On 2/13/04 (3:05:30 AM MST), in a posting to the Suffolk County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, John Murphy (jmmurphy@washingtonnc.com) asked, "Looking to find a John White in Huntington Town on the 1860 census." Can anyone help John Murphy (jmmurphy@washingtonnc.com)? Walter Greenspan

On 2/12/04 (9:49:16 AM MST), in a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Lilly Murphy (LMlakewood@aol.com) posted, "Just wanted to let folks know that I contacted The Parish of St. Patrick in Bayshore to inquire about birth, marriage and death records for several family members in the 1880's and 1890's and received a reply about 2 weeks later with marriage, birth and baptism dates as well as sponsors and witnesses names. This was the ONLY Catholic church in the area at that time. The address to write to is: Mary Feeney Parish Receptionist The Parish of St. Patrick 9 North Clinton Avenue Bay Shore, NY 11706" Mazel tov* and thanks for sharing. *Mazel Tov (MAH-zl TAWV) Yiddish/Hebrew. Literally, good luck. This is the traditional way of expressing congratulations. "Mazel tov!" is the correct and traditional response upon hearing that a person has gotten engaged or married, has had a child, or has become a bar mitzvah. It can be used to congratulate someone for getting a new job, graduating from college, or any other happy event. Note that this term is not used in the way that the expression "good luck" is used in English; that is, it should not be used to wish someone luck in the future. Rather, it is an expression of pleasure at the good luck someone has already had. The pertinent geography: Bay Shore is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the southwestern section of the Town of Islip, Suffolk County. There are 4 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 23 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Islip. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Bay Shore in the Town of Islip is bordered on the north by Hamlets of Baywood and North Bay Shore; on the east by the Hamlet of Islip; on the south by the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Village of Brightwaters. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Bay Shore has a different border than does the "Bay Shore, NY 11706" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Bay Shore mailing address and not be in Bay Shore). Those places that have a "Bay Shore, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Bay Shore are in the Hamlet of North Bay Shore, the Hamlet of West Bay Shore, the Hamlet of Baywood, the Hamlet of Islip, the Village of Saltaire and in the Hamlet of Fire Island. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Bay Shore in the Town of Islip, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 20 (map) and 21 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Just wanted to let folks know that I contacted The Parish of St. Patrick in Bayshore to inquire about birth, marriage and death records for several family members in the 1880's and 1890's and received a reply about 2 weeks later with marriage, birth and baptism dates as well as sponsors and witnesses names. This was the ONLY Catholic church in the area at that time. The address to write to is: Mary Feeney Parish Receptionist The Parish of St. Patrick 9 North Clinton Avenue Bay Shore, NY 11706

On 2/10/04 (7:46:28 PM MST), in a posting to the Nassau County Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Ken Simpson (ksimpson@optonline.net) asked, "Looking for any information on the Cemetary on Oakfield Road (Ave?) in Wantagh. It had been part of the Zion Church that was once there and contains the resting place of Civil War Veterans and Slaves. Any information anyone could give on this would be gratefully appreciated." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Wantagh Public Library: Wantagh Public Library 3285 Park Avenue Wantagh, NY 11793 Tel: 516/221-1200 Fax: 516/826-9357 eMail: wantaghpl@yahoo.com http://www.nassaulibrary.org/wantagh/ The pertinent geography: Wantagh is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the southeast section of the Town of Hempstead. There are 22 villages (municipal corporations) and 36 hamlets all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Hamlet of Wantagh in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of North Wantagh; on the east by the Hamlet of Seaford; on the south by the Atlantic Ocean; and, on the west by the Hamlets of Bellmore and North Bellmore. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Wantagh has a different border than does the "Wantagh, NY 11793" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Wantagh mailing address and not be in Wantagh). ......................................acres ......Hamlet of Wantagh......2,534 ......Wantagh, NY 11793....3,782* * Area does not include off-shore islands. About 1 out of every 3 places with a "Wantagh, NY" mailing address are not in the Hamlet of Wantagh. (These places that have a "Wantagh, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Wantagh are in the Hamlets of Seaford, Bellmore, North Bellmore, North Wantagh and Levittown.) For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Wantagh in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

OOPS, Got so excited forgot to tell you where they are!! You will also find FLATLANDS Births On the Brooklyn Pages http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Birth/index.html ancy

Where is the website for this index? T. Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: <NancyL916@aol.com> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: [NY-LONGISLAND] Gravesend Birth index complete > The Gravesend Birth Index is now complete. > > A few important notes abt the index. > It is from the original ledger book of births. > These births do NOT always run in order of years!! > > If a woman gave birth in 1893 she sometimes added her previous children, even > those born in say 1887. > > The spelling of names varies, so be very open minded when u search for an > ancestor. > I have seen QUIN spelled QUINN > GUINAN aka GUNAN or QUINAN or GENIN > > It would be best to take a page at a time and scoll down the page. There are > 100 names to each page. A total of 1575 names. > > In this index, Gravesend includes the areas of: > Gravesend > Gravesend Beach > Gravesend Neck > Gravesend Village > Coney Island > Unionville > Sheeps Head Bay > Greenfield > South Greenfield > Bensonhurst > South Bensonhurst > Woodlawn > > Thanks to all those who helped transcibe the index so I could put it into > easy table form. > Enjoy and good luck!! > > nancy > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html >

The Gravesend Birth Index is now complete. A few important notes abt the index. It is from the original ledger book of births. These births do NOT always run in order of years!! If a woman gave birth in 1893 she sometimes added her previous children, even those born in say 1887. The spelling of names varies, so be very open minded when u search for an ancestor. I have seen QUIN spelled QUINN GUINAN aka GUNAN or QUINAN or GENIN It would be best to take a page at a time and scoll down the page. There are 100 names to each page. A total of 1575 names. In this index, Gravesend includes the areas of: Gravesend Gravesend Beach Gravesend Neck Gravesend Village Coney Island Unionville Sheeps Head Bay Greenfield South Greenfield Bensonhurst South Bensonhurst Woodlawn Thanks to all those who helped transcibe the index so I could put it into easy table form. Enjoy and good luck!! nancy

On 2/10/04 (10:33:21 AM MST), in a posting to NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com, ????? (RHARTLE1@PCLNET.NET) asked, "My Gfather worked for the LIRR between 1870 and the time he enlisted in the Army in 1877. Where would I send a request for his work records? His name was Robert Rinz and he was born in Queens County New York, Nov 30, 1856. I have his military records from 1877 until he passed away 1n 1910." The contact information for the LIRR: eMail form: http://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/mta_nyc.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/lirr/ I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan

On 2/10/04 (9:18:03 AM MST), in a posting to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, MJ Cooke (mehawkshaw@juno.com) asked, "Happy to read that Floral Park is coming up so frequently. Family came to Mineola, LI in 1909 and lived on Cleveland Ave, next door to a Hicks family. I would like to know if there are any Hicks family members around; Listed on 1910 census. Also want to know if, on grandmother's death certif. location of death states, Floral Park, is this the same as Mineola?" Floral Park and Mineola are separate villages in the Town of North Hempstead (also, parts of the Village of Floral Park are in the Town of Hempstead). "Mineola" is also the postal location of the Nassau County Seat. The Nassau County Seat is actually in the Village of Garden City in the Town of Hempstead, but it's in the part of the Village of Garden City that is in the service area of the "Mineola, NY " postal zone. Turning to the "Hicks" name: There is the Hicks Nursery on the Jericho Turnpike in the Village of Westbury in the Town of North Hempstead: http://www.hicksnurseries.com/ I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan

On 2/10/04 (7:21:16 AM MST), in a posting to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, D (dayne@snet.net) asked, "I am trying to locate information about a Raphael OLAES born 1895, died April 1981. According to the SSDI, Last Residence was Franklin Square." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Franklin Square Public Library (they may have or can suggest in which newspaper to check for obits, etc.): Franklin Square Public Library 19 Lincoln Road Franklin Square, NY 11010 Tel: 516/488-3444 Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: esplref@lilrc.org http://www.nassaulibrary.org/fsquare/fsplfrme.htm The pertinent geography: Franklin Square is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the northwestern section of the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County. There are 36 hamlets and 22 villages (incorporated municipalities) all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Hamlet of Franklin Square in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Villages of Stewart Manor and Garden City and the Hamlet of South Garden City; on the east by the Hamlets of South Garden City and West Hempstead; on the south by the Village of Malverne and the Hamlet of North Valley Stream; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Elmont. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Franklin Square has a different border than does the "Franklin Square, NY 11010" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Franklin Square mailing address and not be in Franklin Square and a place can be in Franklin Square and have other than a Franklin Square mailing address). ..................................................acres ......Hamlet of Franklin Square.......1,837 ......Franklin Square, NY 11010.....1,555 As you can see, about 1 out of every 7 places in the Hamlet of Franklin Square have other than a Franklin Square mailing address. (These places may have a Garden City, NY 11530 or an Elmont, NY 11003 mailing address.) For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Franklin Square in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Are you talking about http://www.longislandgenealogy.com web site address? Or a mail list address? If it's a mail list address they are all available thru Rootsweb. Go to Rootsweb, then Mail Lists and choose the locality that you are interestted or County. Carolee Yesteyears@aol.com wrote: >I want to thank Walter and the other people that gave me sites and phone >numbers of where to get information...especially, Eileen , That offered to take >pictures of head stones. >Wow, I wrote my posting around 7PM and had replys within an hour. >I am going to enjoy this list. Could you please send me the NY-LI-Genealogy >list address ?. I would like to join list. I never imagined that there >were LI lists. > >Pat RYF >LI, NY > > >==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== >IMPORTANT - Please DO NOT post warnings about viruses directly to the list. Many are Hoaxes and create problems for list members. > >Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com >List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html > > > >

I want to thank Walter and the other people that gave me sites and phone numbers of where to get information...especially, Eileen , That offered to take pictures of head stones. Wow, I wrote my posting around 7PM and had replys within an hour. I am going to enjoy this list. Could you please send me the NY-LI-Genealogy list address ?. I would like to join list. I never imagined that there were LI lists. Pat RYF LI, NY

On 2/9/04 (10:59:59 AM MST), in a posting to the Suffolk County board that was 'gatewayed' to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Barbara Tomko (geniekid39@yahoo.com) aked, "I am looking for Sam E Harris, his wife Emma G Carothers and their daughter, Nellie, born about 1862. She married Henry K Wood Feb. 11,1863 in Southold.: For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Southold Free Library: Southold Free Library 53705 Main Road Southold, NY 11971 Tel: 631/765-2077 Fax: 631/765-2197 eMail: sohdlib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://sohd.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ The pertinent geography: Southold is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the center of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County. There are 1 village and 10 hamlets in the Town of Southold. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Southold in the Town of Southold is bordered on the north by Long Island Sound; on the east by the Hamlet of Greenport West; on the south by the Little Peconic Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Peconic. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Southold has a different border than does the "Southold, NY 11971" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Southold mailing address and not be in Southold and a place can have other than a Southold mailing address and be in Southold). Those places that have a "Southold, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Southold are in the Hamlet of West Greenport; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Southold with a "Peconic, NY 11936" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Southold in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 30 (map) and 31 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Jane Devlin (janedevlin@ameritech.net) of Lake Orion, MI has asked me to let subscribers to both LI lists know that she has files on many Nassau and Suffolk Cemeteries online at her site, and has just added "Riverhead, Suffolk Co., Long Island NY, Cemetery, Part 1 & Part 2" to her site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/newyork/li_index.htm I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan

On 2/6/04 (6:55:51 PM MST), in a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Jan (jgrellim@sbcglobal.net) asked, "I have ancestors (Trowel) who lived in Hempstead before Nassau was Queens County. They had land appearing in wills bequeathing land on Hicks Neck. I inquired some time back, but I guess Walter was not on the message list. These ancestors also had land on what (I think) is called Great Neck now--but I wonder if that was ever called Coe's Neck?I lived on LI from birth to the 50s and I didn't know how to connect those names to the names we know now. Sigh." You can stop sighing and breathe again. I queried my source at the Long Island Regional Planning Board -- who, by the way, is a descendent of Robert Coe, one of the founders of the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County and the Town of Jamaica, Queens County -- for his help. Here's his reply: I thought I drew a blank on this one but I do have a lead for you. According to the current Hagstrom Milburn Ave. turns into Coes Neck Rd. south of the Southern State Pkwy. in Baldwin. There is a Coes Neck Park on this road. Further south it is called Woodside Ave. which runs into Grand Ave. Further south Grand Ave. forks into Grand Ave. and Milburn Ave. both of which extend down into the neck of land known as Baldwin Harbor. This may be grasping at straws but it's the only lead I have. In 1660 the area was called Hick's Neck, in honor of English settler John Hicks. Later it was called Milburn. The following was on the web at the Carmen Bloodlines website: The origins of the family lines in Baldwin (know by many names over the years, starting as Bethel, then Hicks Neck, part was Coes Neck, Baldwins, Milburn ... ) which is today still part of the Township (sic) of Hempstead, can be traced through land as it moves through the family starting with the second generation where John2 and his brothers can be seen holding lands in the South of Hempstead and "the South Woods" which is a little farther north. Following is another reference: On 3 Apr 1697, Robert Beedel, Sener, planter, conveyed to his son Robert 1/4 of the meadow on Coes Neck, bounded, westerly by Hicks Neck Creek, northerly by Thomas Ellison's land, and easterly by land of John Smith, Rock. (Source: www.longislandgenealogy.com/bedell/surnames.htm) I can add to what my source at the Long Island Regional Planning Board has written: Baldwin Harbor is one of those many communities on Long Island where none of the places in Baldwin Harbor have a "Baldwin Harbor, NY" mailing address. Additionally, Baldwin Harbor is the newest hamlet in the Town of Hempstead, when, in 1990, the area south of Atlantic Avenue was separated from the Hamlet of Baldwin and was formed into the Hamlet of Baldwin Harbor. The pertinent geography: Originally called Coe's Neck, Baldwin Harbor is a hamlet (an unincorporated community) in the southern section of the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County. There are 36 hamlets and 22 villages (incorporated municipality) all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Hamlet of Baldwin Harbor in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Baldwin and the village of Freeport; on the east by the Village of Freeport; on the south by the Hempstead Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Oceanside. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Baldwin Harbor has a different border than does the postal zone that services its area. In this case, there is no "Baldwin Harbor, NY" postal zone. ...............................................acres ...Hamlet of Baldwin....................895 ...Baldwin Harbor, NY ?????.......none Most places within the Hamlet of Baldwin Harbor are in the "Baldwin, NY 11510" postal zone; a few places are in the "Freeport, NY 11520" postal zone. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Baldwin Harbor in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/8/04 (10:35:49 PM MST), in a posting to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Colette Grower (colette@mtaonline.net) asked, "Can someone tell me where Floral Park is. I got my gr uncle SS application in September 1937 he was in Floral Park NY. He was living at 4 Hill St. Floral Park. he was working for Phillip Ehrhart at 413 Tulip Ave. The application is dated Sept. 9, 1937. His SS 132 65 1099. I am trying to track down what happened to this family. My father lost contact with the family. My gr uncle's name was Frederick Hook. He was born July 11, 1876. He was 61 when he completed the application. He might have been married and stayed in the area. The purpose of my search is genealogy but I also want to fill a hole in our lives." Floral Park is one of those communities on Long Island where many of the places with a Floral Park mailing address are not in Floral Park. The pertinent geography: Floral Park is a village (incorporated in 1908) partly in the southwestern part of the Town of North Hempstead and partly in the northwestern part of the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County. There are 30 villages (municipal corporations) and 17 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of North Hempstead and there are 22 villages and 36 hamlets all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Village of Floral Park in the Towns of North Hempstead and Hempstead is bordered on the north by New York City (Queens County) and the Hamlet of North New Hyde Park in the Town of North Hempstead; on the east by the Village of New Hyde Park in the Towns of North Hempstead and Hempstead and the Village of Stewart Manor in the Town of Hempstead; on the south by the Hamlet of Elmont and the Village of South Floral Park in the Town of Hempstead; and, on the west by the Village of Bellerose in the Town of Hempstead. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Floral Park has a different border than does the "Floral Park, NY 11001" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Floral Park mailing address and not be in Floral Park). ...........................................acres .....Village of Floral Park..........903* .....Floral Park, NY 11001.....1,285** * 797 acres in Town of Hempstead; 106 acres in Town of North Hempstead. ** 1,130 acres in Town of Hempstead; 155 acres in Town of North Hempstead. Thus, you can readily see that 3 of every 10 places with a "Floral Park" mailing address are NOT in the Village of Floral Park. (The places may be in the Village of South Floral Park, the Village of Bellerose, the Hamlet of Bellerose Terrace or the Hamlet of North New Hyde Park.) For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Floral Park (incorporated in 1908) partly in the Town of North Hempstead and partly in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5, 6 & 8 (map) and 7 & 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/8/04 (4:48:59 PM MST), in a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Pat RYF (Yesteyears@aol.com) asked, "I am new to list. My Grandfather, Ludwig (Louie ) RYF,born !878 in Bern, Switzerland came to America in 1889 with his parents Kaspar and Marie Pfister RYF and 8 other children. We think they went to Foster Meadows to Kaspar's married sister's farm. She was Elisabeth RYF GEISER, wife of Johann Geiser. The GEISERS came from Switzerland around 1868. Within a few years after arriving there, The father Kaspar died in 1895, the son Fred drowned in 1893 and son, Frank died 1892, in accident falling off train he worked on. They are burried at the Presbyterian Church on Elmont Rd. in an unmarked grave in the Geiser plot. I find it impossible to reach someone at the church, to see where they are burried and hopefully put a stone there. Phone calls to no avail. I am hoping to find someone that might remember them or the Geisers. They were lifelong residents of LI. They even helped organize the FranklinSq /Munson Fire Department." Once called Foster's Meadow, Elmont is Belmont (Belmont Race Track) without the "B". For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Elmont Public Library: Elmont Public Library 1735 Hempstead Turnpike Elmont, NY 11003-1896 Tel: 516/354-5280 Fax: 516/354-3276 eMail: jschoen@epl.lib.ny.us http://www.nassaulibrary.org/elmont/ The pertinent geography: Elmont is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the northwestern part of the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County, along the Nassau/Queens County line. There are 36 hamlets and 22 villages (incorporated municipalities) all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Hamlet of Elmont in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Bellerose Terrace, the Village of Floral Park, the Village of South Floral Park and the Village of Stewart Manor; on the east by the Hamlet of Franklin Square; on the south by the Hamlet of North Valley Stream; and, on the west by New York City (the Nassau/Queens County line). And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Elmont has a different border than does the "Elmont, NY 11003" postal zone (i.e., a place can have an Elmont mailing address and not be in Elmont and a place can be in Elmont and have other than an Elmont mailing address). ........................................acres ......Hamlet of Elmont.........2,357 ......Elmont, NY 11003........2,791 Thus, a bit more than about 1 in 7 places that have an Elmont mailing address are not in the Hamlet of Elmont (these places are in the Hamlet of Franklin Square). At the same time, there are places in Elmont with other than an Elmont, NY mailing address (these places have a Valley Stream, NY mailing address). For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Elmont in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

I am new to list. My Grandfather, Ludwig (Louie ) RYF,born !878 in Bern, Switzerland came to America in 1889 with his parents Kaspar and Marie Pfister RYF and 8 other children. We think they went to Foster Meadows to Kaspar's married sister's farm. She was Elisabeth RYF GEISER, wife of Johann Geiser. The GEISERS came from Switzerland around 1868. Within a few years after arriving there, The father Kaspar died in 1895, the son Fred drowned in 1893 and son, Frank died 1892, in accident falling off train he worked on. They are burried at the Presbyterian Church on Elmont Rd. in an unmarked grave in the Geiser plot. I find it impossible to reach someone at the church, to see where they are burried and hopefully put a stone there. Phone calls to no avail. I am hoping to find someone that might remember them or the Geisers. They were lifelong residents of LI. They even helped organize the FranklinSq /Munson Fire Department. Thank you. Pat RYF Long Island, New York

On 2/7/04 (11:12:12 AM MST), in a posting to NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com, NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com and NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com, Linda (Grstmll@aol.com) asked, "Does anyone have any information on the Cox family from the Brooklyn, NYC or Long Island area? Circa 1700's- 1850. In particular I am looking for information on a Marietta Cox, who may have married a Henry Watts circa 1820. Appreciate any information, I know that some members of the family were living in the Rockville Centre, Lynbrook area at least up until the 1950's." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Rockville Centre Public Library, the Lynbrook Public Library and the Lynbrook Historical & Preservation Society: Rockville Centre Public Library 221 North Village Avenue Rockville Centre, NY 11570 Tel: 516/766-6257 Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: rvc@nassaulibrary.org http://www.nassaulibrary.org/rvc/ Lynbrook Public Library 56 Eldert Street Lynbrook, NY 11563 Tel: 516/599-8630 Fax: 516/596-1312 eMail: lynbrook2@nassaulibrary.org http://www.nassaulibrary.org/lynbrook/ The Lynbrook Historical & Preservation Society 28 Hart Street Lynbrook, NY 11563-1711 Tel: 516/???-???? Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: lynhistory@aol.com http://members.aol.com/lynhistory/lhps/lynindex.htm The pertinent geography for Rockville Centre: Rockville Centre is a village (incorporated in 1893) in the center of the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County. There are 22 villages and 36 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Village of Rockville Centre in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Hamlets of Lakeview and South Hempstead; on the east by the Hamlets of South Hempstead and Baldwin; on the south by the Hamlet of Oceanside; and, on the west by the Villages of East Rockaway and Lynbrook and the Hamlet of Lakeview. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Rockville Centre has a different border than does the "Rockville Centre, NY 11570" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Rockville Centre mailing address and not be in Rockville Centre). ................................................acres ...Village of Rockville Centre........2,196 ...Rockville Centre, NY 11570......2,529 Thus, about one of every 7 places that have a Rockville Centre mailing address are not in the Village of Rockville Centre. (Most of these places that have a Rockville Centre mailing address but are not in the Village of Rockville Centre are in the Village of Lynbrook.) The pertinent geography for Lynbrook: Lynbrook -- or Brooklyn spelled inside-out -- is a village (incorporated in 1911) in the central part of the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County. There are 22 villages and 36 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Village of Lynbrook is bordered on the north by the Village of Malverne and the Hamlet of North Lynbrook; on the east by the Hamlet of Lakeview and the Village of Rockville Centre; on the south by the Village of East Rockaway and the Hamlet of Hewlett; and, on the west by the Village of Valley Stream. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Lynbrook has a different border than does the "Lynbrook, NY 11563" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Lynbrook mailing address and not be in Lynbrook and a place can be in Lynbrook and have other than a Lynbrook mailing address). .....................................acres ...Village of Lynbrook.......1,290 ...Lynbrook, NY 11563.....1,549 Thus, about one of every 7 places that have a Lynbrook mailing address are not in the Village of Lynbrook. (Most of these places that have a Lynbrook mailing address but are not in the Village of Lynbrook are in the Hamlet of North Lynbrook and the Hamlet of Hewlett. Meanwhile there are places in the Village of Lynbrook that have a Rockville Centre mailing address.) For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Rockville Centre (incorporated in 1893) in the town of Hempstead and the Village of Lynbrook (incorporated in 1911) in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/7/04 (9:19:49 AM MST), in a posting to NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com, Stefani Evans (SEvans50@aol.com) asked, "Am I correct in thinking I would apply to the Clerk of the Town of Hempstead (not to the Clerk of Nassau County) for the marriage license/return of W. Walter Hawkins (son of Judge William Hawkins) and Vela Clifford Winn 30 April 1902 at the First Methodist Church, Baldwin?" Contacting the Town Clerk of the Town of Hempstead would be my first choice, too: Office of the Town Clerk Town of Hempstead Hempstead Town Hall One Washington Street Hempstead, NY 11550 Tel: 516/489-5000, X3046 Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: ????? http://www.townofhempstead.org./content/tc/menu_tc.html I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan