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At 04:24 PM 2/26/00 -0500, TeriSue Bru wrote: >Where do I go to get this information as it was listed in a Civil War CD. ? >National Archives Microfilm Box, Roll, and Record: 000539, 0051, 00002570 These numbers don't look like the "normal" numbers used to describe National Archives (NA) microfilms, unless the "box" number is the microfilm series, which would make it M539, Roll 51, Record 2570. M539 is the Index to Compiled Civil War Service Records for Union Volunteers from Illinois. Does that sound right? If so, Roll 51 would cover names Lad-Lau. The NA has a microfilm rental program and many public libraries will also obtain the microfilms for you from the NA for a small fee. See http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/micrent.html. You will need a microfilm reader to view the film, but can generally take it to a library or Family History Center and use theirs. You can also try the local Family History Center in your area and see if it is available through them. It is sometimes hard to locate NA films in their catalog, the Family History Library Catalog (FHLC). The trick is not to search the "location" catalog under Illinois or US Civil War, but instead look in the "subject/author" catalog for National Archives and then locate film series M539. Hope this helps. ********** John Clavin | jjc@bga.com | Austin, TX **********

Where do I go to get this information as it was listed in a Civil War CD. ? Thank-you TeriSue Bru National Archives Microfilm Box, Roll, and Record: 000539, 0051, 00002570 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Recently found a very useful site for Civil War resources; some folks may already be familiar with it. Of most use is that it has e-mail addresses for contact people for nearly every unit that served (at least the New York units, which is where my interest lies.) So if you're looking for Civil War unit information, take a look at: http://www.sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war The units most of interest to me are the 77th and 93rd NY; if anyone has information, please send me a note. -- Carl Johnson cjohnson@nycap.rr.com http://home.nycap.rr.com/cjohnson Researching Peck, Johnson, Cath, Goodrich, Crisalle in Franklin, Essex, and Schenectady Counties, NY

Military service records are available from the National Archives although most from WWI and later were destroyed by fire (some information can be reconstructed). What time period did your relative serve? -----Original Message----- From: Carol [mailto:maranath@strato.net] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 8:50 AM To: NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NY-Mil] Re: NY-Military-D Digest V00 #32 My relative lived in Harding Park, Clason Point, Bronx, N.Y. I am new to genealogy and need help. Could someone please tell me who/what to contact for more information about his military service. I know he served in the Navy. I have his name, date of birth, marriage and death. I know his wife's name, name of some of his children, his parents and siblings names. He did not die in the service. Where do I write? Is there an online site? What information is in military records? Will they have a photograph of him somewhere? Thank you for any help, Carol in Florida -----Original Message----- From: NY-Military-D-request@rootsweb.com <NY-Military-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: NY-Military-D@rootsweb.com <NY-Military-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, February 25, 2000 9:22 AM Subject: NY-Military-D Digest V00 #32

My relative lived in Harding Park, Clason Point, Bronx, N.Y. I am new to genealogy and need help. Could someone please tell me who/what to contact for more information about his military service. I know he served in the Navy. I have his name, date of birth, marriage and death. I know his wife's name, name of some of his children, his parents and siblings names. He did not die in the service. Where do I write? Is there an online site? What information is in military records? Will they have a photograph of him somewhere? Thank you for any help, Carol in Florida -----Original Message----- From: NY-Military-D-request@rootsweb.com <NY-Military-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: NY-Military-D@rootsweb.com <NY-Military-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, February 25, 2000 9:22 AM Subject: NY-Military-D Digest V00 #32

Is there any way to find out which Buffalo, NY, draft board a person living at a certain address or in a particular ward would have registered with during World War I? Thanks. David Cornell

Bob Kirby, Another way to locate WW II missing and dead is to do a NAIL search at the National Archives. Go to the site, on the media box scroll down and select textual records only, and use the name of the county from which your person entered the service. After you get the search results you have to click the display results button. Among other hits, you will get a list of World War II Honored Dead and Missing. They list the person by name, rank and service number. This was done for every county in the US and in the territories. It will only display those who died or went missing while in a line of duty status. Make sure you read the introductory pages as they give the definitions of all the abbreviations, and how and why the lists were made. With that info, you should be able to get a service record, if it was not destroyed or if it is one of those rebuilt since the fire from other records. This is the NARA NAIL search site: http://www.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/0?path=standard.txt&id=demo&pass=& OK=OK Make sure you get all of the above url. If it is not all blue to the second OK it will not work and you will have to copy and paste it into your address bar. Good luck. Good Hunting Marianne Victory Purdy Check my genes at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mariannevictorypurdy/ On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:51:19 EST Asiltrebor@aol.com writes: > My father and his brothers all served in WWII, in the Marines, Navy, > Army and > Army Air Corp. My mother's brothers also. My father is the only > one left > alive and at 82, his memory is fading. How can I get hold of their > military > records, or at least find out what unit they were in and where they > served? > One uncle was killed flying over Burma, one served in France, 2 in > the > Pacific. One was in the SeeBees in Alaska but thats all I know. > > Thanks, > Bob Kirby > asiltrebor@aol.com >

Well first you have to reverse the order of your request. You need either a serial number or a unit to get anywhere with the Military Personnel records Center. Usually those requests are sent on a Form 180 and sent to the National Personnel Records Center, St Louis Missouri. About 80% of the US Army records from 1912 to 1959 were destroyed in a fire there in 1973. However if they applied for VA benefits before the fire it is likely that through the VA you can obtain information because the VA would request copies of the serviceman's records to process their claim. For the Navy and Marines, those records were not in the fire and if you know the ship that the navy men were on and the time frame, the National Archives in College Park MD has Rosters for Navy Ships. They also have Ship's Logs that will give every zig and zag of the ship. For the uncle that was killed in the Army Air Corps, there should be Missing Air Crew Reports for him. Generally you need to know the date the plane went down and what kind of a plane that it was . Presently there are finding aids by date of crash and by plane serial number. If you have the Squadron or Bomb Group that will help with the date in locating the probable MACR. These are located at the National Archives at College Park MD. They are presently working on a name index for the Missing Air Crew Reports but that does not exist at present. So you sort of have to go in through the date of the crash and location and look up those MACRs and see which ones may be your uncle. Once you know the unit then you may be able to find Mission Reports for the particular squadron or bomb group. If you know the state and the county that he was from there are some memorial books and it will give the serial number. Or, it is possible at the US Military History Institute at Carlisle Barracks PA there is a microfische, RG 92, by the Quartermaster Corps Graves Registration, alphabetized, that lists casualties that were first buried overseas and then tells if they were returned to the states or if they are in a military cemetery overseas it will give the cemetery and the Section and grave number. You can then contact the American Battle Monuments Commission which maintains all cemeteries overseas of US Military. I hope that this helps. John Bowen There is no consolidated list of WWII veterans ----- Original Message ----- From: <Asiltrebor@aol.com> To: <NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 9:51 PM Subject: [NY-Mil] Finding WWII records > My father and his brothers all served in WWII, in the Marines, Navy, Army and > Army Air Corp. My mother's brothers also. My father is the only one left > alive and at 82, his memory is fading. How can I get hold of their military > records, or at least find out what unit they were in and where they served? > One uncle was killed flying over Burma, one served in France, 2 in the > Pacific. One was in the SeeBees in Alaska but thats all I know. > > Thanks, > Bob Kirby > asiltrebor@aol.com > >

Try town, county and state histories. People were considered in the service if they were a part of the militia. Also, if they or their village was attacked by the Indians and they defended themselves. There was no organized national service. These were separate colonies who had their own militia or minutemen that defended the villages. some English soldiers were here but most were fighting in England against the French. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Phillips" <john.phillips4@virgin.net> To: <NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:08 AM Subject: [NY-Mil] MILITARY SERVICE RECORDS PRE 1776 > Hi All, > > Can SKS please tell me where I might find service records for a Captain > Verdine Elsworth who served in the French/Indian Wars of the late 1750 > period (I think). NARA do not keep records prior to the Revolution they tell > me, so now I have to start again. > > Many thanks > > John > PERPETUALLY SEEKING: > RYSDYK in Holland and New York: ELSWORTH in New York: PHILLIPS in London: > GRASEMANN in Germany and London: > BRICKS IN MY BRICKWALL INCLUDE: LEVERSTONE, ALLEN, PETLEY, RAINES, > LEGASSICKE, WOODHAM, URMSON, ARNOLD, KING, ACOTT, TROTTER, ANDERSON, HOWELS, > MITCHELL, ALFORD, WILLIS, TROTMAN, MANSFIELD, SWINDLE, NICKELS, PAVEY, > ELWES, ILOTT, AND BEAUFORT. > >

My father and his brothers all served in WWII, in the Marines, Navy, Army and Army Air Corp. My mother's brothers also. My father is the only one left alive and at 82, his memory is fading. How can I get hold of their military records, or at least find out what unit they were in and where they served? One uncle was killed flying over Burma, one served in France, 2 in the Pacific. One was in the SeeBees in Alaska but thats all I know. Thanks, Bob Kirby asiltrebor@aol.com

Hi All, Can SKS please tell me where I might find service records for a Captain Verdine Elsworth who served in the French/Indian Wars of the late 1750 period (I think). NARA do not keep records prior to the Revolution they tell me, so now I have to start again. Many thanks John PERPETUALLY SEEKING: RYSDYK in Holland and New York: ELSWORTH in New York: PHILLIPS in London: GRASEMANN in Germany and London: BRICKS IN MY BRICKWALL INCLUDE: LEVERSTONE, ALLEN, PETLEY, RAINES, LEGASSICKE, WOODHAM, URMSON, ARNOLD, KING, ACOTT, TROTTER, ANDERSON, HOWELS, MITCHELL, ALFORD, WILLIS, TROTMAN, MANSFIELD, SWINDLE, NICKELS, PAVEY, ELWES, ILOTT, AND BEAUFORT.

A matross is an artilleryman, one of the gun crew. ----- Original Message ----- From: <NY-Military-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <NY-Military-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 2:19 AM Subject: NY-Military-D Digest V00 #28

A veteran of the Revolutionary War was called a Pvt. and a Matross. What is a Matross? This man served from Massachusetts if that makes a difference. Dorrie in Lexington, MA FERRETT99@Prodigy.net Poor Spellers of the World, Untie!

Hi List Any information around on WW1 servicemen from NYC ? John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi List I need some help on locating information on my great uncle Jonathan Scanlon--served in USMC during WW1 from New York City.He was mustard gassed while overseas,survived and died yrs later from its effects. Any help at all will be apprecieated. Thanks John Scanlon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

In the book "The Great War" A guide to the Service Records of all the Worlds Fighting Men and Volunteers. By Christina K. Schaeffer pub by the Genealogical Publishing Co.. There is talked about National Archives Record Group 127, Marine records. This group has alphabetical card lists of enlised men 1798-1941, deaths of enlisted men 1838-1942, discharges of enlisted men 1829-1927, casualty card lists 1776-1945, muster rolls 1798-1945 (T1118) among other records. Good luck in your search. John JSca844165@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Listers > Trying to find Info on a WW1 Marine-name Scanlon-(First name unknown) > I tried the book"How to locate anyone who is or has been in the military" it > is a good reference book but not for WW1.I'm pretty sure my ancester enlisted > in new york city.The only other info I have is he was overseas where he was > mustard gassed,he surived but died yrs later of effects of the gas, he also > had a older brother Dennis David Scanlon.Any help would be appreciated. > Regards > John Scanlon

It may depend on what the disability was. One of my grandfather's brothers entered the army about 1901, shortly after the Spanish-American War, and served in the Philippines. He contracted TB while in the army and spent several years in a military hospital in New Mexico before being discharged for disability about 1909. He died of TB in 1913 at age 30. NARA didn't find any pension file for him. -----Original Message----- From: John Clavin [mailto:jjc@bga.com] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 10:34 PM To: NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NY-Mil] Re: Gravestone problem At 05:49 PM 2/19/00 -0500, you wrote: > Thanks for the insight. Would he have a pension file seeing as he died > at age 35? I did send to the National Archives and they could not find > anything on him, I have now sent to NY State Archives hoping they may > have some information. Wouldn't he have had to apply for a pension to > have a pension file though? I did get the Civil War pension records for > my gr grandfather and they contain a lot of information. Thanks - Eileen Eileen, I am sending theis reply to the list as well because it contains some information which may be of interest to others. He most likely would have a pension file if he was disabled during the war and was awarded a disbility pension, which is a distinct possibility if he died in 1909 at such a young age. I am not certain of the pension rules for those years relating to Spanish American War vets, but the surviving family may have also been able to claim a pension if he died of a "service connected disability". However, if you have already checked that avenue with the NA, then it appears to be a dead end. New York State Archives may be a possibility, but I don't think they have as much info on the Spanish-American War soldiers as they do on the Civil War. Another place to try is the Military History Institute at US Army Carlisle Barracks: http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/ although, again, they are somewhat more useful for the Civil War. Try local newspapers of the era. They may not be in your local library any longer, but some are available at the State Archives or major universities. See the NY State Newspaper Project at: http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/nysnp/ You may be able to locate an obituary. Depending on the size of the paper and town, there may also be an earlier article about him "going off to war". ***** John Clavin | NY-Military-L List Administrator | jjc@bga.com *****

Tam, There is no Stephen R. Dolton in the roster that I have of the 9th NYHA. If he was discharged for a service-related disability, he probably got a pension. There was definitely money paid for pensions although the amounts seem puny today. One of my g-g-grandfathers was hit by a musket ball in the left foot and lost three toes and part of the foot. He was awarded a 1/4 pension amounting to $6.00 per month. It had been increased to $10.00 by the time of his death in 1898. Ancestry gets its Civil War data from Historical Data Systems (www.civilwardata.com). The HDS site shows the information that you have below, it allows more search options than the Ancestry one. You can get copies of the service records and pension files for Stephen R. Dolton from the National Archives and Records Administration for $10.00 each. The pension file in particular frequently has a lot of good genealogical information, especially if a dependent applied for a pension at some point. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Tamaris Dolton [mailto:aduck@together.net] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 6:53 AM To: garywelch@alum.rit.edu Cc: NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-Mil] Civil war soldiers Gary and all: This was sent me on a look-up DOLTON-card file-Indian Mound-Sec 7 Lot 33 Stephen R. Dolton, Co. B 9th NY H Art. 1832-1918 (GAR Emblem) On same card: Orlando Lillie, Co. B 91 Reg. NYV 1841-1904 (GAR Emblem) Maryette Lillie Loyster, 1849-1928 Alonzo Lillie, Co. I 111 Reg. NYV 1837-1906 I have been to the 111th and found Alonzo and his brother (?) Jabez but I can't find the 9th Artillery. Ialso have found an Albert DOLTON in the 111th. Punching in Stephen R. DOLTON on a Civil War site (Ancestry) I came up with Co. D 75 NY Inf. private enlisted 14 oct. 1861 Lockport NY...discharged disability on 09 dec. 1863. Would this mean that this man received a pension ??? I know so little about the Civil War. Was there even enough $$ for pensions ??? If this is my man I've been looking for him for 33 years....what a find this would be. Thank all of you for your help. I sure do love this computer. Tam in NY Searching: DOLTON SMITH SEARLES APGAR BULLOCK GILBERT CREELY Gary Welch wrote: > > Tam, > > I have a copy of the roster of the 9th N.Y.H.A. and will do lookups for > anyone interested. > > Gary Welch > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tamaris Dolton [mailto:aduck@together.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 5:04 AM > To: NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NY-Mil] Civil war soldiers > > Help....deleted the site ...where can I find Civil War soldiers...to be > specfic Co. B 9th NY H Art. Tam in NY > > ______________________________

Can any one advise how I might obtain additional information on Samuel Gould? His birthplace, parents, etc.? Would appreciate any help. Milli Gould Civil War Roster 111th New York Volunteer Infantry "The Wayne and Cayuga Regiment" 3d Brigade, 1st Division, 2d Corps, Army of the Potomac Gould, Samuel F.--age 37 Enlisted at Seneca Falls to serve three years. Wounded in action, 3 Jun 1864, at Cold Harbor, VA.; mustered out, 15 May 1865, at Rochester, NY.