I would like to learn if employee records still exist for the company that produced 'The Monitor' in 1862--Continental Iron Works in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. My great grandfather was a shipwright and family stories tell that he 'worked on' The Monitor. Illustrations show it sliding down the ways in Greenpoint, Brooklyn where he [Amos Silkworth] was an employee. I have a receipt signed by him for materials billed to the Schooner Eagle, but there is no heading on the receipt. Where to look--NY State, Brooklyn or Maritime records, and after learning that, where would such records be located? Thanks in advance--Jan

On 1/31/04 (2:32:23 PM MST), Lilly Murphy (LMlakewood@aol.com) wrote, "Surfing on E-bay I found a listing for a Bayshore Islip NY 1888 Maps with Homeowners names listed. I have no connection to this seller, just thought someone on the list may be interested. Sale is over soon-no bidder last I checked." I have not looked at this map, but for those who might be interested here's the pertinent geography: Bay Shore is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the southwestern section of the Town of Islip, Suffolk County. There are 4 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 23 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Islip. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Bay Shore in the Town of Islip is bordered on the north by Hamlets of Baywood and North Bay Shore; on the east by the Hamlet of Islip; on the south by the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Village of Brightwaters. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Bay Shore has a different border than does the "Bay Shore, NY 11706" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Bay Shore mailing address and not be in Bay Shore). Those places that have a "Bay Shore, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Bay Shore are in the Hamlet of North Bay Shore, the Hamlet of West Bay Shore, the Hamlet of Baywood, the Hamlet of Islip, the Village of Saltaire and in the Hamlet of Fire Island. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Bay Shore in the Town of Islip, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 20 (map) and 21 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 1/31/04 (10:57:58 AM MST), in a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Jennifer (bridget19642001@hotmail.com) wrote. "I think you have to look into the TOWN OF BABYLON for Copaigue records its not in the Huntington area, also the town of Amityville has there own "government " they just might have some info there are the next town over." First, the area that became the Town of Babylon in 1872 was part of the Town of Huntington prior to that date, and thus records for events, if such records were kept, in what is now the Town of Babylon that occurred prior to 1872 would be with the Town Clerk for the Town of Babylon. Second, Amityville is not a 'Town'. Amityville is a village in the Town of Babylon. Third, while the Village of Amityville is in the Town of Babylon, Suffolk County, it is interesting to note that the majority of places that have an "Amityville, NY" mailing address are not in the Village of Amityville. Those places with an "Amityville, NY" mailing address that are not in the Village of Amityville are in the Hamlet of Copiague and the Hamlet of North Amityville in the Town of Babylon, and in the Hamlet of East Massapequa in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County. The pertinent geography: Amityville is a village (incorporated in 1894) in the southwestern part of the Town of Babylon, Suffolk County (along the Babylon/Oyster Bay town line and the Suffolk/Nassau County line). There are 3 villages and 12 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Babylon. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Amityville in the Town of Babylon is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of North Amityville; on the east by the Hamlet of Copiague; on the south by the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of East Massapequa in the town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County (the Babylon/Oyster Bay town line and the Suffolk/Nassau County line). And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Village of Amityville has a different border than does the "Amityville, NY 11701" postal zone (i.e., a place can have an Amityville mailing address and not be in Amityville). Those places that have an "Amityville, NY" mailing address that are not in the Village of Amityville are in the Hamlet of Copiague and the Hamlet of North Amityville in the Town of Babylon and in the Hamlet of East Massapequa in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Amityville (incorporated in 1894) in the Town of Babylon, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 18 (map) and 19 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

