There were some people doing research recently at the Troy Library who were descendants of Sarah O'BRIEN, born in Cohoes in 1854. I am researching the same O'Brien family. Please contact me at maltesemom@sc.rr.com. Thank you. M. Alice Mangan Okatie, SC

Brad, Marilyn Mahoney and I are both researching the Gallagher surname. I have not been in touch with her for a while and it seems her e-mail address has changed. On the TIGS website surname list, she is still listed with the old address. Would you please provide me with her current e-mail address? I was recently in Ireland and would like to share some information about the Gallaghers with her. Thank you. Kay Brearton Secretary, TIGS

I've been to a couple of their advents and they all been great! David Heritage Hunters of Saratoga County will hold their annual genealogy conference on Saturday, October 18, from 8:45 am to 3:15 pm at the United Methodist Church on the corner of Fifth and Henning Road in Saratoga Springs, less than a mile from Northway exit 14. John Colletta, a popular national genealogist lecturer and author, will present 4 workshops: Passenger Arrival Records, MIlitary Service Records, Lesser used Federal Records and Naturalization Records. The day begins with registration 8:45-9:20, followed by a welcome - workshops to follow. A coffee and exhibit break precedes workshop 2. A hot meal complete with home baked pies is served at noon. 2 workshops will be presented in the afternoon. Please call Joan Cady for more information - 518-587-2978 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

Heritage Hunters of Saratoga County will hold their annual genealogy conference on Saturday, October 18, from 8:45 am to 3:15 pm at the United Methodist Church on the corner of Fifth and Henning Road in Saratoga Springs, less than a mile from Northway exit 14. John Colletta, a popular national genealogist lecturer and author, will present 4 workshops: Passenger Arrival Records, MIlitary Service Records, Lesser used Federal Records and Naturalization Records. The day begins with registration 8:45-9:20, followed by a welcome - workshops to follow. A coffee and exhibit break precedes workshop 2. A hot meal complete with home baked pies is served at noon. 2 workshops will be presented in the afternoon. Please call Joan Cady for more information - 518-587-2978 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

I believe I have read that St. Paul's Church is now administered by St. Peter's Church. AL C

my family went to St. Pauls, in fact they rebuilt the original church, but their lives were centered around this Catholic Church. Since I hit the brick wall ten years ago, its now a dam. I saw the blip about Church Records and thought maybe someone could help me. When I was last in Troy I went by St. Paul's and nobody was there, except for a lady who knew nothing. I wonder do they still have old records? Does anyone know if they exist and how could one do a search from a distance. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks, jd

RootsWeb doesn't allow attachments. Terry in Mich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "VerCammen, Carol (DMH)" <Carol.Vercammen@state.ma.us> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Fwd: [NYALBANY] Conference > What conference? I had no attachment > > > Carol > >

What conference? I had no attachment Carol -----Original Message----- From: ny-troy-irish-gensoc-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-troy-irish-gensoc-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of NYChurchrecords@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:25 AM To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Fwd: [NYALBANY] Conference Hi I thought you call would be interested in this conference next week. David **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Did you pay your 2008 Dues? Troy Irish Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you- I wish I could be at the conference but unfortunately am out of state- I wish someone could tape or provide a printout of the conference I for one would be happy to pay any costs incurred. Darleen --- On Thu, 10/9/08, NYChurchrecords@aol.com <NYChurchrecords@aol.com> wrote: From: NYChurchrecords@aol.com <NYChurchrecords@aol.com> Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Fwd: [NYALBANY] Conference To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 12:25 AM Hi I thought you call would be interested in this conference next week. David **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Did you pay your 2008 Dues? Troy Irish Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What conference? No attachment. A -----Original Message----- From: ny-troy-irish-gensoc-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-troy-irish-gensoc-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of NYChurchrecords@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:25 AM To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Fwd: [NYALBANY] Conference Hi I thought you call would be interested in this conference next week. David **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Did you pay your 2008 Dues? Troy Irish Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I thought you call would be interested in this conference next week. David **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

Sounds like you ladies did alot of work and hopefully some of the rest of us can help in the Spring. I have already saved a ton of coffee containers and will gladly accept more at the next few meetings. BUT please not at this months meeting as we have some much going on with our Speaker and hopefully a hugh turnout. I am putting together a TIGS tote bag with items of Irish interest, including a copy of Mr. McEnenys book, "ALBANY/Capital City On The Hudson", An Illustrated History. Published in 2006 it has a painting by L.F. Tantillo, local artist, on the cover. We will raffle off the tote containing the book, a bottle of Jamesons Irish Whiskey (donated by Kay Brearton), a TIG's T-Shirt and several other items at the October meeting. Tickets will be $1.00 each or 3 for $2.00 and you must be present to win. However if you have a family member or friend that cannot be present and you want to collect money from them in advance for a chance, buy their ticket and be available to collect the prize for them, please do so. I am sure Mr. McEneny will be happy to autograph the book for the winner. We hope to raise some money with the raffle for future TIGS projects. Kris **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

Lois, you might want to go to the List Archives. Joyce said in her last post that it was the end of the story. The death of Hazel Drew was never solved. Terry in Mich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois" <lantana@npgcable.com> To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Drew, Wager, Stroup, Taylor, Smith, Gruber, White, Miller, Teal, Hoffey, Marcellus, Cary > Keep up the good work ! We are following the Hazel Drew articles > intently and hoping the authorities had solved this case. > Lois in AZ > >

Keep up the good work ! We are following the Hazel Drew articles intently and hoping the authorities had solved this case. Lois in AZ Joyce052@aol.com wrote: >Sunday July 27,2008TroyRecord Article 100years ago Monday July 27,1908 >“An inquest is beginning today at Wager’s Hotel in Averill Park to >determine if the county should continue its investigation into the alleged murder of >Hazel Drew. Coroner M. H.Stroup ascended the platform and spoke to a human >throng of interested persons. Most eyes are on William Taylor, the uncle of >Hazel who ‘sat with his feet crossed looking at the floor,and Frank Smith, >though but 17 years of age has a growth of hair on his upper lip and was smoking a >cigar.” The first witnesses were the campers who discovered the body, Lorenzo > Gruber and George White, who notified Gilbert Miller. Conrad Teal testifies >as does Smith(for ½ hour) whose answers were direct and unhesitating. William > Hoffey also testifies." > >Wednesday July 30,2008TroyRecord Article100yearsagoThursday July 30, 1908 >“The coroners inquest in the Hazel Drew investigation , moves from Averill >Park to Troy county court house today. The first witness is Prof E. R. >Cary, Hazels former employer . >From February to July 6th when she quit. Cary testifies she left on her own >account. Jeannette Marcellus is the person who saw Drew downtown in Union >Station on July 7th afternoon. Her information led to the discovery of Drew’s >suitcase. Hazel’s mother, Mrs John Drew, who says she last saw Hazel at home on > July 2nd and had no inkling Hazel was going to leave her job at Prof Cary’ >s. " > > > > >**************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. >Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! >(http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) >===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >Troy Irish Genealogy Society >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jim, Thanks for the information about the designation of the Ulster Scots as Irish. I knew they were in earlier days, but didn't know they ever differentiated between them. I'm sure you're right - it was to identify the Presbyterians. The other thing I've encountered is that Irish in this country often had Great Britain or England as their birthplace in the U. S. census, even when they were born in Ireland. I guess because they were considered British by the census taker. One of my daughter-in-law's family had it that way in the first two, then had IRISH FREE STATE in caps in the last one of them I found. I'm sure they insisted the census taker put it that way, since the rest of the sheet is in lower case, except for normal caps. Marianne On Oct 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, James L. Owens wrote: > Marianne, > > Until around the 1850's everyone from Ireland, Ulster Scots and > those from > the rest of Ireland were all "Irish". After that time the label > Scots-Irish > or Ulster Scots came into use. The purpose was apparently to > differentiate > between the Presbyterians and the Catholics. I can locate the > reference for > that if you are interested. > > Jim O. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marianne Arnold" <mamearnold@jetbroadband.com> > To: <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] A Research Surprise: Seeing > Ireland > fromAlaska > > > Hi Mary Lee, > Actually my husband isn't Irish. I have his family way back - some to > the 1400s - and unless you count Ulster Scots, I haven't turned up a > single Irishman or woman. I, on the other hand, am about 3/4 Irish, > of the starving famine kind. > > He is descended from some of the same early New England puritans and > quakers that Sarah Palin is. Parkhurst, Leete, Rice and Frost, and > probably one of those Carters. > > I do have a Burke line, so that's a possibility for me. Given my > druthers though, I'd just as soon pass! My daughter says, "If anyone > asks, I'm adopted"! Marianne > > > On Oct 3, 2008, at 3:18 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: > >> >> Hi, Marianne, >> >> Which lines are they related through? Are they Roscommon lines? >> Interesting. >> >> FYI, later yesterday I was interviewed by the Irish Times and they >> had a story in today's paper, which is on-line at http:// >> www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/ >> 2008/1003/1222959305923.html. Just google the paper's name. And >> then that led to an interview on RTE's radio program Morning >> Ireland last evening and that too is on-line at their website: >> rte.ie. >> >> I didn't post about them since nobody had posted to my earlier note >> so I thought there was little or no interest, which seemed strange >> with John McEneny addressing Ballykilcline, in part, at this >> month's meeting. Or that the debate itself was too distracting. I >> was going to try to attend TIGS' October meeting but a family >> member will be visiting, so I won't be there. Maybe sometime down >> the road. >> >> Indeed it was hectic yesterday! >> >> Mary Lee >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marianne Arnold <mamearnold@jetbroadband.com> >> To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 2:37 pm >> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] A Research Surprise: Seeing >> Ireland from Alaska >> >> >> >> Dear Mary Lee, thanks for this information. I've been having all sort >> f fun with my husband's family - they are related to Sarah about six >> imes over. They are not happy campers! Marianne Arnold. >> n Oct 2, 2008, at 5:32 PM, maryldunn@aol.com wrote: >>> Fellow Researchers, >> >> I had a news essay about Sarah Palin’s roots in Ireland published in >> this week’s edition of The Irish Echo, poste >> d at www.irishecho.com >> (page 8). Working with her on-line lineage posted and updated at >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/palin.htm, >> help from Rutland researchers, and the databases I developed in >> researching Ballykilcline Rising, I learned that her immigrant Irish >> ancestor came out of the same conflicted terrain described in my >> book >> -- from the townland across a narrow country road from >> Ballykilcline -- >> and went to Rutland, Vermont, before going west. >> >> Mary Lee Dunn >> >> PS Thanks to Peter Patten, Barbara Grenier, and Rosemary Vandenburg >> for >> help with this research and the genealogists -- Robert Battle, Tom >> Brown, William Reitwiesner, Gary Boyd Roberts, and Michael Hurdle -- >> who contributed to the posted on-line lineage. >> >> >> >> >> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- >> GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ==NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >> id you pay your 2008 Dues? >> roy Irish Genealogy Society >> ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >> ------------------------------ >> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- >> GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com >> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of >> he message >> >> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >> Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- >> GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Did you pay your 2008 Dues? > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH- > GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joyce, thanks for the story, even though we'll never know who did in poor Hazel Drew. They could have used CSI back then, I guess. Terry in Mich. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Joyce052@aol.com> > Sorry folks, that is the end of the Drew case to date - apparently never > solved.............. > >

I'm sad that there was no determination or resolve - I was clinging to every word! It was an enjoyable read! Jeanne in KC -----Original Message----- >From: BZLho3dS@aol.com >Sent: Oct 5, 2008 4:48 PM >To: ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Drew Articles > >Joyce, > >Thanks for sharing the articles about Hazel Drew . Very interesting reading. > > > >**************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. >Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! >(http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) >===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >Did you pay your 2008 Dues? >Troy Irish Genealogy Society >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joyce, Thanks for sharing the articles about Hazel Drew . Very interesting reading. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

Hi Mary Lee, My husband is descended from George Parkhurst and Phebe Leete's daughter Phebe, who married Thomas Arnold. He descends from both Thomas and Phebe's oldest son Richard and their youngest Eleazar - the latter through the female line via the Ballous. He is descended from both Tomasine Frost and her sister, whose name for the moment escapes me. Also from Edmund Rice and I haven't yet figured out those Carters. And from Henry Howland, brother of John Howland of Mayflower fame. Henry missed the boat! Gary Boyd Roberts always tells everyone, "Bill Arnold has all the blue blood, Marianne married 'up'!" But I wouldn't trade my starving shirt-tail Irish for all the blue blood out there. They were dealt lousy hands in life, rose to meet them and survived. I'm very proud of them. Sarah Palin has a wonderful American ancestry. I hope someone sorts it all out for her and presents her with the account. I disagree with her, but she is a remarkable young woman, with much to be admired. Marianne

Sorry folks, that is the end of the Drew case to date - apparently never solved.............. Monday August 4 ,2008 TroyRecord Article 100years agoTuesday August 4 ,1908 “ DA O’Brien interviews Carrie Weaver, the friend of Hazel Drew, and tells reporters that Weaver confirms what everyone who knew Drew said that”to the effect that she had no steady male company and her conduct was free from cause for comment.” The DA says the work on the case will be continued but the outlook for favorable results is not good”” Friday July 31, 2008 TroyRecord Article 100years agoSaturday July 31, 1908 “The coroners inquest has failed to affirm that Hazel Drew died by foul play. In an opinion published today Rensselaer County coroner M. H. Strope states that Drew” came to her death from extravasation of blood in the durameter caused by a blow on the head from some blunt instrument in some manner unknown. In other words she died from bleeding in the brain. DA O’Brien recalls special agents Louis Unser and William Powers from Taborton mountain where they have been investigating for nearly 3 weeks. The Record reporter says “ the case will go down in history as an unsolved problem unless something develops.” **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)