish20Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== id you pay your 2008 Dues? roy Irish Genealogy Society ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

How about a little less political commentary? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Arnold" <mamearnold@jetbroadband.com> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] A Research Surprise: Seeing Ireland fromAlaska Hi Mary Lee, Actually my husband isn't Irish. I have his family way back - some to the 1400s - and unless you count Ulster Scots, I haven't turned up a single Irishman or woman. I, on the other hand, am about 3/4 Irish, of the starving famine kind. He is descended from some of the same early New England puritans and quakers that Sarah Palin is. Parkhurst, Leete, Rice and Frost, and probably one of those Carters. I do have a Burke line, so that's a possibility for me. Given my druthers though, I'd just as soon pass! My daughter says, "If anyone asks, I'm adopted"! Marianne On Oct 3, 2008, at 3:18 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, Marianne, > > Which lines are they related through? Are they Roscommon lines? > Interesting. > > FYI, later yesterday I was interviewed by the Irish Times and they > had a story in today's paper, which is on-line at http:// > www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/ > 2008/1003/1222959305923.html. Just google the paper's name. And > then that led to an interview on RTE's radio program Morning > Ireland last evening and that too is on-line at their website: rte.ie. > > I didn't post about them since nobody had posted to my earlier note > so I thought there was little or no interest, which seemed strange > with John McEneny addressing Ballykilcline, in part, at this > month's meeting. Or that the debate itself was too distracting. I > was going to try to attend TIGS' October meeting but a family > member will be visiting, so I won't be there. Maybe sometime down > the road. > > Indeed it was hectic yesterday! > > Mary Lee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marianne Arnold <mamearnold@jetbroadband.com> > To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 2:37 pm > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] A Research Surprise: Seeing > Ireland from Alaska > > > > Dear Mary Lee, thanks for this information. I've been having all sort > f fun with my husband's family - they are related to Sarah about six > imes over. They are not happy campers! Marianne Arnold. > n Oct 2, 2008, at 5:32 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: >> Fellow Researchers, > > I had a news essay about Sarah Palin’s roots in Ireland published in > this week’s edition of The Irish Echo, poste > d at www.irishecho.com > (page 8). Working with her on-line lineage posted and updated at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/palin.htm, > help from Rutland researchers, and the databases I developed in > researching Ballykilcline Rising, I learned that her immigrant Irish > ancestor came out of the same conflicted terrain described in my book > -- from the townland across a narrow country road from > Ballykilcline -- > and went to Rutland, Vermont, before going west. > > Mary Lee Dunn > > PS Thanks to Peter Patten, Barbara Grenier, and Rosemary Vandenburg > for > help with this research and the genealogists -- Robert Battle, Tom > Brown, William Reitwiesner, Gary Boyd Roberts, and Michael Hurdle -- > who contributed to the posted on-line lineage. > > > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ==NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > id you pay your 2008 Dues? > roy Irish Genealogy Society > ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > he message > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Did you pay your 2008 Dues? Troy Irish Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary Lee, Actually my husband isn't Irish. I have his family way back - some to the 1400s - and unless you count Ulster Scots, I haven't turned up a single Irishman or woman. I, on the other hand, am about 3/4 Irish, of the starving famine kind. He is descended from some of the same early New England puritans and quakers that Sarah Palin is. Parkhurst, Leete, Rice and Frost, and probably one of those Carters. I do have a Burke line, so that's a possibility for me. Given my druthers though, I'd just as soon pass! My daughter says, "If anyone asks, I'm adopted"! Marianne On Oct 3, 2008, at 3:18 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, Marianne, > > Which lines are they related through? Are they Roscommon lines? > Interesting. > > FYI, later yesterday I was interviewed by the Irish Times and they > had a story in today's paper, which is on-line at