1/31/04 (9:28:31 AM MST), in a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Paula (DeanPaula@aol.com) asked, "Is there any chance the Huntington Records would have a birth certificate for Fannie May Austin, born in Copaigue Village, Babylon Town May 8, 1883? Or a marriage around that time for Charles E. Austin? He was born June 1856. He married sometime around 1890s, but I think that was his second marriage. Fannie or Fanny is my grandmother, and I would love to find out more about her and who her mother was. I only met her once that I remember. Any records the state may have had on her were destroyed in a fire. Even the church where she married had a fire, so I don't know where to search." Two points: 1. For events that occurred prior to 1872, when the area that is now the Town of Babylon was part of the Town of Huntington, you should contact the Town Clerk for the Town of Huntington. But, bear in mind, that prior to 1881, New York State did not require municipalities to maintain vital statistics. Town Clerk Town of Huntington Huntington Town Hall 100 Main Street Huntington, NY 11743 Tel: 631/351-3206 Fax: 631/351-3205 eMail: clerk@town.huntington.ny.us http://town.huntington.ny.us/ 2. Copiague is not a village (municipal corporation). Copiague is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the Town of Babylon, and for events that occurred in 1872 or later in the Hamlet of Copiague, you should contact the Town Clerk for the Town of Babylon. Office of the Town Clerk Town of Babylon Babylon Town Hall 200 East Sunrise Highway Lindenhurst, NY 11757 Tel: 631/957-3000 Fax: 631/957-7440 eMail: ????? http://www.babylonli.com/contact/index.cfm The pertinent geography: Copiague is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the southwestern part of the Town of Babylon, Suffolk County. There are 3 villages (municipal corporations) and 12 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Babylon. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Copiague in the Town of Babylon is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of North Amityville; on the east by the Village of Lindenhurst; on the south by the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Village of Amityville. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Copiague has a different border than does the "Copiague, NY 11726" postal zone (i.e., a place can have other than a Copiague mailing address and be in Copiague). There are places in the Hamlet of Copiague with an "Amityville, NY 11701" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Copiague in the Town of Babylon, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 18 (map) and 19 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Surfing on E-bay I found a listing for a Bayshore Islip NY 1888 Maps with Homeowners names listed. I have no connection to this seller, just thought someone on the list may be interested. Sale is over soon-no bidder last I checked. Lilly Murphy

do you know when sale is over? i couldn't find anything on e-bay. LMlakewood@aol.com wrote: Surfing on E-bay I found a listing for a Bayshore Islip NY 1888 Maps with Homeowners names listed. I have no connection to this seller, just thought someone on the list may be interested. Sale is over soon-no bidder last I checked. Lilly Murphy ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== Please do not send messages to the list asking the members to join in "letter writing" campaigns, regardless of the purpose. Guidelines for the list can be found at: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!

I think you have to look into the TOWN OF BABYLON for Copaigue records its not in the Huntington area , also the town of Amityville has there own "government " they just might have some info there are the next town over . Jennifer >From: DeanPaula@aol.com >Reply-To: NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com >To: NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NY-LONGISLAND] Huntington Town Records, including Babylon >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:18:33 EST > >Hi, >Is there any chance the Huntington Records would have a birth certificate >for >Fannie May Austin, born in Copaigue Village, Babylon Town May 8, 1883? Or >a >marriage around that time for Charles E. Austin? He was born June 1856. >He married sometime around 1890s, but I think that was his second marriage. >Fannie or Fanny is my grandmother, and I would love to find out more about >her >and who her mother was. I only met her once that I remember. Any >records >the state may have had on her were destroyed in a fire. Even the church >where she married had a fire, so I don't know where to search. >Paula > > >==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== >Please do not send messages to the list asking the members to join in >"letter writing" campaigns, regardless of the purpose. >Guidelines for the list can be found at: >http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html > _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

Hi, Is there any chance the Huntington Records would have a birth certificate for Fannie May Austin, born in Copaigue Village, Babylon Town May 8, 1883? Or a marriage around that time for Charles E. Austin? He was born June 1856. He married sometime around 1890s, but I think that was his second marriage. Fannie or Fanny is my grandmother, and I would love to find out more about her and who her mother was. I only met her once that I remember. Any records the state may have had on her were destroyed in a fire. Even the church where she married had a fire, so I don't know where to search. Paula

Walter, Your messsages are always interesting, and sometimes VERY useful. Thanks and keep it up. You really know Long Island! Paula

