Ronald, Have you tried the National Archives in Washington DC? If "grandpa" was a soldier in the CW they would have a military [and possibly a pension file] for him. They will provide photocopies of most of his records. Mary

At 12:52 PM 4/8/00 -0400, devt@webtv.net wrote: >John, > I hear they have a public swimming pool in Austin that has live fish > in it. >is this so or just local humor. Well, I don't know about fish, but how about salamanders? Austin has Barton Springs Pool which is a swimming hole in the city park fed by a natural spring. It is as much a part of the Austin identity as Times Square is to New York. Worrying about those little salamanders, which are a species unique to Barton Springs, is a major occupation for the area's environmentalists. (And we do have a lot of very vocal environmentalists in Austin, salamanders aside). And actually Austin is only my adopted home, I am a transplant originally from Hudson/Bergen Counties in NJ. ********** John Clavin | jjc@bga.com | Austin, TX **********

John, I hear they have a public swimming pool in Austin that has live fish in it. is this so or just local humor. Please excuse this breach of protocol. thanks dan in pennsylvana

At 08:28 PM 4/7/00 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks to everyone who responded enthusiastically to my offer to host and >post an FAQ page for this list. Now I need some real help. Our >administrator, John Clavin, has graciously offered to put together some >frequently asked questions (and, more important, the answers!). If anyone >else on the list has had a question successfully answered that might prove >of general interest, please forward it. In addition, I'll need links to >websites that can help us in our military research (I know about NARA, but >not much else). Be patient, it'll probably take me a week or two before I >get anything together, and I'll post to the list when I have the address >established. It appears there is already a start at a good resource page for NY Military issues already in existence on rootsweb at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyontari/military.htm While we still may need a FAQ, we probably need to think a little about what would go on the FAQ page so as not to just duplicate something already available. Any ideas or suggestions? ********** John Clavin | jjc@bga.com | Austin, TX **********

New York State and the Civil War: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/local_history/sites/ New York State Division of Military and Naval Affairs: Military History: http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/historic/mil-hist.html New York City Public Library Spanish-American War Research Guide: http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/grd/resguides/spanamerwar/index.html ********** John Clavin | jjc@bga.com | Austin, TX **********

Thanks to everyone who responded enthusiastically to my offer to host and post an FAQ page for this list. Now I need some real help. Our administrator, John Clavin, has graciously offered to put together some frequently asked questions (and, more important, the answers!). If anyone else on the list has had a question successfully answered that might prove of general interest, please forward it. In addition, I'll need links to websites that can help us in our military research (I know about NARA, but not much else). Be patient, it'll probably take me a week or two before I get anything together, and I'll post to the list when I have the address established. -- Carl Johnson cjohnson@nycap.rr.com http://home.nycap.rr.com/cjohnson Researching Peck, Johnson, Cath, Goodrich, Crisalle in Franklin, Essex, and Schenectady Counties, NY

At 05:04 PM 4/4/00 -0500, Carl Johnson wrote: >Seems like this is the kind of list where people come and go at various >levels of research knowledge. If people were willing to pull together some >FAQ's, I'd be happy to host an FAQ page at my website. Any interest? I think a FAQ is an *excellent* idea for this list. It has been something in the back of my mind since I took over as administrator. A lot of newbies to the list come looking for something very specific, such as how to find out their great-grandfather's civil war unit. The answers pretty much the same and it can get a little tiring to try and answer them. From what I have seen, people on the list do a great job, but this is a small list and there are not that many of us to keep helping with the same questions. In addition to posting on the web site proposed by Carl, I could also include a tag-line in the messages from the list which would reference it. It possibly could also be included into some of the canned, but generally worthless help messages that the list now kicks out for new subscribers. I can contibute some FAQ material on civil war sources in general, and for NY specifically, but I am not as up to speed on the Revolutionary War. ***** John Clavin | NY-Military-L List Administrator | jjc@bga.com *****

Seems like this is the kind of list where people come and go at various levels of research knowledge. If people were willing to pull together some FAQ's, I'd be happy to host an FAQ page at my website. Any interest? -- Carl Johnson cjohnson@nycap.rr.com http://home.nycap.rr.com/cjohnson Researching Peck, Johnson, Cath, Goodrich, Crisalle in Franklin, Essex, and Schenectady Counties, NY

I'm the furthest thing from a Civil War expert, but my understanding of how bounties worked is that each county was assigned a quota of troops it was expected to supply, and essentially no resources for creating incentives (promises of land had been used in the Revolution and, I believe, 1812), so they resorted to bounties to induce enlistment. The bounties varied by county depending on how much they had to offer to make their quota. This is completely different from the substitution fee, by which a draftee could pay a fee (usually $300) to have a substitute serve in his place. -- Carl Johnson cjohnson@nycap.rr.com http://home.nycap.rr.com/cjohnson Researching Peck, Johnson, Cath, Goodrich, Crisalle in Franklin, Essex, and Schenectady Counties, NY

I HAVE BEEN TRYING TOGET INFORMATION ON WILLIAM ALFRED CHAPMAN,BORN 2-6-1922; AND DIED 2-16-1970. HE WAS A MASTER SGT IN THE MARINE CORP AND WAS SENT OVERSEAS DURING WWII. I CAN'T FIND HIS SS# BUT I DO HAVE HIS MILITARY #. MY CHILDREN HAVE NEVER KNOWN HIM, HE WAS A QUIET MAN AND I;D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM ANY INFORMATION I CAN OBTAIN FOR THEM. http://community.webtv.net/Auntparfay/

Hi all A distant relative deserted from 7th NJ Infantry in 1863. He just walked away from a route march near Frederick City, taking musket and equipment with him. He appears to have been home by 1865. What measures were taken by the authorities against deserters? Was a general pardon issued at the end of the war? I would be interested in details please. Many thanks John PERPETUALLY SEEKING: RYSDYK in Holland and New York/New Jersey: ELSWORTH in New York: PHILLIPS in London: GRASEMANN in Germany and London: BRICKS IN MY BRICKWALL INCLUDE: LEVERSTONE, ALLEN, PETLEY, RAINES, LEGASSICKE, WOODHAM, URMSON, ARNOLD, KING, ACOTT, TROTTER, ANDERSON, HOWELS, MITCHELL, ALFORD, WILLIS, TROTMAN, MANSFIELD, SWINDLE, NICKELS, PAVEY, ELWES, ILOTT, AND BEAUFORT, all in the UK.

DOES ANYONE HAVE INFO ON ; WILLIAM ALFRED CHAPMAN, BORN FEB 6 1922-DIED FEB 16 1970. HE WAS A US MARINE SERVED DURING WWII AND MADE THE RANK OF M/SGT. MY CHILDREN HAVE NEVER MET THEIR GRANDFATHER AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM SOME HISTORY ABOUT HIM, AND WHERE HE WAS DURING WWII. THANKS http://community.webtv.net/Auntparfay/

Hello members; I saw 3 books mentioned on the Ontario Co GenWeb page with info on persons from NY in the War of 1812. They are supposed to be in the state library at Albany. I wondered if anyone has a copy of any of them, and would be willing to do a look-up. "Military Minutes of the Council of Appointments of the State of New York, 1783-1821"; printed by J. B. Lyon, State Printer 1901-1902, 3 volumes and index. "Index of Awards or Claims of the Soldiers of the War if 1812", Baltimore Publishing Co, 1969. "List of Pensioners & Survivors of the War of 1812"; taken from the list of pensioners on the roll, Jan 1, 1883, State of New York. 1935. The 2 men I am interested in are; Charles CULVER, dates MAY be 1788-1819, resident of Gorham, Ontario, NY bef 1812, married circa 1810 Abigail PIXLEY. Fones RICE, administered Culver estates in Seneca, Ontario, Co in 1802 and 1808, and possibly living in Gorham 1845, married before 1802, unknown CULVER. I'd really appreciate any information at all on these 2 men, from these books or anywhere else. They are elusive. Thanks very much. Ida RODRICK WIESE Minnesota

Purple hearts are awarded to people wounded in action or while on duty. Bronze stars are for bravery in extreme circumstances and are the third highest award that any serviceman can earn. Only a silver star and Medal of Honor are higher. Look for the Elbe River in Germany. Find Hanover and Berlin. The River pretty much runs from one to the other. There was fighting all over this area. A history of WWII might list the battle and where it took place exactly. Also the date but I would guess 1944-45. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenn" <jenny1shu@prodigy.net> To: <NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: [NY-Mil] new to the list > I am new to this list and was wondering if anyone could help me. I have a DD > 48 my grandfather filled out for security clearance? Does anyone know what > type of security clearance can be obtained with this form? On it he lists > his dates of service as: > > 4/14/1937 - 4/13/1940 US Army Coats Artillery (Corporal) > > 4/12/1944 - 1/7/1946 US Army Infantry ( Sergeant) > > 10/2/1950 - ? US Army 101 Airborne. > > I am told he won a purple heart, 3 bronze stars and was awarded a > presidential unit citation. His unit is said to be the one that went over > the Elba River meeting with the Russians. > > I guess my question is can I obtain his military records? Can anyone tell me > what it takes to get the above medals and is there any further info on > recipients of purple hearts available? Where is the Elba River? When did > that take Place? > Any help would be Greatly appreciated. > oh yeah his name is Orville Flynn he lists his local draft board as #332 > Rennselear, NY. Also lists that he was at Ft. Totten, NY in 1937 - 1940 > I believe he died at Manhattan Veterans Hospital. > > Thank You, > Jenn > >

World War II records will be given to you ONLY if you are this person's wife or widow or you can show he and his wife or widow is dead and you are related to him. Go to http://NARA.gov and they will give you instructions and a site where you can print out a form to obtain these with address, etc. Keep in mind that about 75% of the Army records from WWII were destroyed in a fire. They may be able to reconstruct his records from other sources. Put in the form EVERYTHING you know about him even if there is no space for it. Every little clue will help them. Especially the fact that he may have died in a veteran's home. Good luck. Bette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenn" <jenny1shu@prodigy.net> To: <NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: [NY-Mil] new to the list > I am new to this list and was wondering if anyone could help me. I have a DD > 48 my grandfather filled out for security clearance? Does anyone know what > type of security clearance can be obtained with this form? On it he lists > his dates of service as: > > 4/14/1937 - 4/13/1940 US Army Coats Artillery (Corporal) > > 4/12/1944 - 1/7/1946 US Army Infantry ( Sergeant) > > 10/2/1950 - ? US Army 101 Airborne. > > I am told he won a purple heart, 3 bronze stars and was awarded a > presidential unit citation. His unit is said to be the one that went over > the Elba River meeting with the Russians. > > I guess my question is can I obtain his military records? Can anyone tell me > what it takes to get the above medals and is there any further info on > recipients of purple hearts available? Where is the Elba River? When did > that take Place? > Any help would be Greatly appreciated. > oh yeah his name is Orville Flynn he lists his local draft board as #332 > Rennselear, NY. Also lists that he was at Ft. Totten, NY in 1937 - 1940 > I believe he died at Manhattan Veterans Hospital. > > Thank You, > Jenn > >

I am new to this list and was wondering if anyone could help me. I have a DD 48 my grandfather filled out for security clearance? Does anyone know what type of security clearance can be obtained with this form? On it he lists his dates of service as: 4/14/1937 - 4/13/1940 US Army Coats Artillery (Corporal) 4/12/1944 - 1/7/1946 US Army Infantry ( Sergeant) 10/2/1950 - ? US Army 101 Airborne. I am told he won a purple heart, 3 bronze stars and was awarded a presidential unit citation. His unit is said to be the one that went over the Elba River meeting with the Russians. I guess my question is can I obtain his military records? Can anyone tell me what it takes to get the above medals and is there any further info on recipients of purple hearts available? Where is the Elba River? When did that take Place? Any help would be Greatly appreciated. oh yeah his name is Orville Flynn he lists his local draft board as #332 Rennselear, NY. Also lists that he was at Ft. Totten, NY in 1937 - 1940 I believe he died at Manhattan Veterans Hospital. Thank You, Jenn

Thought I'd throw my 2 cents in... An 1862 recruitment poster for the "Dutchess Regiment" (which upon formation became the 150th NY Vol. Inf. Rgt.) offered: "$100 Government Bounty, 50 from the State, 100 from the Town of LaGrange, 2 for Enlisting. Whole Bounty $302. $202 paid before leaving the State." (For those of you who noticed that 100+50+100+2 does not add up to $302, the extra $50 came from Dutchess County). Here we have an example of bounties being offered by all levels of government. Tom Hartl

I understood that a bounty was paid by some states toward the end of the war for volunteers. I'm researching a descendant that volunteered at two units on the same day in Livingston Co. N.Y. However, the records show he was unassigned. Would this mean he received bounty money from both units? And why would it show him unassigned? Phyllis in Fl.

Nearly every record I find on Civil War enlistees refer to a bounty being paid. My ancestors at the most got $50 but then they enlisted early on so maybe those coming in later and in different counties were paid more. It was really a sign up bonus. I do not think it referred to those payments made by individuals to have others serve in their place when they were drafted. I see it with enlisted men, not draftees. Bette

Hello, New to the list. This posting intrigued me because I also found that an ancestor of mine who served in the 154th NY was a "representative recruit". I have been told that people who were wealthy could pay to have someone who was not wealthy serve in their place, thus, representative recruit. LL -----Original Message----- From: Dick O'Donnell <dickod@mindspring.com> To: NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com <NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 5:37 AM Subject: [NY-Mil] Bounty - what was it? >I have recently had the good fortune to locate numerous papers in the >National Archives for two relatives who fought in the Civil War, one >with the 186th Infantry of New York. > >In these papers there is reference to a bounty being paid. The use of >the word today implies that a capture was made but I have the feeling >that it was a more normal payment at that time. > >Does anyone know exactly what the payment refers to? > >Dick O'Donnell >Melbourne, Florida, USA >Hosting multiple sites, visit my home base at: >http://www.mindspring.com/~dickod