On the question about the location of Tar-men's Neck, Fireplace and Wawcoruck, I've receved a reply from my source at the Long Island Regional Planning Board (he's a descendent of Robert Coe, on of the founders of the Town of Huntington and the Town of Jamaica, and his wife is a descendent of the 'Bull' Smith of Smithtown fame): 1. Back in the 1600's "Nassau" was the name used for all of Long Island so it is very possible that this place is in Suffolk County. 2. In 1871 residents of Fire Place changed the name to the hamlet of Brookhaven thus forever confusing it with the Town of Brookhaven in which it is located. 3. Our 1858 map shows Fire Place to be at the present day intersection of South Country Rd. and Montauk Hwy. 4. Hagstrom atlases have referred to the the southern part of Brookhaven hamlet as Fireplace Neck for the last 50 years or so. Since the western boundary of Brookhaven is the Carmans River it is possible that Tar-men's and Carmans refer to the same area. I have canoed that area extensively and can well imagine it as Carmans swamp. 5. As for "Wawcoruck" I don't have a clue. Thanks, Roy. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan

I also suspected that Francis Neck was further west than Bellport and Fireplace, and was most likely a different Neck than Tarman's Neck. We haven't found any evidence that a Fancy was even there on Francis Neck. It was the opinion of a Brookhaven Town historian that Francis Neck might have been a corruption of Fancies Neck, because it was labeled "Fancies" Neck on an early map. Therefore, her assumption that Fancies Neck was probably named for a Fancy there. Given the inherent inconsistent and creative spellings of the time, it could also be that "Fancies" was meant to be "Francis" all along. The reference to Tarman's Neck, Wawcoruck, and Abigail Fancy was on the Groton Hall plans, part of the Winthrop Patent. What confuses me is that the names of the nine necks listed on the Groton Hall plans do not all match the names of the same nine necks of the Winthrop patentship, the 2 most easterly sold to Thomas Strong and John Brewster in 1749, the other 7 sold to Humphrey Avery in 1752. I can't match up all the names of the 1752 Necks - have 3 - Short Neck, Smith Neck and Tuckers Neck that I can't equate to the earlier Groton Hall listing of Necks. In the Groton Hall Listing I can't equate 4 of the Necks to the Avery Lottery/Winthrop Patent information. Naturally one of them is Tarman's Neck. I am guessing that the names of these Necks changed between the time of the Groton Hall plan and when they were sold by John Still Winthrop. The Groton Hall Necks: 1. Western Neck Js Blue Pint - "Blue Point" sold to Humphrey Avery 27 March 1752 by John Still Winthrop 2. Acorama Neck 3. Pine Neck - "Pine Neck" sold to Humphrey Avery 27 March 1752 by John Still Winthrop. Lot #1 of Humphrey Avery Lottery June 1758, 300 acres of upland and 100 acres of meadow, 1000 pounds value, drawn by Capt. Thomas Clarke of Chelsea NY. Lands bought back and given by Humphrey Avery to his son Humphrey Avery Jr. in February 1759. 4. Shuging Neck 5. Swan Neck - sold to Humphrey Avery 27 March 1752 by John Still Winthrop. 6. Swan Creek Neck - (" Swan Creek Neck" sold to Humphrey Avery 27 March 1752 by John Still Winthrop). Lot #2 of Humphrey Avery 1758 Lottery. 400 acres of upland, 56 acres of Meadow, 750 pounds value. Drawn by Capt. Thomas Clarke of Chelsea NY. Lands bought back and given by Humphrey Avery to his son Humphrey Avery Jr. in February 1759. 7. Wawcoruck or Tarmans Neck 8. Patchaugs Neck - (Same as "Pochang Neck"? sold to Humphrey Avery 27 March 1752 by John Still Winthrop). Lot #3 of Humphrey Avery 1758 Lottery. Drawn by Lefford Leffords of Bedford Kings Co NY. 9. Stars Neck (Same as Starr's Neck in Bellport?) Because Tarman's Neck was small, does it make sense that it might have been incorporated into either Swan Creek Neck or Patchaugs Neck when they were sold to Avery in 1752? Osborne Shaw's 1933 work refers only to 6 necks. With the exception of Starr's Neck, which may be the same Neck in the Groton Hall Plan - Stars Neck - the names of the Necks in the Groton Hall Plans and the Winthrop Patent do not match Shaws either :) - "Naming them from from east to west, the necks are: Little Neck, Fire Place Neck, Tar-men's Neck, Dayton's Neck, Occumbomuck Neck and Starr's Neck." Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com>; <li-rooters@listserv.genexchange.com>; <NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com>; <LI-HistList@topica.com> Cc: <aliwallner@comcast.net>; <ehlsmith@worldnet.att.net> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:32 AM Subject: Where was Tar-men's/Tarmans Neck or "Wawcoruck" in Brookhaven???? > > On the question about the location of Tar-men's Neck, Fireplace and > Wawcoruck, I've receved a reply from my source at the Long Island Regional Planning > Board (he's a descendent of Robert Coe, on of the founders of the Town of > Huntington and the Town of Jamaica, and his wife is a descendent of the 'Bull' Smith > of Smithtown fame): > > 1. Back in the 1600's "Nassau" was the name used for all of Long Island so it > is very possible that this place is in Suffolk County. > > 2. In 1871 residents of Fire Place changed the name to the hamlet of > Brookhaven thus forever confusing it with the Town of Brookhaven in which it is > located. > > 3. Our 1858 map shows Fire Place to be at the present day intersection of > South Country Rd. and Montauk Hwy. > > 4. Hagstrom atlases have referred to the the southern part of Brookhaven > hamlet as Fireplace Neck for the last 50 years or so. Since the western boundary > of Brookhaven is the Carmans River it is possible that Tar-men's and Carmans > refer to the same area. I have canoed that area extensively and can well > imagine it as Carmans swamp. > > 5. As for "Wawcoruck" I don't have a clue. > > > Thanks, Roy. > > > I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. > > Regards, > > Walter Greenspan