On 2/7/04 (8:43:41 AM MST), in a semi-private eMail prompted by a posting to li-rooters@listserv.genexchange.com, Bruce Carman Pine (pinepp@earthlink.net) asked, "In the posting below (omitted) there is a reference to "Pine's Mill at the Creek" near Milburn Corners. Are this Pine family members known? I am researching the descendants of James Pine 1608-1685 and Susannah Armitage 1632-1676. (the original Hempstead Pine family)" Can anyone help Bruce Carman Pine on this question? (BTW, "Carman", too, is a Town of Hempstead name. There is Carman Avenue, running from the Hamlet of Salisbury (previously known as South Westbury) on a south/southeast track into the Hamlet of Massapequa, the Village of Massapequa Park and the Hamlet of East Massapequa. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan

On 2/7/04 (7:55:41 AM MST), in a posting to NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com, John D (john.dvorak@sbcglobal.net) asked, "anybody know if there is an obituary index that i can find my grandparents obituaries, between the 1970s and 1980s???? They were from Holtsville NY on Long Island" For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Sachem Public Library: Sachem Public Library 150 Holbrook Road Holbrook, NY 11741 Tel: 631/588-5024 Fax: 631/588-5064 eMail sachlib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://sachem.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ The pertinent geography: Holtsville is a hamlet (unincorporated area) partly in the northeastern part of the Town of Islip and partly in the southwestern part of the Town of Brookhaven, Suffolk County. There are 4 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 23 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Islip. There are 8 villages and 36 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Brookhaven. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Holtsville in the Towns of Islip and Brookhaven is bordered on the north by Hamlet of Centereach and the Hamlet of Farmingville in the Town of Brookhaven; on the east by the Hamlet of Farmingville and the Hamlet of Medford in the Town of Brookhaven; on the south by the Hamlet if North Patchogue in the Town of Brookhaven and the Hamlet of Holbrook in the Town of Islip; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Holbrook in the Towns of Islip and Brookhaven. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Holtsville has a different border than does the "Holtsville, NY 11742" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Holtsville mailing address and not be in Holtsville and a place can have other than a Holtsville mailing address and be in Holtsville). Those places that have a "Holtsville, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Holtsville are in the Hamlet of North Patchogue and the Hamlet of Medford; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Holtsville with a "Farmingville, NY 11738" and a "Holbrook, NY 11741" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Holtsville in the Towns of Islip and Brookhaven, Suffolk County on pages 14, 20 & 24 (map) and 21 & 25 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Hi Judie, I'm not that familiar with New York proceedures but it would probably be impossible for an Orphanage to find adoptive parents for children without some record in Orphan's Court giving them custody of the children. In Pa., where I'm more familiar, the children would be more likely sent to the Poor/Alms House if their parents weren't able to support them and probably the parents would be sent there as well. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judie Dunkle" <ancestorswanted@dcdi.net> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [NY-LONGISLAND] Orphans Court? > > > Does anyone know if all children turned placed in orphanges were > processed through the Orphans COurts. Was it possible for a child to > simply be placed there because the parent(s) could not care for the > child or did they have to go throught he court? Judie > > > > > > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > * * * IS YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE UP TO DATE?? * * * > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html > >

Oh my Gosh! I have ancestors (Trowel) who lived in Hempstead before Nassau was Queens County. They had land appearing in wills bequeathing land on Hicks Neck. I inquired some time back, but I guess Walter was not on the message list. These ancestors also had land on what (I think) is called Great Neck now--but I wonder if that was ever called Coe's Neck?I lived on LI from birth to the 50s and I didn't know how to connect those names to the names we know now. Sigh. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: [NY-LONGISLAND] Living in California by way of Baldwin, Long Island, NY > > On 2/6/04 (1:32:04 AM MST), in a posting to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Gloria > M. Bauer (bauerg@svpal.org) added some interesting information (I think so) on > the history of the place name to the geographic information that I had posted > on the Hamlet of Baldwin, with: > > I found in the booklet Hick's Neck, The Story of Baldwin, Long Island > published by The Baldwin National Bank and Trust Company 15 Dec 1939 the following: > Hick's Neck (spelled Hick's His Neck in the old town records) was the original > name of the strip of land between Parsonage and Milburn Creeks. It became > known early in its history as South Hempstead. Later BethelChapel gave its name > Bethel, to the area just south of the plains. The neighborhood around Pine's > Mill at the Creek was called Milburn Corners, or Milburn, while the other > trading center at the Grand Avenue junction was called Baldwin Corners. > "Baldwinsville" and "Baldwins" grew naturally from this, but toward the turn of the > twentieth century the Long Island Railroad changed the name from Baldwins to > Milburn. After much protest from the local residents, who revered the memory of > Francis Baldwin, Milburn once more became Baldwins, and then Baldwin. > > Thanks for the additional information. > > I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. > > Happy Tu B'Shvat, the Jewish Arbor Day celebrating the New Year for trees > (begins Friday, February 6 at sunset), > > Walter Greenspan > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html >

On 2/6/04 (2/6/04 3:20:25 PM MST), in a private eMail, Muffy (Unger BMCM@AOL.com) asked, "Thanks for you information. In an obit I was told that the location was Locust Valley Lond Island and the road was Factory Pond Road. Can this be brought up on your website you gave me?" Yes, Locust Valley is a hamlet in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County. Just the opposite of Brookville, Locust Valley is one of those many communities on Long Island where the majority of places with a "Locust Valley, NY" mailing address are not in Locust Valley. The pertinent geography: Locust Valley is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the northern part of the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County. There are 18 villages and 18 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly within the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Hamlet of Locust Valley in the Town of Oyster Bay is bordered on the north by the Village of Matinecock, the Village of Lattingtown and the Village of Mill Neck; on the east by the Village of Mill Neck; on the south by the Village of Matinecock and the City of Glen Cove; and, on the west by the City of Glen Cove. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Locust Valley has a different border than does the "Locust Valley, NY 11560" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Locust Valley mailing address and not be in Locust Valley). ..................................................acres ......Hamlet of Locust Valley............626 ......Locust Valley, NY 11560........4,673 Thus, about 5 out of every 6 places with a "Locust Valley, NY" mailing address are NOT in the Hamlet of Locust Valley. These places that have a "Locust Valley, NY" mailing address but are not in Locust Valley are in the Village of Lattingtown (incorporated in 1931), the Village of Mill Neck (incorporated in 1924) or the Village of Matinecock (incorporated in 1928). For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Locust Valley in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County on pages 5 & 11 (map) and 12 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Happy Tu B'Shvat, the Jewish Arbor Day celebrating the New Year for trees (begins Friday, February 6 at sunset), Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/6/04 (2:37:50 PM MST), in a private eMail, Muffy (Unger BMCM@AOL.com) asked, "I am most interested in finding the residence of the family name HECK. George Callendine Heck died in Brookville March 25, 1959. We would like to come back and see if his house is still in existence along with finding his grave plot. I was told he lived in Oyster Bay or Glen Cove and had two homes but his obit says he died in Brookville. He had a 100 foot boat that travel over to New York to his work. I know on the 1930 census he is living in Manhattqn with 5 servants and his next door neighbor is Barclay Ulman. Have you heard of these names? Any direction to take?" First, you may be able to see his house via the 'Net because Nassau County has recently re-assessed all the property in the county and has made this information available at a special web site: http://www.mynassauproperty.com If you know the address, you can find information about a particular property -- including a current picture -- at this web site. Second, to solve your confusion about location: Brookville is a village in the Town of Oyster Bay Brookville is one of those many communities on Long Island where none of the places in Brookville have a "Brookville, NY" mailing address. The pertinent geography: Brookville is a village (incorporated in 1931) in the central part of the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County, along the Oyster Bay/North Hempstead town line. There are 18 villages and 18 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly within the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Village of Brookville in the Town of Oyster Bay is bordered on the north by the Village of Old Brookville, the Village of Upper Brookville and the Village of Muttontown; on the east by the Village of Muttontown; on the south by the Hamlet of Jericho and the Village of Old Westbury; and, on the west by the Village of Old Westbury and the Village of East Hills in the Town of North Hempstead (the Oyster Bay/North Hempstead town line). And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Brookville has a different border than does the "Brookville, NY" postal zone, and in this case there is no "Brookville, NY" postal zone. ...........................................acres ......Village of Brookville.........2,687 ......Brookville, NY ?????.......none Places in the Village of Brookville have either a "Glen Head, NY 11545", "Greenvale, NY, 11548" or a "Jericho, NY 11753" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Brookville (incorporated on 1931) in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County on pages 5 & 11 (map) and 12 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Happy Tu B'Shvat, the Jewish Arbor Day celebrating the New Year for trees (begins Friday, February 6 at sunset), Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Does anyone know if all children turned placed in orphanges were processed through the Orphans COurts. Was it possible for a child to simply be placed there because the parent(s) could not care for the child or did they have to go throught he court? Judie > >

On 2/6/04 (11:23:13 AM MST), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Dick Platt (r.platt@snet.net) replied to a query from Ray T. Smith, MD (rtsmithmd@earthlink.net), and wrote: Ray, I think you may be referring to the article on Isaac Platt which was part of a series called Profiles of the Early Settlers of the Town of Huntington, Long Island, compiled by Purcell B. Robertson, 1976. I got a copy from the Huntington Historical Society, and will be happy to make one for you. Some of these articles were published in the Quarterly of the Huntington Historical Society, but this one, apparently, was not. They did publish the article on Isaac's brother Epenetus. You will probably want a copy of the latter as well, as it covers some of the events in more detail. Best wishes, Dick Platt ******************************************************************** Richard N. Platt, Jr. 132 Platt Lane Milford, CT 06460-2054 (203) 878-6094 r.platt@snet.net richard.platt.sm.55@aya.yale.edu (permanent alias) I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Happy Tu B'Shvat, the Jewish Arbor Day celebrating the New Year for trees (begins Friday, February 6 at sunset), Walter Greenspan

On 2/6/04 (1:32:04 AM MST), in a posting to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Gloria M. Bauer (bauerg@svpal.org) added some interesting information (I think so) on the history of the place name to the geographic information that I had posted on the Hamlet of Baldwin, with: I found in the booklet Hick's Neck, The Story of Baldwin, Long Island published by The Baldwin National Bank and Trust Company 15 Dec 1939 the following: Hick's Neck (spelled Hick's His Neck in the old town records) was the original name of the strip of land between Parsonage and Milburn Creeks. It became known early in its history as South Hempstead. Later BethelChapel gave its name Bethel, to the area just south of the plains. The neighborhood around Pine's Mill at the Creek was called Milburn Corners, or Milburn, while the other trading center at the Grand Avenue junction was called Baldwin Corners. "Baldwinsville" and "Baldwins" grew naturally from this, but toward the turn of the twentieth century the Long Island Railroad changed the name from Baldwins to Milburn. After much protest from the local residents, who revered the memory of Francis Baldwin, Milburn once more became Baldwins, and then Baldwin. Thanks for the additional information. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Happy Tu B'Shvat, the Jewish Arbor Day celebrating the New Year for trees (begins Friday, February 6 at sunset), Walter Greenspan

On 2/5/04 (4:13:14 PM MST), in a posting to NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com, Stefani Evans (SEvans50@aol.com) asked, "News has reached here of the wedding last week of Miss Vela C.[sic] Winn to Mr. Walter Hawkins, which event took place at Baldwin's, L.I., last week. The groom is a prominent and successful business man and is connected with the Western Electic[sic] County[sic] at Chicago ... Where/what is Baldwin's?" Baldwin is a hamlet (an unincorporated community) in the southern section of the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County. There are 36 hamlets and 22 villages (incorporated municipality) all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Hamlet of Baldwin Oceanside in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Village of Hempstead and the Hamlet of Uniondale; on the east by the Hamlet of Roosevelt and the Village of Freeport; on the south by the Hamlet of Baldwin Harbor; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Oceanside, the Village of Rockville Centre and the Hamlet of South Hempstead. Please note: In 1990, the area south of Atlantic Avenue was separated from the Hamlet of Baldwin and was formed into the Hamlet of Baldwin Harbor. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Baldwin has a different border than does the "Baldwin, NY 11510" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Baldwin mailing address and not be in Baldwin and a place can be in Baldwin and have other than a Baldwin mailing address). .....................................acres ...Hamlet of Baldwin........1,785 ...Baldwin, NY 11510......2,725 A bit more than one-third of the places with a "Baldwin, NY" mailing address are not in the Hamlet of Baldwin. These places that have a "Baldwin, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Baldwin are in the Hamlet of Oceanside, the Hamlet of Baldwin Harbor and the Hamlet of Roosevelt; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Baldwin that have an "Oceanside, NY 11572", a "Rockville Centre, NY 11870" or a "Roosevelt, NY 11575" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Baldwin in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Happy Tu B'Shvat, the Jewish Arbor Day celebrating the New Year for trees (begins Friday, February 6 at sunset), Walter Greenspan Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/3/04 (11:22:09 PM MST), in a posting to the Suffolk County Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Doreen (kem462@yahoo.com) asked, "Could someone be kind enough to do a lookup for me? Peter Healey of Mastic Beach died Feb. 1987. I know he had one daughter named Margarite." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Mastics-Moriches-Shirley Community Library: Mastics-Moriches-Shirley Community Library 407 William Floyd Parkway Shirley, NY 11967 Tel: 631/399-1511 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: ????? http://www.communitylibrary.org/ The pertinent geography: Mastic Beach is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the southeastern section of the Town of Brookhaven, Suffolk County. There are 8 villages (municipal corporations) and 36 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Brookhaven. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Mastic Beach in the Town of Brookhaven is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Mastic; on the east and south by the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Shirley. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Mastic Beach has a different border than does the "Mastic Beach, NY 11951" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Mastic Beach mailing address and not be in Mastic Beach and a place can have other than a Mastic Beach mailing address and be in Mastic Beach). Those places that have a "Mastic Beach, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Mastic Beach are in the Hamlet of Mastic; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Mastic Beach with a "Shirley, NY 11967" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier editions of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Mastic Beach in the Town of Brookhaven, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 24 (map) and 25 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Happy Tu B'Shvat, the Jewish Arbor Day celebrating the New Year for trees (begins Friday, February 6 at sunset), Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Ends Feb 8...Search Bayshore Islip, It's Item number: 2984419558. do you know when sale is over? i couldn't find anything on e-bay. LMlakewood@aol.com wrote: Surfing on E-bay I found a listing for a Bayshore Islip NY 1888 Maps with Homeowners names listed. I have no connection to this seller, just thought someone on the list may be interested. Sale is over soon-no bidder last I checked. Lilly Murphy

On 2/3/04 (4:54:23 PM MST), Ray T. Smith, MD (rtsmithmd@earthlink.net) asked, "Sometime ago I found a study of Isaac Platt and his two sons, Joseph and Jonah. I made one copy and was about to put the data in my genealogy when my PC crashed and I lost the page I had typed. It stated that Isaac was one of a group of people in Huntington who had gone to a meeting with the Governor or some similar official, was imprisoned, released and was then exempt from paying taxes.He owned a house on the town green which his sons inhereted and were allowed to continue as an inn. Can anyone provide me with that information ?" Ray, you might want to contact the Huntington Public Library and/or the the Huntington Historical Society: Huntington Public Library 338 Main Street Huntington, NY 11743 Tel: 631/427-5165 Fax: 631/???-????? eMail: huntlib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://www.suffolk.lib.ny.us/libraries/hunt/ The Huntington Historical Society 209 Main Street Huntington, NY 11743 Tel: 631/427-7045 Fax: 631/427-7056 eMail: ?????? http://www.huntingtonhistoricalsociety.org/ It is important to know that there are 3 "Huntingtons" (from smallest to largest, in order of acreage): 1. There is the Hamlet of Huntington; 2. There is the Huntington, NY 11743 postal zone and it includes the Hamlet of Huntington and parts of other surrounding villages and hamlets within its service area; and, 3. There is the Town of Huntington and it includes the Huntington, NY 11743 postal zone, as well as other postal zones, within its borders. The pertinent geography: Huntington is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the northern part of the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County. There are 4 villages and 15 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Huntington. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Huntington in the Town of Huntington is bordered on the north by Huntington Bay, the Hamlet of Halesite, the Village of Huntington Bay and the Hamlet of Centerport; on the east by the Hamlets of Centerport and Greenlawn; on the south by the Hamlet of Huntington Station; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Cold Spring Harbor and the Village of Lloyd Harbor. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Huntington has a different border than does the "Huntington, NY 11743" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Huntington mailing address and not be in Huntington and a place can have other than a Huntington mailing address and be in Huntington). Those places that have a "Huntington, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Huntington are in the Hamlet of West Hills, the Hamlet of Greenlawn and the Hamlet of Elwood; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Huntington with a "Huntington Station, NY 11746" and a "Greenlawn, NY 11740" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Huntington in the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 16 (map) and 17 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of place shave a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/3/04 (5:30:56 AM MST), in a posting to li-rooters@listserv.genexchange.com, David Roberts (droberts@olg.com) asked, "What do you know about vital records from the Town of Islip?" I think the best route would be to ask the Town Clerk of the Town of Islip: Town Clerk Town of Islip Islip Town Hall 655 Main Street Islip, NY 11751-3651 Tel: 631/224-5490 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: ????? http://www.???.???.??? Currently, there are 4 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 22 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Islip. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) These 26 communities are (if a village, year of incorporation): Bayport Bay Shore Baywood Bohemia Brentwood Brightwaters (1916) Central Islip East Islip Fire Island (part) Great River Hauppauge (part) Holbrook (part) Holtsville (part) Islandia (1985) Islip Islip Terrace North Bay Shore North Great River Oakdale Ocean Beach (1921) Ronkonkoma Saltaire (1917) Sayville West Bay Shore West Islip West Sayville part = indicates a village or hamlet that straddles town boundaries. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier editions of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Town of Islip and all the villages and hamlets within the Town of Islip, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 20 (map) and 21 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Happy Tu B'Shvat, the Jewish Arbor Day celebrating the New Year for trees (begins Friday, February 6 at sunset), Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Newsday began publishing in 1940 and continues to the present day. For information on newspapers that are microfilmed and where to find them, check the New York State Newspaper Project. You can find it online at www.nysl.nysed.gov/nysnp/index.html Carol Poulos

What publishing dates does the Newsday encompass? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Poulos" <maxoid@optonline.net> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 6:36 AM Subject: [NY-LONGISLAND] Newsday > Those inquiring about where Newsday can be found on microfilm may be interested in knowing that the Levittown Library has the complete run on microfilm. > > Carol Poulos > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html >

Those inquiring about where Newsday can be found on microfilm may be interested in knowing that the Levittown Library has the complete run on microfilm. Carol Poulos

On 2/1/04 (7:19:21 PM MST), in a posting to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Dave (semperfidave@juno.com) asked, "My roots start in Brooklyn pre civil war then move to what is now North Bellmore in about 1904. The LINDSTEDT family were in the house painting business for 3 generations. The family intermarried with many of the other early locals of the day. The SHORT, JOHNSON, WOOD, SCHWEGLER, JEREMIAH, HILL were related families. Sam SHORT, son of Thomas SHORT, was my great grandparents nephew. Sam served on the school board for almost 50 years and lived well into his 90s. One of the SHORT family owned a paint store in Bellmore. I have copies of several articles from the BELLMORE ADVOCATE. Is it still in operation? Question is: Are there other NYC, Brooklyn and Long Island newspapers or data bases (public records) that can be searched via the Internet without a "membership fee"?" First, for an existing local newspaper, you might try the Bellmore Herald: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.asp?brd=1601 Second, you may want to contact the North Bellmore Public Library and ask them your question: North Bellmore Public Library 1551 Newbridge Road North Bellmore, NY 11710 Tel: 516/785-6260 Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: ?????? http://www.nassaulibrary.org/nbellmr/ It might also be helpful to you to know that North Bellmore is one of those many communities on Long Island where none of the places in North Bellmore have a "North Bellmore, NY" mailing address. The pertinent geography: Previously known as Smithville South, North Bellmore is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the east-center section of the Town of Hempstead. There are 22 villages (municipal corporations) and 36 hamlets all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Hamlet of North Bellmore in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of East Meadow; on the east by the Hamlets of North Wantagh and Wantagh; on the south by the Hamlet of Bellmore; and, on the west by the Hamlet of North Merrick. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of North Bellmore has a different border than does the postal zone that services its area. In this case, there is no "North Bellmore, NY" postal zone. .................................................acres .....Hamlet of North Bellmore.........1,700 .....North Bellmore, NY ?????........none Depending where a place is located within the Hamlet of North Bellmore, that place would have either a "Bellmore, NY 11710", a "Wantagh, NY 11793" or a "Merrick, NY 11566" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of North Bellmore in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/1/04 (12:58:07 PM MST), in a posting to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Rach (HGRACE5366@aol.com) asked, "I am looking for information and proof about CALEB WRIGHT who was in Oyster Bay in the late 1600s. His daughter Penelope married David Reynolds." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact either/or the Oyster Bay Historical Society and the Oyster Bay-East Norwich Public Library: The Oyster Bay Historical Society P.O. Box 297 20 Summit Street Oyster Bay, NY 11771-0297 Tel: 516/922-5032 Fax: 516/922-6892 eMail: OBHistory@aol.com http://members.aol.com/OBHistory/ Oyster Bay-East Norwich Public Library 89 East Main Street Oyster Bay 11771 Tel: 516/922-1212 Fax: 516/922-6453 eMail: ??????? http://www.nassaulibrary.org/oysterbay/index.html Oyster Bay is one of those communities on Long Island where the majority of the places with an Oyster Bay mailing address are not in Oyster Bay, and it is important to know that there are 3 "Oyster Bays" (from smallest to largest, in order of acreage): 1. There is the Hamlet of Oyster Bay = 763 acres 2. There is the Oyster Bay, NY 11771 postal zone = 7,002 acres 3. There is the Town of Oyster Bay = 70,908 acres The pertinent current geography: Oyster Bay is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the northern most part of the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County. There are 18 villages (municipal corporations) and 18 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Oyster Bay in the Town of Oyster Bay is bordered on the north by Oyster Bay Harbor, on the east by the Village of Oyster Bay Cove, on the south by the Hamlet of East Norwich and on the west by the Village of Upper Brookville and the Village of Mill Neck. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Oyster Bay has a different border than does the "Oyster Bay, NY 11771" postal zone (i.e., a place can have an Oyster Bay mailing address and not be in Oyster Bay). .............................................acres .....Hamlet of Oyster Bay............763 .....Oyster Bay, NY 11771........7,002 .....Town of Oyster Bay..........70,908 Thus, you can readily see that 9 of every 10 places with an "Oyster Bay" mailing address are NOT in the Hamlet of Oyster Bay. [These places may be in the Village of Centre Island (incorporated in 1926), the Village of Cove Neck (incorporated in 1927), the Village of Oyster Bay Cove (incorporated in 1931), the Village of Laurel Hollow (incorporated in 1926), the Hamlet of East Norwich, the Village of Muttontown (incorporated in 1931), the Village of Upper Brookville (incorporated in 1932) and the Village of Mill Neck (incorporated in 1924).] For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Oyster Bay in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County on pages 5 & 11 (map) and 12 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/1/04 (11:34:29 AM MST), in a posting to both the NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com and NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com, SallyEllen R. Schilling (sally_schilling@earthlink.net) asked, "There was a post sometime last week with a link regarding Newspapers on Long Island… there are two that come to mind that weren’t on the list… Long Island Press and the Valley Stream Mail-Leader (I think that’s the name of newspaper)… I only mention these newspaper and know of them as my dad, uncle and great uncle worked for Newsday until their retirements in the late 1970’ s… Does anyone know if these papers are on microfilm anywhere? These could be a good source of obits…" For questions such as yours, you may want to check with Long Island Studies Institute and the Long Island Library Resources Council (LILRC): Long Island Studies Institute West Campus Library Hofstra University 619 Fulton Avenue Hempstead, NY 11549-4575 Tel: 516/463-6411 Fax 516/463-6441 eMail: lisi@hofstra.edu http://www.hofstra.edu/Libraries/LISI/index_LISI.cfm Long Island Library Resources Council Melville Library, Suite E5310 Stony Brook, NY 11794-3399 Tel: 631/632-6650 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: ????? http://www.lilrc.org/ The Long Island Library Resources Council (LILRC), one of nine New York State Reference and Research Library Resources System (3Rs), is a multi-type library membership organization that fosters and enhances resource sharing and other cooperative activities among diverse libraries in Nassau and Suffolk counties. An organization chartered and funded by the State, LILRC is also committed to working with library systems and associations in the region and throughout New York, and with the Division of Library Development of the New York State Education Department, to further its goals I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan