Hi, I am new to the list and posting my interests. I have the family name JOBE who are from Northumberland, England. I have traced the family in varying degrees from 1830 to present. I have not been able to say when my ancestors travelled to America but the dates I would be interested in are 1830 onwards. The family given names which were passed on time and again in all generations are Samuel, Nicholas, William, George, Thomas, James, Martin, David, Rueben, Peter, Michael, Francis, Frances, Margaret, Catherine, Anne, Sarah, Matilda, Isabella, Euphemia and Mary and others........... Hoping someone can be of help Anne Bamford nee JOBE

On 1/16/04 (10:45:16 AM MST), as part of an eMail, ????? (firock@aol.com) wrote, "I was at my library today, and found these books, anyone interested, e-mail me off list...... Huntington town records : including Babylon, Long Island, N.Y. unknown: unknown, 1956-1975, c1887, 1940 pgs." For those that might not be aware, the Town of Babylon was the southern part of the Town of Huntington until 1872 when it seceded and became the 10th and, at the moment, last independent town in Suffolk County. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan

Hello, and Happy New Year! I was at my library today, and found these books, anyone interested, e-mail me off list...... firock@aol.com Huntington town records : including Babylon, Long Island, N.Y. unknown: unknown, 1956-1975, c1887, 1940 pgs. Vol I. pages: Vol I. Huntington town records ,Vol I. Index of deeds -Reverse index of deeds ; Vol I. Index--Town meeting grants -Vol I. Index-Records of lands -Vol I. General index Vol II. General index ; Vol II. Title page Vol II. Huntington town records Vol II. Reverse index of deeds Vol II. Index--Town meeting grants Vol II. Index--Records of lands Vol III. General index ; Vol III. Huntington town records Vol III. Back matter Vol III. Index of deeds by the trustees Vol III. Index of deeds to the trustees Vol III. Index of leases by the trustees Vol I. Title page Vol I. Vol I. Huntington town records . Index of deeds Vol I. Reverse index of deeds Vol I. Index--Town meeting grants Vol I. Index-Records of lands Vol I. General index Vol II. General index Vol II. Title page Vol II. Huntington town records ; Vol II. Index of deeds Vol II. Reverse index of deeds Vol II. Index--Town meeting grants Vol II. Index--Records of lands Vol III. General index Vol III. Title page Vol III. Huntington town records ; Vol III. Back matter Vol III. Index of deeds by the trustees Vol III. Index of deeds to the trustees ; Vol III. Index of leases by the trustees

Greenwood Cemetery in Brooklyn New York is in the process of cataloging Civil War veterans who are buried in the cemetery for a book. If you have a relative who served in the Civil War and is buried in Greenwood Cemetery they would love to get your information. The phone number is 718-786-7300. Cemetery historian Jeff Richman is in charge of the information gathering. Their website is www.green-wood.com. Right now they are only doing Civil War veterans. So if you have information for them please take the time to give it to them. Thanks, Dawn Crowley

In today's (Sunday, January 11, 2004) NEWSDAY, there's an article, "Patriot Graves" that reports that "Starting with his ancestors’ headstones, David Overton, the Brookhaven Town historian continues his quest to replace the weathered markers of Revolutionary War soldiers." "He began an inventory of all the Revolutionary War soldiers buried in the town's more than 100 cemeteries. He identified about 100 graves, most of which needed new stones because the originals were missing, damaged or nearly illegible." Full NEWSDAY article (please copy and paste the entire URL -- you may have to copy and paste in sections -- beginning with "http" and ending with "headlines"): http://www.newsday.com/features/printedition/longislandlife/ny-lilifecov0110,0 ,4077474.story?coll=ny-lilife-headlines I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan

New volumes of Will Testators Indexes: KS - Jackson - Vol E-H (1863-1912) OH - Belmont - Vol I-L (1856-1879) NY - Dutchess - Vol. L (1839-1841) NY - Columbia - Vol O-Q (1868-1882) NY - Montgomery - Vol. 22 (1898-1901) NY - New York - Vol 46-47 (1804-1808) Letters of Guardianship NY - Monroe - Vol 16 (1892-1896) NY - Monroe - Vol 17 (1896-1899) NY, MA, PA, WI, OR, UT, ID, MD, GA, OH, IA, MO, AL, KS, TN, VA, RI many completed counties http://www.sampubco.com/ free access W. David Samuelsen SAMPUBCO

As one who has early ancestors buried at Southhold, I'm of the opinion that if these kids enjoy breaking stone, they need to spend some time on a "chain gang" where they could work all day making little stones out of big ones, but chain gangs are no longer politically correct.