http:// > www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/ > 2008/1003/1222959305923.html. Just google the paper's name. And > then that led to an interview on RTE's radio program Morning > Ireland last evening and that too is on-line at their website: rte.ie. > > I didn't post about them since nobody had posted to my earlier note > so I thought there was little or no interest, which seemed strange > with John McEneny addressing Ballykilcline, in part, at this > month's meeting. Or that the debate itself was too distracting. I > was going to try to attend TIGS' October meeting but a family > member will be visiting, so I won't be there. Maybe sometime down > the road. > > Indeed it was hectic yesterday! > > Mary Lee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marianne Arnold <mamearnold@jetbroadband.com> > To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 2:37 pm > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] A Research Surprise: Seeing > Ireland from Alaska > > > > Dear Mary Lee, thanks for this information. I've been having all sort > f fun with my husband's family - they are related to Sarah about six > imes over. They are not happy campers! Marianne Arnold. > n Oct 2, 2008, at 5:32 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: >> Fellow Researchers, > > I had a news essay about Sarah Palin’s roots in Ireland published in > this week’s edition of The Irish Echo, poste > d at www.irishecho.com > (page 8). Working with her on-line lineage posted and updated at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/palin.htm, > help from Rutland researchers, and the databases I developed in > researching Ballykilcline Rising, I learned that her immigrant Irish > ancestor came out of the same conflicted terrain described in my book > -- from the townland across a narrow country road from > Ballykilcline -- > and went to Rutland, Vermont, before going west. > > Mary Lee Dunn > > PS Thanks to Peter Patten, Barbara Grenier, and Rosemary Vandenburg > for > help with this research and the genealogists -- Robert Battle, Tom > Brown, William Reitwiesner, Gary Boyd Roberts, and Michael Hurdle -- > who contributed to the posted on-line lineage. > > > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ==NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > id you pay your 2008 Dues? > roy Irish Genealogy Society > ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > he message > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sunday July 27,2008TroyRecord Article 100years ago Monday July 27,1908 “An inquest is beginning today at Wager’s Hotel in Averill Park to determine if the county should continue its investigation into the alleged murder of Hazel Drew. Coroner M. H.Stroup ascended the platform and spoke to a human throng of interested persons. Most eyes are on William Taylor, the uncle of Hazel who ‘sat with his feet crossed looking at the floor,and Frank Smith, though but 17 years of age has a growth of hair on his upper lip and was smoking a cigar.” The first witnesses were the campers who discovered the body, Lorenzo Gruber and George White, who notified Gilbert Miller. Conrad Teal testifies as does Smith(for ½ hour) whose answers were direct and unhesitating. William Hoffey also testifies." Wednesday July 30,2008TroyRecord Article100yearsagoThursday July 30, 1908 “The coroners inquest in the Hazel Drew investigation , moves from Averill Park to Troy county court house today. The first witness is Prof E. R. Cary, Hazels former employer . >From February to July 6th when she quit. Cary testifies she left on her own account. Jeannette Marcellus is the person who saw Drew downtown in Union Station on July 7th afternoon. Her information led to the discovery of Drew’s suitcase. Hazel’s mother, Mrs John Drew, who says she last saw Hazel at home on July 2nd and had no inkling Hazel was going to leave her job at Prof Cary’ s. " **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

All are welcome to come. -----Original Message----- >From: The Browns <jbrown130@nycap.rr.com> >Sent: Oct 3, 2008 8:11 PM >To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] October TIGHS meeting > >Hi all, > >I would like to attend the October meeting and might possibly bring my >husband if he is up to it (three surgeries in three months sometimes he is >wiped out by evening!). Let me know if this is a problem. Thanks. >===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >Troy Irish Genealogy Society >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I would like to attend the October meeting and might possibly bring my husband if he is up to it (three surgeries in three months sometimes he is wiped out by evening!). Let me know if this is a problem. Thanks.

Interesting that others are reading about the candidates' genealogy! All 4 candidates have Irish roots and depending upon your take all seem to have the gift of the gab or the gift of eloquence. Here's an article from Irish Times about the genealogy of the candidates. http://www.irishtimes.com/indepth/uselections2008/features/features-smolenyak.html I don't see any obvious connections with any of them to my families but McCain's family name is McKean from County Antrim and one of my ancestors was McKeoghn or McKeon also from County Antrim. Our favorite is O'Bama! My daughters just received their "There's no one as Irish as Barack O'Bama" shirts yesterday. Here's the song -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKZryEAzUg On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:18 PM, <maryldunn@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi, Marianne, > > Which lines are they related through? Are they Roscommon lines? Interesting. > > FYI, later yesterday I was interviewed by the Irish Times and they had a story in today's paper, which is on-line at http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1003/1222959305923.html. Just google the paper's name. And then that led to an interview on RTE's radio program Morning Ireland last evening and that too is on-line at their website: rte.ie. > > I didn't post about them since nobody had posted to my earlier note so I thought there was little or no interest, which seemed strange with John McEneny addressing Ballykilcline, in part, at this month's meeting. Or that the debate itself was too distracting. I was going to try to attend TIGS' October meeting but a family member will be visiting, so I won't be there. Maybe sometime down the road. > > Indeed it was hectic yesterday! > > Mary Lee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marianne Arnold <mamearnold@jetbroadband.com> > To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 2:37 pm > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] A Research Surprise: Seeing Ireland from Alaska > > > > Dear Mary Lee, thanks for this information. I've been having all sort > f fun with my husband's family - they are related to Sarah about six > imes over. They are not happy campers! Marianne Arnold. > n Oct 2, 2008, at 5:32 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: >> Fellow Researchers, > > I had a news essay about Sarah Palin's roots in Ireland published in > this week's edition of The Irish Echo, poste > d at www.irishecho.com > (page 8). Working with her on-line lineage posted and updated at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/palin.htm, > help from Rutland researchers, and the databases I developed in > researching Ballykilcline Rising, I learned that her immigrant Irish > ancestor came out of the same conflicted terrain described in my book > -- from the townland across a narrow country road from > Ballykilcline -- > and went to Rutland, Vermont, before going west. > > Mary Lee Dunn > > PS Thanks to Peter Patten, Barbara Grenier, and Rosemary Vandenburg > for > help with this research and the genealogists -- Robert Battle, Tom > Brown, William Reitwiesner, Gary Boyd Roberts, and Michael Hurdle -- > who contributed to the posted on-line lineage. > > > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ==NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > id you pay your 2008 Dues? > roy Irish Genealogy Society > ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Eileen Callahan Werth

Hi, Marianne, Which lines are they related through? Are they Roscommon lines? Interesting. FYI, later yesterday I was interviewed by the Irish Times and they had a story in today's paper, which is on-line at http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1003/1222959305923.html. Just google the paper's name. And then that led to an interview on RTE's radio program Morning Ireland last evening and that too is on-line at their website: rte.ie. I didn't post about them since nobody had posted to my earlier note so I thought there was little or no interest, which seemed strange with John McEneny addressing Ballykilcline, in part, at this month's meeting. Or that the debate itself was too distracting. I was going to try to attend TIGS' October meeting but a family member will be visiting, so I won't be there. Maybe sometime down the road. Indeed it was hectic yesterday! Mary Lee -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Arnold <mamearnold@jetbroadband.com> To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] A Research Surprise: Seeing Ireland from Alaska Dear Mary Lee, thanks for this information. I've been having all sort f fun with my husband's family - they are related to Sarah about six imes over. They are not happy campers! Marianne Arnold. n Oct 2, 2008, at 5:32 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: > Fellow Researchers, I had a news essay about Sarah Palin’s roots in Ireland published in this week’s edition of The Irish Echo, poste d at www.irishecho.com (page 8). Working with her on-line lineage posted and updated at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/palin.htm, help from Rutland researchers, and the databases I developed in researching Ballykilcline Rising, I learned that her immigrant Irish ancestor came out of the same conflicted terrain described in my book -- from the townland across a narrow country road from Ballykilcline -- and went to Rutland, Vermont, before going west. Mary Lee Dunn PS Thanks to Peter Patten, Barbara Grenier, and Rosemary Vandenburg for help with this research and the genealogists -- Robert Battle, Tom Brown, William Reitwiesner, Gary Boyd Roberts, and Michael Hurdle -- who contributed to the posted on-line lineage. ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Did you pay your 2008 Dues? Troy Irish Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== id you pay your 2008 Dues? roy Irish Genealogy Society ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Dear Mary Lee, thanks for this information. I've been having all sort of fun with my husband's family - they are related to Sarah about six times over. They are not happy campers! Marianne Arnold. On Oct 2, 2008, at 5:32 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: > Fellow Researchers, > > I had a news essay about Sarah Palin’s roots in Ireland published in > this week’s edition of The Irish Echo, posted at www.irishecho.com > (page 8). Working with her on-line lineage posted and updated at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/palin.htm, > help from Rutland researchers, and the databases I developed in > researching Ballykilcline Rising, I learned that her immigrant Irish > ancestor came out of the same conflicted terrain described in my book > -- from the townland across a narrow country road from > Ballykilcline -- > and went to Rutland, Vermont, before going west. > > Mary Lee Dunn > > PS Thanks to Peter Patten, Barbara Grenier, and Rosemary Vandenburg > for > help with this research and the genealogists -- Robert Battle, Tom > Brown, William Reitwiesner, Gary Boyd Roberts, and Michael Hurdle -- > who contributed to the posted on-line lineage. > > > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tuesday July 29 ,2008 TroyRecord Article 100years agoWednesday June 29 , 1908 “DA Jarvis O’Brien dispatches two special officers to interview Michael Sowalsky in the Hazel Drew murder investigation. It turns out Sowalsky, who is described to possess a temple not gentle and knowing Drew, was home ill in bed, according to his parents, and did not know Drew. " Friday July 25, 2008 TroyRecord Article 100years agoSaturday July 25 , 1908 “The latest person of interest in the Hazel Drew murder investigation is the writer of anonymous postals and letters to Drew. Fitting the bill is Samuel LeRoy of 1621 Seventh Avenue, who once worked as a waiter in a Sand Lake hotel, then in the dining room of the Mansion House hotel in Troy and currently works on Pullman sleeping cars running between Albany and New York City. Asked to account for his whereabouts on the night of July 7th by DA O’Brien, LeRoy explains that he worked the Albany- NYC run from noon to 3;45 on the 6TH, stayed overnight at a boarding house and returned to Albany at 5 :50 am on the 7th. He and his wife were invited to attend a card party on the night of July 7th, but spent the night at home when the hostess rescheduled the event for the following night. He spent the crucial night “lying on a couch”,which in a separate interview his wife corroborates. LeRoy says he told the DA he did not know the girl, referring to Hazel Drew. " **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Fellow Researchers, I had a news essay about Sarah Palin’s roots in Ireland published in this week’s edition of The Irish Echo, posted at www.irishecho.com (page 8). Working with her on-line lineage posted and updated at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/palin.htm, help from Rutland researchers, and the databases I developed in researching Ballykilcline Rising, I learned that her immigrant Irish ancestor came out of the same conflicted terrain described in my book -- from the townland across a narrow country road from Ballykilcline -- and went to Rutland, Vermont, before going west. Mary Lee Dunn PS Thanks to Peter Patten, Barbara Grenier, and Rosemary Vandenburg for help with this research and the genealogists -- Robert Battle, Tom Brown, William Reitwiesner, Gary Boyd Roberts, and Michael Hurdle -- who contributed to the posted on-line lineage.

Thursday July 24 ,2008Troy Record Article 100years ago Friday July 24 , 1908 “The car Christopher Crape saw go by his hotel on the night close to Hazel Drew’s alleged murder was owned by Alexander Kramroth, an Albany furniture dealer. DA O’Brien doesn't seem to consider Kramoth a suspect. Investigators will intensify their interest in an Alps campground following the DA’S conference with Sheriff J. Irving Baucus. The campground has a reputation “ where purity and virtue are held lightly”. Wednesday July 23,2008TroyRecord Article100yearsagoThursday July 23,, 1908 “The photograph of the man in murder victim Hazel Drew’s suitcase has been identified by County Detective Duncan Kaye. His name is F. W. Schiafflin of Albany and he stated he met Hazel 3 years ago at the skating rink at Rensselaer Park. Hazel seemed to be a good natured jolly girl and he enjoyed her company.He hasn't seen her in the last 32 years. Special Officer William Powers learns about a campground on the mountains beyond Alps during a search of the area.The camp can be reached from Teals Pond by taking the road to Glass Lake and then on passing Brown’s Hotel at Crooked Lake and up to Stephentown Heights. Mr & Mrs William Clifford live near the camp and tells Powers on the night of July 6 or 7th she was awakened by screams of a woman. She called her husband and said