On 1/27/04 (5:50:36 PM MST), as part of a posting to both LI lists (li-rooters@listserv.genexchange.com and NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com), Carl Lewis Friedrich (TheFFs@aol.com) asked, "Does anyone know if there are church records from the Old Woodbury Methodist Church that was located on the corner of Jericho Tpk (Rte25) and Woodbury Road? I know that the burial records are in the Huntington Historical Society and I have copies of them..I am looking for the ancestry of Frank Lewis his wife Lillian Baldwin and their children William A, Mildred Isabell and Charles Leslie" For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Syosset Public Library: Syosset Public Library 225 South Oyster Bay Road Syosset, NY 11791-5897 Tel: 516/921-7161 Fax: 516/921-8771 eMail: http://www.nassaulibrary.org/syosset/emailref.html http://www.nassaulibrary.org/syosset/ The pertinent geography: Woodbury is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the center-west part of the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County, along the Oyster Bay/Huntington Town line and the Nassau/Suffolk County line. There are 18 hamlets and 18 villages all or partly within the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Hamlet of Woodbury in the Town of Oyster Bay is bordered on the north by the Village of Laurel Hollow; on the east by the Hamlets of West Hills and Melville in the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County (the Oyster Bay/Huntington Town line and the Nassau/Suffolk County line); on the south by the Hamlet of Plainview; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Syosset. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Woodbury has a different border than does the "Woodbury, NY 11797" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Woodbury mailing address and not be in Woodbury and a place can be in Woodbury and have other than a Woodbury mailing address). ..............................................acres .....Hamlet of Woodbury............3,186 .....Woodbury, NY 11797...........3,175 There are places in part of the Hamlet of Syosset that have a Woodbury mailing address and, at the same time, there are places in Woodbury that have a "Plainview, NY" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier editions of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Woodbury in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County on pages 5 & 11 (map) and 12 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of place shave a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Dear Margit: Like Kathleen, I'm sorry you had a bad experience. It appears that one bad apple has soured your opinion of everyone on the list, and especially everyone who happens to be from New York. By the way, many, if not most of the people on NY lists don't even live here but they are researching the area. How do you know the person who insulted you lives here? Many of us who do happen to live here have been on this, and other NY lists for years trying to help hundreds if not thousands of people who researching in this area but happen to be geographically challenged (not living near NY). No one responded to a lookup request you made. I don't recall the request or what the locale was but perhaps there is no one on the list who can conveniently do this for you. If it was for Montauk, wrong time of year to ask! You might want to try Random Acts or a list that is specifically designed for lookups. Or, repost. Many folks are coming back from the holidays and winter vacations and may not have seen your previous request. I don't think I did and Kathleen doesn't remember it either. Sometimes, not often, but sometimes, people don't know what they are asking. They think it is a simple request and they can't understand why no one will help them. I had a guy once get furious at me because I said I couldn't go and do a free lookup for him, copy all of the files, mail it off, etc. from the Suffolk County Surrogates Court. Furious. Until I told him that it was 180 miles round trip! Did he offer to pay me mileage, gas, postage, anything? No. Just complained about how doggone unfriendly we are in NY. So, although we are a tough lot here in NY, we are neither "haughty taughty" nor deliberately rude. Far, far, from it. The only folks that I know who think like that have either never been here for any amount of time or haven't been here in years. It's a popular sport to say that NYers are rude. We're used to it but it doesn't make it true. Usually it is the other way around in my experience. You should see how some of the out-of-towners treat our clerks at the repositories... Here in NY we call it "hoity toity." :) We are to the point; perhaps not overly chatty. The pace of our city is usually very fast. We need you to get to the point quickly if we are going to help you or we move on. We walk fast, we talk fast. We are probably the most tolerant people on the planet unless you block a street. Then you'd better just expect to get honked or yelled at. Because of this tolerance you will rarely find a NYer making a broad brush stereotypical statement about a whole group of people from somewhere else, not Minnesota farmgirls certainly. Oh, maybe New Jersey. <G> By the way, did you know that there are still family farms within 20-30 miles of NYC? Yep. Did you know that there are 37,500 farms in NY State? Did you know that NY ranked third in fresh sweet corn (vs grain corn for feed) and corn silage production nationwide? Ninth in oat production? Number one in cabbage production Number two (after Vermont) in maple syrup production. Third, behind California and Washington State for grapes (make sure you visit the vineyards on the east end of LI when you come, we make some terrific wines). Eighth in the country for onion production? Twelfth for potatoes (I think we used to be second behind Idaho until a blight hit the Long Island crops about 35? years ago - Walter, when was that?). Second in the nation for fresh snap beans. Second for apples AND FIRST FOR PUMPKINS!!!! We rank 11th for Christmas Trees! Milk is NY States absolute number one agricultural product and it accounts for over one-half of total agricultural receipts for the state. Milk production ranks third in the county. Yep. Lil' ol' NY. Moooooo. Those cheeseheads have nothin' on us... ;) Source: NY State Dept. of Agriculture, 2002 statistics. Hope you hang around. Best regards. Nancy. Nancy Coleman NLColeman@worldnet.att.net Professional NYC & LI Research Services www.GenealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html ncroots@worldnet.att.net Coordinator, Nassau County GenExchange http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?state=ny&county=nassau List Administrator, LI-Rooters http://www.genexchange.org/MailListForm.cfm?cat=NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margit" <margit@eot.com> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [NY-LONGISLAND] Montauk, Long Island, New York? > Thanks Walter, I have appreciated your help over the last few months. When I > visit this year, at least I will know where to go on Long Island thanks to > you. I am now going off this list, as it appears that you have no one on it > that helps with lookups for obits at all or other information. I also have > tried to help people on the list and have gotten the haughty taughty return, > guess being a farm girl from Minnesota would not rate high with anyone in > New York as knowing much to help anyone. At least here in Minnesota, we know > how to treat people with consideration and go out of our way every day to > help others all over the world. > Night, > Margit > _\\|//_ Vennlig hilsen > ( o o ) Margit > *-=-=-oOO-(_)-OOo-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* > > > > On 1/25/04 (7:28:05 PM MST), Margit in Minnesota with 20+" of fresh snow > > coming your way ... (margit@eot.com) asked, > > > > "Would there possibly be any records online for Montauk, Long Island, New > > York?" > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html >