>From today's (Wednesday, January 7, 2004) NEWSDAY is an article, "Teens Nabbed for Toppling 130 Tombstones" reporting that "Most of the marble and granite headstones at the First Presbyterian Church of Southold cemetery were cracked, chipped or smashed, police said. At least five of the stones date back more than 100 years." Full NEWSDAY article (copy and paste the entire URL -- you may need to do so in sections -- beginning with "http" and ending with "print"): http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/ny-ligrav073614109jan07,0,3562048.sto ry?coll=ny-news-print The pertinent geography: Southold is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the center of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County. There are 1 village and 10 hamlets in the Town of Southold. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Southold in the Town of Southold is bordered on the north by Long Island Sound; on the east by the Hamlet of Greenport West; on the south by the Little Peconic Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Peconic. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Southold has a different border than does the "Southold, NY 11971" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Southold mailing address and not be in Southold and a place can have other than a Southold mailing address and be in Southold). Those places that have a "Southold, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Southold are in the Hamlet of West Greenport; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Southold with a "Peconic, NY 11936" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Southold in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 30 (map) and 31 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

The 1st 500 Gravesend births are now on line exclusively on the Bklyn Info Pages.. These are from the original ledger books. They list Child date of birth sex race birthplace parents parents birthplace parents age occupation of father # of children of mother. http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Birth/Gravesend/index.html Nancy

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Hello Folks! Hope you all had a great Christmas and will have a happy and healthy New Year. I have posted this before, but it was some time ago and I am sure we have some new members since then. My biggest roadblock, which is keeping this branch of the family stalled in the 5th generation back from me, is in the person of Alexander Hossack/Hussack Brown, my GGG Grandfather. My connection to him is as follows: Me - Kathryn Lee (Wilson) Skarka (mother) - Frances Brown (Albin) Wilson (grandmother) - Charles Albin (great grandfather) - Fannie (Brown) Albin (gg grandmother) - Alexander H. Brown (ggg grandfather) Alexander H. Brown was born in 1816 and died in 1891. He is buried in Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Center Moriches, LI, NY. He was married to Ruth Ann Pawson. As near as I can determine, Alexander and Ruth had three children, George, Frances (Fanny) and another daughter whose name I can't recall right now for some reason. I have had no luck in finding Alexander's family. For a time, all I knew was that his name was Alexander H. Brown (from his tombstone). He appears in the 1850 census in Southampton Town (not clear on what hamlet, but it might be Westhampton) as Alexander H. Brown. In the 1870 Census he appears in Brookhaven Town, East Moriches also as Alexander H. Brown. For a time I could not find him in the 1860 or 1880 Censuses. Then a friend of mine found where he was listed in the 1860 Census as "Hussac" Brown (wife Ruth..correct children). With this info, I found him in the 1880 Census listed as "Hussack" Brown. I began searching this name and got a hit on an Alexander Hossack in 1790 in New York City. Alexander Hossack was married to Jane Arden. They had a son, Alexander Hossack, who was a doctor who tended Aaron Burr after the famous duel. >From this, I suspect that my ggg grandfather was Alexander Hossack Brown... somehow related to this Hossack family. Perhaps his mother was a Hossack who married a Brown, but I have not been able to find such a couple. Does anyone know of this family or have any suggestions? Gary Skarka

Thank you Walter! I am trying to get back into my search for Great Grandparents -- GROSBOUER. Their son (my grandfather) was born in NY in 1861--according to his death certificate. However, I can find no Grosbouer until 1880 when his mother, Jane Perry Grosbouer is enumerated: a 48 year old widow and servant in a Brooklyn household. Then I lose her again. I think it's because she re-married. Grandfather's obit refers to a half or step-brother named James Coyle. Young Charles Grosbouer (age 19) was enumerated there in 1880. He returned to Brooklyn by 1884 where he married and his first child was born. The Grosbouers returned to the East End--and I think his mother either married in Brooklyn and accompanied them or joined them and married there. There are a lot of Coyles in both places, but the smaller community would be easier to search. As a child we made frequent visits to Greenport where they settled when my Dad and his sibs were high school age. My cousin and I recall parents' conversations about this, but I recall little other than that. She and her parents lived in Greenport and she seems to recall visiting "someone". I admit I've had less trouble searching for relatives in the early 1800s than I have run into with this couple of fairly recent history. Grandfather and grandmother only died in 1930-1932. I appreciate your knowledge of Long Island lore and history. It shows you must love the area--as I do and sometimes I miss it. Jan in California Soyamaven@aol.com wrote: On 12/27/03 (11:20:32 AM MST), as part of an eMail, Jan (jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ) wrote, "I now have a clue that suggests the marriage may have taken place in either Greenport or Orient, Long Island, the county seat of which is Riverhead." Greenport is a village and Orient is a hamlet in the Town of Southold, and you may be able to find what you are seeking by contacting the Village Clerk for the Village of Greenport and/or the Town Clerk for the Town of Southold. Village Clerk Village of Greenport Greenport Village Hall 236 Third Street, Greenport, NY 11944 Tel: 631/477-2385 Fax: 631/477-1877 eMail: ????? http://www.??????.??? Town Clerk Town of Southold Southold Town Hall P.O. Box 1179 53095 Main Road Southold, NY 11971 Tel: 631/765-1981 Fax: 631/765-1823 eMail: ????? http://www.northfork.net/southold/ The pertinent geography for the Village of Greenport: Greenport is a village (incorporated in 1838) in the eastern part of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County. There are 1 village and 10 hamlets in the Town of Southold. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Greenport in the Town of Southold is bordered on the north, east and west by the Hamlet of West Greenport; and, on the south by Peconic Bay. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Village of Greenport has a different border than does the "Greenport, NY" postal zone. There are places that have a "Greenport, NY 11944" mailing address that are not in the Village of Greenport. These places are in the Hamlet of West Greenport. The pertinent geography for the Hamlet of Orient: Orient is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the eastern part -- Orient is at the extreme eastern end of the north fork -- of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County. There are 1 village and 10 hamlets in the Town of Southold. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Orient in the Town of Southold is bordered on the north and east by the Long Island Sound; on the south by Gardiner's Bay; and, on the west by Hamlet of East Marion. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Orient has a different border than does the "Orient, NY" postal zone. There are places in the Hamlet of Orient that have an East Marion, NY mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Greenport (incorporated in 1838) and the Hamlet of Orient in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 28 (map) and 29 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located. ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== * * * IS YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE UP TO DATE?? * * * Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html Jan G. Miller jgrellim@sbcglobal.net

On 12/27/03 (11:20:32 AM MST), as part of an eMail, Jan (jgrellim@sbcglobal.net ) wrote, "I now have a clue that suggests the marriage may have taken place in either Greenport or Orient, Long Island, the county seat of which is Riverhead." Greenport is a village and Orient is a hamlet in the Town of Southold, and you may be able to find what you are seeking by contacting the Village Clerk for the Village of Greenport and/or the Town Clerk for the Town of Southold. Village Clerk Village of Greenport Greenport Village Hall 236 Third Street, Greenport, NY 11944 Tel: 631/477-2385 Fax: 631/477-1877 eMail: ????? http://www.??????.??? Town Clerk Town of Southold Southold Town Hall P.O. Box 1179 53095 Main Road Southold, NY 11971 Tel: 631/765-1981 Fax: 631/765-1823 eMail: ????? http://www.northfork.net/southold/ The pertinent geography for the Village of Greenport: Greenport is a village (incorporated in 1838) in the eastern part of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County. There are 1 village and 10 hamlets in the Town of Southold. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Greenport in the Town of Southold is bordered on the north, east and west by the Hamlet of West Greenport; and, on the south by Peconic Bay. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Village of Greenport has a different border than does the "Greenport, NY" postal zone. There are places that have a "Greenport, NY 11944" mailing address that are not in the Village of Greenport. These places are in the Hamlet of West Greenport. The pertinent geography for the Hamlet of Orient: Orient is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the eastern part -- Orient is at the extreme eastern end of the north fork -- of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County. There are 1 village and 10 hamlets in the Town of Southold. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Orient in the Town of Southold is bordered on the north and east by the Long Island Sound; on the south by Gardiner's Bay; and, on the west by Hamlet of East Marion. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Orient has a different border than does the "Orient, NY" postal zone. There are places in the Hamlet of Orient that have an East Marion, NY mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Greenport (incorporated in 1838) and the Hamlet of Orient in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 28 (map) and 29 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

GROSBOUER/COYLE I have fairly well ascertained this couple did not marry in Brooklyn, though I haven't asked Municipal Records for the search because I have no specific date. I now have a clue that suggests the marriage may have taken place in either Greenport or Orient, Long Island, the county seat of which is Riverhead. Does anyone know if Suffolk County marriage records for late 1880s to early 1900s can be found on a website? And in the off chance that they might have married in Brooklyn before relocating with a step son, is there a site for Kings County marriage records, same period? Thanks. Jan Jan G. Miller jgrellim@sbcglobal.net

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I want to wish all my friends out there on the genealogy lists a Merry Christmas, a Happy Hannukah, and a *Joyous* Holiday Season! I just received my beautiful Christmas card from the Godfrey Memorial Library, and it looks like 2004 will be a great year for those of us who are engaged in online research. More great resources are becoming available to us online every day. Cheers to everyone, and may you all find those folks who you're looking for in 2004! Jim Garrity -- James Garrity NYC Genealogy Research Service, Cemetery Research & Photography http://www.NYCgen.com http://www.JimGarrity.com E-Mail: JimGarrity@Earthlink.net eFax: (718)504-6214 Member, Association of Professional Genealogists

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This coming Friday (December 19), New York City's Williamsburg Bridge will turn 100. For an interesting perspective, please go to: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/14/opinion/14MACA.html?th Happy Chanukah* Walter Greenspan * This year, Chanukah occurs from Friday night, December 19 through Saturday night, December 27 on the civil calendar.