When I was in the Macedon, NY Library I came across some cemetery records that said that an ancestor, John Snyder died May 25, 1872 at 86 yr. and was buried in the Macedon Village Cemetery. The source of this info was Ameican Legion Records. Does anyone know how I can get in touch with the American Legion dept that wouldhave this sort of record? Thanks for your help Carol Stephens

Did you locate anything at all yet in the Federal of State records? If you know the Military Unit then you should read his capsule bio in the NYS Adjutant General's Report. This set of books is available at many NYS & major genealogical libraries throughout the country. LDS I'm sure has them on microfilm. The other thing that is often not known about, is that if you know the town that he resided in during the war and immediately after, then there is a set of books called "Return of the Town Clerks of the Town of (your town) for the Year 1865." This was a census type form that was filled out by the Town Clerk roughly from 1865 to 1867, where the subject's place of residence was. It is no where complete and many towns returns will never be located because there were two manuscript copies made, one stayed at the tc & one was sent to Albany. Most of the Albany records burned in the 1911 library fire, however the current staff at the NYS Archives have endeavored to collect extant copies of all that they were able to, and they are available on interlibrary loan from the NYS Library/Archive? If you ARE lucky enough to locate this record you MIGHT find out such things as his military information as well as date of birth, place of birth, parents names, including his MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME! There also is the NYS 1865 census itself. There is a column for military information. Once you know the military unit, I would contact a civil war expert and see if there was ever a Unit History published, and I even think that there are some periodical indexes that might catch unit histories that were printed in newspapers and magazines, but I can not give you a reference to it. Did this person or his spouse ever recieve a pension? If so you might be able to back into some of his military record from the pension files. Good luck. Dick Hillenbrand Syracuse ----- Original Message ----- From: rvail <rvail@yourlink.net> To: <NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 10:10 PM Subject: Civil War record of William J. Vail > New to the list. I have been searching for the Civil War record of a William > J. Vail, born North Salem NY, 10/30/1835. He was present at the battle of > Port Hudson in LA. the information that I currently have indicates that he > may have been in the US Navy medical Corp. He was present in New Orleans > after the surrender for Post War occupation duties. I have already had a > search done in the National Archives, as well as the New York State military > records archives. Is their anywhere else I can look? > > > Robert Vail > Titusville, FL > >

New to the list. I have been searching for the Civil War record of a William J. Vail, born North Salem NY, 10/30/1835. He was present at the battle of Port Hudson in LA. the information that I currently have indicates that he may have been in the US Navy medical Corp. He was present in New Orleans after the surrender for Post War occupation duties. I have already had a search done in the National Archives, as well as the New York State military records archives. Is their anywhere else I can look? Robert Vail Titusville, FL

New York State published an abstract of the state's Revolutionary War records early in this century. Unfortunately, the original records were lost a few years later in a fire. I am not aware of any significant amount of records remaining for the militias, which were state-run. The militias were generally formed to protect the local areas and were called as needed. Membership in a militia doesn't necessarily mean the soldier actually served in combat. The Hudson Valley was the key to the British strategy of splitting the colonies so a large portion of the action did take place in New York State. > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh Curry [mailto:pamugh@tesco.net] > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 1999 2:01 PM > To: NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Revolutionary War Militia > > > I'm new to this list, as I have ancestors who were in the > Revolutionary War > militia and I would particularly like to find out their service history. > Are there any on-line sources? Book sources are not readily > available here > in England! Michael Burnett recently replied to a query on this subject. > > My ancestors are Colonel Samuel Drake of "the Third Westchester County > Regiment New York Militia", his brother Lieut.Colonel Gilbert > Drake of "the > Manor of Cortlandt Regiment" and Samuel's cousin Colonel Joseph Drake of > "the First Westchester County Regiment New York Militia". I was > able to find > almost all this information in the DAR Revolution Lineage Books in > www.ancestry.com . > > Was there a difference between Militia regiments and Continental Line > regiments? > > Regards > Hugh Curry > > ______________________________

I found a reference to the New York Pensioners of 1835 which was quite complete with description of service, dates placed on pension roll, ending of pension and date of decease. I used this information to write to the National Archives (on the proper form). They responded that they did not have this file and that it didn't necessarily mean that the man did not serve, but that I should check with the State. The New York State Archives only offers (online at least) to check for bounty land claims for Rev. War. Every other record search is for 1812 and forward. I wondered where the original information was gathered that was cited in the list of Pensioners. I really would like to know how to get copies of that pension file. Am I doomed? Thanks for any help anyone might be able to offer. Anything at all would be exceptional! Georgia Whitson

Hugh and list members, Small world isn't it? Gilbert Drake was my gggg Grandfather. Married to Margery Relyea. I wonder if he is connected to your Gilbert Drake, perhaps mine is a nephew to yours? 92 Gilbert DRAKE. Born 3 Feb 1781 in Ulster Co., NY. Died 7 Jul 1867. Buried in Ingleside, Steuben Co., NY. 93 Margery RELYEA. Born 1784 in Ulster Co., NY. Died 14 Apr 1866 in Rikers Hollow, Steuben Co., NY. Gilberts parents: 183 Catherine. 184 Josiah DRAKE. Born 1 Jul 1750 in Fishkill, Dutchess Co., NY. Died 20 May 1833. Also, I believe the "Line" was the Continental Army of the new United States of America, commanded ultimately by Gen. George Washington. The Militia were local organizations of unpaid (though the soldiers of the Continental Army were hardly paid) and "unprofessional soldiers. These militia men trained and drilled but, I believe they lived in their homes and only came together as an organized units to fight when events required required them to. Sometimes they would guard prisoners etc. and perform other duties. Hugh posted: My ancestors are Colonel Samuel Drake of "the Third Westchester County Regiment New York Militia", his brother Lieut.Colonel Gilbert Drake of "the Manor of Cortlandt Regiment" and Samuel's cousin Colonel Joseph Drake of "the First Westchester County Regiment New York Militia". I was able to find almost all this information in the DAR Revolution Lineage Books in www.ancestry.com . Was there a difference between Militia regiments and Continental Line regiments? Mike Burnett NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com mwburne@aol.com Phoenix, AZ

I'm new to this list, as I have ancestors who were in the Revolutionary War militia and I would particularly like to find out their service history. Are there any on-line sources? Book sources are not readily available here in England! Michael Burnett recently replied to a query on this subject. My ancestors are Colonel Samuel Drake of "the Third Westchester County Regiment New York Militia", his brother Lieut.Colonel Gilbert Drake of "the Manor of Cortlandt Regiment" and Samuel's cousin Colonel Joseph Drake of "the First Westchester County Regiment New York Militia". I was able to find almost all this information in the DAR Revolution Lineage Books in www.ancestry.com . Was there a difference between Militia regiments and Continental Line regiments? Regards Hugh Curry

Hello: I am looking for any information, significant or insignificant, relating to WILLIAM HART who supposedly served with Col Lamb's Artillery(NY) in the Revolutionary War. Thanks. John W. Hart

My 3rd ggrandfather Silas Harvey Sr. was inducted into the N.Y. Militia in Oct. 1813. He mustered at Black Rock (now part of downtown Buffalo). After a few days he marched north to Fort Niagara, where he volunteered to cross over and occupy Fort George. He served in Co. Warren's Regt., Capt. Calvin Fillmore's Co., Lt. Almont Ford's Plt. He was discharge in Dec. 1813, a few days before the British burned Buffalo. All the above comes from his War of 1812 files in the National and State of New York's archives. My question is: How were these outfits formed? I suspect that they were formed by towns. Am I correct? Further does anyone have any information on these outfits and or the actions they served in. Researching: Harvey, Platt, Lord, and Scudder in New E., NY., Pa., OH., MI. Paden, Garwood, and Shinn in Burlington N.J., Pa. and Oh. Chairperson of "The Harvey Surname Association" For Ashtabula Co. Oh, Crawford Co. Pa. and Lawrence Co. Pa. Genweb pages: http://www.ccia.com/~rharvey My ancestor webpage: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8754/ Richard J. Harvey 423 Falls Ave. New Castle, Pa. 16105

I would like to share with you the information I have compiled regarding the data of over 1,690 enlisted soldiers who served in the U.S. Army between 1835 & 1846 in Western New York. Interested subscribers to NYMILITARY-L should send an email to: 104740.372@compuserve.com

Hi all I am Bill PERKINS and am list monitor for the RUGGLES list and Projects Monitor for the PERKINS list We are actively working projects that include PERKINS in the Militry and RUGGLES in the Military. If you have any RUGGLES or PERKINS ancestors, you might want to subscribe to either or both lists. your presence will be more than welcome Bill

Joni, You posted on Gen-NYS: Does anyone know where I can find information for specific regiments of the NY Militia during the Rev. War? In particular, the 3rd Regiment, Orange County, and the Albany County Militia, 14th Regiment? I have NY in the Revolution as a Colony and State. I looked for the 3rd Orange Co. Militia and there is an abreviated list of enlisted men. The name Ephraim Dunning is not among the 24 or so names listed. But, if you have information that he served in the 3rd Orange Co., it is likely that the list of men from the 3rd was almost entirely lost. The Colonel for the 3rd was William Allison. The 14th Albany Regiment has an Ephraim Dunham and the Colonels were John Kinickerbacker and John Yates. I don't know about the service history of either of these regiments of militia, but maybe someone from Gen-NYS or NY-Military can help with that. -- Michael W. Burnett Phoenix, AZ mwburne@aol.com icq 26937937 Home Page at: http://home.att.net/~mwburne/ US GenWeb Project Coordinator - Ontario Co., NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyontari/ NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com New York State Military Mail List Surnames: BURNETT DECKER and 350 years worth of New York State associated families

Hello, I am new to this list and very new at genealohy. Recently found that I had an uncle who fought in the Civil War but have very little info about him. Would like to know if there are any sites for NYC and NJ that list names of Civil War soldiers. His surname was Lundy, given name POSSIBLY William, born in either Hackensack or Hoboken and lived in The Bronx, NY for a while. He was a patient in a NYC VA hospital sometime in the '20's. If anyone can give me any info as to where to start my search I would be very apreciative. Thanking you in advance, Doris RESEARCHING: BRASSEL, LUNDY AND ESCANABA "MAY PEACE BE WITH YOU"

New address, Sorry for the trouble. It seems that when I edit the 148th web page it somehow changes the URL address a little bit. Please make a note and change your bookmarks or links. 148th address - http://victorian.fortunecity.com/hampton/679/148th.htm?nocache=924835593 Company C just added Thanks, Wilson Simmons Jr. Town of Potter Historian

I believe this expedition was an annual event conducted by Nicholson as part of "Queen Anne's War", also known (in Europe) as "The War of Spanish Succession". It was one of those nasty snits between the French and English about who was entitled to the throne and who owned what colonial territory. This is in the same time period when Deerfield, MA and Schenectady were raided and burned. What Palatine names are you researching? You might find more information on some of the geneology lists. Wendy McLean

Mike wrote; >This weekend, I chanced to look at: >Settlers and Residents of Columia Co. >Vol. 1 - Germantown, > >From page 15: > >The Palatine Volunteers for the Expedition >against Canada (1711), Doc History, Vol. III, pp 571, 572, >& 674. -snip- >Does anyone know if this expedition took place and, >if so why? and what were the results. I have never >heard of this. Also known as Nicholson's expedition, it took place & endeared the Palatines to the English hearts.<g> The mission was a failure, but the particulars escape me. A site that lists the names along with some other interesting Palatine history; http://www.horseshoe.cc//histext/histext.htm#acc >The Independent Co. of the Manor of Livingston >as they were mustered at manor house 11/30/1715 >(Doc. History, Vol III, p. 704) Just a caveat on the DocHist series. The original 19th century volumes were reprinted & re-arranged. So if you see a copy & the pages don't have what you're looking for, you might need to do some creative index/TOC searches. A librarian who searched through both believes that the content is identical-- just shuffled a bit. >Was this a last vestage of the feudal system of Europe, >brought to Colonial America, before the Revolution. I don't know when the manors ended, but always thought it wasn't until after the Revolution. Livingston Manor raised a Comapany[?] for the revolution in 1776. [OTOH-- 'manor' might be just an appelation referring to the area around the Livingston's estate-- or what used to be his Manor] jim

In 1900, our New York relative was believed to have died of yellow fever in Cuba. However, the army refused his widow's pension until 1928 because his father named him in the will in 1907. I have discovered that said relative may have abandoned his family and gone back to Arizona where he was stationed in the 1800's. There is a person by his name buried at Ft. Huachuca in AZ. My problem is that I can't find out if this person buried at Ft. Huachuca is our relative. I have tried NARA many times and the Army Personnel office in St. Louis. It looks like someone should have a death certificate if he died at the fort in 1914. The state of Arizona doesn't have a death certificate. Can anyone help with this dilemma?

You can also get a hard copy of the pension file from the National Archives for $10. To get the forms, send an email to: inquire@nara.gov Ask for NATF Form 80 (you can request up to 6) and also a copy of GIL-7, which describes the military records available. Be sure to include your name and address and that the word "form" appears in the body of your email so it will be routed to the correct place. You can get up to about 10 pages of the file for the $10, you can request the entire file in advance for an additional per-page charge. [In case you're wondering, "NATF" is short for "National Archives Trust Fund" and "GIL" means "General Information Leaflet") You can also use NATF 80 to request a copy of your ancestor's military service record. This gives a snapshot of where he was every couple of months and usually lists promotions, demotions, etc. It is also $10 and requires a separate form 80. I don't think the service records are available on microfilm. The pension file usually has more information of genealogical value. > -----Original Message----- > From: gene-weaver [mailto:gene-weaver@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 10:12 PM > To: NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Pension Lists > > > Mike, > > Thanks for your reply! I will keep asking until I get the answer I am > looking for. Yes, in 1840 my ancestor was 84, he died in 1844 at the > ripe old age of 88! > > Leslie > Volunteer of Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnraogk/info.htm > > Web Coordinator for McKean/McKeen queries at > http://www.jspub.com/genealogy/mckean/mckeanqueries.html > > Volunteer Transcriber at http://www.genexchange.com/ > > Surnames: Arthur, Bleecker, Beebee, Dick, Koch, McKean - mostly all > from the NYC/NJ area > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MWBURNE@aol.com <MWBURNE@aol.com> > To: gene-weaver@worldnet.att.net <gene-weaver@worldnet.att.net> > Cc: NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com <NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 10:06 PM > Subject: Pension Lists > > > >Leslie, > > > >LDS has the films. Keep asking until > >you get someone who knows what they > >are doing. > > > >You ancestor, must have been very old by > >1840, if he served in the Revolution. > > > >Best of luck in your search. > > > >Mike Burnett > >NY-Military-L > > >

Rooters, This weekend, I chanced to look at: Settlers and Residents of Columia Co. Vol. 1 - Germantown, >From page 15: The Palatine Volunteers for the Expedition against Canada (1711), Doc History, Vol. III, pp 571, 572, & 674. There appear to be at least a couple hundred men from various towns in the Columbia Co. area including, Queensbury, Haysbury, Hunterstown, Annsberg, etc. Does anyone know if this expedition took place and, if so why? and what were the results. I have never heard of this. Also.. from the same book: The Independent Co. of the Manor of Livingston as they were mustered at manor house 11/30/1715 (Doc. History, Vol III, p. 704) I did not have an opportunity to look at the Doc. History and I was wondering if anyone here on the list knows why Livingston would have an army. There were German names from both sides of my family on the list. Was this a last vestage of the feudal system of Europe, brought to Colonial America, before the Revolution. Mike Burnett NY-Military-L mwburne@aol.com Phoenix, AZ

I may be able to help. I live in Pheonix and there are significant family files and newspaper databases at the State Library and also the AZ territorial census. Please provide your name and the name of the person who you are seeking information on and I will try my best to do a search. I may not be for several weeks though. Mike Burnett NY-Military-L mwburne@aol.com Phoenix, AZ In 1900, our New York relative was believed to have died of yellow fever in Cuba. However, the army refused his widow's pension until 1928 because his father named him in the will in 1907. I have discovered that said relative may have abandoned his family and gone back to Arizona where he was stationed in the 1800's. There is a person by his name buried at Ft. Huachuca in AZ. My problem is that I can't find out if this person buried at Ft. Huachuca is our relative. I have tried NARA many times and the Army Personnel office in St. Louis. It looks like someone should have a death certificate if he died at the fort in 1914. The state of Arizona doesn't have a death certificate. Can anyone help with this dilemma?