You had better get up ; they are liable to be killing that young girl over there. The screaming stopped and her husband did not go out. The Cliffords are reportedly disgruntled ex employees of the campground,but 2 years ago two Albany girls emerged from the camp scantily dressed ,one solely in a rubber overcoat. Other girls have allegedly been detained there though telephone lines enabled them to call for help. Photo of the day Troy Record Wednesday July 23, 2008 1929 photo of Doris Wells Cunha at train station in Petersburgh **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Yes,Eileen,you may bring a guest or guests...we would like a good sized audience. See you then.Mimi ----- Original Message ----- From: <ERBPRETTYLADY@aol.com> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS meeting - Oct. 16 > Hi Mimi, I plan to attend the TIGS meeting on 10/16 at the ICC. Is it > possible to bring a guest(s)? Eileen Burton > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You may bring as many guests as you like....we hope for a good crowd. Mimi ----- Original Message ----- From: <ERBPRETTYLADY@aol.com> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] TIGS meeting - Oct. 16 > Hi Mimi, I plan to attend the TIGS meeting on 10/16 at the ICC. Is it > possible to bring a guest(s)? Eileen Burton > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tuesday July 22,2008 TroyRecord Article 100years agoWednesday June 22 , 1908 “District Attorney Jarvis P. O’Brien confers with the doctors who did the autopsy on Hazel Drew, who died July 7th,and the doctors now seem to be backing off from their earlier assertion that she was murdered. They say that life was extinct before she was thrown or fell into the water. They said distinctly there was a wound on the back of her head sufficient to cause death. How it was inflicted they would not say. Detectives are picking through more of Drew’s possessions and are intrigued by letters from Mr and Mrs Frank Jones of Waterville,ME. Mrs Jones,a former Troy resident,in one letter asks Hazel to tell her husband that he should not forget he has a wife in Waterville. More recently on July 16, Mrs Jones wrote to Hazel’s Aunt, Minnie Taylor, to assure her that she would destroy all her correspondence with Hazel except for 3 postcards "that could hurt no one". A request for further information on the Jone's gets an alarming response: Frank Jones has been missing and hunted by the Waterville police since last Saturday, July 18th.In a separate development, Detective Duncan C. Kaye is trying to determine the identity of a young man whose photograph is found in Drew’s suitcase. " **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Thank you both for your replies- I have already searched all civil records- there is no record of the marriage- do have the marriage certificate from St. Mary's RC church in Albany but there is no info on the couple except names & date of marriage. --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Lynne Sisk <siskabob@nycap.rr.com> wrote: From: Lynne Sisk <siskabob@nycap.rr.com> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Assistance Needed - Catherine Ryan POWELL To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 8:49 PM I found some family records and those marriages all took place in church. However, I don't think all marriages were reported in the earliest years. In many cases, I found that the civil records had more information than the church records. They are definitely worth exploring. ----- Original Message ----- From: <BZLho3dS@aol.com> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Assistance Needed - Catherine Ryan POWELL > This might not be any help, but ACHOR has a microfilm of marriages > occurring > in Albany. It may not include any marriages that took place in a church > but > may be worth exploring. I do not remember the dates that it covered, but > know > I found one that I was looking for, in 1896. It was not a Catholic > marriage. > However, if there was a secular wedding as well as a religious one, it > might > possibly be found on that film. Just a thought. > > > ........................................................................ > One last question please- does anyone know how to obtain information from > the > Albany County Roman Catholic diocese- trying to find information on a > wedding at St. Mary's Church - Catholic in Albany in 1893- church as > limited information- need birthdate of the bride.-church does not have > this information. > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Did you pay your 2008 Dues? Troy Irish Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That would be great! That's when mine came and they are virtually impossible to find! Marianne Arnold On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:26 PM, BZLho3dS@aol.com wrote: > Can anything be done to provide online notes, or a recap of some > kind for > those of us unable to attend the upcoming lecture on the Irish who > immigrated to > Troy during the Famine years ? So many of us had ancestors who > would have > been in that particular group that it would be wonderful if the > talk could be > audio taped, transcribed and put online for all. A lot of work on > short > notice. Just a thought... > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and > information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/? > NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message