Dear Listers, I am researching my SCANLON line and came across Edward Scanlon who was born in New York, lived in Cerrillos, NM, joined the Rough Riders, was sent to Cuba where he took sick with Typhoid Fever, was sent back to Brooklyn, and died at the age of 24. I don't know if he is part of my family, so am looking for more info. My other SCANLON family includes Thomas or Timothy, b. 1832 in Ireland, m. Katherine MEEGAN. Their daughter Johanna SCANLON is my ggrandmother, who married Charles NOE. Their son, Charles NOE was in the Army in Europe during WWI, as part of the Lost Battalion that was mustard gassed. He suffered lung damage and died at the age of 31 in New York. Any connections out there? Army military in family: Isabella Regina REILLY, WWII Francis REILLY, WWII Anton J. PIRZ, WWII Frank PIRZ, WWII Joseph PIRZ, Vietnam Joseph DURKIN, Vietnam Navy Otto R. BOSSDORF, WWII Martin BOSSDORF WWII Walter P. HENNESSEY, Vietnam Marines William BOSSDORF Best Regards, Maggie <MaggieOwl@aol.com>

I am not intereated in recieving any more information. Thanks

Lydia, This sounds like a fairly typical Service *Record*. [actually it sounds more complete than the several I've seen] Now you fill out another form 80-- and ask for the pension. Though his widow filed it, it will be under his name [probably]-- As you can see from different response, the info you find can't be determined until you actually see it--but the pensions papers have the greatest potential. I wrote on mine; "Please send entire file-- charge credit card up to $40 without further correspondence" -- but they still sent the first $10 & asked for further instructions this last time. Several other pensions I've recieved have been stamped 'complete copy'-- and were only $10--- So you never know. Good luck- jim LydBeach@aol.com wrote: >Here is what I got from the Government: > >Volunteer Enlistment sheet, showed Abram made his mark and someone wrote >Abraham Williams. On the lower half of this sheet says "I certify on honor" >etc. and then has his desciption, blue eyes, brown hair and ruddy complexion, >is 6 feet tall no inches high. >Mustered in at Poughkeepsie, NY > >A sheet of card numbers, with Abram or Abraham Williams at top > >Next three sheets are Muster Roll, 4 on a page. >Seven are Company Muster Roll, one is Co. Muster-out Roll, two are Muster and >Descriptive Roll of a Detachment of US Vols forwarded (these two have where >born and his descriptions again), one Detachment Muster Roll, Another Company >Muster Rolland one more sheet with Appears on REturns as follows: (where he >was) and Company Descriptive Book with his description again. > >That is it. Nothing about pension or whatever. > >His widow Sarah M filed July 27, 1909 in NY > >I was looking in old issues of Hudson, NY papers today but they don't have >much in way of Obits. Expecially for the little towns around it. > >Thanks again everyone for you answers. >Lydia >

Lydia, The description you gave doesn't sound like pension papers. Are you sure you didn't ask for military papers instead of pension papers? You have to ask for them on separate forms from NARA? Did you get the papers from NARA? The pension papers for my great-grandfather do have a physical description similar to what your papers show, but the rest of what you have sounds like a military record. Barry Gloeckner Albany, New York United States of America ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

I have information from my g-uncles enlistment papers. The Civil war one showed his dad's name and the second (Spanish American War) showed his mothers name. It show up on their Regimental Descriptive Book.

Here is what I got from the Government: Volunteer Enlistment sheet, showed Abram made his mark and someone wrote Abraham Williams. On the lower half of this sheet says "I certify on honor" etc. and then has his desciption, blue eyes, brown hair and ruddy complexion, is 6 feet tall no inches high. Mustered in at Poughkeepsie, NY A sheet of card numbers, with Abram or Abraham Williams at top Next three sheets are Muster Roll, 4 on a page. Seven are Company Muster Roll, one is Co. Muster-out Roll, two are Muster and Descriptive Roll of a Detachment of US Vols forwarded (these two have where born and his descriptions again), one Detachment Muster Roll, Another Company Muster Rolland one more sheet with Appears on REturns as follows: (where he was) and Company Descriptive Book with his description again. That is it. Nothing about pension or whatever. His widow Sarah M filed July 27, 1909 in NY I was looking in old issues of Hudson, NY papers today but they don't have much in way of Obits. Expecially for the little towns around it. Thanks again everyone for you answers. Lydia

Pension files can contain just about anything. None of the ones related to me list the soldier's parents but I have seen some with pages torn from family Bibles. Someone said that they had never seen the physical description in a pension file. The one for John Kinsella (9th NY Heavy Artillery), my g-g-grandfather, has a physical description on his "Certificate of Disability for Discharge". I got one pension file for Jacob Sours of Huron, Wayne Co., NY (also 9th N.Y.H.A.). It had a church wedding certificate dated 1861. His daughter was born in 1862, a few days before he enlisted. He was received fatal wounds at Winchester, VA on Sept. 19, 1864. (John Kinsella was wounded there the same day.) The file didn't not give any genealogical information for Jacob. I can't find any record of Jacob prior to his marriage but one of the affidavits in the pension file (submitted for his daughter) was signed by Phillip Sours of Huron, my 3g-grandfather. The file did list the parents of Jacob's wife and the name of her second husband. I can't figure out why there was no pension file for John Welch, another of my g-g-grandfathers, who was also in the 9th N.Y.H.A. He died in 1879 but his widow was around until 1912 and all indications are that she certainly could have used the money. -----Original Message----- From: LydBeach@aol.com [mailto:LydBeach@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 8:39 PM To: NY-Military-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Civil War Hi I have Ciivil War papers that I sent for, for my great grandfather but they do not list his parents names. Does anyone know if the papers might sometimes show parents? Thanks Lydia ______________________________

[first-- this is *not* a typical file, so don't be disappointed if yours has less in it] In his service record he is called Friedrich W.,Wilhelm & Frederich PRIOR. He enlisted as a 1st Sgt in the 7th NY- but only made a couple musters with the Regiment, as he was sick, awol, or assigned to recruiting duties for all the others. [sounds like a real recruiting posterboy, doesn't he?<g>] Summary; Fr. Wm. PRIOR b.abt1830 Enlisted in 7th Inf, Co C- in NY April 23, 1861 for 2 yrs. as a First Sgt. [at some time detached to recruiting office in NY] July 21- muster Aug 31; sick in Monroe Oct 15-20 extra duty to the Quartermaster Dept. Oct 20-muster Feb '62- detached to recruiting office, NY by Dec 31 Muster- reduced to Private- detached to NY recruiting office [unaccounted for on cards from Jan 1 '62-Mar. 31, 62] Present for muster Mar & Apr. '62 May & June '62- card filled out, but no info given. Present for Aug. muster Absent for Oct. muster- "On detached service to [blank space on card] staff." Sick at NY for Dec '62 Muster Feb muster notes Present, AWOL Nov 16 '62- Feb 25 '63. April 10 '63- special muster- Present May 8 1863- mustered out in NY. Paid to June 1862 I ordered this soldier's pension sort of on 'speculation' & because I'm trying to find PRIER/PREYER/PRIOR links to Germany. I've ordered a few pensions in the past, and I've never been disappointed, but then I've never gotten a whole lot from one, either.... The first 18 pages arrived with 99 more to follow for another $30. It figures. I finally 'strike it rich' with a pension & he *probably* isn't mine.<G> There are just enough coincidences to wrangle the next $30 out of me. I'll probably be following up on this post in a few weeks. [In the meantime, if anyone else has run across this family, let's talk] Here are the genealogical facts from the pages that I have; [his parents] William PRIOR b. Germany m. Margaret KWITJE b. France. they had at least one son; Friedrich Wilhelm [ aka Frederick William] PRIOR, b. Bonn, Prussia in 1829, arrived NY in 1859. Occupation Cook. Veteran of Civil War-- Co. C, 7th Regiment [Steuben] NY Vol. Inf. April 23, 1861-May 8 1863. Frederick died Oct 26, 1911 & is buried at St Michaels Cem. Astoria, Queens, NY. Frederick m. April 22, 1861, Helen Eliza Froman[FROMMANN?] at St. George's Chapel, 105 2d st., NYC by 'D.' Charles SCHRAMM.[pastor of The German Congregation] Helen was b. in Nierstein, Grand Hessia, betJan23-Apr23 1839 - the daughter of Frederick FROMAN, & Carolina KOLBFUSS both b. Germany. Helen immigrated in 1850. She died Jan 23, 1912 & was buried at St. Michaels Cem., in Astoria, Queens Co., NY by A.F. Stolzenberg[er?]. In 1898 Frederick & Helen had the following children still living; Johanna M. PRIOR b. Aug 27, 1862 Frederick William Prior jr. b. Aug 15 1864 [still single & living at 207 E83d St., New York City] Lizzie H. PRIOR [probably still PRIOR in 1912] b. Sept 4, 1869 Charles PRIOR b. June 18, 1875 ***** This is far more than I've ever seen in a pension file-- & I wonder how much of it was because he hired someone to handle the pension-- they were getting a commission & didn't want to leave any stone unturned & risk losing their commission. He didn't file until 1892- and the paper trail continues after his wife's death in 1912, when a son asks for the burial re-imbursement. jim

After sleeping on this, I have to correct what I said yesterday. The naming of relationships is probably reliant on when the claim was made and/or the submitter/reviewer. I'm posting a separate note on that pension-- and probably a follow up when the next 99 pages get here. LydBeach@aol.com wrote: > I have Abram's pension file and no names but I did get a > description of him, blonde hair, blue eyes, 6 foot tall. I don't recall seeing a description in a pension file. Are you sure you don't have his service record? Or if you have a pension file, are you sure you have the whole thing? >He is my ggrandfather and I can't find his death date, altho his wife filed >for the pension in 1907. She didn't have to fill out all the particulars of his service, their marriage, & his death on the application? Not even his date of death? Even without it- a death certificate is something you'll want to get. If you have a marriage date, you might want to look at the local papers- They often mentioned parents. >I have been to the town clerks here where they lived and they don't have any >information on their volunteering or entering service. For finding out about their service, I have often seen recommended & mean to get it myself- Author; B.H. Groene, _Tracing Your Civil War Ancestor_ ISBN 0-345-36192-X > Andrew - enlisted April 22, 1861, 5th Regiment Co G, Whoa-- that just sunk in-- is that 5th Reg. NY Inf? [you should try to distinguish, because there was a 5th Cav & a 5th Art, too-- no relationship] The Zouaves? Check out http://www.zouave.org You couldn't ask for a better documented group. They have an Andrew Williams listed on their roster-- but no Abram-- What Regiment was Abram in? jim

LydBeach@aol.com wrote: >I have Ciivil War papers that I sent for, for my great grandfather but they >do not list his parents names. > >Does anyone know if the papers might sometimes show parents? I've never seen it. I even have a widows pension where *his* parents filled out a deposition & signed it. They never mentioned that they were his parents-- but stated that they were 'present at his birth and knew him all his life' and he was the Alfred LYON who married Sarah LYON who 'they had known for several years' [or words to that effect]. Her big sister went with her another time and only said she 'knew her all her life'. I think they *avoided* mentioning relationships. A baptismal record is your best bet-- or if you're real lucky, an obit. BTW- You say 'CW Papers'-- The soldiers record rarely has much about him. The pension file, if you're lucky enough that he filed for one- can be a goldmine. jim

Thanks for the replies. OK, I will clarify myself a little Abram and Andrew Williams were brothers, of whom I am trying to find the parents of. I have Abram's pension file and no names but I did get a description of him, blonde hair, blue eyes, 6 foot tall. That was great. He is my ggrandfather and I can't find his death date, altho his wife filed for the pension in 1907. I have been to the town clerks here where they lived and they don't have any information on their volunteering or entering service. I found Andrew on a Civil War list on the internet also as dying at Gaines Mill. Can't find it again, tho. This was listed in "History of Columbia County, NY": Andrew - enlisted April 22, 1861, 5th Regiment Co G, died of wounds received at Gaines Mills. Thanks for any help Lydia

Ludia, I believe that Civil War Pension files rarely name the parents, but do often name the children and spouse. Did your ancestor live in NY until at least 1880? If so, you may be able to find the name of his parents on his death certificate after 1880. Also, you might want to mention the name and regiment of your ancestor. This list is archived and that will allow researchers to contact you. you posted: I have Ciivil War papers that I sent for, for my great grandfather but they do not list his parents names. Does anyone know if the papers might sometimes show parents? Mike Burnett

Where can I get E-Mail information on the old Plattsburg Barracks in Plattsburg NY? I need military papers on a soldier stationed there in Co "L", US 5th Infantry in 1903. I can only find snail mail addresses to the historical societies. Thank you, Mary Strovink Daukas E-mail: strovink@geocities.com Researching Lithuania: STROVINK, SHAKIS, STRAVINSKAS, STRAVINK

Hi I have Ciivil War papers that I sent for, for my great grandfather but they do not list his parents names. Does anyone know if the papers might sometimes show parents? Thanks Lydia

Thanks to all for the good suggestions and the information. I will continue working on it. Joanne

Hello, My g-g-father John Klingman enlisted on April 8, 1865 (day before Appomatox Courthouse surrender) in the 6th US Cavalry band. He was a musician 1st class, played the cornet. Is there anyone out there who can tell me about the unit, where it was in 1865, and/or how to find out anything about it. I have tried state sites but they don't do US troops, and the US sites I have tried have been unsuccessful so far. Joanne Gregory gregory@primeline.com

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At 10:49 AM 6/5/99 -0700, you wrote: Sleeping on duty was considered a very serious offense, especially if it was sentry duty or a guard post. The consequences could be severe if the enemy attacked and proper warning was not given, or some essential defense was not ready. The punishment would be much more severe than for the types of things we normally think of as "crimes" (stealing, fighting, etc). >I recently got the Civil War military record of Austin Hatch of Addison, >Steuben Co., NY, who was a brother of my g-g-grandfather. Austin Hatch was >court marshaled August 24, 1863 for "Sleeping on Post" and was sentenced "to >be confined at hard labor under the charges of a guard, at such place as the >commanding general may direct, for the period of six (6) months, with ball >and chain." > >Was this a common punishment?

I recently got the Civil War military record of Austin Hatch of Addison, Steuben Co., NY, who was a brother of my g-g-grandfather. Austin Hatch was court marshaled August 24, 1863 for "Sleeping on Post" and was sentenced "to be confined at hard labor under the charges of a guard, at such place as the commanding general may direct, for the period of six (6) months, with ball and chain." Was this a common punishment? He served at least part of the punishment, he was listed as "in confinement" on the July-Aug 1863 and Sept-Oct 1863 muster roll. The Nov-Dec 1863 muster roll does not mention confinement. He re-enlisted in the same outfit Jan 24, 1864.

Hello, I'm looking for any information on these people please. PURVIS LINCOLN b. June 1764 d. 1862 he was a member of the Green Mountain Boys in the Revolution, Battle of Ticonderoga w/ Ethan Allen ,as a member of the Battle of Lake Erie after which it is said he was promoted to rank of officer, War of 1812 He is said to be a Colonel. It is also said he had a 400 acre farm in Gennessee Flat, NY. Where is Gennessee Flat? It isn't there now! How can I confirm this? Can anyone help? Thank you for your time. I appreciate that you are even taking the time to read this. Amy W. rawest@cyberback.com