Does anyone know if there are church records from the Old Woodbury Methodist Church that was located on the corner of Jericho Tpk (Rte25) and Woodbury Road? I know that the burial records are in the Huntington Historical Society and I have copies of them.. I am looking for the ancestry of Frank Lewis his wife Lillian Baldwin and their children William A, Mildred Isabell and Charles Leslie I posted the following to the list about a year ago and will try again on a couple of Lewis families that I am trying to connect to "John Lewis of Westerly" Shepard Lewis, Revolutionary War had a son Mott Lewis (Brooklyn) had son George Washington Lewis b. 1827, d 1877 Huntington, NY married Margaret Etta Baldwin daughter Phebe Elizabeth m. Lewis Levi Gildersleeve, another daughter Cassie m. David Raynor and lived in Huntington. Does anyone on the list know anything about either of these Lewis Families? Thank you, Carl Lewis Friedrich (Lewis, Gildersleeve, Laws, Raynor, Friedrich and Mattmueller)

Hi Jan: In NY (at the county level) the wills and estates would be handled by the Surrogate's Court of that county. But, that would really only address those children for whom the parents had some money. If both parents died and they had no money, chances are the children would either be taken in by relatives (who could afford them) or institutions such as the Children's Aid Society (Charles Loring Brace of the Carmine Street Presbyterian Church 1853) or the New York Foundling Hospital (Sisters of Charity 1869). Both were particularly active in local private placement of children and orphan train placements where the children were sent out west or down south. There were several others that were ethnically or religiously based, such as the Hebrew National Orphan Home that Walter directed you to. Two excellent books that give a brief history of the institutions as well as all available census enumerations for all years are: The New York Foundling Hospital by Carolee R. Inskeep The Children's Aid Society of New York by Carolee R. Inskeep Good luck and best regards. Nancy. Nancy Coleman NLColeman@worldnet.att.net Professional NYC & LI Research Services www.GenealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html ncroots@worldnet.att.net Coordinator, Nassau County GenExchange http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?state=ny&county=nassau List Administrator, LI-Rooters http://www.genexchange.org/MailListForm.cfm?cat=NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Miller" <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:10 PM Subject: [NY-LONGISLAND] Orphans Court? > Today in class there was reference to Orphan's Court. I hadn't heard that before--perhaps because I paid little attention, although I do know there were Orphan Trains from East Coast cities to the mid-west in the 1800s. It seems reasonable then to accept the existence of Orphan's Courts. > > Where would I start to look for such a court--in particular, NYC. If so, I would presume there might be the same for Boston or Philadelphia at one time or another as well. > > I have one family in which both parents were dead by 1839 and the youngest child was only 1 1/2. There were slightly older siblings, so now I am curious as to how those 6 young children were cared for. > > Because I expressed interest, I was given the research of Orphan's courts as my task for next class! Jan > > > > > Jan G. Miller > jgrellim@sbcglobal.net > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html >

Jane Devlin (janedevlin@ameritech.net) of Lake Orion, MI has asked me to let subscribers to both LI lists know that she has files on many Nassau and Suffolk Cemeteries online at her site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/newyork/li_index.htm Today, Jane just added: Shelter Island Cemetery, Sylvester Manor Cemetery, Easthampton Cemeteries including Amagansett, Easthampton Village, Easthampton Village - North Ground, & Wainscott. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan

On 1/27/04 (11:13:37 AM MST), Viivien Martin (vjom@rogers.com) in a posting to li-rooters@listserv.genexchange.org, asked, "I have recently discovered that I am a direct descendant of Temperance TALMAGE m Sueton (Swetonius) GRANT of Providence Rhode Island through Janet GRANT m. John POWELL. I am also a direct descendant of Stephen JARVIS m circa 1650 Mary PORTER of Huntington, Long Island I believe that Temperance TALMAGE b.1710 is of the TALMAGE family from East Hampton. Where might I find the wills of the TALMAGE family of East Hampton and what church records should I search? Any other suggestions are most appreciated." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the County Clerk of Suffolk County and the East Hampton Library: County Clerk's Office Suffolk County 310 Center Drive Riverhead, NY 11901-3392 Tel: 631/852-2001 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: edward.romaine@co.suffolk.ny.us http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/webtemp2.cfm?dept=33&id=2041 East Hampton Library 159 Main Street East Hampton, NY 11937 Tel: 631/324-0222 Fax: 631/329-5947 eMail: ehamlib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://www.easthamptonlibrary.org/ The pertinent geography: East Hampton is a village (incorporated in 1920) in the southwestern part of the Town of East Hampton, Suffolk County. There are currently 2 villages (municipal corporations) and 7 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of East Hampton. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of East Hampton is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Wainscott and the Hamlet of East Hampton North; on the east by the Hamlet of Amagansett; on the south by the Great South Bay; and on the west by the Hamlet of East Hampton. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Village of East Hampton has a different border than does the "East Hampton, NY 11937" postal zone (i.e., a place can have an East Hampton mailing address and not be in East Hampton). Those places that have an "East Hampton, NY" mailing address that are not in the Village of East Hampton are in the Hamlet of East Hampton North, the Hamlet of Amagansett and the Hamlet of Springs. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier editions of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of East Hampton (incorporated in 1920) in the Town of East Hampton, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 32 (map) and 33 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Sincerely, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Dear Margit... I wish you wouldn't leave the Long Island list. I'm sorry you have had bad experiences. We aren't ALL that way... I don't remember reading anything from you before this time, but I'm not diligent in reading my emails due to time constraints. But, who are you looking for in Montauk. Please repost. Thanks, Kathleen who will help if possible....

