On 2/20/04 (11:12:22 AM MST), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Susan (csds@lsol.net) asked, "A relative was married in Sayville in the 1970's. I would like to find her wedding announcement and wonder if anyone on the list knows which newspaper I would request from my library? thank you!" For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Sayville Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Sayville Library 11 Collins Avenue Sayville, NY 11782 Tel: 631/589-4440 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: sayvlib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://sayville.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ Sayville is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the southeast part of the Town of Islip, in the south-central part of Suffolk County. There are 4 villages and 23 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Islip. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Sayville in the Town of Islip is bordered on the north by the Hamlets of Bohemia and Holbrook; on the east by the Hamlet of Bayport; on the south by the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlets of West Sayville, Oakdale and Bohemia. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Sayville has a different border than does the "Sayville, NY 11782" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Sayville mailing address and not be in Sayville). Those places that have a "Sayville, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Sayville are in the Hamlet of West Sayville. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Sayville in the Town of Islip on pages 14 & 20 (map) and 21 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Hello Ned! Besides the later undated reference to widow Abigail Fancy being a tenant of Tarman's Neck, I noticed that in William Fancy Jr.'s 1682 mortgage to John Inians and Andrew Gibb, that along with his loom, he is also mortgaging "all my pine tackling knotts and tarr together with all the preveleges apurtenances at the south in possession of John Egelston tar burner..." The link to the map you sent was very helpful! This is the same neck of land I more or less figured Tarman's Neck must be. To confuse matters even more, the Brookhaven Town Historian had sent an old map, where a neck of land is labeled Fancie's Neck. She said later it was called Francis Neck. She felt that "Francis" evolved from "Fancies". As far as I can tell from this map, Fancies Neck and Tarman's Neck seem to be the same neck of land. It figures that Tarman's Neck appears to be in no-man's land :) I'd be very interested if anyone has the answer to Walter's question - in which of these 3 communities (the Hamlet of Brookhaven and the Village of Bellport as well as the Hamlet of North Bellport) was the land that was previously known as "Tarman's Neck"? Could "Tarman's Neck" straddle any two or even all 3 community borders? Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Smith" <ehlsmith@worldnet.att.net> To: <Soyamaven@aol.com>; <NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com>; <li-rooters@listserv.genexchange.com>; <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <aliwallner@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Tarman's Neck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> > ................ > > > > Ned, according to my maps, the Hamlet of Brookhaven and the Village of > > Bellport as well as the Hamlet of North Bellport have a common border, > with no other > > community between the Hamlet of Brookhaven and the Village of Bellport or > > between the Hamlet of Brookhaven and the Hamlet of North Bellport. The > border > > between the Hamlet of Brookhaven and the Hamlet of North Bellport is muc h > longer > > than is the border between the Hamlet of Brookhaven and the Village of > > Bellport. > > > > So, my question: in which of these 3 communities was the land that was > > previously known as "Tarman's Neck"? Could "Tarman's Neck" straddle any > two or > > even all 3 community borders? > > Hi Walter, > > I'm afraid I cannot answer precisely without more research. I've located a > couple landmarks which help place it generally, but will have to find more > detailed maps with all the geological boundaries shown before we can > determine the exact placement. It could well straddle two or all 3 > communities. > > Regards, > Ned > >

On 2/20/04 (8:36:35 AM MST), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Ned Smith (ehlsmith@worldnet.att.net) in a reply to a posting, "Where was Tar-men's/Tarmans Neck or "Wawcoruck" in Brookhaven????, by Alison (aliwallner@comcast.net), wrote, "You can see where Beaver Dam Creek (River) and the Methodist (M.E.) Church are on an 1873 map at http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Map/Brkhaven3.1.html from the Brooklyn Genealogy website's LI Map collection. When the map is finished loading scroll down to the lower right corner and you can see them in the area between the block letters saying "Bellport P.O." and "Brookhaven P.O." You are correct, the area is definitely that between modern Bellport and the hamlet of Brookhaven (formerly Fireplace)." Ned, according to my maps, the Hamlet of Brookhaven and the Village of Bellport as well as the Hamlet of North Bellport have a common border, with no other community between the Hamlet of Brookhaven and the Village of Bellport or between the Hamlet of Brookhaven and the Hamlet of North Bellport. The border between the Hamlet of Brookhaven and the Hamlet of North Bellport is much longer than is the border between the Hamlet of Brookhaven and the Village of Bellport. So, my question: in which of these 3 communities was the land that was previously known as "Tarman's Neck"? Could "Tarman's Neck" straddle any two or even all 3 community borders? Regards, Walter Greenspan

On 2/20/04 (7:10:47 AM MST), in a posting to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Valerie (rbuko1630@yahoo.com) asked, "My Dad used to deliver mail ( about 1955) to a Mammy Shaw who lived on Ocean Avenue near Allen Street in Lynbrook. Dad said she was about 100 yrs old then. Does anyone have any knowledge of her. She might haave been a former slave, the dates work out if she was 100 yrs old." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Lynbrook Public (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information) and/or the Lynbrook Historical & Preservation Society: Lynbrook Public Library 56 Eldert Street Lynbrook, NY 11563 Tel: 516/599-8630 Fax: 516/596-1312 eMail: lynbrook2@nassaulibrary.org http://www.nassaulibrary.org/lynbrook/ The Lynbrook Historical & Preservation Society 28 Hart Street Lynbrook, NY 11563-1711 Tel: 516/???-???? Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: lynhistory@aol.com http://members.aol.com/lynhistory/lhps/lynindex.htm The pertinent geography: Lynbrook -- or Brooklyn spelled inside-out -- is a village (incorporated in 1911) in the central part of the Town of Hempstead, in the southwestern part of Nassau County. There are 22 villages and 36 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Village of Lynbrook is bordered on the north by the Village of Malverne and the Hamlet of North Lynbrook; on the east by the Hamlet of Lakeview and the Village of Rockville Centre; on the south by the Village of East Rockaway and the Hamlet of Hewlett; and, on the west by the Village of Valley Stream. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Lynbrook has a different border than does the "Lynbrook, NY 11563" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Lynbrook mailing address and not be in Lynbrook and a place can be in Lynbrook and have other than a Lynbrook mailing address). .....................................acres ...Village of Lynbrook.......1,290 ...Lynbrook, NY 11563.....1,549 Thus, about one of every 7 places that have a Lynbrook mailing address are not in the Village of Lynbrook. (Most of these places that have a Lynbrook mailing address but are not in the Village of Lynbrook are in the Hamlet of North Lynbrook and the Hamlet of Hewlett. Meanwhile there are places in the Village of Lynbrook that have a Rockville Centre mailing address.) For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Lynbrook (incorporated in 1911) in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/20/04 (7:05:28 AM MST), in a posting to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Valerie (rbuko1630@yahoo.com) posted, "I have the book for 2 weeks, does anyone want a look up. mostly Hendrickson names, mostly LI, some out of state and other old Long Island names.from 1943 and 1950 gen notes very good, found a Henry Mott who might be my gr gr grt grandpa but his wife's name is not frances. some granger and shaw names." Please eMail Valerie (rbuko1630@yahoo.com) if you would like a look-up. Thanks to Valerie for volunteering to do these look-ups. Walter Greenspan

On 2/19/04 (7:20:09 PM MST), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Andrew Anderson (camperandy16@yahoo.com) asked, "Researching Herman & Freida BOPP. They lived on the Sunrise Highway & Jackson Street in Lindenhurst. The time period would have been 1930 to 1945. Any help would be greatly appreciated." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Lindenhurst Memorial Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Lindenhurst Memorial Library 1 Lee Avenue Lindenhurst, NY 11757-5399 Tel: 631/957-7755 Fax: 631/957-7114 eMail: lindlib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://lml.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ The pertinent geography: Lindenhurst is a village (incorporated in 1923) in the southern part of the Town of Babylon, Suffolk County. There are 3 villages and 12 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Babylon. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Lindenhurst in the Town of Babylon is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of North Lindenhurst; on the east by the Hamlet of West Babylon; on the south by the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Copiague and the Hamlet of North Amityville. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Village of Lindenhurst has a different border than does the "Lindenhurst, NY 11757" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Lindenhurst mailing address and not be in Lindenhurst and a place can have other than a Lindenhurst mailing address and be in Lindenhurst). Those places that have a "Lindenhurst, NY" mailing address that are not in the Village of Lindenhurst are in the Hamlet of North Lindenhurst; and, at the same time, there are places in the Village of Lindenhurst with a "West Babylon, NY 11704" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Lindenhurst (incorporated in 1923) in the Town of Babylon, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 18 (map) and 19 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/19/04 (5:20:28 PM MST), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Karen Thaler (mymei44@hotmail.com) asked, "I am looking for information about the White Cannon Hotel in East Rockaway, NY. I believe my g-grandfather, Charles Wright and his wife Sarah Carman might have owned it in 1870. Any information about the Hotel or the Wright family appreciate." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the East Rockaway Public Library: East Rockaway Public Library 477 Atlantic Avenue East Rockaway, NY 11518 Tel: 516/599-1664 Fax: 516/596-0154 eMail: eastrockpl@yahoo.com http://www.nassaulibrary.org/eastrock/ The pertinent geography: The Village of East Rockaway (incorporated in 1910) is in the southern part of the Town of Hempstead, in the southwestern part of Nassau County. There are 36 hamlets (unincorporated areas) and 22 villages all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of East Rockaway in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Village of Lynbrook; on the east by the Village of Rockville Centre and the Hamlet of Oceanside; on the south by the Hamlet of Bay Park and the Village of Hewlett Harbor; and, on the west by the Village of Hewlett Harbor and the Hamlet of Hewlett. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of East Rockaway has a different border than does the "East Rockaway, NY 11518" postal zone (i.e., a place can have an East Rockaway mailing address and not be in East Rockaway). ..................................................acres .....Village of East Rockaway..........667 .....East Rockaway, NY 11518........752 There are places in East Rockaway with other than an "East Rockaway, NY" mailing address and places with an "East Rockaway" mailing address that are not in East Rockaway. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Suffolk County Cooperative Library web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of East Rockaway (incorporated in 1910) in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/19/04 (5:20:21 PM MST), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Karen Thaler (mymei44@hotmail.com) asked, "Does any one have information about the Bay View Hotel, in East Rockaway? I know it was in operation in 1896 and proprietor was C.W. Wright." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the East Rockaway Public Library: East Rockaway Public Library 477 Atlantic Avenue East Rockaway, NY 11518 Tel: 516/599-1664 Fax: 516/596-0154 eMail: eastrockpl@yahoo.com http://www.nassaulibrary.org/eastrock/ The pertinent geography: The Village of East Rockaway (incorporated in 1910) is in the southern part of the Town of Hempstead, in the southwestern part of Nassau County. There are 36 hamlets (unincorporated areas) and 22 villages all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of East Rockaway in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Village of Lynbrook; on the east by the Village of Rockville Centre and the Hamlet of Oceanside; on the south by the Hamlet of Bay Park and the Village of Hewlett Harbor; and, on the west by the Village of Hewlett Harbor and the Hamlet of Hewlett. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of East Rockaway has a different border than does the "East Rockaway, NY 11518" postal zone (i.e., a place can have an East Rockaway mailing address and not be in East Rockaway). ..................................................acres .....Village of East Rockaway..........667 .....East Rockaway, NY 11518........752 There are places in East Rockaway with other than an "East Rockaway, NY" mailing address and places with an "East Rockaway" mailing address that are not in East Rockaway. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Suffolk County Cooperative Library web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of East Rockaway (incorporated in 1910) in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/18/04 (2:05:19 PM MST), in a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com and NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Alison (aliwallner@comcast.net) asked, "I have an (undated, but probably between 1680 and 1720) reference from the Winthrop records-Plan of the Manner of Groton Hall on Nassaw alias Long Island In ye Province of New Yorke : Wawcoruck or Tarmans Neck under ye Improuement of Abagail Fancy widdow Tenant. (Abigail was the wife of William Fancy/Fanshaw, Jr., who was the son of William Fancy/Fanshaw, one of the original propietors of Setauket.) I found a 1933 reference that says that "Tar-men's" Neck (also called Tar-men's Swamp) is/was in the village of Fireplace. Can anyone please tell me if this is/was the same place as "Wawcoruck". What is the name today?The Introduction to Book A of the Brookhaven Records mentions several Inlets and Necks, but makes no mention of this one. If Tarman's Neck was in Fireplace, would any records of that place be somewhere else besides the Brookhaven Town Records? There is no mention of William and Abigail Fancy/Fanshaw during this period in the Brookhaven records - and I am really really hoping that some other place may have records! Bellport? East Patchoque?" I've passed this question about the location of Tar-men's Neck, Fireplace and Wawcoruck to my source at the Long Island Regional Planning Board (he's a descendent of Robert Coe, on of the founders of the Town of Huntington and the Town of Jamaica, and his wife is a descendent of the 'Bull' Smith of Smithtown fame). If anyone else has some thoughts on this query, please post. Regards, Walter Greenspan

Thank you all for the helpful information. I did not know about the Farm Museum or the Queensborough Library. I re-read my original letter that I sent to the list...I will have to clarify that the Swiss Familys DID NOT own the Estate. They lived and farmed there ,but they rented it. I do believe there must have been some sort of agreement that the owner benifited by the farming arrangement. They were there for almost 20 years farming the land, The only reason they moved was because of the Cross Island Parkway being built thru the middle of the land. Most of our Swiss Relatives who farmed, started by renting the land. Apparently That was the way it was done in the 1900's. The food grown there was sent to Brooklyn Market, to feed the City of New York.. This had been previously done by Horse and wagon and then later by Truck. I don't know if you ever saw the trucks of that time. Hours in travel to the market. Pat Cornelius Long Island, NY Yesteryears@aol.com

I have an (undated, but probably between 1680 and 1720) reference from the Winthrop records-Plan of the Manner of Groton Hall on Nassaw alias Long Island In ye Province of New Yorke : Wawcoruck or Tarmans Neck under ye Improuement of Abagail Fancy widdow Tenant. (Abigail was the wife of William Fancy/Fanshaw, Jr., who was the son of William Fancy/Fanshaw, one of the original propietors of Setauket.) I found a 1933 reference that says that "Tar-men's" Neck (also called Tar-men's Swamp) is/was in the village of Fireplace. Can anyone please tell me if this is/was the same place as "Wawcoruck". What is the name today?The Introduction to Book A of the Brookhaven Records mentions several Inlets and Necks, but makes no mention of this one. If Tarman's Neck was in Fireplace, would any records of that place be somewhere else besides the Brookhaven Town Records? There is no mention of William and Abigail Fancy/Fanshaw during this period in the Brookhaven records - and I am really really hoping that some other place may have records! Bellport? East Patchoque? Thanks! Alison aliwallner@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wallner

On 2/18/04 (11:12:33 AM MST), in a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Pat Ryf (Yesteyears@aol.com) asked, "My Swiss Grandparents, Louis and Theresa RYF, farmed and lived on the old "Mitchell Estate", in Bellrose with their 7 children. They farmed from the 1900's until about 1934. It stood right where Jamacia and Braddock Ave meet. The Estate was sold in 1934 to build the Cross Island Parkway. From there they moved to Elmont and Franklin Square, to farm the land and to truck it to The Area near the Brooklyn Fish Market. I remember my Dad, Louis Ryf Jr, saying that the new Nassau county line came right thru the center of the house, so some of the children were born in Queens and some in Nassau.County...depending on which bedroom they were born in... I was wondering if there were any pictures of this house, as it was so large that another family, The Walters and their children lived there too.?" Unfortunately, the Village of Bellerose is not in a library district, and this there is no immediate library that would concentrate on Village of Bellerose information.. But, the Village Clerk of Village of Bellerose may know if such a picture exists: Village Clerk Village of Bellerose Bellerose Village Hall 50 Superior Road Bellerose (Floral Park P.O.), NY 11001 Tel: 516/354-1000 Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: villageclerk@bellerosevillage.org http://www.bellerosevillage.org/ And, you may want to contact the Queens Borough Public Library, as well: Queens Borough Public Library 89-11 Merrick Boulevard New York (Jamaica P.O.), NY 11432 Tel: 718/990-0700 Fax: 718/???-???? Contact information: http://www.queenslibrary.org/about/gen_info.asp Home page: http://www.queenslibrary.org/ Bellerose is one of those many communities on Long Island where none of the places in Bellerose have a "Bellerose, NY" mailing address. The pertinent geography: Bellerose is a village (incorporated in 1924) in the northwestern part of the Town of Hempstead, in the western part of Nassau County, on the Nassau/Queens border. There are 22 villages and 36 hamlets all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Village of Bellerose in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by New York City (Queens County); on the east and south by the Village of Floral Park; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Bellerose Terrace. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Bellerose has a different border than does the "Bellerose, NY" postal zone, and in this case there is no "Bellerose, NY" postal zone. .......................................acres .....Village of Bellerose..........80 .....Bellerose, NY ?????..... ??? All places in the Village of Bellerose have a "Floral Park, NY 11001" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Bellerose (incorporated in 1924) in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5, 6 & 8 (map) and 7 & 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

My Swiss Grandparents, Louis and Theresa RYF, farmed and lived on the old "Mitchell Estate", in Bellrose with their 7 children. They farmed from the 1900's until about 1934. It stood right where Jamacia and Braddock Ave meet. The Estate was sold in 1934 to build the Cross Island Parkway. From there they moved to Elmont and Franklin Square, to farm the land and to truck it to The Area near the Brooklyn Fish Market. I remember my Dad, Louis Ryf Jr, saying that the new Nassau county line came right thru the center of the house, so some of the children were born in Queens and some in Nassau.County...depending on which bedroom they were born in... I was wondering if there were any pictures of this house, as it was so large that another family, The Walters and their children lived there too.? Thank you for the help. Pat Ryf Long Island, NY

Often there is a local Historical Society and that may be determined by writing to the Bellerose Chamber of Commerce. The CofC is also a good place to ask about older maps of the area. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: [NY-LONGISLAND] Old Mitchell Estate. in Bellrose > > On 2/18/04 (11:12:33 AM MST), in a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, > Pat Ryf (Yesteyears@aol.com) asked, > > "My Swiss Grandparents, Louis and Theresa RYF, farmed and lived on the old > "Mitchell Estate", in Bellrose with their 7 children. They farmed from the > 1900's until about 1934. It stood right where Jamacia and Braddock Ave meet. The > Estate was sold in 1934 to build the Cross Island Parkway. From there they > moved to Elmont and Franklin Square, to farm the land and to truck it to The > Area near the Brooklyn Fish Market. > > I remember my Dad, Louis Ryf Jr, saying that the new Nassau county line came > right thru the center of the house, so some of the children were born in > Queens and some in Nassau.County...depending on which bedroom they were born in... > > I was wondering if there were any pictures of this house, as it was so large > that another family, The Walters and their children lived there too.?" > > > Unfortunately, the Village of Bellerose is not in a library district, and > this there is no immediate library that would concentrate on Village of Bellerose > information.. > > But, the Village Clerk of Village of Bellerose may know if such a picture > exists: > > Village Clerk > Village of Bellerose > Bellerose Village Hall > 50 Superior Road > Bellerose (Floral Park P.O.), NY 11001 > > Tel: 516/354-1000 > Fax: 516/???-???? > > eMail: villageclerk@bellerosevillage.org > > http://www.bellerosevillage.org/ > > > And, you may want to contact the Queens Borough Public Library, as well: > > Queens Borough Public Library > 89-11 Merrick Boulevard > New York (Jamaica P.O.), NY 11432 > > Tel: 718/990-0700 > Fax: 718/???-???? > > Contact information: > http://www.queenslibrary.org/about/gen_info.asp > > Home page: > http://www.queenslibrary.org/ > > > Bellerose is one of those many communities on Long Island where none of the > places in Bellerose have a "Bellerose, NY" mailing address. > > The pertinent geography: > > Bellerose is a village (incorporated in 1924) in the northwestern part of the > Town of Hempstead, in the western part of Nassau County, on the Nassau/Queens > border. There are 22 villages and 36 hamlets all or partly within the Town > of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including > after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, > city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) > > Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Village of > Bellerose in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by New York City > (Queens County); on the east and south by the Village of Floral Park; and, on the > west by the Hamlet of Bellerose Terrace. > > And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, > 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Bellerose has a different border > than does the "Bellerose, NY" postal zone, and in this case there is no > "Bellerose, NY" postal zone. > > .......................................acres > .....Village of Bellerose..........80 > .....Bellerose, NY ?????..... ??? > > All places in the Village of Bellerose have a "Floral Park, NY 11001" mailing > address. > > For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI > Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power > Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access > and download the report), you'll find the Village of Bellerose (incorporated > in 1924) in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5, 6 & 8 (map) and 7 > & 9 (population estimate). > > I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. > > Regards, > > Walter Greenspan > > . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State > > New York State is divided into counties. > > County > A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to > perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided > into cities, towns and Indian reservations. > > City > A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities > are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic > areas. > > Town > A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the > state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be > sub-divided into villages and hamlets. > > Village > A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by > the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with > municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a > city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic > areas. > > Hamlet > A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed > at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which > are informal geographic areas. > > Postal Zone "City" and "Town" > A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by > the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" > may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. > Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet > location. > > > Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of > non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a > different community name in their mailing address than the community where that > place is actually located. > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > * * * IS YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE UP TO DATE?? * * * > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html >

Guess I missed this class that day -- which Bowne is this?? <g> This interests me as I have Bowne lines from way back -- Thank you -- Terri

On 2/17/04 (4:44:31 PM MST), in a posting to the Ancestry Nassau County Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Ron Bicknese (rbicknese@Tnaccess.com) asked, "I'm looking for information on the parents of Henry F. Bicknese 1906-1989, of Hunington Station, New York. His wife was Mildred T. Legler, also Henry's place of birth, and any other information you would like to share." First, Huntington Station is a hamlet in the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County. Second, for questions such as yours, you may want to contact the South Huntington Public Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): South Huntington Public Library 2 Melville Road Huntington Station, NY 11746 Tel: 631/549-4411 Fax: 631/549-6832 eMail: shunlib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://shpl.suffolk.lib.ny.us The pertinent geography: Huntington Station is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the central part of the Town of Huntington, which is in the western part of Suffolk County. There are 4 villages and 15 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Huntington. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Huntington Station in the Town of Huntington is bordered on the north by the Hamlets of Cold Spring Harbor and Huntington; on the east by the Hamlets of Huntington and Greenlawn; on the south by the Hamlets of South Huntington and West Hills; and, on the west by the Hamlets of West Hills and Cold Spring Harbor. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Huntington Station has a different border than does the "Huntington Station, NY 11746" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Huntington Station mailing address and not be in Huntington Station and a place can have other than a Huntington Station mailing address and be in Huntington Station). Those places that have a "Huntington Station, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Huntington Station are in the Hamlet of Huntington, the Hamlet of South Huntington, the Hamlet of Greenlawn and the Hamlet of West Hills; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Huntington Station with a "Dix Hills, NY 11746" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Huntington Station in the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 16 (map) and 17 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

According to today's (Tuesday, February 17, 2004) NEWSDAY, "The oldest house in Queens -- the Bowne House in Flushing -- is hoping to get a new lease on life, although it will take $2.1 million in private and public funds before that happens." NEWSDAY concludes the article with, "New Perspectives on the Bowne House: Archaeological and Architectural Research, 1997-2003" will be on display through Feb. 29 at the Flushing branch of the Queens Borough Public Library, 41-17 Main St. For library hours or more information, call 718-661-1200." For the complete NEWSDAY article, "Shuttered Historic Home", please go to (you may need to copy and paste in parts to place the entire URL in your browser): http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/ny-nabe173674311feb17,0,4734716.story ?coll=ny-news-print I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan

(Please do NOT reply to Nancy. I passed the message along) Hello list, I live in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn. We have an area newspaper called the Bay News. I saw this article and thought that someone out there may be interested. Cadet Midshipman Joseph C. DiCicco. MMR, UUSNR, was detatched from the US Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Point NY for training duty aboard the US freighter American Leader, April 13, 1942. On Sept. 10th 1942 his ship was shelled and sunk by the German raider Michel about 800 miles west of the cape of good hope. The body of Cadet DiCicco was located at the scene and under the direction of of the Michel's Captain, Helmuth von Ruckteschell, a formal funeral was conducted for him prior to the burial at sea. This is the first such event that has been recorded in the brilliant history of the Academy's Cadet corps. Cadet DiCicco was the son of Mrs. Elizabeth DiCicco of east 49th street. Living members of the DiCicco family are sought so that the veterans' documents and other honors maty be delivered to a living relative. readers having any knowledge of a membner of the DiCicco family are asked to contact James Hoffman, Academy Volunteer --Box 27165, San Diego, CA 92198 or call 858-592-9619. There is a picture in the article also, Hope someone is related to this family. Patti

Hi I found this only in 1920 Census: ED 1331 Ward 128 Sheet 12B STRANDMARK, HENRY age 31 S Lodger, B. sweden, parents b. Sweden, Immigrated US 1914, Naturalized 1924 was cabinet maker in factory. Do you know his paretns names??? I'll try to find his marriage. Do you know where he married? Marie K --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online

On 2/14/04 (4:18:12 AM MST), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Elisabeth Thorsell (etgenealogy@mailbox.swipnet.se) asked, "Looking for information on Edwin Strandmark, born 1888 April 27 in Sweden, died in March 1977 in New Hyde Park. Was he married? Did he have children? What was his profession?" For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the New Hyde Park Village Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): New Hyde Park Village Library 1420 Jericho Turnpike New Hyde Park, NY 11040 Tel: 516/354-1413 Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: info@vnhp.org http://www.vnhp.org/library.htm However, please bear in mind that New Hyde Park is one of those communities on Long Island where the majority (8 out of every 10 places) of the places with a New Hyde Park mailing address are not in New Hyde Park. Thus, you may need to seek the assistance of an adjacent library district. The pertinent geography ... New Hyde Park is a village (incorporated in 1927) partly in the southwestern part of the Town of North Hempstead AND partly in the northwestern part of the Town of Hempstead. There are 30 villages and 18 hamlets all or partly in the Town of North Hempstead and there are 22 villages and 36 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of New Hyde Park in the Towns of North Hempstead and Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of North New Hyde Park in the Town of North Hempstead; on the east by the Hamlet of North New Hyde Park and the Hamlet of Garden City Park in the Town of North Hempstead and the Village of Garden City in the Town of Hempstead; on the south by the Village of Garden City, the Village of Stewart Manor and the Village of Floral Park in the Town of Hempstead; and, on the west by the Village of Floral Park in the Towns of North Hempstead and Hempstead. And, like almost every community (except one) in either Nassau or Suffolk Counties, the village and the postal zone that use the same name, have much different borders: ........................................................area ........Village of New Hyde Park.............531 ..............of which ..............part in North Hempstead........292 ..............part in Hempstead.................239 ........New Hyde Park, NY 11040........3,339 .............of which .............part in North Hempstead......3,098 .............part in Hempstead..................241 Thus, about 8 out of every 10 places with a "New Hyde Park, NY 11040" mailing address are NOT in the Village of New Hyde Park. Quickly eyeballing the map overlay of the "11040" postal zip code versus village and hamlet borders, parts of the following 8 communities seem to be within the borders of the New Hyde Park postal zone and hence places in these communities have a "New Hyde Park, NY" mailing address: ....Village of Lake Success, Town of North Hempstead ....Hamlet of Manhasset, Town of North Hempstead ....Village of North Hills, Town of North Hempstead ....Hamlet of Manhasset Hills, Town of North Hempstead ....Hamlet of North New Hyde Park, Town of North Hempstead ....Hamlet of Herricks, Town of North Hempstead ....Hamlet of Garden City Park, Town of North Hempstead ....Village of New Hyde Park, Towns of North Hempstead & Hempstead For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of New Hyde Park (incorporated in 1927) partly in the Town of North Hempstead and partly in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5, 6 & 8 (map) and 7 & 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.