Thanks for the replies. OK, I will clarify myself a little Abram and Andrew Williams were brothers, of whom I am trying to find the parents of. I have Abram's pension file and no names but I did get a description of him, blonde hair, blue eyes, 6 foot tall. That was great. He is my ggrandfather and I can't find his death date, altho his wife filed for the pension in 1907. I have been to the town clerks here where they lived and they don't have any information on their volunteering or entering service. I found Andrew on a Civil War list on the internet also as dying at Gaines Mill. Can't find it again, tho. This was listed in "History of Columbia County, NY": Andrew - enlisted April 22, 1861, 5th Regiment Co G, died of wounds received at Gaines Mills. Thanks for any help Lydia