On 1/25/04 (7:28:05 PM MST), Margit in Minnesota with 20+" of fresh snow coming your way ... (margit@eot.com) asked, "Would there possibly be any records online for Montauk, Long Island, New York?" For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Montauk Library: Montauk Library P.O. Box 700 Montauk, NY 11954 Tel: 631/668-3377 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: mntklib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://www.suffolk.lib.ny.us/libraries/mntk/ The pertinent geography: Montauk is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the extreme eastern part of the Town of East Hampton, Suffolk County. There are currently 2 villages (municipal corporations) and 7 hamlets all or partly in the Town of East Hampton. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Montauk is bordered on the north, east and south by Long Island Sound; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Napeague. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Montauk has a different border than does the "Montauk, NY 11954" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Montauk mailing address and not be in Montauk). Those places that have a "Montauk, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Montauk are in the Hamlet of Napeague. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Montauk in the Town of East Hampton, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 32 (map) and 33 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan in Great Falls, MT, where temps are heading to 15 below ... . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

The geography of Long Island can be quite confusing, even to current residents, let alone to those who live in other parts of the country and have never been to the area. Thus, the following ... For a good town-by-town map showing all the villages and hamlets in each of LI's 13 towns, read on: Each year, LIPA, as successor to LILCO, publishes a report (the report is published by LIPA, but is written by KeySpan, previously known as LILCO) updating the census population numbers (by using people-per-electric meter ratios) for all the 293 communities on Long Island. There are 2 cities and 13 towns (as well as 2 Indian reservations) in the bi-counties and the 13 towns (3 in Nassau and 10 in Suffolk) are further sub-divided into 95 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 196 hamlets (unincorporated areas), yielding 293 communities (2 + 95 + 196 = 293). ..............Nassau......Suffolk........Total ....cities............2..........0..............2 ...villages.........64.........31.............95 .hamlets..........70........126............196 .....total.........136........157............293 The heart of this 40-page report are maps of each of the 13 towns (3 in Nassau, 10 in Suffolk), showing the true borders of all villages and hamlets (not the postal zone borders) in each town. The facing pages list which communities are villages or hamlets and their populations. (You'll find villages and hamlets that you never knew existed because they are in some other community-named postal zone.) I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. I consider this the best resource available in understanding the geography and governmental organization of Nassau and Suffolk Counties. You can download a copy of the 2002 LI Population Survey by going to (copy and paste the entire URL, beginning with "http" and ending with "html"): http://www.lipower.org/company/pubs/popsurvey.html If you will be so kind, please let me know what you think of this report after you have downloaded it. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Sincerely, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Thanks Walter, I have appreciated your help over the last few months. When I visit this year, at least I will know where to go on Long Island thanks to you. I am now going off this list, as it appears that you have no one on it that helps with lookups for obits at all or other information. I also have tried to help people on the list and have gotten the haughty taughty return, guess being a farm girl from Minnesota would not rate high with anyone in New York as knowing much to help anyone. At least here in Minnesota, we know how to treat people with consideration and go out of our way every day to help others all over the world. Night, Margit _\\|//_ Vennlig hilsen ( o o ) Margit *-=-=-oOO-(_)-OOo-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* > On 1/25/04 (7:28:05 PM MST), Margit in Minnesota with 20+" of fresh snow > coming your way ... (margit@eot.com) asked, > > "Would there possibly be any records online for Montauk, Long Island, New > York?"

Long Island Library Resources Council (LILRC) Digitization Pilot Project contains a total of 333 digitized and cataloged postcards from the Bryant Public Library's local history collection (the Bryant Public Library serves those living in the Roslyn School District). You can access this Pilot Project, by first going to "www.lilrc.org/", scrolling down the page, until, on the left-hand side, just above the bottom, you can click on "LILRC Digitization Pilot Project" Or, to browse these 333 postcards, organized on 34 pages, you can go directly to: http://209.139.1.66/cgi-bin/browseresults.exe The Long Island Library Resources Council (LILRC), one of nine New York State Reference and Research Library Resources System (3Rs), is a multi-type library membership organization that fosters and enhances resource sharing and other cooperative activities among diverse libraries in Nassau and Suffolk counties. An organization chartered and funded by the State, LILRC is also committed to working with library systems and associations in the region and throughout New York, and with the Division of Library Development of the New York State Education Department, to further its goals Contact Information: Long Island Library Resources Council Melville Library, Suite E5310 Stony Brook, NY 11794-3399 Tel: 631/632-6650 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: ????? http://www.lilrc.org/ I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan

Hi Walter, Would there possibly be any records online for Montauk, Long Island, New York? Thank you, Margit in Minnesota with 20+" of fresh snow coming your way.....

Hi Many thanks for the info. I will try and trace by contacting them. A senior moment to leave out the year 1906!! Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:12 AM Subject: [NY-LONGISLAND] Cold Spring - Robert Young > > On 1/24/04 (12:21:27 PM MST), Mike (m.dowding@virgin.net) asked, > > "I have found a ships manifest via Ellis Island site with a party of Youngs > going to the Husband/Father Robert Young at Blackford Hall, Cold Spring, Long > Island. At the moment I am not sure these are mine as Robert Young is a bit of > a common name for Scottish immigrants. However, all the names tie up and > certainly my grandmother Jean Young ended up in Huntington as did my grandmother > and grandfather. for a time. > > QUESTION What is/was Blackford Hall? Where in Cold Spring is it?" > > > Whatever Blackford Hall was in the unspecified year you're seeking > information about, Blackford Hall is now the dining facility at Cold Spring Harbor > Laboratory and, thus for questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Cold > Spring Harbor Laboratory as well as the Cold Spring Harbor Library: >

> > >Hi Jim, >Can you please tell me if I join the Library you mention will I be able to >view records on people of Long Island ..... >Thank you, >Rachel Caves >rcaves@charter.net > Well, you certainly will find people on Long Island in the various censuses available from The Godfrey, and I'm sure you will find some reference to Long Island folks in The New York Times, but I do not know for sure what you will find about Long Island people in the other Godfrey resources. Good Luck, Jim Garrity

Rachel, It depends upon what you are looking for. In addition to the Federal Census, I have found Birth Announcements, Wedding Announcements, Obit's and various other articles about my family from Long Island and New York City. The New York Times has a lot of information. The LA Times and Washington Post also has a lot of information. I found an Uncle who lived in Los Angeles mentioned in the LA Times. David Annenberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Caves" <rcaves@charter.net> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [NY-LONGISLAND] The Godfrey Memorial Library-Online Resources > Hi Jim, > Can you please tell me if I join the Library you mention will I be able to > view records on people of Long Island ..... > Thank you, > Rachel Caves > rcaves@charter.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Garrity" <JimGarrity@earthlink.net> > To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 9:09 AM > Subject: [NY-LONGISLAND] The Godfrey Memorial Library-Online Resources > > > > Hello, Folks.. > > > > The Godfrey Memorial Library in Middletown Connecticut has added two > > more newspapers to its Online Resource lineup---The Los Angeles Times > > (1881-1984) > > and The Washington Post (1877-1988). They already provide The New York > > Times (1851-2001). > > > > I am a Godfrey Library member--but I have no financial interest in the > > Library, nor do I receive any compensation from them in any form. I > > simply believe that at $35.00 per year, this Library's online resources > > represent the best buy that a genealogical enthusiast who likes to do > > research at home can make. > > > > Check out their online resources below. This information is from the > > Godfrey website: > > > > The Library Online Catalog. > > The catalog represents about 20% of our collection. > > We add more than 800 additional titles per week. > > > > Online Resources: Available either at the library or from your home 24/7 > > > > US Census 1790-1930 > > Digital images of the entire U.S. census. There are census indexes for > > the following years: 1790 to 1820, 1860, 1870, 1890 to 1910, 1920 (35 > > states completed) and 1930 (4 states completed). > > Digital Book Collection > > Access ProQuest's HeritageQuest Online with nearly 8,000 family > > histories and more than 12,000 local histories, every word searchable . > > > > African American Biographical Database > > Chadwyck-Healey's African American Biographical Database is a resource > > of first resort for biographical information, including photographs and > > illustrations, for African Americans. From the famous to the everyday > > person, AABD includes profiles and full-text sketches chronicling the > > lives of Black Americans from 1790 to 1950. > > > > Every word searchable editions of: > > The New York Times (1851-2001) > > The Los Angeles Times (1881-1984) > > The Washington Post (1877-1988) > > > > Nineteenth Century Newspaper Collection > > > > Otherdays - Search for your Irish Ancestors > > A major milestone in the development of Irish genealogy on the internet > > has been reached with the launch of Griffith's Valuation of Ireland on > > the new Otherdays website. Otherdays includes references and page images > > to thousands of resources. Search by first name, last name, and any > > combination of county, barony, parish and townland, or use the GenWizard > > to help you plan your research. > > > > > > To access the online resources from home you will need to be a Godfrey > > Scholar. > > > > http://www.godfrey.org/ > > > > Good Luck, > > > > Jim Garrity > > -- > > James Garrity > > NYC Genealogy Research Service, Cemetery Research & Photography > > http://www.NYCgen.com > > http://www.JimGarrity.com > > E-Mail: JimGarrity@Earthlink.net > > eFax: (718)504-6214 > > Member, Association of Professional Genealogists > > Member, Godfrey Memorial Library, http://www.godfrey.org > > > > > > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > > List Guidelines: > http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html > > > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > * * * IS YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE UP TO DATE?? * * * > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html > >

On 1/24/04 (12:21:27 PM MST), Mike (m.dowding@virgin.net) asked, "I have found a ships manifest via Ellis Island site with a party of Youngs going to the Husband/Father Robert Young at Blackford Hall, Cold Spring, Long Island. At the moment I am not sure these are mine as Robert Young is a bit of a common name for Scottish immigrants. However, all the names tie up and certainly my grandmother Jean Young ended up in Huntington as did my grandmother and grandfather. for a time. QUESTION What is/was Blackford Hall? Where in Cold Spring is it?" Whatever Blackford Hall was in the unspecified year you're seeking information about, Blackford Hall is now the dining facility at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory and, thus for questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory as well as the Cold Spring Harbor Library: Public Affairs Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory Bungtown Road Laurel Hollow (Cold Spring Harbor P.O.), NY 11724 Tel: 516/367-8397 Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: pubaff@cshl.edu http://www.cshl.org/ Cold Spring Harbor Library 75 Goose Hill Road Cold Spring Harbor, NY 11724-1315 Tel: 631/692-6820 Fax: 631/692-6827 eMail: cshrref@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://cshlibrary.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ Laurel Hollow is one of those many communities on Long Island where none of the places in Laurel Hollow have a "Laurel Hollow, NY" mailing address. The pertinent geography: Laurel Hollow is a village (incorporated in 1926 as Laurelton, after a local mansion; but, because of confusion with a Queens County community of the same name, the village changed it to Laurel Hollow in 1935) in the northeastern part of the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County, along the Oyster Bay/Huntington town line and the Nassau/Suffolk county line. There are 18 villages and 18 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly within the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Village of Laurel Hollow in the Town of Oyster Bay is bordered on the north by Cold Spring Harbor; on the east by the Hamlet of Cold Spring Harbor in the Town of Huntington (the Oyster Bay/Huntington town line and the Nassau/Suffolk county line); on the south by the Hamlet of Woodbury; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Syosset and the Village of Oyster Bay Cove. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Laurel Hollow has a different border than does the postal zones that service its area. In this case, there is no "Laurel Hollow, NY" postal zone. .............................................acres .....Village of Laurel Hollow.......1,868 .....Laurel Hollow, NY ?????......none Places within the Village of Laurel Hollow are in the "Oyster Bay, NY 11771", the "Cold Spring Harbor, NY 11724", the "Woodbury, NY 11797" or the "Syosset, NY 11791" postal zone. The world-famous Cold Spring Harbor Lab is actually in the Village of Laurel Hollow in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County and not in the Hamlet of Cold Spring Harbor in the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County, For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Laurel Hollow (incorporated in 1926) in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County on pages 5 & 11 (map) and 12 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Hi listers I have found a ships manifest via Ellis Island site with a party of Youngs going to the Husband/Father Robert Young at Blackford Hall, Cold Spring, Long Island. At the moment I am not sure these are mine as Robert Young is a bit of a common name for Scottish immigrants. However, all the names tie up and certainly my grandmother Jean Young ended up in Huntington as did my grandmother and grandfather. for a time. QUESTION What is/was Blackford Hall? Where in Cold Spring is it? TIA Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com

Hi Jim, Can you please tell me if I join the Library you mention will I be able to view records on people of Long Island ..... Thank you, Rachel Caves rcaves@charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Garrity" <JimGarrity@earthlink.net> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [NY-LONGISLAND] The Godfrey Memorial Library-Online Resources > Hello, Folks.. > > The Godfrey Memorial Library in Middletown Connecticut has added two > more newspapers to its Online Resource lineup---The Los Angeles Times > (1881-1984) > and The Washington Post (1877-1988). They already provide The New York > Times (1851-2001). > > I am a Godfrey Library member--but I have no financial interest in the > Library, nor do I receive any compensation from them in any form. I > simply believe that at $35.00 per year, this Library's online resources > represent the best buy that a genealogical enthusiast who likes to do > research at home can make. > > Check out their online resources below. This information is from the > Godfrey website: > > The Library Online Catalog. > The catalog represents about 20% of our collection. > We add more than 800 additional titles per week. > > Online Resources: Available either at the library or from your home 24/7 > > US Census 1790-1930 > Digital images of the entire U.S. census. There are census indexes for > the following years: 1790 to 1820, 1860, 1870, 1890 to 1910, 1920 (35 > states completed) and 1930 (4 states completed). > Digital Book Collection > Access ProQuest's HeritageQuest Online with nearly 8,000 family > histories and more than 12,000 local histories, every word searchable . > > African American Biographical Database > Chadwyck-Healey's African American Biographical Database is a resource > of first resort for biographical information, including photographs and > illustrations, for African Americans. From the famous to the everyday > person, AABD includes profiles and full-text sketches chronicling the > lives of Black Americans from 1790 to 1950. > > Every word searchable editions of: > The New York Times (1851-2001) > The Los Angeles Times (1881-1984) > The Washington Post (1877-1988) > > Nineteenth Century Newspaper Collection > > Otherdays - Search for your Irish Ancestors > A major milestone in the development of Irish genealogy on the internet > has been reached with the launch of Griffith's Valuation of Ireland on > the new Otherdays website. Otherdays includes references and page images > to thousands of resources. Search by first name, last name, and any > combination of county, barony, parish and townland, or use the GenWizard > to help you plan your research. > > > To access the online resources from home you will need to be a Godfrey > Scholar. > > http://www.godfrey.org/ > > Good Luck, > > Jim Garrity > -- > James Garrity > NYC Genealogy Research Service, Cemetery Research & Photography > http://www.NYCgen.com > http://www.JimGarrity.com > E-Mail: JimGarrity@Earthlink.net > eFax: (718)504-6214 > Member, Association of Professional Genealogists > Member, Godfrey Memorial Library, http://www.godfrey.org > > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html >

Hello, Folks.. The Godfrey Memorial Library in Middletown Connecticut has added two more newspapers to its Online Resource lineup---The Los Angeles Times (1881-1984) and The Washington Post (1877-1988). They already provide The New York Times (1851-2001). I am a Godfrey Library member--but I have no financial interest in the Library, nor do I receive any compensation from them in any form. I simply believe that at $35.00 per year, this Library's online resources represent the best buy that a genealogical enthusiast who likes to do research at home can make. Check out their online resources below. This information is from the Godfrey website: The Library Online Catalog. The catalog represents about 20% of our collection. We add more than 800 additional titles per week. Online Resources: Available either at the library or from your home 24/7 US Census 1790-1930 Digital images of the entire U.S. census. There are census indexes for the following years: 1790 to 1820, 1860, 1870, 1890 to 1910, 1920 (35 states completed) and 1930 (4 states completed). Digital Book Collection Access ProQuest’s HeritageQuest Online with nearly 8,000 family histories and more than 12,000 local histories, every word searchable . African American Biographical Database Chadwyck-Healey’s African American Biographical Database is a resource of first resort for biographical information, including photographs and illustrations, for African Americans. From the famous to the everyday person, AABD includes profiles and full-text sketches chronicling the lives of Black Americans from 1790 to 1950. Every word searchable editions of: The New York Times (1851-2001) The Los Angeles Times (1881-1984) The Washington Post (1877-1988) Nineteenth Century Newspaper Collection Otherdays - Search for your Irish Ancestors A major milestone in the development of Irish genealogy on the internet has been reached with the launch of Griffith's Valuation of Ireland on the new Otherdays website. Otherdays includes references and page images to thousands of resources. Search by first name, last name, and any combination of county, barony, parish and townland, or use the GenWizard to help you plan your research. To access the online resources from home you will need to be a Godfrey Scholar. http://www.godfrey.org/ Good Luck, Jim Garrity -- James Garrity NYC Genealogy Research Service, Cemetery Research & Photography http://www.NYCgen.com http://www.JimGarrity.com E-Mail: JimGarrity@Earthlink.net eFax: (718)504-6214 Member, Association of Professional Genealogists Member, Godfrey Memorial Library, http://www.godfrey.org

On 1/23/04 (2:15:22 PM MST), as part of an eMail, Lilly Murphy (LMlakewood@aol.com) wrote, "Thank you for the reply. It is nice to find someone with such knowledge of an area I am just beginning to research. Some more questions for ya- Do I write to the City Hall in the town of Islip for marriage and birth records?" You're welcome. Where to write depends on where the thing you are writing about actually occurred, not where the person might have been residing. Having said that, the contact information for the Town Clerk for the Town of Islip: Town Clerk Town of Islip Islip Town Hall 655 Main Street Islip, NY 11751-3651 Tel: 631/224-5490 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: ????? http://www.???.???.??? Currently, there are 4 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 22 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Islip. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) These 26 communities are (if a village, year of incorporation): Bayport Bay Shore Baywood Bohemia Brentwood Brightwaters (1916) Central Islip East Islip Fire Island (part) Great River Hauppauge (part) Holbrook (part) Holtsville (part) Islandia (1985) Islip Islip Terrace North Bay Shore North Great River Oakdale Ocean Beach (1921) Ronkonkoma Saltaire (1917) Sayville West Bay Shore West Islip West Sayville part = indicates a village or hamlet that straddles town boundaries. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier editions of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Town of Islip and all the villages and hamlets within the Town of Islip, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 20 (map) and 21 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.