Dear Walter: It is useful and interesting. Yes, sub-divisions and highways are a blight. But, there really was a biological type of blight that effected the potatoe crops out east for a couple of years running. It last reared its ugly head about 1994 and is a close cousin to the blight that wiped out Ireland in the late 1840s. Phytophthora infestans. Commonly called late blight. Our US potato crops were almost as wiped out as Ireland's during the same period, by the same blight. Farther out (north and south forks primarily is how I remember it) from the middle island development and much later than the 50's is what I was talking about. At that point I guess you could say "what was left of the Long Island potato farms..." If I remember correctly, Newsday had a story all about it awhile back (a few years ago at least) with an article about how the wine industry and how the agri-entrepreneurs (vineyards as well as nursery stock farms) had at least saved much of the land from the developers and had kept it as agri-business before the ecomomic building boom of the 80's. The US potato industry has suffered several periods of fungal blight infestation or diseases of rot of one type or another. One big one was back in early 40's. This is cited as being one of the events that began the wholesale spraying of DDT and other pesticides and fungicides on Long Island, continuing through the 50's and 60's. The effects have been studied for a decade due to the high clusters of breast cancer. Nassau farms were hit with golden nematode infestations in the 1940's (first discovered on a potato farm in Hicksville in July 1941) and there's no telling how this effected urban sprall. In 1944 NYS quaranteened portions of Nassau and Suffolk County to stop the spread of the golden nematode. In 1945, Levitt & Sons begin buying golden nematode infested potato farms for low cost housing on Long Island. Anyway, today there are very few potato farmers left and primarily in Riverhead and Southold Towns from what I can gather. I think maybe one or two are left in St. James or nearby. Ironically almost all of the potatoes grown here, leave here and are not sold in the markets on Long Island. To compete, the farmers have joined a large coop and they ship out their crops to other markets, including Canada. Potatoes and ducks, oh where have they gone? ??? Back to grapes... They (the vineyards) are celebrating their 30th Anniversary out there this year by the way. I was out there last weekend and visited many of the oldest (Hargrave which is now Borghese opened in 1973). Gorgeous winter Sunday drive... no traffic! Another interesting side story: Marco Borghese told us that many of the current day vintners have deeded the development rights to the Town so that if a particular farm is sold, the decision to develop the land for housing tracts is a non issue because whoever the buyer would be would not be granted those rights. They would remain with the town in perpetuity. Anyway, I remember the article distinctly as talking about the nature of the blight and that biologically it was about as close as you get to the variety that wiped out Ireland's crops in the late 1840's. It also discussed the root stock the vintners were using to reduce the effect of another organism that had effected other US vineyards. Unfortunately I don't see a comprehensive archive of old Newsday issues online. I wish I had saved it! But, I found a whole bunch of other online resources. One that everyone may get a kick out of is: http://tuckertaters.com/p_chronology_nov23.pdf Potatoes have a more comprehensive history than most families I research! Anyway, I thought you might have recalled the article Walter. You're such a Newday-o-phile! :) Man, if you guys haven't seen Riverhead in awhile, hold on to your hats! Talk about a building and commercial boom... Unbelievable. Best regards. Nancy. Nancy Coleman NLColeman@worldnet.att.net Professional NYC & LI Research Services www.GenealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html ncroots@worldnet.att.net Coordinator, Nassau County GenExchange http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?state=ny&county=nassau List Administrator, LI-Rooters http://www.genexchange.org/MailListForm.cfm?cat=NY ----- Original Message ----- From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:49 PM Subject: [NY-LONGISLAND] Montauk, Long Island, New York? > > On 1/28/04 (2:31:42 PM MST), as part of a posting to > NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Nancy Coleman (NLColeman@worldnet.att.net) wrote, > > "Twelfth for potatoes (I think we used to be second behind Idaho until a > blight hit the > Long Island crops about 35? years ago - Walter, when was that?). > > > First, you forgot to mention that Suffolk County is the number 1 county in > New York in agriculture receipts. > > Second, on potatoes: the blight -- developers and their sub-divisions -- > began the destruction of what had been potato fields in the mid-1950s, as the new > national highway system made it cheaper to ship potatoes from farther away > areas into the NYC area putting downward pressure on locally grown potatoes and > demand for suburban housing bid up the price of land away from potatoes. As a > bulk commodity, potatoes had been too expensive to do that prior to the > Interstate highway system. Additionally, people's taste changed, preferring the > russet as grown in Idaho and Washington over the katahdin (named after Mount > Katahdin in Maine) as grown along the East Coast. > > By the way: the potato and tomato have the same ending because they came > from the same area: the Peruvian Andes, and the potato was worth more than all > the gold that the conquistadors stole from South America. > > > I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. > > Walter Greenspan > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html >

fore those looking for the "Daily Review Star", a quick Google search indicates that the Nassau Daily Review Star was published in Freeport, and thus the first thought would be to see if the Freeport Library might have the paper or micro film of the paper on file and the second thought is to check with the Long Island Studies Institute: Freeport Memorial Library 144 West Merrick Road Freeport, NY 11520 Tel: 516/379-3274 Fax: 516/868-9741 eMail: reffr@nassaulibrary.org http://www.nassaulibrary.org/freeport/ Long Island Studies Institute West Campus Library Hofstra University 619 Fulton Avenue Hempstead, NY 11549-4575 Tel: 516/463-6411 Fax 516/463-6441 eMail: lisi@hofstra.edu http://www.hofstra.edu/Libraries/LISI/index_LISI.cfm I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan

Have you tried the United Methodist church near you to find out if they have a national office or diocese of some kind. Like other churches maybe they have a national directory> Pat CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: [NY-LONGISLAND] Old Woodbury Methodist Church > > On 1/27/04 (5:50:36 PM MST), as part of a posting to both LI lists > (li-rooters@listserv.genexchange.com and NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com), Carl Lewis > Friedrich (TheFFs@aol.com) asked, > > "Does anyone know if there are church records from the Old Woodbury Methodist > Church that was located on the corner of Jericho Tpk (Rte25) and Woodbury > Road? I know that the burial records are in the Huntington Historical Society > and > I have copies of them..I am looking for the ancestry of Frank Lewis his wife > Lillian Baldwin and their children William A, Mildred Isabell and Charles > Leslie" > > > For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Syosset Public > Library: > > Syosset Public Library > 225 South Oyster Bay Road > Syosset, NY 11791-5897 > > Tel: 516/921-7161 > Fax: 516/921-8771 > > eMail: > http://www.nassaulibrary.org/syosset/emailref.html > > http://www.nassaulibrary.org/syosset/ > > > The pertinent geography: > > Woodbury is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the center-west part of the > Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County, along the Oyster Bay/Huntington Town line > and the Nassau/Suffolk County line. There are 18 hamlets and 18 villages all > or partly within the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in > Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the > NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) > > Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Hamlet of > Woodbury in the Town of Oyster Bay is bordered on the north by the Village of > Laurel Hollow; on the east by the Hamlets of West Hills and Melville in the Town > of Huntington, Suffolk County (the Oyster Bay/Huntington Town line and the > Nassau/Suffolk County line); on the south by the Hamlet of Plainview; and, on the > west by the Hamlet of Syosset. > > And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, > 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Woodbury has a different border than > does the "Woodbury, NY 11797" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Woodbury > mailing address and not be in Woodbury and a place can be in Woodbury and have > other than a Woodbury mailing address). > > ..............................................acres > .....Hamlet of Woodbury............3,186 > .....Woodbury, NY 11797...........3,175 > > There are places in part of the Hamlet of Syosset that have a Woodbury > mailing address and, at the same time, there are places in Woodbury that have a > "Plainview, NY" mailing address. > > For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier editions of the LI > Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power > Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to > access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Woodbury in the Town of > Oyster Bay, Nassau County on pages 5 & 11 (map) and 12 (population estimate). > > I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. > > Regards, > > Walter Greenspan > > > Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State > > New York State is divided into counties. > > County > A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to > perform state functions; a "regional" government All counties are divided into > cities, towns and Indian reservations. > > City > A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities > are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods which are informal geographic > areas. > > Town > A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the > state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be > sub-divided into villages and hamlets. > > Village > A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by > the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with > municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a > city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic > areas. > > Hamlet > A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed > at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which > are informal geographic areas. > > Postal Zone "City" and "Town" > A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by > the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" > may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. > Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet > location. > > > Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of > non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of place shave a > different community name in their mailing address than the community where that > place is actually located. > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html

Walter that information is very useful and also very informative. I grew up on LI and knew about the potato farms while everyeone was grumbling about losing the farms as they poured into the Grumman/Republic parking lots for work. I was a cheerleader iat Huntington HS--one of our cheers was.......... (groan) Long Island potatoes, California cactus We're playing Bay Shore Just for the practice" Now isn't that a bell-ringer? Not valuable or even interesting, but.... Soyamaven@aol.com wrote: On 1/28/04 (2:31:42 PM MST), as part of a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Nancy Coleman (NLColeman@worldnet.att.net) wrote, "Twelfth for potatoes (I think we used to be second behind Idaho until a blight hit the Long Island crops about 35? years ago - Walter, when was that?). First, you forgot to mention that Suffolk County is the number 1 county in New York in agriculture receipts. Second, on potatoes: the blight -- developers and their sub-divisions -- began the destruction of what had been potato fields in the mid-1950s, as the new national highway system made it cheaper to ship potatoes from farther away areas into the NYC area putting downward pressure on locally grown potatoes and demand for suburban housing bid up the price of land away from potatoes. As a bulk commodity, potatoes had been too expensive to do that prior to the Interstate highway system. Additionally, people's taste changed, preferring the russet as grown in Idaho and Washington over the katahdin (named after Mount Katahdin in Maine) as grown along the East Coast. By the way: the potato and tomato have the same ending because they came from the same area: the Peruvian Andes, and the potato was worth more than all the gold that the conquistadors stole from South America. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html Jan G. Miller jgrellim@sbcglobal.net

Dear Ruth I'm sorry that I can not help you on your Wicks line. My Wicks first immigrant was later than that. I'm sorry Barbara --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 1/27/2004

Hi Barb, Do you have a Job Wicks from Long Island. Job was b. abt. 1762 and married Betsy and is buried in Rensselaer NY. He had three children , Sally Ann, Maria and Alexander all born in Rensselaer County. Any help will be appreciated. Ruth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

On 1/28/04 (2:31:42 PM MST), as part of a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Nancy Coleman (NLColeman@worldnet.att.net) wrote, "Twelfth for potatoes (I think we used to be second behind Idaho until a blight hit the Long Island crops about 35? years ago - Walter, when was that?). First, you forgot to mention that Suffolk County is the number 1 county in New York in agriculture receipts. Second, on potatoes: the blight -- developers and their sub-divisions -- began the destruction of what had been potato fields in the mid-1950s, as the new national highway system made it cheaper to ship potatoes from farther away areas into the NYC area putting downward pressure on locally grown potatoes and demand for suburban housing bid up the price of land away from potatoes. As a bulk commodity, potatoes had been too expensive to do that prior to the Interstate highway system. Additionally, people's taste changed, preferring the russet as grown in Idaho and Washington over the katahdin (named after Mount Katahdin in Maine) as grown along the East Coast. By the way: the potato and tomato have the same ending because they came from the same area: the Peruvian Andes, and the potato was worth more than all the gold that the conquistadors stole from South America. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan

Boy do I know I shouldn't do this but I have to tell you, this list has been very nice to me even when I sent those dumb, stupid virus warnings that turned out to be hoaxes. (Boy if you ever want a full inbox....!) I'm not exactly displaced and I'm not a "former" New Yorker because I still am one. I guess I'll always be a New Yorker no matter where I live, which is currently in Arizona and has been on Midwest farmland in the past!(talk about geographically challenged!)Most of my family is still on LI (boy do I wish they were interested in our heritage) and my folks were original settlers like many of yours. Just reading this list reminds me of home. And speaking of those Christmas trees, the one at Rockefeller Center in 1949 (or was it 1950) came off of my Grandmother's farm on Long Island. (Guess I'm a farmer from way back!)(Gee I think they even flocked it pink!UGH) I don't worry too much when people try to give us a bad rap. I just chalk it up to lack of knowledge about what makes a New Yorker a New Yorker. There just is no time for sniveling! I have received much help, some even vicariously, from this list from and I'd like all of you to pat yourselves on the back! It's roots we're searching and it won't always be fun for everyone. I wouldn't trade anyone of the friends I've made on these lists, even if some of you are New Yorkers!!!He He! Barb Fox researching Terry, Parshall, Tuthill, Titus, Haff, Blachley, Gardiner, Walters, Wicks and a bunch more on the NY side! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 1/27/2004

Nancy: AMEN! Oh....don't forget beef production....and no Mad Cow either!!!....just Hoity Toity Cows!! :>) Gary > Dear Margit: > Like Kathleen, I'm sorry you had a bad experience. It appears that one bad > apple has soured your opinion of everyone on the list, and especially > everyone who happens to be from New York. By the way, many, if not most of > the people on NY lists don't even live here but they are researching the > area. How do you know the person who insulted you lives here? Many of us > who do happen to live here have been on this, and other NY lists for years > trying to help hundreds if not thousands of people who researching in this > area but happen to be geographically challenged (not living near NY). > > No one responded to a lookup request you made. I don't recall the request > or what the locale was but perhaps there is no one on the list who can > conveniently do this for you. If it was for Montauk, wrong time of year to > ask! You might want to try Random Acts or a list that is specifically > designed for lookups. Or, repost. Many folks are coming back from the > holidays and winter vacations and may not have seen your previous request. > I don't think I did and Kathleen doesn't remember it either. > > Sometimes, not often, but sometimes, people don't know what they are asking. > They think it is a simple request and they can't understand why no one will > help them. I had a guy once get furious at me because I said I couldn't go > and do a free lookup for him, copy all of the files, mail it off, etc. from > the Suffolk County Surrogates Court. Furious. Until I told him that it was > 180 miles round trip! Did he offer to pay me mileage, gas, postage, > anything? No. Just complained about how doggone unfriendly we are in NY. > > So, although we are a tough lot here in NY, we are neither "haughty taughty" > nor deliberately rude. Far, far, from it. The only folks that I know who > think like that have either never been here for any amount of time or > haven't been here in years. It's a popular sport to say that NYers are > rude. We're used to it but it doesn't make it true. Usually it is the > other way around in my experience. You should see how some of the > out-of-towners treat our clerks at the repositories... Here in NY we call > it "hoity toity." :) > > We are to the point; perhaps not overly chatty. The pace of our city is > usually very fast. We need you to get to the point quickly if we are going > to help you or we move on. We walk fast, we talk fast. We are probably the > most tolerant people on the planet unless you block a street. Then you'd > better just expect to get honked or yelled at. > > Because of this tolerance you will rarely find a NYer making a broad brush > stereotypical statement about a whole group of people from somewhere else, > not Minnesota farmgirls certainly. Oh, maybe New Jersey. <G> By the way, > did you know that there are still family farms within 20-30 miles of NYC? > Yep. Did you know that there are 37,500 farms in NY State? Did you know > that NY ranked third in fresh sweet corn (vs grain corn for feed) and corn > silage production nationwide? Ninth in oat production? Number one in > cabbage production Number two (after Vermont) in maple syrup production. > Third, behind California and Washington State for grapes (make sure you > visit the vineyards on the east end of LI when you come, we make some > terrific wines). Eighth in the country for onion production? Twelfth for > potatoes (I think we used to be second behind Idaho until a blight hit the > Long Island crops about 35? years ago - Walter, when was that?). Second in > the nation for fresh snap beans. Second for apples AND FIRST FOR > PUMPKINS!!!! We rank 11th for Christmas Trees! Milk is NY States absolute > number one agricultural product and it accounts for over one-half of total > agricultural receipts for the state. Milk production ranks third in the > county. Yep. Lil' ol' NY. Moooooo. Those cheeseheads have nothin' on > us... ;) > Source: NY State Dept. of Agriculture, 2002 statistics. > > Hope you hang around. Best regards. Nancy. > Nancy Coleman > NLColeman@worldnet.att.net > Professional NYC & LI Research Services > www.GenealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html > ncroots@worldnet.att.net > Coordinator, Nassau County GenExchange > http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?state=ny&county=nassau > List Administrator, LI-Rooters > http://www.genexchange.org/MailListForm.cfm?cat=NY > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margit" <margit@eot.com> > To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:05 PM > Subject: Re: [NY-LONGISLAND] Montauk, Long Island, New York? > > > > Thanks Walter, I have appreciated your help over the last few months. When > I > > visit this year, at least I will know where to go on Long Island thanks to > > you. I am now going off this list, as it appears that you have no one on > it > > that helps with lookups for obits at all or other information. I also have > > tried to help people on the list and have gotten the haughty taughty > return, > > guess being a farm girl from Minnesota would not rate high with anyone in > > New York as knowing much to help anyone. At least here in Minnesota, we > know > > how to treat people with consideration and go out of our way every day to > > help others all over the world. > > Night, > > Margit > > _\\|//_ Vennlig hilsen > > ( o o ) Margit > > *-=-=-oOO-(_)-OOo-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* > > > > > > > On 1/25/04 (7:28:05 PM MST), Margit in Minnesota with 20+" of fresh snow > > > coming your way ... (margit@eot.com) asked, > > > > > > "Would there possibly be any records online for Montauk, Long Island, > New > > > York?" > > > > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > > List Guidelines: > http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html > > > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > * * * IS YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE UP TO DATE?? * * * > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html >

Thanks, Nancy. That's a nice response. Hey, I'M insulted to be considered hoity toity. I'm a displaced New Yorker. Everyone has his/her own research. If someone does have data at the ready, that's a special benefit, but it is not a given that someone is going to go do it for you......is it? If so, I've been missing a good thing all this time! g.skarka@att.net wrote: Nancy: AMEN! Oh....don't forget beef production....and no Mad Cow either!!!....just Hoity Toity Cows!! :>) Gary > Dear Margit: > Like Kathleen, I'm sorry you had a bad experience. It appears that one bad > apple has soured your opinion of everyone on the list, and especially > everyone who happens to be from New York. By the way, many, if not most of > the people on NY lists don't even live here but they are researching the > area. How do you know the person who insulted you lives here? Many of us > who do happen to live here have been on this, and other NY lists for years > trying to help hundreds if not thousands of people who researching in this > area but happen to be geographically challenged (not living near NY). > > No one responded to a lookup request you made. I don't recall the request > or what the locale was but perhaps there is no one on the list who can > conveniently do this for you. If it was for Montauk, wrong time of year to > ask! You might want to try Random Acts or a list that is specifically > designed for lookups. Or, repost. Many folks are coming back from the > holidays and winter vacations and may not have seen your previous request. > I don't think I did and Kathleen doesn't remember it either. > > Sometimes, not often, but sometimes, people don't know what they are asking. > They think it is a simple request and they can't understand why no one will > help them. I had a guy once get furious at me because I said I couldn't go > and do a free lookup for him, copy all of the files, mail it off, etc. from > the Suffolk County Surrogates Court. Furious. Until I told him that it was > 180 miles round trip! Did he offer to pay me mileage, gas, postage, > anything? No. Just complained about how doggone unfriendly we are in NY. > > So, although we are a tough lot here in NY, we are neither "haughty taughty" > nor deliberately rude. Far, far, from it. The only folks that I know who like that have either never been here for any amount of time or > haven't been here in years. It's a popular sport to say that NYers are > rude. We're used to it but it doesn't make it true. Usually it is the > other way around in my experience. You should see how some of the > out-of-towners treat our clerks at the repositories... Here in NY we call > it "hoity toity." :) > > We are to the point; perhaps not overly chatty. The pace of our city is > usually very fast. We need you to get to the point quickly if we are going > to help you or we move on. We walk fast, we talk fast. We are probably the > most tolerant people on the planet unless you block a street. Then you'd > better just expect to get honked or yelled at. > > Because of this tolerance you will rarely find a NYer making a broad brush > stereotypical statement about a whole group of people from somewhere else, > not Minnesota farmgirls certainly. Oh, maybe New Jersey. By the way, > did you know that there are still family farms within 20-30 miles of NYC? > Yep. Did you know that there are 37,500 farms in NY State? Did you know > that NY ranked third in fresh sweet corn (vs grain corn for feed) and corn > silage production nationwide? Ninth in oat production? Number one in > cabbage production Number two (after Vermont) in maple syrup production. > Third, behind California and Washington State for grapes (make sure you > visit the vineyards on the east end of LI when you come, we make some > terrific wines). Eighth in the country for onion production? Twelfth for > potatoes (I think we used to be second behind Idaho until a blight hit the > Long Island crops about 35? years ago - Walter, when was that?). Second in > the nation for fresh snap beans. Second for apples AND FIRST FOR > PUMPKINS!!!! We rank 11th for Christmas Trees! Milk is NY States absolute > number one agricultural product and it accounts for over one-half of total > agricultural receipts for the state. Milk production ranks third in the > county. Yep. Lil' ol' NY. Moooooo. Those cheeseheads have nothin' on > us... ;) > Source: NY State Dept. of Agriculture, 2002 statistics. > > Hope you hang around. Best regards. Nancy. > Nancy Coleman > NLColeman@worldnet.att.net > Professional NYC & LI Research Services > www.GenealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html > ncroots@worldnet.att.net > Coordinator, Nassau County GenExchange > http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?state=ny&county=nassau > List Administrator, LI-Rooters > http://www.genexchange.org/MailListForm.cfm?cat=NY > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margit" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:05 PM > Subject: Re: [NY-LONGISLAND] Montauk, Long Island, New York? > > > > Thanks Walter, I have appreciated your help over the last few months. When > I > > visit this year, at least I will know where to go on Long Island thanks to > > you. I am now going off this list, as it appears that you have no one on > it > > that helps with lookups for obits at all or other information. I also have > > tried to help people on the list and have gotten the haughty taughty > return, > > guess being a farm girl from Minnesota would not rate high with anyone in > > New York as knowing much to help anyone. At least here in Minnesota, we > know > > how to treat people with consideration and go out of our way every day to > > help others all over the world. > > Night, > > Margit > > _\\|//_ Vennlig hilsen > > ( o o ) Margit > > *-=-=-oOO-(_)-OOo-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* > > > > > > > On 1/25/04 (7:28:05 PM MST), Margit in Minnesota with 20+" of fresh snow > > > coming your way ... (margit@eot.com) asked, > > > > > > "Would there possibly be any records online for Montauk, Long Island, > New > > > York?" > > > > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > > List Guidelines: > http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html > > > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > * * * IS YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE UP TO DATE?? * * * > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== * * * IS YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE UP TO DATE?? * * * Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html Jan G. Miller jgrellim@sbcglobal.net

On 1/28/04 (6:42:22 AM MST), in a posting to both LI lists (li-rooters@listserv.genexchange.com & NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com), Honor Conklin (HCONKLIN@mail.nysed.gov) asked, "Does anyone have any information on Samuel Toe of Tew's Neck (later Lawrence Neck, now College Point), near Flushing, Queens. Where did he come from? Did he leave any descendants? Was he possibly related to the pirate Thomas "Tew" who claimed he was of the Rhode Island Tew's (the family doesn't acknowledge him)." Honor, you most probably have already gone down this route, but I'll ask anyway: Have you contacted the Queens Borough Public Library?: Queens Borough Public Library 89-11 Merrick Boulevard New York (Jamaica P.O.), NY 11432 Tel: 718/990-0700 Fax: 718/???-???? Contact information: http://www.queenslibrary.org/about/gen_info.asp Home page: http://www.queenslibrary.org/ I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan