Awesome, Pat! You give us all renewed hope! Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] certificates giving up more than country > The death cert of my gr grandfather from Troy gave both his county of > birth > (Tipperary) and his parents full names and county of birth (Tipperary). > He > died in 1928. Also, his sister's death cert from Albany also gave the > county in Ireland for both her and her parents (all Tipperary). Also gave > full names. All agreed with her brother, my ggrandfather. I felt like I > hit pay dirt and felt very lucky. >

I found a county of origin in National Archives records related to my GGrandfather's pension file. I requested the civil war pension records for my maternal great-grandfather, Andrew Nugent from the National Archives. The records included three years of correspondence between his widow, my great-grandmother Mary Guinan Nugent and the Commisioner of Pensions, presenting her case to receive a widow's army pension. This correspondence gave me new information, including her parents and brothers names, and the date, town, and county in Ireland where (she claims) she was born as well as dates and addresses when and where the family lived in Troy and in Baltimore. The pension files from NARA are expensive ($75 minimum) but for me they provided info I don't think I would otherwise have found. On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Rosemary Kopczynski <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Just a curiosity... wondering if anyone on the list has ever seen an >> instance in a ca 1890-1920 (or any year for that matter) NYS marriage or >> death certificate of a parent's origin in Ireland has ever been listed? I >> believe they give the town if in NY, for example my great grandfather's >> stated his father was born in Cambridge NY. But has anyone ever seen a >> specific place in Ireland listed for a parent? Thanks, Michael > > >

The only record that I have found so far naming a birthplace for any one of my ancestors was the NY Emigrant Savings Bank on Ancestry.com. It named Co. Galway, included my gggrandparents' names and stated that my gggrandfather, Martin Reynolds, was deceased. That was a new piece of information for us. ( We had gone to Ireland and already discovered that the family had come from Co. Galway as we were able to find birth records for our grandfather's brothers who were born well after civil registration began.) Otherwise, all B-M-D certs that we have just say Ireland; no county name,no townland. Sent from my iPod

Michael, In all the death certificates and marriage certificates that I have received for relatives born in Ireland not one of them gives the town or even county.....it's just Ireland. Rosemary ________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of M McAlonie [[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:39 PM To: TIGS Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] question about info on NYS vitals stats certifiactes Just a curiosity... wondering if anyone on the list has ever seen an instance in a ca 1890-1920 (or any year for that matter) NYS marriage or death certificate of a parent's origin in Ireland has ever been listed? I believe they give the town if in NY, for example my great grandfather's stated his father was born in Cambridge NY. But has anyone ever seen a specific place in Ireland listed for a parent? Thanks, Michael ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website for details: Troy Irish Genealogy Society www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The death cert of my gr grandfather from Troy gave both his county of birth (Tipperary) and his parents full names and county of birth (Tipperary). He died in 1928. Also, his sister's death cert from Albany also gave the county in Ireland for both her and her parents (all Tipperary). Also gave full names. All agreed with her brother, my ggrandfather. I felt like I hit pay dirt and felt very lucky. Just a curiosity... wondering if anyone on the list has ever seen an > instance in a ca 1890-1920 (or any year for that matter) NYS marriage or > death certificate of a parent's origin in Ireland has ever been listed? I > believe they give the town if in NY, for example my great grandfather's > stated his father was born in Cambridge NY. But has anyone ever seen a > specific place in Ireland listed for a parent? Thanks, Michael -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I got the county in Ireland off a census once, which is rare, but never a death certificate. However, my first cousin got County Wexford off a Chicago death certificate once. Marianne Arnold. On Mar 29, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Donna K. Vaughn wrote: > I concur with Rosemary. I only once heard of someone getting the county in > Ireland from a death certificate. > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rosemary Kopczynski" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] question about info on NYS vitalsstats > certifiactes > > >> Michael, >> In all the death certificates and marriage certificates that I have >> received for relatives born in Ireland not one of them gives the town or >> even county.....it's just Ireland. >> Rosemary >> > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website for details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

what about a marriage certificate? > > I concur with Rosemary. I only once heard of someone getting the county in > Ireland from a death certificate. > > Donna >

I have a bunch of death cert. for that period that just say Ireland, no town, unfortunately. My ones from NY do say a town. Gail In a message dated 3/29/2012 4:39:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Just a curiosity... wondering if anyone on the list has ever seen an instance in a ca 1890-1920 (or any year for that matter) NYS marriage or death certificate of a parent's origin in Ireland has ever been listed? I believe they give the town if in NY, for example my great grandfather's stated his father was born in Cambridge NY. But has anyone ever seen a specific place in Ireland listed for a parent? Thanks, Michael ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website for details: Troy Irish Genealogy Society www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I concur with Rosemary. I only once heard of someone getting the county in Ireland from a death certificate. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Kopczynski" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] question about info on NYS vitalsstats certifiactes > Michael, > In all the death certificates and marriage certificates that I have > received for relatives born in Ireland not one of them gives the town or > even county.....it's just Ireland. > Rosemary >

Mike It varies. My gg grandfather got married in the Catholic church in Troy in November 1852 and the only information it had on it was the name of the bride and groom and the witnesses. When his brother got married in Montreal in 1843, the marriage information the names of the parents and perhaps the name of the county. Another set of gg grandparents got married in the Catholic Church in Oswego in May 1849. The CW pension record where the marriage "certificate" was found contains no more information because the local priest apparently kept the records in a little notebook, now lost. Having lots of Irish lines the only time I found out about the county much less the town they came from was either (a) an obituary or (b) family tradition which with the way Irish surnames only appear in certain counties --- that doesn't help isolate the information. Quite frankly, with my McGrath line (which is from of course Tipperary) I don't think they lived in a town but rather on plot of land on some English overlord's agricultural holdings. The entire family was uprooted in 1841 or 42 and went first to Canada. They were dirt poor so their passage may have been paid for by their English overlord to the cheapest destination as was the case with many Irish. They may never have remembered or cared what township they were from. The only Irish ancestor that I have a definitive place is my ggg grandparents Clugston who were from Newton-Hamilton in Ulster. How did I find this out? Well, my ggg grandmother was a devout Presbyterian and she gave a letter to the local Presbyterian church from the Presbyterian church in Ireland stating that she was a member in good standing and could be admitted to any Presbyterian congregation without any formal initiation. But then, most of my Irish ancestors are Catholic and it would be hard enough to find meaningful church records on them. I found that certainly between 1880 and 1910, the record keeping was hapazard and shoddy. You can more readily find vital statistics records on males, including church records, than you can on females is another problem you apparently haven't encountered. The city clerk cannot find a birth record for my grandmother who was born in 1889 in Oswego as her mother had been before her. The other problem I found was that in the records for the first generation of Irish - Americans, they wanted to cover-up their parents "foreign roots" so the country would suffice. And quite frankly, the recorders didn't care either. They weren't thinking about us! I know this isn't terribly helpful and doing research in this time period is consequently oh so frustrating. At some point, I decided that they were from "Ireland" or "Germany" and that my nephews and nieces who are now ggg grandchildren are happy enough that I got them back to the boat if not the old country. Best Tom Ebert --- On Thu, 3/29/12, M McAlonie <[email protected]> wrote: From: M McAlonie <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] question about info on NYS vitalsstats certifiactes To: "TIGS" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 3:40 PM what about a marriage certificate? > > I concur with Rosemary.  I only once heard of someone getting the county in > Ireland from a death certificate. > > Donna >                           ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**.  See the Website for details: Troy Irish Genealogy Society www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a curiosity... wondering if anyone on the list has ever seen an instance in a ca 1890-1920 (or any year for that matter) NYS marriage or death certificate of a parent's origin in Ireland has ever been listed? I believe they give the town if in NY, for example my great grandfather's stated his father was born in Cambridge NY. But has anyone ever seen a specific place in Ireland listed for a parent? Thanks, Michael

I believe that Maple Beach was another earlier name used for the amusement park called Al-Tro (Albany-Troy) Park which was in Menands, and now under Rt 787. On the bike path that runs along 787 there is a commemorative sign which I saw on a bike ride there last summer. I don't remember if the sign also notes it as Maple Beach. The Tower Maple Park postcard that Tim Hooley sent looks like it could be the same tower as this Al-Tro postcard: http://www.colonie.org/historian/altro/pages/street_scene2_gif.htm In this article http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nygreen2/old_timers_sloops_of_the_hudson_1966.htm about Hudson River ferryboats, it says /Many of us living remember the little sidewheeler steamboats that ran between Albany and Troy, Albany, the Capital City and Troy the Collar City, were and are thriving cities six miles apart .../ /During the warm summer months additional income was gained from amusement seekers as midway between the two cities, on the west bank of the river, was one of the largest amusement parks in the Capital district. At various times during the operation of this park it was under different various owners and was known as Maple Beach Park and in its later years, as Altro Park./ More info about Al-tro Park aka Maple Beach: http://lostamusementparks.napha.org/NewYork-Parks.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tro_Island_Park http://www.colonie.org/historian/altro/ > I have an old postcard photo dated 1916 and the only information written on it is the name of the two individuals in the photo and "Maple Beach". Is anyone familiar with a location by that name in this area? > > Thanks for any help. > > Kay Brearton >

http://www.cardcow.com/229813/tower-maple-beach-park-troy-new-york/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kay Brearton Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Maple Beach Donna, The postcard was unused and the only names on the card are my father and his first wife - "Patrick & Anna, Maple Beach". It was among some old photos my older sister gave me a few years ago. His first wife was her mother who died of TB at the age of 23. Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Maple Beach > There is a Maple Beach in Livingston County. > > Any postmark on the card, or is it unused? What are the names on the > card? > How did you obtain it? > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kay Brearton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:23 PM > Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Maple Beach > > >>I have an old postcard photo dated 1916 and the only information written >>on >>it is the name of the two individuals in the photo and "Maple Beach". Is >>anyone familiar with a location by that name in this area? >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Kay Brearton >> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >> Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website >> for details: >> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >> www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >> Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website > for details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website for details: Troy Irish Genealogy Society www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Donna, The postcard was unused and the only names on the card are my father and his first wife - "Patrick & Anna, Maple Beach". It was among some old photos my older sister gave me a few years ago. His first wife was her mother who died of TB at the age of 23. Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna K. Vaughn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Maple Beach > There is a Maple Beach in Livingston County. > > Any postmark on the card, or is it unused? What are the names on the > card? > How did you obtain it? > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kay Brearton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:23 PM > Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Maple Beach > > >>I have an old postcard photo dated 1916 and the only information written >>on >>it is the name of the two individuals in the photo and "Maple Beach". Is >>anyone familiar with a location by that name in this area? >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Kay Brearton >> ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== >> Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website >> for details: >> Troy Irish Genealogy Society >> www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ >> Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website > for details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you!

Did you find your people on the census? Some census indicate whether the person was naturalized. Scroll down to the sections on immigration and naturalization: http://www.archives.gov/research/census/1850-1930.html For the records: Watervliet is Albany County, and Albany Co. Hall of Records has a database index on line for those records. http://www.albanycounty.com/departments/achor/naturalizationindexes.asp?id=856 Troy would be the County Clerk's office Records Room on Third St., some info here http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrenss2/naturalization/#nat%20records Hudson would be the County Clerk's office at 560 Warren St. 518-828-3339. Hope that helps, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:40 PM Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Naturalization > Where would I start to determine if ancestors became naturalized > citizens? > The cities involved are Watervliet, Troy and Hudson. Thanks. > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website > for details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a Maple Beach in Livingston County. Any postmark on the card, or is it unused? What are the names on the card? How did you obtain it? Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Brearton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:23 PM Subject: [NY-TROY-IRISH-GENSOC] Maple Beach >I have an old postcard photo dated 1916 and the only information written on >it is the name of the two individuals in the photo and "Maple Beach". Is >anyone familiar with a location by that name in this area? > > Thanks for any help. > > Kay Brearton > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website > for details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where would I start to determine if ancestors became naturalized citizens? The cities involved are Watervliet, Troy and Hudson. Thanks.

I have an old postcard photo dated 1916 and the only information written on it is the name of the two individuals in the photo and "Maple Beach". Is anyone familiar with a location by that name in this area? Thanks for any help. Kay Brearton

Hi Tim, I know I said I'd be coming tonight but I am sick so won't be able to make it. Would someone please email to let me know where next month's mtg will be held? Thanks. Heidi Klinowski PS Happy St P's Day to all On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:20 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Tim, > I will be at the meeting......Bill McMahon > > > In a message dated 3/13/2012 7:34:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > TIGS meeting this 3/15/2012 6:30pm at Moscatiello, Let me know if you plan > to attend. Thanks. > > > > Tim > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website > for details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ===NY-IRISH-GENSOC Mailing List=== > Time for Society Members to pay up their **2012 Dues**. See the Website > for details: > Troy Irish Genealogy Society > www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ > Click ON - "JOIN TIGS NOW!" to get form. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >